[00:34] <qwood> hi all, i have a question about quotas i wondered if anyone knew anything about. when i run "quotacheck -avugm" I get a warning that the quotafile //aquota.user and //aquota.group was probably truncated. is this ok?
[00:36] <twb> qwood: I very much doubt it
[00:36] <twb> Do those files exist?
[00:37] <qwood> :/ hmm. im following a guide. would you like a link to it? the double slash bothers me.
[00:37] <twb> The only guide you should be following is the Ubuntu Server Guide
[00:39] <qwood> mhm ok. ill look in the man page on quota for any clues and brb
[00:43] <qwood> hmm. i only have moderate knowlegde about linux and no knowledge of quotas. looking in the man i coulldnt find anything (allthough at least i think i understand what the command tried to do.) the files, also, do exist.
[00:43] <qwood> what can i do to troubleshoot this? you mentioned the Ubuntu Server Guide?
[00:54] <qwood> hmm... no idea/ help? :/ if not thats fine. just tell me so i don't waste anyone elses or my own time here...
[00:55] <qwood> by the way the official Server Guide gave me some interesting information, but nothing about quotas.
[03:15] <Pici> :)
[03:16] <Lars2011> if I have the mean round trip time of X milliseconds for reaching an httpd server installed on ubuntu, and I send a request of about 300 bytes, and get ~7 KB back, how would I use this information to estimate the total time needed for the request if I assume the page generation time on the server to be negligible? only an estimate is needed.
[03:20] <Lars2011> is it okay to assume that 7KB fit into one TCP packet and the total page request time = rrt ?
[03:39] <Freeaqingme> Hi. Every time I reboot my server (not planning on doing that a lot, but still...) I need execute `/etc/init.d/networking restart` before the networking works. Any idea how come, and how to fix? It's a bare install of only a few minutes/hours old
[03:39] <Freeaqingme> 9.10, amd64
[03:45] <Scarra3> Ok I am new to setting up a server and I have no clue where to start.  I am setting up a file server out of my old desktop so I decided to go with Ubuntu Server.
[03:45] <ball> Scarra3: I would like to know how to do that too, but I doubt it's easy.
[03:45] <Scarra3> I see.
[03:47] <Scarra3> One thing is should I use something like Gnome or KDE?
[03:47] <ball> Scarra3: No.
[03:48] <ball> (Not necessarily)
[03:48] <Scarra3> Its more of I have been using ubuntu for 1 1/2 now and well I am not so good at the command line.
[03:49] <ball> 1.5 what though?
[03:50] <Scarra3> Huh
[03:50] <Scarra3> Ow 1 1/2 years
[03:51] <ball> Perhaps there's something available with a friendly (X? Web?) front end to Samba.  It's not something I know about though.
[03:51] <ball> (we had to configure Samba the hard way)
[03:52] <Scarra3> Ah well ill just half to learn how to use the command line
[03:53] <Scarra3> Anyways is it ok if I do run a server off a wireless network.
[03:53] <ball> Samba is not easy to configure from the command line.
[03:53] <ball> Scarra3: define "off"
[03:54] <Scarra3> As in instead of a wired connection to the router but a wireless connection since I am far away from the router
[03:54] <ball> Scarra3: you can't move the router?
[03:54] <ball> (or the server?)
[03:56] <Scarra3> Nope
[03:56] <ball> Scarra3: it's possible, but not something I'd recommend.
[03:56] <Scarra3> Well sadly I have no other choice
[03:57] <ball> Scarra3: that's a shame.
[03:58] <Scarra3> Yup
[03:59] <Scarra3> Ya but this is what I am going to be doing.  The server is going to be a file server running on the wireless network and to gain access to the server you half to ssh to it.  This is what I need help with because I dont know what I need to configure and setup to do this.
[04:04] <Scarra3> Is that possible?
[04:04] <ball> Scarra3: Yes, I believe so.
[04:05] <ball> Wait though, what will the client machines be running as an OS?
[04:05] <Scarra3> Ill be running a linux based OS
[04:05] <Scarra3> Which is Ubuntu 9.10
[04:05] <ball> just one client?
[04:06] <Scarra3> Ya its my personal computer
[04:06] <Scarra3> Im just using it as a personal file server
[04:06] <ball> That's... wierd.
[04:06] <Scarra3> But I might try to access it from a windows machine at school
[04:07] <Scarra3> So linux and windows
[04:08] <ball> Something I've done on the past is run a VNC server instance on a Linux host and then connected to it (from Linux and Windows machines) using VNC tunnelled through ssh.
[04:08] <ball> ...so I was running the apps at home (or at the other office), where nothing was blocked.
[04:09] <Scarra3> Im installing Ubuntu Server 9.10
[04:13] <ball> I have to go.  Back later.
[05:35] <ball> hello jono
[05:55] <jono> hey ball
[07:38] <jkakar> Hi!
[07:39] <jkakar> I've got a UEC setup here on two boxes running lucid.
[07:39] <jkakar> It seems to be running, but when I try and download the stock karmic 32-bit image from the image store an error occurs during installation: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/358902/
[07:39] <jkakar> I guess the next step is to either debug this or try to build/upload an image.
[07:40] <ttx> jkakar: yes :)
[07:40]  * ttx looks into euca2ools known bugs...
[07:40] <jkakar> ttx: Cool. :)
[07:41] <ttx> jkakar: uploading an image works, maybe there was a regression in euca2ools as used by the imagestore
[07:41] <jkakar> ttx: I wonder if I should be trying to use UEC from source.  That might make debugging easier.
[07:41] <jkakar> ttx: It could be.
[07:43] <jkakar> ttx: Yeah, the same error I pasted is in /var/log/image-store-proxy/image-store-proxy.log and there's a stack trace.
[07:44] <ttx> jkakar: the foolproof lucid procedure is described at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerECluster http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerENode http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerEConfig
[07:44] <jkakar> ttx: Ah cool, I didn't know about those, thanks.
