=== robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === WALoeIII_ is now known as WALoeIII [00:34] hi all, i have a question about quotas i wondered if anyone knew anything about. when i run "quotacheck -avugm" I get a warning that the quotafile //aquota.user and //aquota.group was probably truncated. is this ok? [00:36] qwood: I very much doubt it [00:36] Do those files exist? [00:37] :/ hmm. im following a guide. would you like a link to it? the double slash bothers me. [00:37] The only guide you should be following is the Ubuntu Server Guide [00:39] mhm ok. ill look in the man page on quota for any clues and brb [00:43] hmm. i only have moderate knowlegde about linux and no knowledge of quotas. looking in the man i coulldnt find anything (allthough at least i think i understand what the command tried to do.) the files, also, do exist. [00:43] what can i do to troubleshoot this? you mentioned the Ubuntu Server Guide? [00:54] hmm... no idea/ help? :/ if not thats fine. just tell me so i don't waste anyone elses or my own time here... [00:55] by the way the official Server Guide gave me some interesting information, but nothing about quotas. [03:15] :) [03:16] if I have the mean round trip time of X milliseconds for reaching an httpd server installed on ubuntu, and I send a request of about 300 bytes, and get ~7 KB back, how would I use this information to estimate the total time needed for the request if I assume the page generation time on the server to be negligible? only an estimate is needed. [03:20] is it okay to assume that 7KB fit into one TCP packet and the total page request time = rrt ? [03:39] Hi. Every time I reboot my server (not planning on doing that a lot, but still...) I need execute `/etc/init.d/networking restart` before the networking works. Any idea how come, and how to fix? It's a bare install of only a few minutes/hours old [03:39] 9.10, amd64 [03:45] Ok I am new to setting up a server and I have no clue where to start. I am setting up a file server out of my old desktop so I decided to go with Ubuntu Server. [03:45] Scarra3: I would like to know how to do that too, but I doubt it's easy. [03:45] I see. [03:47] One thing is should I use something like Gnome or KDE? [03:47] Scarra3: No. [03:48] (Not necessarily) [03:48] Its more of I have been using ubuntu for 1 1/2 now and well I am not so good at the command line. [03:49] 1.5 what though? [03:50] Huh [03:50] Ow 1 1/2 years [03:51] Perhaps there's something available with a friendly (X? Web?) front end to Samba. It's not something I know about though. [03:51] (we had to configure Samba the hard way) [03:52] Ah well ill just half to learn how to use the command line [03:53] Anyways is it ok if I do run a server off a wireless network. [03:53] Samba is not easy to configure from the command line. [03:53] Scarra3: define "off" [03:54] As in instead of a wired connection to the router but a wireless connection since I am far away from the router [03:54] Scarra3: you can't move the router? [03:54] (or the server?) [03:56] Nope [03:56] Scarra3: it's possible, but not something I'd recommend. [03:56] Well sadly I have no other choice [03:57] Scarra3: that's a shame. [03:58] Yup [03:59] Ya but this is what I am going to be doing. The server is going to be a file server running on the wireless network and to gain access to the server you half to ssh to it. This is what I need help with because I dont know what I need to configure and setup to do this. [04:04] Is that possible? [04:04] Scarra3: Yes, I believe so. [04:05] Wait though, what will the client machines be running as an OS? [04:05] Ill be running a linux based OS [04:05] Which is Ubuntu 9.10 [04:05] just one client? [04:06] Ya its my personal computer [04:06] Im just using it as a personal file server [04:06] That's... wierd. [04:06] But I might try to access it from a windows machine at school [04:07] So linux and windows [04:08] Something I've done on the past is run a VNC server instance on a Linux host and then connected to it (from Linux and Windows machines) using VNC tunnelled through ssh. [04:08] ...so I was running the apps at home (or at the other office), where nothing was blocked. [04:09] Im installing Ubuntu Server 9.10 [04:13] I have to go. Back later. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [05:35] hello jono [05:55] hey ball === rberger_ is now known as rberger [07:38] Hi! [07:39] I've got a UEC setup here on two boxes running lucid. [07:39] It seems to be running, but when I try and download the stock karmic 32-bit image from the image store an error occurs during installation: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/358902/ [07:39] I guess the next step is to either debug this or try to build/upload an image. [07:40] jkakar: yes :) [07:40] * ttx looks into euca2ools known bugs... [07:40] ttx: Cool. :) [07:41] jkakar: uploading an image works, maybe there was a regression in euca2ools as used by the imagestore [07:41] ttx: I wonder if I should be trying to use UEC from source. That might make debugging easier. [07:41] ttx: It could be. [07:43] ttx: Yeah, the same error I pasted is in /var/log/image-store-proxy/image-store-proxy.log and there's a stack trace. [07:44] jkakar: the foolproof lucid procedure is described at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerECluster http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerENode http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerEConfig [07:44] ttx: Ah cool, I didn't know about those, thanks. [07:45] also note that bug 503180 is often blocking us [07:45] Launchpad bug 503180 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cloud doesn't reply to requests" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503180 [07:45] ttx: I've been following the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/PackageInstall [07:45] but you seem to have gone farther [07:45] ah [07:46] Installing packages by hand, you might end up in registration issues, especially since we didn't refresh the karmic instructions [07:46] ttx: Does this help: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/358903/ [07:46] Foolproof way is to use the UEC installer if you can [07:46] yes it does [07:47] The components didn't register [07:47] At least, not fully [07:47] Doing packageinstall you'll have to finalize registration by hand, usually by syncing some keys [07:47] Ah, it looks suspicious. [07:48] I'm running an NFSv3 server (using the kernel implementation). For unimportant reasons, I got told to turn it off Right Now, and ensure it's disabled overnight. [07:48] jkakar: I'd definitely recommend using the UEC installer that does everything for you :) [07:48] ttx: Hmm, it's late here. Tomorrow I'll use the installer and see if I can get further. [07:48] ttx: Thanks for your help. [07:48] I did an /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop and an /etc/init.d/rpcinfo stop. rpcinfo -p fails (good), and /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server status tells me that nfsd is down (good). [07:49] jkakar: if not, then it's a bug :) Alpha2 passed those testcases I point you to :) [07:49] But netstat says that there are still rpc.mountd and rpc.lockd and rpc.quotad services listening. [07:49] Should I be freaking out about that? [07:49] ttx: Sweet. I'll report back about how I go. I'm digging into implementing the cloud topology integration features for landscape-client so I'll probably be pestering you with questions/bug reports about UEC. :) [07:49] I suspect it's just the NFS system trying to have a "clean" hangup with the desktops. [07:49] jkakar: greta :) [07:50] great, even [08:16] Hi, I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 Server into VMware Server 2.0.2 as guest OS. Most is working fine, but I have the problem that the file systems don't unmount cleanly upon reboot. Any hints where I can start searching, please? [08:20] TimoH: what kind of filesystems? [08:20] ext4 on LVM [08:21] Haven't used Linux for a while, so I just went with the defaults during installation... [08:21] Are you triggering the shutdown from within the VM, or are you telling VMware to initiate a shutdown? [08:21] from within the guest (shutdown -r now) [08:24] BTW: Is the console output shown during startup (fsck msgs) logged in a file somewhere? [08:29] TimoH: I don't see why you would get an unclean shutdown in that case [08:29] Have you asked #vmware if this is a known issue? [08:30] I'm just about to reinstall the whole stuff with an older variant of Ubuntu Server than 9.10 is not properly supported on vmware server. 8.04LTS comes to my mind. But even the current 8.04.3 is not oficcialy supported, only 8.04.2 [08:30] Yeah, asked there. No real input yet. [08:31] And there's "experimental" support for 9.04 [08:43] twb: you using netstat -p to get process names? [08:45] cef: -nap, but yes [08:45] twb: grepped for the process names in /etc/init.d and /etc ? [08:46] cef: ah, you're saying I should stop quotarpc and nfs-common? [08:46] twb: that'd be the ones.. [08:46] Thanks. [08:46] (haven't got nfs running here.. just working form first principles) [08:46] np [08:47] Normally I'd just blithely kill -9 stuff to be sure, but because NFS is in the kernel I get scared and don't trust ps and netstat [08:48] fair call too [08:54] hello [08:54] I don't understand ufw [08:54] I've a jabber server and I added a config file in /etc/ufw/application.d [08:54] ploum: welcome to the club [08:55] but, as soon as I enable ufw, I don't