[07:45] <ttx> also note that bug 503180 is often blocking us
[07:45] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 503180 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cloud doesn't reply to requests" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503180
[07:45] <jkakar> ttx: I've been following the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/PackageInstall
[07:45] <ttx> but you seem to have gone farther
[07:45] <ttx> ah
[07:46] <ttx> Installing packages by hand, you might end up in registration issues, especially since we didn't refresh the karmic instructions
[07:46] <jkakar> ttx: Does this help: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/358903/
[07:46] <ttx> Foolproof way is to use the UEC installer if you can
[07:46] <ttx> yes it does
[07:47] <ttx> The components didn't register
[07:47] <ttx> At least, not fully
[07:47] <ttx> Doing packageinstall you'll have to finalize registration by hand, usually by syncing some keys
[07:47] <jkakar> Ah, it looks suspicious.
[07:48] <twb> I'm running an NFSv3 server (using the kernel implementation).  For unimportant reasons, I got told to turn it off Right Now, and ensure it's disabled overnight.
[07:48] <ttx> jkakar: I'd definitely recommend using the UEC installer that does everything for you :)
[07:48] <jkakar> ttx: Hmm, it's late here.  Tomorrow I'll use the installer and see if I can get further.
[07:48] <jkakar> ttx: Thanks for your help.
[07:48] <twb> I did an /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop and an /etc/init.d/rpcinfo stop.  rpcinfo -p fails (good), and /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server status tells me that nfsd is down (good).
[07:49] <ttx> jkakar: if not, then it's a bug :) Alpha2 passed those testcases I point you to :)
[07:49] <twb> But netstat says that there are still rpc.mountd and rpc.lockd and rpc.quotad services listening.
[07:49] <twb> Should I be freaking out about that?
[07:49] <jkakar> ttx: Sweet.  I'll report back about how I go.  I'm digging into implementing the cloud topology integration features for landscape-client so I'll probably be pestering you with questions/bug reports about UEC. :)
[07:49] <twb> I suspect it's just the NFS system trying to have a "clean" hangup with the desktops.
[07:49] <ttx> jkakar: greta :)
[07:50] <ttx> great, even
[08:16] <TimoH> Hi, I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 Server into VMware Server 2.0.2 as guest OS. Most is working fine, but I have the problem that the file systems don't unmount cleanly upon reboot. Any hints where I can start searching, please?
[08:20] <twb> TimoH: what kind of filesystems?
[08:20] <TimoH> ext4 on LVM
[08:21] <TimoH> Haven't used Linux for a while, so I just went with the defaults during installation...
[08:21] <twb> Are you triggering the shutdown from within the VM, or are you telling VMware to initiate a shutdown?
[08:21] <TimoH> from within the guest (shutdown -r now)
[08:24] <TimoH> BTW: Is the console output shown during startup (fsck msgs) logged in a file somewhere?
[08:29] <twb> TimoH: I don't see why you would get an unclean shutdown in that case
[08:29] <twb> Have you asked #vmware if this is a known issue?
[08:30] <TimoH> I'm just about to reinstall the whole stuff with an older variant of Ubuntu Server than 9.10 is not properly supported on vmware server. 8.04LTS comes to my mind. But even the current 8.04.3 is not oficcialy supported, only 8.04.2
[08:30] <TimoH> Yeah, asked there. No real input yet.
[08:31] <TimoH> And there's "experimental" support for 9.04
[08:43] <cef> twb: you using netstat -p to get process names?
[08:45] <twb> cef: -nap, but yes
[08:45] <cef> twb: grepped for the process names in /etc/init.d and /etc ?
[08:46] <twb> cef: ah, you're saying I should stop quotarpc and nfs-common?
[08:46] <cef> twb: that'd be the ones..
[08:46] <twb> Thanks.
[08:46] <cef> (haven't got nfs running here.. just working form first principles)
[08:46] <cef> np
[08:47] <twb> Normally I'd just blithely kill -9 stuff to be sure, but because NFS is in the kernel I get scared and don't trust ps and netstat
[08:48] <cef> fair call too
[08:54] <ploum> hello
[08:54] <ploum> I don't understand ufw
[08:54] <ploum> I've a jabber server and I added a config file in /etc/ufw/application.d
[08:54] <twb> ploum: welcome to the club
[08:55] <ploum> but, as soon as I enable ufw, I don't have jabber anymore
[08:55] <twb> I think it just runs iptables-restore --dont-flush on each file in turn
[08:55] <twb> (Make that --no-flush)
[08:56] <ploum> twb: so it means that old rules are kept ?
[08:56] <twb> ploum: well, it flushes initially, but I mean when loading each rule file in sequence
[08:57] <twb> Because otherwise it'd have to actually parse each file and then merge them in order to pass iptables-restore a single file, and I hope ufw doesn't try to be that "clever".
[08:59] <maxagaz> how to make a fsck on a lvm partition ?
[08:59] <maxagaz> i have booted my computer using a live usb
[09:04] <ploum> twb: just found out that you have to manually enable the application
[09:04] <ploum> putting a file in /etc/ufw is not enought
[09:04] <ploum> but is it done at each reboot ?
[09:06] <ploum> my syslog is filled with nearly every packet I receive :
[09:06] <ploum> localhost kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1c:c0:29:09:61:00:d
[09:06] <ploum> how can I change that ?
[09:07] <jiboumans> good morning
[09:08] <ploum> hello
[09:09] <cef> ploum: that's probably the LOG target. you could (possibly) comment out the rule that sends stuff to the LOG target?
[09:10] <ploum> cef : I don't use iptables directly, only with ufw and psad
[09:10] <ploum> do you believe it's a psad rule ?
[09:11] <cef> ploum: then check the ufw rules, the config and/or /etc/default/ufw for mention of logging
[09:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #509528 in tomcat6 (main) "Security manager breaks session listing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509528
[09:16] <jiboumans> ttx: morning
[09:16] <ttx> jiboumans: yo
[09:16] <jiboumans> should we reset the WI tracker today?
[09:16] <jiboumans> also, good long weekend?
[09:17] <ttx> Yes, good break :)
[09:17] <ttx> jiboumans: I was thinking to reset it on Jan 17 if possible, otherwise yes, today.
[09:17] <jiboumans> jan 17th is fine; basically the 15th is wrong
[09:18] <jiboumans> can you ask pitti nicely to get that done?
[09:18] <ttx> jiboumans: I also prepopulated the status field so that we can get quick status ("on track") by looking at the report
[09:18] <ttx> jiboumans: sure, asking now
[09:18] <jiboumans> ttx: i noticed, good move... need to make sure it stays updated though
[09:19] <ploum> how can I configure iptables log level ?
[09:20] <jiboumans> ploum: man iptbables shows you the --log-* commands
[09:20] <jiboumans> ploum: output going to syslog
[09:20] <maxagaz> how to fsck a lvm partition from live usb ?
[09:25] <TeTeT> kirkland: what timezone are you in? Central?
[09:25] <kirkland> TeTeT: usually, or right now?
[09:25] <TeTeT> kirkland: right now, hopefully not central!
[09:26] <jiboumans> kirkland++ # nice job at LCA :)
[09:26] <kirkland> TeTeT: normally US Central, right now NZ
[09:26] <kirkland> jiboumans: hey ther
[09:26] <kirkland> jiboumans: thanks ;-)
[09:27] <TeTeT> kirkland: nice, enjoy your stay
[09:31] <kirkland> TeTeT: cheers, thanks.
[09:32] <ttx> jiboumans: you can't reset on a day, you reset on a number. I set it to start at 150 (on Jan 15), that should be slightly more accurate.
[09:49] <psteyn> Hi guys.  I'm running Ubuntu Server 8.04 LTS.  I _need_ to use PHP 5.2.5 or higher, but LTS seems to be locked to 5.2.4.x.  How can I safely upgrade to PHP 5.2.5?
[09:49] <jiboumans> ttx: that's fine, thanks
[09:59] <kirkland> jiboumans: ttx: FWIW, I'm very close to a qemu-kvm upload for Lucid
[10:00] <kirkland> jiboumans: ttx: I have packaged the new bios projects, and filed MIRs, one approved, waiting on the other
[10:00] <kirkland> jiboumans: ttx: as for the build itself, there's something broken for the mobile's static arm build
[10:00] <ttx> kirkland: ah, I was wondering why we needed those *bios things in main -- so it's new deps for qemu-kvm, I gather
[10:00] <kirkland> jiboumans: ttx: lool helped with an initial patch, which he said fixed the build for him
[10:01] <kirkland> ttx: yeah, so qemu redid the way the bios blobs are built
[10:01] <ttx> kirkland: good news, that was a mess
[10:01] <kirkland> ttx: basically, they were redistributing that source
[10:01] <kirkland> ttx: they stopped doing that
[10:01] <kirkland> ttx: recommeding that we go and get that, build and package it from the upstream bios projects projects
[10:02] <kirkland> ttx: still awaiting approval of the seabios MIR
[10:02] <kirkland> ttx: and I need lool to help track down that arm build problem
[10:02] <kirkland> ttx: but I hope to have a new kvm in the archive by the end of the week
[10:03] <kirkland> ttx: i just added those tasks to the eucalyptus spec;  let me know if there's a better place for it
[10:03] <ttx> kirkland: ok for me
[10:04] <jiboumans> kirkland: works for me
[10:07] <soren> kirkland: seabios replaces bochsbios?
[10:10] <kirkland> soren: it's home page says that it can "run in bochs"
[10:10] <kirkland> soren: it provides bios.bin
[10:11] <kirkland> soren: ie, seabios provides bios.bin for qemu 0.12
[10:11] <soren> kirkland: Ok.
[10:11] <kirkland> soren: http://www.coreboot.org/SeaBIOS
[10:14] <kirkland> soren: jiboumans: ttx: I also attended a talk today by Sam Vilain, promoting LXC on ubuntu
[10:14] <jiboumans> kirkland: ah, if you run into him again, tell him i said hi
[10:14] <jiboumans> kirkland: how was the talk?
[10:14] <kirkland> jiboumans: sure thing, will do; thought you might know him from perl
[10:14] <kirkland> jiboumans: i enjoyed it; was good to see the Ubuntu server promotion
[10:15] <jiboumans> kirkland: indeed
[10:15] <kirkland> jiboumans: he mentioned that there needed to be a better way of bootstrapping containers; i pointed him to vm-builder and some work soren has planned
[10:18] <jiboumans> kirkland: he's a bright cookie and quite involved in OSS. perhaps we can get some contributions out of it?
[10:19] <kirkland> jiboumans: yeah, would be cool; i'm not sure I quite understand his relationship (if any) with upstream lxc
[11:36] <Guest38089> hey how can i connect to a wpa wireless network?
[11:38] <Omahn> Does mvo appear in here often? I would like to ask him for some advice on unattended-upgrades..
[11:38] <soren> Omahn: He doesn't.
[11:39] <soren> Omahn: What's the question?
[11:39] <Omahn> I was just going to update my debdiff for Lucid unattended-upgrades, it just adds an option to tag email subject lines with [reboot required] if a reboot is indeed required.
[11:40] <Omahn> Wanted to check I was doing it in the right way.
[11:40] <Omahn> ie, adding option to 50-unattended-upgrades file to enable/disable with default of disable.
[11:40] <Omahn> It's worked for us on hardy for months so it's a relatively safe patch IMO :-)
[11:40] <soren> Omahn: Ah, that sort of question. Just ask him in #ubuntu-devel.
[11:41] <Omahn> soren: No problem, thanks.
[11:52] <lool> kirkland: qemu-kvm > I want to look into this, but didn't have time yet
[11:53] <lool> qemu tip built fine for me with the patch though
[11:53] <lool> Probably just another patch which is missing
[12:10] <lool> kirkland: Ah it only failed to build on i386 -- it did build on amd64, and I'm using amd64
[12:21] <niekie> Erg leuke dag gehad gisteren *zucht*
[12:21] <niekie> Err, oops.