have jabber anymore [08:55] I think it just runs iptables-restore --dont-flush on each file in turn [08:55] (Make that --no-flush) [08:56] twb: so it means that old rules are kept ? [08:56] ploum: well, it flushes initially, but I mean when loading each rule file in sequence [08:57] Because otherwise it'd have to actually parse each file and then merge them in order to pass iptables-restore a single file, and I hope ufw doesn't try to be that "clever". [08:59] how to make a fsck on a lvm partition ? [08:59] i have booted my computer using a live usb [09:04] twb: just found out that you have to manually enable the application [09:04] putting a file in /etc/ufw is not enought [09:04] but is it done at each reboot ? [09:06] my syslog is filled with nearly every packet I receive : [09:06] localhost kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1c:c0:29:09:61:00:d [09:06] how can I change that ? [09:07] good morning [09:08] hello [09:09] ploum: that's probably the LOG target. you could (possibly) comment out the rule that sends stuff to the LOG target? [09:10] cef : I don't use iptables directly, only with ufw and psad [09:10] do you believe it's a psad rule ? [09:11] ploum: then check the ufw rules, the config and/or /etc/default/ufw for mention of logging [09:11] New bug: #509528 in tomcat6 (main) "Security manager breaks session listing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509528 [09:16] ttx: morning [09:16] jiboumans: yo [09:16] should we reset the WI tracker today? [09:16] also, good long weekend? [09:17] Yes, good break :) [09:17] jiboumans: I was thinking to reset it on Jan 17 if possible, otherwise yes, today. [09:17] jan 17th is fine; basically the 15th is wrong [09:18] can you ask pitti nicely to get that done? [09:18] jiboumans: I also prepopulated the status field so that we can get quick status ("on track") by looking at the report [09:18] jiboumans: sure, asking now [09:18] ttx: i noticed, good move... need to make sure it stays updated though [09:19] how can I configure iptables log level ? [09:20] ploum: man iptbables shows you the --log-* commands [09:20] ploum: output going to syslog [09:20] how to fsck a lvm partition from live usb ? [09:25] kirkland: what timezone are you in? Central? [09:25] TeTeT: usually, or right now? [09:25] kirkland: right now, hopefully not central! [09:26] kirkland++ # nice job at LCA :) [09:26] TeTeT: normally US Central, right now NZ [09:26] jiboumans: hey ther [09:26] jiboumans: thanks ;-) [09:27] kirkland: nice, enjoy your stay [09:31] TeTeT: cheers, thanks. [09:32] jiboumans: you can't reset on a day, you reset on a number. I set it to start at 150 (on Jan 15), that should be slightly more accurate. [09:49] Hi guys. I'm running Ubuntu Server 8.04 LTS. I _need_ to use PHP 5.2.5 or higher, but LTS seems to be locked to 5.2.4.x. How can I safely upgrade to PHP 5.2.5? [09:49] ttx: that's fine, thanks [09:59] jiboumans: ttx: FWIW, I'm very close to a qemu-kvm upload for Lucid [10:00] jiboumans: ttx: I have packaged the new bios projects, and filed MIRs, one approved, waiting on the other [10:00] jiboumans: ttx: as for the build itself, there's something broken for the mobile's static arm build [10:00] kirkland: ah, I was wondering why we needed those *bios things in main -- so it's new deps for qemu-kvm, I gather [10:00] jiboumans: ttx: lool helped with an initial patch, which he said fixed the build for him [10:01] ttx: yeah, so qemu redid the way the bios blobs are built [10:01] kirkland: good news, that was a mess [10:01] ttx: basically, they were redistributing that source [10:01] ttx: they stopped doing that [10:01] ttx: recommeding that we go and get that, build and package it from the upstream bios projects projects [10:02] ttx: still awaiting approval of the seabios MIR [10:02] ttx: and I need lool to help track down that arm build problem [10:02] ttx: but I hope to have a new kvm in the archive by the end of the week [10:03] ttx: i just added those tasks to the eucalyptus spec; let me know if there's a better place for it [10:03] kirkland: ok for me [10:04] kirkland: works for me [10:07] kirkland: seabios replaces bochsbios? [10:10] soren: it's home page says that it can "run in bochs" [10:10] soren: it provides bios.bin [10:11] soren: ie, seabios provides bios.bin for qemu 0.12 [10:11] kirkland: Ok. [10:11] soren: http://www.coreboot.org/SeaBIOS [10:14] soren: jiboumans: ttx: I also attended a talk today by Sam Vilain, promoting LXC on ubuntu [10:14] kirkland: ah, if you run into him again, tell him i said hi [10:14] kirkland: how was the talk? [10:14] jiboumans: sure thing, will do; thought you might know him from perl [10:14] jiboumans: i enjoyed it; was good to see the Ubuntu server promotion [10:15] kirkland: indeed [10:15] jiboumans: he mentioned that there needed to be a better way of bootstrapping containers; i pointed him to vm-builder and some work soren has planned [10:18] kirkland: he's a bright cookie and quite involved in OSS. perhaps we can get some contributions out of it? [10:19] jiboumans: yeah, would be cool; i'm not sure I quite understand his relationship (if any) with upstream lxc === mike_ is now known as Guest38089 [11:36] hey how can i connect to a wpa wireless network? === Guest38089 is now known as mickster04 [11:38] Does mvo appear in here often? I would like to ask him for some advice on unattended-upgrades.. [11:38] Omahn: He doesn't. [11:39] Omahn: What's the question? [11:39] I was just going to update my debdiff for Lucid unattended-upgrades, it just adds an option to tag email subject lines with [reboot required] if a reboot is indeed required. [11:40] Wanted to check I was doing it in the right way. [11:40] ie, adding option to 50-unattended-upgrades file to enable/disable with default of disable. [11:40] It's worked for us on hardy for months so it's a relatively safe patch IMO :-) [11:40] Omahn: Ah, that sort of question. Just ask him in #ubuntu-devel. [11:41] soren: No problem, thanks. [11:52] kirkland: qemu-kvm > I want to look into this, but didn't have time yet [11:53] qemu tip built fine for me with the patch though [11:53] Probably just another patch which is missing [12:10] kirkland: Ah it only failed to build on i386 -- it did build on amd64, and I'm using amd64 [12:21] Erg leuke dag gehad gisteren *zucht* [12:21] Err, oops. [12:21] Wrong channel :( [12:27] New bug: #509600 in libslf4j-java (main) "sync request (testing -> lucid/main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509600 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [12:41] New bug: #509607 in samba (main) "samba don't start on boot with Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509607 [13:09] what is a good syslogd for ubuntu? [13:09] ("syslog" client doesn't seem to exist, I am lost) [13:16] j416: ubuntu uses rsyslog as logging framework since 9.10 [13:17] pmatulis: ok! Any idea how I view its logs? [13:17] I managed to start rsyslogd [13:17] do I have to view its log file(s) manually or is there a utility? [13:19] j416: logs are just files, so just read the various files (under /var/log) [13:19] ok. [13:19] (I'm used to running the "syslog" client from anywhere) [13:20] j416: use 'tail -f /var/log/whatever' to view new messages being appended [13:20] pmatulis: yes, I am aware, thanks. Just thought there might be a log viewer app :) [13:20] j416: no idea what you mean by your last comment [13:20] j416: (syslog client from anywhere) [13:20] maybe it's an apple thing [13:21] pmatulis: http://developer.apple.com/Mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/syslog.1.html [13:21] apparently. [13:22] thank you for your help! [13:22] j416: ok, keep on truckin' [13:23] :) [13:37] Where can I find the log after a crash (crash of the whole server that needed reboot) [13:39] alvin: did you enable apport in /etc/default/apport? [13:40] I don't seem to have the "host" program to look up dns info. How do I find which package it is in? [13:40] sorry if this is a stupid question... [13:40] pmatulis: I didn't know about that. It's probably what I'm looking for [13:41] j416: 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search /usr/bin/host' [13:41] pmatulis: ok, I enabled it and started apport. Now I just wait for a crash? Where will I know what happened now? [13:41] alvin: under /var/crash [13:41] apt-file? [13:41] ah [13:42] hm [13:42] pmatulis: Thank you. I'll just wait for the next crash than. Doesn't happen every day. [13:42] s/than/then [13:42] pmatulis: neat thing. thank you! [13:43] j416: for an installed package you can do: 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/host' [13:44] pmatulis: good to know! thank you [13:44] bind9-host was the package, installed and working now. Cool. [13:59] why does -server by default boot in runlevel 2? [14:05] <_ruben> are runlevels even used these days? [14:06] !runlevels [14:06] In Ubuntu all runlevels except 0,1 and 6 are by default equal. Also keep in mind that Ubuntu now uses !Upstart instead of System V init so there is normally no /etc/inittab. [14:07] !upstart [14:07] Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model. For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ [14:08] tnx Pici [14:08] yw [14:12] good morning all. [14:14] smoser: yo [14:17] Pici, care helping out here for a sec? I am on9.10 server edition, and need to run /etc/init.d/networking restart before my networking becomes available. How would I fix that through upstart? (I should have a /etc/event? Well, I