[12:21] <niekie> Wrong channel :(
[12:27] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #509600 in libslf4j-java (main) "sync request (testing -> lucid/main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509600
[12:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #509607 in samba (main) "samba don't start on boot with Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509607
[13:09] <j416> what is a good syslogd for ubuntu?
[13:09] <j416> ("syslog" client doesn't seem to exist, I am lost)
[13:16] <pmatulis> j416: ubuntu uses rsyslog as logging framework since 9.10
[13:17] <j416> pmatulis: ok! Any idea how I view its logs?
[13:17] <j416> I managed to start rsyslogd
[13:17] <j416> do I have to view its log file(s) manually or is there a utility?
[13:19] <pmatulis> j416: logs are just files, so just read the various files (under /var/log)
[13:19] <j416> ok.
[13:19] <j416> (I'm used to running the "syslog" client from anywhere)
[13:20] <pmatulis> j416: use 'tail -f /var/log/whatever' to view new messages being appended
[13:20] <j416> pmatulis: yes, I am aware, thanks. Just thought there might be a log viewer app :)
[13:20] <pmatulis> j416: no idea what you mean by your last comment
[13:20] <pmatulis> j416: (syslog client from anywhere)
[13:20] <j416> maybe it's an apple thing
[13:21] <j416> pmatulis: http://developer.apple.com/Mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/syslog.1.html
[13:21] <j416> apparently.
[13:22] <j416> thank you for your help!
[13:22] <pmatulis> j416: ok, keep on truckin'
[13:23] <j416> :)
[13:37] <alvin> Where can I find the log after a crash (crash of the whole server that needed reboot)
[13:39] <pmatulis> alvin: did you enable apport in /etc/default/apport?
[13:40] <j416> I don't seem to have the "host" program to look up dns info. How do I find which package it is in?
[13:40] <j416> sorry if this is a stupid question...
[13:40] <alvin> pmatulis: I didn't know about that. It's probably what I'm looking for
[13:41] <pmatulis> j416: 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search /usr/bin/host'
[13:41] <alvin> pmatulis: ok, I enabled it and started apport. Now I just wait for a crash? Where will I know what happened now?
[13:41] <pmatulis> alvin: under /var/crash
[13:41] <j416> apt-file?
[13:41] <j416> ah
[13:42] <j416> hm
[13:42] <alvin> pmatulis: Thank you. I'll just wait for the next crash than. Doesn't happen every day.
[13:42] <alvin> s/than/then
[13:42] <j416> pmatulis: neat thing. thank you!
[13:43] <pmatulis> j416: for an installed package you can do: 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/host'
[13:44] <j416> pmatulis: good to know! thank you
[13:44] <j416> bind9-host was the package, installed and working now. Cool.
[13:59] <Freeaqingme> why does -server by default boot in runlevel 2?
[14:05] <_ruben> are runlevels even used these days?
[14:06] <Pici> !runlevels
[14:07] <Freeaqingme> !upstart
[14:08] <Freeaqingme> tnx Pici
[14:08] <Pici> yw
[14:12] <smoser> good morning all.
[14:14] <ttx> smoser: yo
[14:17] <Freeaqingme> Pici, care helping out here for a sec? I am on9.10 server edition, and need to run /etc/init.d/networking restart before my networking becomes available. How would I fix that through upstart? (I should have a /etc/event? Well, I dont...)
[14:21] <Pici> Freeaqingme: Er.. I'm not sure how to change the ordering, but networking is what brings up your network, why would you restart it?
[14:22] <Freeaqingme> Pici, cause for some reason I cannot use my NIC's until I run that command (after rebooting)
[14:40] <zul> ttx: ping
[14:40] <ttx> zul: pong
[14:40] <zul> ttx: for the eucalyptus apport hook what is missing or what else would you like to see there?
[14:41] <zul> ttx: i ask since I dont do eucalyptus
[14:43] <ttx> can't think of anything right now
[14:44] <ttx> zul: ideally some topology info
[14:44] <ttx> zul: but I don't see any easy way to get to that information
[14:44] <zul> maybe ask the user?
[14:44] <nijaba> ttx: aren't we getting a topology api in 10.04?
[14:44] <ttx> hmm, right
[14:45] <ttx> nijaba: yes, but I didn't see anything landed yet
[14:45] <nijaba> ttx: you would now better than me
[14:45] <nijaba> know even
[14:45] <ttx> nijaba: received my private cloud box yesterday, btw
[14:46] <nijaba> ttx: zul did too
[14:46] <nijaba> ttx: do you like it?
[14:46] <ttx> zul: asking the user to describe his cloud network topology might be the best move right now
[14:46] <zul> it looks professional
[14:46] <zul> ttx: ack
[14:46] <ttx> nijaba: sure, looks slick
[14:46] <nijaba> Glad you like it
[14:47] <ttx> zul: wes hould have better ideas after we do the Big Eucalyptus Bug Scrub
[14:47] <zul> gotcha
[14:47] <ttx> (when Dustin comes back from upside-world)
[14:48] <bogeyd6> anyone have experience running squid in the cloud?
[14:50] <epinky> !anyone
[14:51] <bogeyd6> epinky, ty bro
[14:52] <bogeyd6> unfortunately squid is very picky in a virtual environment epinky, and i was hoping someone would already know the pitfalls before i get started
[14:59] <ttx> smoser: so you plan a karmic cloud image update this week to fix bug 494185 ?
[14:59] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 494185 in ec2-init "ec2-init selects us-east-1 mirror when running in us-west-1 region" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494185
[15:00] <smoser> i just did a test. i was looking at SRU path from here. (it is currently in proposed)
[15:01] <ttx> smoser: The SRU needs to be validated (tagged verification-done)
[15:01] <bogeyd6> Does the frontend server in a UEC do any processing? I am asking because I need to know if I should put in a really good server for the front end or let one of the cheaper servers run the front end
[15:01] <smoser> ok.
[15:02] <ttx> smoser: then it will be picked up by the SRU team and copied to updates
[15:02] <smoser> i'm going to go ahead and do one more final test of it. bu tthen will do that.
[15:02] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #509667 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "mysql-server 5.1 not starting after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509667
[15:02] <ttx> smoser: it's not affecting anything else but the not-created-yet cloud image updates
[15:03] <smoser> ?
[15:04] <ttx> smoser: can it have any bad effects on existing users ?
[15:05] <ttx> smoser: or does it just affect the soon-to-be-created karmic cloud image
[15:05] <smoser> soon-to-be-created
[15:05] <ttx> ok
[15:05] <smoser> if you did an upgrade and got the new version, it would not re-write your sources.list
[15:26] <kees> zul: why didn't you just sync openbsd-inetd ?
[15:27] <zul> kees: i should have
[15:27] <zul> in hindsight
[15:27] <kees> heh
[15:27] <kpettit> Anybody know of some good tools to convert XHTML to PDF?  I need one that will know how to read CSS 2
[15:27] <kpettit> I've found lots of converters, but none so far that deal with css2 and above correctly
[15:31] <screen-x> kpettit: depends what your doing, if firefox is an option, then you could try http://www.abeel.be/content/command-line-printing-firefox
[15:31] <mathiaz> zul: something when wrong in the mysql-5.1 merge: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/509667
[15:31] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 509667 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "mysql-server 5.1 not starting after upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[15:31] <screen-x> I would also like a html+css-->pdf solution that doesn't involve firefox..
[15:31] <zul> mathiaz: yeah i saw ill have a look
[15:32] <mathiaz> nijaba: private cloud box - is this the package I'm supposed to receive?
[15:32] <ttx> mathiaz: only if you're leet
[15:33] <kpettit> screen-x, ohhh that sounds perfect.
[15:34] <kpettit> If I can figure out how to mess with the headers and footers of the PDF that would be perfect
[15:34] <mathiaz> ttx: well - I've been woken up by the delivery guy on Friday *and* Monday because of this!
[15:34] <mathiaz> ttx: it better be some cool stuff!
[15:35] <zul> mathiaz: you got two? you are very elite then ;)
[15:35] <kpettit> screen-x, at this point I'll take what I can get.  It sucks CSS is so poorly supported in the PDF tools out there
[15:35] <mathiaz> zul: no! I didn't get any - I was *woken* up - I decided to not bother opening the door
[15:35] <zul> heh
[15:36] <screen-x> kpettit: yeah, I'm not sure how configurable firefox's output is, may have to post-process the output with something else.
[15:37] <kpettit> fun fun fun.  I love doing docs and such in XHTML, but making that work well in the print world sucks
[15:40] <genii> screen-x: My friend uses this: http://www.princexml.com/overview/    There are Ubuntu versions available on their download page
[15:40] <alvin> Freeaqingme: Did you find a solution?
[15:40] <kpettit> genii, I was actually looking at that a few minutes ago, but I think the license was very very step.
[15:41] <kpettit> Expensive I mean
[15:41] <kpettit> 3800 for server license
[15:41] <screen-x> genii: $3800 for a license to use it on a webserver!
[15:41] <screen-x> too slow..
[15:42] <kpettit> I can see 500 if it works, but not 4k.  Some of these guys price themselves way out of the game for any normal company to use them
[15:46] <genii> Well, she uses the non-commercial version. I didn't bother looking into the other licensing available. $3800 is pretty darn steep
[15:47] <ball> hello jono
[15:49] <jono> hey
[15:50] <Freeaqingme> alvin, not really
[15:51] <ball> genii: what costs $3,800 ?
[15:52] <genii> ball: An XML/XHTML to PDF converter program
[15:52] <ttx> mathiaz: where are the eucalyptus test scripts available right now ?
[15:52] <ball> genii: That sounds a bit steep.
[15:53] <mathiaz> ttx: https://code.launchpad.net/~eucalyptus-maintainers/eucalyptus-devel/eucalyptus-ubuntu-tests
[15:53] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ this upstream tests
[15:54] <mathiaz> ttx: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/eucalyptus-devel/tests-for-uec-images
[15:54] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ this is a script I wrote up
[15:54] <genii> ball: Yes, I agree. They do have a free non-commercial license, but looks like thats only for personal desktop usage, etc
[15:54] <ttx> mathiaz: and you've been integrating the upstreal tests directly, right
[15:54] <mathiaz> ttx: my version is an rewrite of upstream tests
[15:54] <mathiaz> ttx: they're doing the same thing
[15:55] <mathiaz> ttx: my goal was to make the tests more flexible
[15:55] <mathiaz> ttx: and more extensible
[15:56] <ttx> mathiaz: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/eucalyptus-devel/tests-for-uec-images appears empty to me
[15:56] <alvin> Freeaqingme: After you boot, there is no network? (ifconfig) Or are there certain services not available?
[15:56] <ttx> mathiaz: your version lives there ^
[15:56] <ttx> ?
[15:57] <Freeaqingme> alvin, I just have no connectivity. ifconfig tells me the nics do have an ip
[15:57] <mathiaz> ttx: hm my bad wrong url - https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/+junk/uec-testing-scripts
[15:57] <Freeaqingme> i however can't ping anything
[15:58] <ttx> mathiaz: ok, thanks
[16:01] <zul> ttx: what are we suppose to put under status in the whiteboard?
[16:01] <ttx> zul: "On track"
[16:01] <zul> ok
[16:04] <nijaba> ttx: so far, which version of likewise are we likely to get in 10.04?
[16:04] <ttx> 5.4
[16:04] <ttx> It's in already.
[16:05] <nijaba> ttx: ok, thanks a lot
[16:05] <alvin> Freeaqingme: What happens if you 'wait' a bit after you see the boot prompt. Does the network comu up by itself eventually?
[16:06] <Freeaqingme> alvin, I've waited over 10 mins several times, seems like long enough?
[16:06] <alvin> Is that Likewise Open thing also useable as server? Or can it only connect to Windows domains?
[16:07] <alvin> Freeaqingme: I also noticed the network comes up slower now, but your service probably crashes somewhere during boot.