dont...) [14:21] Freeaqingme: Er.. I'm not sure how to change the ordering, but networking is what brings up your network, why would you restart it? [14:22] Pici, cause for some reason I cannot use my NIC's until I run that command (after rebooting) [14:40] ttx: ping [14:40] zul: pong [14:40] ttx: for the eucalyptus apport hook what is missing or what else would you like to see there? [14:41] ttx: i ask since I dont do eucalyptus [14:43] can't think of anything right now [14:44] zul: ideally some topology info [14:44] zul: but I don't see any easy way to get to that information [14:44] maybe ask the user? [14:44] ttx: aren't we getting a topology api in 10.04? [14:44] hmm, right [14:45] nijaba: yes, but I didn't see anything landed yet [14:45] ttx: you would now better than me [14:45] know even [14:45] nijaba: received my private cloud box yesterday, btw [14:46] ttx: zul did too [14:46] ttx: do you like it? [14:46] zul: asking the user to describe his cloud network topology might be the best move right now [14:46] it looks professional [14:46] ttx: ack [14:46] nijaba: sure, looks slick [14:46] Glad you like it [14:47] zul: wes hould have better ideas after we do the Big Eucalyptus Bug Scrub [14:47] gotcha [14:47] (when Dustin comes back from upside-world) [14:48] anyone have experience running squid in the cloud? [14:50] !anyone [14:50] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [14:51] epinky, ty bro [14:52] unfortunately squid is very picky in a virtual environment epinky, and i was hoping someone would already know the pitfalls before i get started [14:59] smoser: so you plan a karmic cloud image update this week to fix bug 494185 ? [14:59] Launchpad bug 494185 in ec2-init "ec2-init selects us-east-1 mirror when running in us-west-1 region" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494185 [15:00] i just did a test. i was looking at SRU path from here. (it is currently in proposed) [15:01] smoser: The SRU needs to be validated (tagged verification-done) [15:01] Does the frontend server in a UEC do any processing? I am asking because I need to know if I should put in a really good server for the front end or let one of the cheaper servers run the front end [15:01] ok. [15:02] smoser: then it will be picked up by the SRU team and copied to updates [15:02] i'm going to go ahead and do one more final test of it. bu tthen will do that. [15:02] New bug: #509667 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "mysql-server 5.1 not starting after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509667 [15:02] smoser: it's not affecting anything else but the not-created-yet cloud image updates [15:03] ? [15:04] smoser: can it have any bad effects on existing users ? [15:05] smoser: or does it just affect the soon-to-be-created karmic cloud image [15:05] soon-to-be-created [15:05] ok [15:05] if you did an upgrade and got the new version, it would not re-write your sources.list === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [15:26] zul: why didn't you just sync openbsd-inetd ? [15:27] kees: i should have [15:27] in hindsight [15:27] heh [15:27] Anybody know of some good tools to convert XHTML to PDF? I need one that will know how to read CSS 2 [15:27] I've found lots of converters, but none so far that deal with css2 and above correctly [15:31] kpettit: depends what your doing, if firefox is an option, then you could try http://www.abeel.be/content/command-line-printing-firefox [15:31] zul: something when wrong in the mysql-5.1 merge: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/509667 [15:31] Launchpad bug 509667 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "mysql-server 5.1 not starting after upgrade" [Undecided,New] [15:31] I would also like a html+css-->pdf solution that doesn't involve firefox.. [15:31] mathiaz: yeah i saw ill have a look [15:32] nijaba: private cloud box - is this the package I'm supposed to receive? [15:32] mathiaz: only if you're leet [15:33] screen-x, ohhh that sounds perfect. [15:34] If I can figure out how to mess with the headers and footers of the PDF that would be perfect [15:34] ttx: well - I've been woken up by the delivery guy on Friday *and* Monday because of this! [15:34] ttx: it better be some cool stuff! [15:35] mathiaz: you got two? you are very elite then ;) [15:35] screen-x, at this point I'll take what I can get. It sucks CSS is so poorly supported in the PDF tools out there [15:35] zul: no! I didn't get any - I was *woken* up - I decided to not bother opening the door [15:35] heh [15:36] kpettit: yeah, I'm not sure how configurable firefox's output is, may have to post-process the output with something else. [15:37] fun fun fun. I love doing docs and such in XHTML, but making that work well in the print world sucks [15:40] screen-x: My friend uses this: http://www.princexml.com/overview/ There are Ubuntu versions available on their download page [15:40] Freeaqingme: Did you find a solution? [15:40] genii, I was actually looking at that a few minutes ago, but I think the license was very very step. [15:41] Expensive I mean [15:41] 3800 for server license [15:41] genii: $3800 for a license to use it on a webserver! [15:41] too slow.. [15:42] I can see 500 if it works, but not 4k. Some of these guys price themselves way out of the game for any normal company to use them [15:46] Well, she uses the non-commercial version. I didn't bother looking into the other licensing available. $3800 is pretty darn steep [15:47] hello jono [15:49] hey [15:50] alvin, not really [15:51] genii: what costs $3,800 ? [15:52] ball: An XML/XHTML to PDF converter program [15:52] mathiaz: where are the eucalyptus test scripts available right now ? [15:52] genii: That sounds a bit steep. [15:53] ttx: https://code.launchpad.net/~eucalyptus-maintainers/eucalyptus-devel/eucalyptus-ubuntu-tests [15:53] ttx: ^^ this upstream tests [15:54] ttx: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/eucalyptus-devel/tests-for-uec-images [15:54] ttx: ^^ this is a script I wrote up [15:54] ball: Yes, I agree. They do have a free non-commercial license, but looks like thats only for personal desktop usage, etc [15:54] mathiaz: and you've been integrating the upstreal tests directly, right [15:54] ttx: my version is an rewrite of upstream tests [15:54] ttx: they're doing the same thing [15:55] ttx: my goal was to make the tests more flexible [15:55] ttx: and more extensible [15:56] mathiaz: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/eucalyptus-devel/tests-for-uec-images appears empty to me [15:56] Freeaqingme: After you boot, there is no network? (ifconfig) Or are there certain services not available? [15:56] mathiaz: your version lives there ^ [15:56] ? [15:57] alvin, I just have no connectivity. ifconfig tells me the nics do have an ip [15:57] ttx: hm my bad wrong url - https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/+junk/uec-testing-scripts [15:57] i however can't ping anything [15:58] mathiaz: ok, thanks [16:01] ttx: what are we suppose to put under status in the whiteboard? [16:01] zul: "On track" [16:01] ok [16:04] ttx: so far, which version of likewise are we likely to get in 10.04? [16:04] 5.4 [16:04] It's in already. [16:05] ttx: ok, thanks a lot [16:05] Freeaqingme: What happens if you 'wait' a bit after you see the boot prompt. Does the network comu up by itself eventually? [16:06] alvin, I've waited over 10 mins several times, seems like long enough? [16:06] Is that Likewise Open thing also useable as server? Or can it only connect to Windows domains? [16:07] Freeaqingme: I also noticed the network comes up slower now, but your service probably crashes somewhere during boot. [16:07] alvin, I'm completely new to the startup thingy that was introduced with karmic, is there any way I can reproduce it after booting? [16:08] Freeaqingme: I think you'll have to wait for bug #328881 to be solved to know for sure. [16:08] Launchpad bug 328881 in upstart "init: support logging of job output" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328881 [16:09] No, that wasn't nice of me. (I love that bug). There must be a way. Let me think. [16:09] :P [16:09] I dont know c, so I'm not going to fix upstart myself, jfyi ;) [16:10] hi, has anyone got a link to info on what differences there are in the server kernel and generic kernel? [16:11] Fewer owls? [16:15] Freeaqingme: Are you using Network-Manager? [16:16] Not that I know of. I installed ubuntu server, with only the openssh-server installed [16:16] hmm, what's interesting is that when I remove the other nic entries from my interfaces file (leaving eth0 and lo), it does work [16:16] while I'm 100% confident there's no parsing errors in the entries of eth1 or eth2 [16:17] screw NetworkManager, can't handle multiple NICs properly [16:17] New bug: #509705 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1. Mysql did not stop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509705 [16:17] which is cool, since i'm used to /etc/network/interfaces [16:18] atomic__, as said, I'm not using networkmanager (unless it's installed by default on the server stuff?) [16:18] but then, udev starts randomly renaming my NICs upon each reboot [16:18] it's not installed on server [16:18] im talking about my desktop at home which runs 9.10 [16:19] atomic__, that's a known bug in udev with some nic's who randomly change their UUID. Can be stopped by using wildcards in the id's udev uses [16:19] Freeaqingme: You will probably not use NM then. Maybe your bug is bug #497299 ? [16:19]