[16:07] <Freeaqingme> alvin, I'm completely new to the startup thingy that was introduced with karmic, is there any way I can reproduce it after booting?
[16:08] <alvin> Freeaqingme: I think you'll have to wait for bug #328881 to be solved to know for sure.
[16:08] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 328881 in upstart "init: support logging of job output" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328881
[16:09] <alvin> No, that wasn't nice of me. (I love that bug). There must be a way. Let me think.
[16:09] <Freeaqingme> :P
[16:09] <Freeaqingme> I dont know c, so I'm not going to fix upstart myself, jfyi ;)
[16:10] <Xbert_eee> hi, has anyone got a link to info on what differences there are in the server kernel and generic kernel?
[16:11] <ball> Fewer owls?
[16:15] <alvin> Freeaqingme: Are you using Network-Manager?
[16:16] <Freeaqingme> Not that I know of. I installed ubuntu server, with only the openssh-server installed
[16:16] <Freeaqingme> hmm, what's interesting is that when I remove the other nic entries from my interfaces file (leaving eth0 and lo), it does work
[16:16] <Freeaqingme> while I'm 100% confident there's no parsing errors in the entries of eth1 or eth2
[16:17] <atomic__> screw NetworkManager, can't handle multiple NICs properly
[16:17] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #509705 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1. Mysql did not stop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509705
[16:17] <atomic__> which is cool, since i'm used to /etc/network/interfaces
[16:18] <Freeaqingme> atomic__, as said, I'm not using networkmanager (unless it's installed by default on the server stuff?)
[16:18] <atomic__> but then, udev starts randomly renaming my NICs upon each reboot
[16:18] <atomic__> it's not installed on server
[16:18] <atomic__> im talking about my desktop at home which runs 9.10
[16:19] <Freeaqingme> atomic__, that's a known bug in udev with some nic's who randomly change their UUID. Can be stopped by using wildcards in the id's udev uses
[16:19] <alvin> Freeaqingme: You will probably not use NM then. Maybe your bug is bug #497299 ?
[16:19] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 497299 in upstart "upstart not starting init-scripts (event net-device-up IFACE=lo missing)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497299
[16:20] <Freeaqingme> alvin, could be, but it's weird that it only doesn't do that in case I have multiple interfaces defined
[16:20] <atomic__> Freeaqingme: what file should i edit? i've tried blanking 80-persistent-net-generator.rules and 70-persistent-net.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d
[16:21] <atomic__> even go chattr on them )
[16:21] <atomic__> :)
[16:21] <Freeaqingme> atomic__, I dunno, has been like months ago that I encountered it
[16:21] <Freeaqingme> I guess some networking-related udev file
[16:22] <Freeaqingme> alvin, tnx for the help, I'm afk
[16:22] <alvin> ok Freeaqingme. Btw, there are multiple people in that bug report that claim that changing /etc/network/interfaced to the default file solved their problem
[16:37] <alvin> A while ago, there was someone in this channel who mentioned a command line tool that could continuously do a traceroute. Any idea what program that was?
[16:44] <zul> mathiaz: should be fixed now
[16:58] <kpettit> screen-x, I found a cool XHTML to PDF that does CSS correctly
[16:58] <kpettit> http://code.google.com/p/wkhtmltopdf/
[16:58] <kpettit> It uses a browser to render the page and prints it.  Very good commandline options and works in Linux / Mac / Windows
[16:59] <screen-x> kpettit: thanks, will have a look :)
[16:59] <au> me also
[17:00] <screen-x> ahh webkit, thought someone must have wrapped that in a scriptable package
[17:02] <kpettit> I've got it working on LInux now, and the XHTML stuff with my funcky CSS looks good.  We're installing in on Winblows not to give that a try
[17:03] <au> got any screenshots to share? :)
[17:04] <kpettit> it's not to intersting.  Just a CLI app.  give it a url and PDF file to output
[17:05] <kpettit> The PDF's I'm generating I can't share.  But what was hosing me before was the CSS pseudo tags Before/after and the css couter tag. Which works well in this
[17:06] <screen-x> kpettit: sounds promising
[17:15] <aubre> I'm going to attend the Deploying Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud course next week and I am pumped!
[17:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #509736 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509736
[17:44] <jjohansen> smoser: re Bug #494565
[17:44] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 494565 in linux "support ramdiskless boot for relevant kvm drive interfaces in -virtual" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494565
[17:44] <jjohansen> smoser: we either need to build modules into the server kernel, or create a new flavour
[17:45] <jjohansen> we can't roll it into -virtual as things stand
[17:45] <smoser> yeah, since -virtual == -server or -generic-pae with less modules
[17:45] <jjohansen> yep, and the way the kernel packaging works is that we can't change configs for sub flavours (which virtual is)
[17:46] <smoser> i think the kernel team has to decide if maintaining a -virtual that is not a subset is acceptable.
[17:46] <smoser> s/subset/sub flavour/
[17:46] <zul> hmmm
[17:46] <smoser> obviously it was originally done as a sub flavour because its lighter on maintainence
[17:46] <smoser> and many other things
[17:47] <jjohansen> smoser: well it somewhat depends on 1. how important it is, 2. can -server have a few extra modules builtin
[17:47] <smoser> i think its possible that the virtio drivers would not have negative affects if built in, but i would understand people not wanting to build the other required drivers in.
[17:48] <smoser> i don't really know how important it is.  personally, i dont think that ramdiskless boot is all that terribly important for kvm (or for ec2).  However, others decided to have this blueprint as 'High'
[17:48] <jjohansen> smoser: well its always a trade off, there is going to always be something some one doesn't want builtin
[17:49] <smoser> if it was enough to just build in virtio, it'd be great
[17:49] <smoser> however, its not. because euc does not use virtio
[17:49] <jjohansen> right
[17:49] <smoser> i think we should rpbobaly discuss this at the server team meeting tomorrow
[17:50] <jjohansen> yep, that was the plan just looking for some earlier feedback
[17:50] <smoser> well, this is what i expected you would tell me
[17:50] <smoser> :)
[17:51] <smoser> i do think, though, that a '-virtual' kernel that doesn't have drivers for kvm virtio is somewhat of a bad name :)
[17:51] <jjohansen> I would agree
[17:57] <smoser> jjohansen, i think you have to know how much maintainecne this is going to be for the kernel team
[17:57] <smoser> how hard is it to say "take -generic-pae (or -server)" and modify this list of CONFIG vars
[17:58] <smoser> i really woudlnt think that run-time you'd see a lot of differences after boot and modules loaded between the 2 config settings
[17:58] <smoser> its really all about "remove ramdisk"
[17:58] <jjohansen> smoser: it isn't as bad as the EC2 kernel, but more than what -virtual is currently
[17:59] <smoser> so, jiboumans/ttx, we need to add discussion of this issue to meeting tomorrow (this issue == 494565)
[17:59] <jiboumans> smoser: tack it onto the agenda
[17:59] <smoser> jjohansen, i really woud'nt expect that the different kenrel configs would end up with different behavior (ie, need to fix bugs on one that didn't exist on the other)
[18:00] <jjohansen> smoser: well it can happen with different configs, but at least they are all the same code base
[18:00] <zul> -virtual is kind of a hack isnt it?
[18:00] <smoser> its basically just a whitelist of modules to include in the sub-package
[18:00] <jjohansen> yep
[18:00] <smoser> uses the same kernel and does not package some modules
[18:00] <smoser> s/kernel/config/
[18:00] <zul> meh and sometimes users expec something to be there when it isnt
[18:03] <smoser> jjohansen, so is it decided that it is unacceptable to change the list of CONFIG_* to 'y' ?
[18:03] <au> any ideas on a lightweight blogging thing like wordpress ?
[18:04] <jjohansen> smoser: you mean for -server?  I was going to defer that decision to the server team
[18:04] <smoser> hm... ok.
[18:05] <smoser> i figured that was a kernel tem discussion.
[18:05] <smoser> and note that it affects -generic-pae on i386
[18:05] <smoser> as -virtual comes from that.
[18:05] <jjohansen> well in this case we already carry a -server kernel with custom configs, that would just be modifying the existing flavour as opposed to creating a new one
[18:06] <jjohansen> hrmm, yeah so it does
[18:06] <jjohansen> well either way server team input will go into the decision
[18:07] <smoser> i personally think that 'CONFIG_VIRTIO*' would have little to no negative. but i have no exact experience. just seems less risky.
[18:07] <smoser> getting CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_2=y could possibly have some issues if, for example, it was blacklisted for any reason
[18:08] <jjohansen> right
[18:08] <smoser> do you have a config diff of the entire set of changes that i'm asking for?
[18:09] <jjohansen> not yet
[18:10] <jjohansen> it is a very small diff though
[18:12] <smoser> can you possibly get the entire fallout of changing the following options on both -server and -generic-pae:
[18:12] <smoser> CONFIG_VIRTIO_NET=y
[18:12] <smoser> CONFIG_VIRTIO_BLK=y
[18:13] <smoser> CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_2=y
[18:13] <smoser> that last one is the highest risk, IMHO, and it has right now
[18:13] <smoser> CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_2=m
[18:13] <smoser> CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_DMA_ADDRESSING_MODE=1
[18:13] <smoser> CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_DEFAULT_TAGS=16
[18:13] <smoser> CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_MAX_TAGS=64
[18:13] <smoser> CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_MMIO=y
[18:13] <jjohansen> smoser: yeah, I am going to build a kernel once my chroot is done updating
[18:14] <smoser> i dont know if those options are configurable at module load time and *not* configurable if built in. that would be a functionality loss if it was the case.
[18:14] <jjohansen> they are configurable when builtin
[18:18] <smoser> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=762480 is the best hit i can find for "blacklist sym53c8xx"
[18:19] <smoser> and there isn't much info there.
[18:19] <smoser> (the idea was to see if anyone was suggesting to blacklist it and for what reasons)
[18:20] <smoser> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg634444.html
[18:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #501807 in debconf (main) "actualizacion para reproducir un video de youtube en  RHYTHMBOX" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501807
[18:36] <Elad> I am trying to have a script add ip's to iptables, and they are getting in the table, but look different than when I manually put them in, so I was curious if an iptables guru could tell me if the IP Chain rule is doing anything
[18:37] <Elad> besides taking up space :)
[18:40] <smoser> who wants to package up libguestfs for ubuntu. news in december that it is now functionoing.  this is an extremely useful package that allwos you to modify disk images without being root (ie, no need for mount -o loop)
[18:44] <koolhead17> hi all
[18:45] <koolhead17> "can selinux be booted on a cloud system running ubuntu as OS?"
[18:45] <zul> smoser: i will if i hae time
[18:45] <smoser> well that was easy :)
[18:54] <bogeyd6> I rebooted my uec server after setting up the cloud with the admin/admin credentials. Now I set a new password but the username is no longer admin
[18:55] <bogeyd6> How do I show a list of users in eucalyptus
[18:55] <Freeaqingme> alvin, re my networking issue, using the default config isn't possible of course when wanting to use 3 NIC's. Just decided to use an other version that does not suffer this issue. Thank you for your advice btw
[19:01] <alvin> Freeaqingme: yes, Karmic is suffering from a lot of boot issues. I'm sure it will be fixed in Lucid. Good luck.
[19:02] <Freeaqingme> heh, not waiting another 3 monts (and not using a pre alpha either)
[19:17] <zul> smoser: ping
[19:17] <smoser> here
[19:17] <zul> smoser: do you have something for me?
[19:17] <smoser> no. sorry.
[19:17] <zul> ok
[19:41] <addisonj> anyone here use HP RGS?
[19:57] <Skaag> I'm in Grub Rescue, how do I boot from md0? :)
[19:57] <Skaag> I can see it when I type: ls
[19:57] <Skaag> the prefix is: prefix=(md0)/boot/grub
[19:57] <Skaag> and root is set: root=md0,1
[21:01] <marks256> How can i set a user's password to a pre-encrypted md5 sum via command line?
[21:01] <Jeeves_> marks256: usermod, i believe
[21:02] <guntbert> marks256: in that case edit (with root rights) /etc/shadow (but be careful)
[21:02] <marks256> guntbert, needs to be done from a script
[21:02] <marks256> Jeepbeats, thanks. i'll check that out
[21:08] <marks256> it keeps dropping the first character of the encrypted password?
[21:14] <marks256> When i type in usermod -p $1$5VSNNaUR$7dUcIw5R9jrxfW3oQk86O. dan into the console, it works, but this is what's put in /etc/shadow VSNNaURdUcIw5R9jrxfW3oQk86O. What gives?
[21:15] <guntbert> marks256: put "" around it
[21:15] <marks256> guntbert, did. that did nothing
[21:15] <guntbert> marks256: then I don't know - sorry
[21:16] <marks256> it works when i manually paste the string into /etc/shadow, so the encrypted password is right
[21:16] <marks256> guntbert, thanks anyway
[21:16] <guntbert> marks256: try with '
[21:16] <marks256> wait. could it be that the console is interpreting $1 and $5 as variables?
[21:17] <guntbert> marks256: that was my idea too
[21:17] <marks256> bingo. that's the problem!
[21:17] <marks256> works now :)
[21:17] <marks256> ' fixed it
[21:17] <guntbert> !yai
[21:17] <marks256> thanks :)
[21:18] <unit3> Hey, all, trying to follow the docs at help.ubuntu.com for karmic/server on setting up slapd with the new cn=config setup...
[21:19] <unit3> but it claims "dpkg-reconfigure slapd" will let you set an admin password... and it's not, on my system, so I have no idea what bind DN or admin password to use.
[21:19] <unit3> the ones I've found in independent docs (cn=admin,cn=config, password=config) don't seem to work.
[21:19] <unit3> anyone in here familiar with the current openldap stuff?
[22:17] <smoser> anyone here able to help me out and veirfy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/494185
[22:19] <Aison`> everytime a device is going up / down where dhcp is listen on, dhcp stops working
[22:19] <Aison`> that's really ennoying
[22:20] <erichammond> smoser: I confirmed that the IS fix worked yesterday using ami-7d3c6d38 (ubuntu-images-us-west-1/ubuntu-karmic-9.10-i386-server-20091027.1.manifest.xml)
[22:20] <erichammond> Is there more to do?
[22:21] <smoser> erichammond, we want to refresh the images, so i need someone to confirm the fix.
[22:21] <smoser> i added instructions on how to do so.
[22:21] <erichammond> (reading the bug notes) I see
[22:22] <erichammond> smoser: What's the timeframe on this?  I can definitely get to it this evening if nobody has done it by then.
[22:22] <smoser> this evening would be fine. and then when you do, tag it as verification-done
[22:22] <smoser> and remove verification-needed
[22:27] <erichammond> smoser: noted
[22:28] <Roger_> algien habla español?
[22:30] <erichammond> Roger_: #ubuntu-es
[22:33] <isg> Hi.  Any cloud experts in here?
[22:42] <jkakar> Interesting, I'm reinstalling my UEC with the installer, using the alpha2 ISO's.
[22:42] <jacob_> an anyone tell me what would cause this error message Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name
[22:42] <jkakar> I started by rebuilding my node controller... when it got to component selection it told me it detected a cloud controller and blocked me from setting one up.
[22:43] <unit3> jacob_: is that from apache, and your local ip isn't in reverse dns?
[22:43] <jkakar> I ended up turning off the machine with cloud controller and restarting the install, because when this happens, the installer give you no way to go back or rescan for UEC components.
[22:43] <unit3> and you haven't manually set a hostname?
[22:44] <jacob_> unit3: yes sorry forgot to add that...it is latest verison of apache, this is the first server i've set up, so far none of the walkthroughs i've looked at have said anything about revers dns
[22:44] <unit3> jacob_: it's usually easier to just define a local hostname in /etc/apache2/conf.d/local-options or whatever.
[22:45] <unit3> not that it really matters, that's just apache complaining, it has no real affect on server operation.
[22:45] <unit3> which is probably why the howtos don't cover it.
[22:45] <unit3> just put in "ServerName my.fqdn.com" somewhere in your config to make it stop. ;)
[22:47] <jacob_> unit3: can you explain what servername my.fqdn.com does...and in which config should it be
[22:47] <unit3> errr... it assigns a server name manually to apache, so that it'll stop complaining about not being able to figure out its name. isn't that what you asked about?
[22:48] <unit3> and like I said, you can just stick it in the global configs, so maybe a file like "/etc/apache2/conf.d/local-options" or similar.
[22:49] <tonyyarusso> I'm having trouble connecting/authenticating to my Samba file server share.  Log entry is here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/359266/
[22:49] <jacob_> unit3: kk..just wanted to make sure i understood what it did....and i might have done something wrong my conf.d only gives me the files charset, localized-error-pages and security
[22:50] <tonyyarusso> (Note:  It is a remote server, not on the local network.)
[22:50] <unit3> jacob_: those are config chunks, apache will just include anything in there. I wasn't suggesting the local-config file exists, I was simply suggesting it'd be a convenient name to put some local options into.
[22:51] <unit3> *.d directories on debian/ubuntu are often just directories where you can dump files with config snippets into, so they're easier to manage.
[22:51] <jacob_> unit3: ahhh i understand now...sorry for the confusion
[22:51] <unit3> no prob, everyone's gotta learn some time. ;)
[22:52] <unit3> apache has pretty specific conventions for that which you should learn, also.
[22:52] <unit3> such as the modules and sites available and enabled .d directories.
[22:53] <jacob_> unit3: i've been reading up on them from the apache site, alot of it is still over my head, but i'm getting there
[22:53] <unit3> They allow you to define apache module configs and virtual hosts, and then easily enable and disable them by symlinking them into the enable.d directories.
[22:53] <unit3> yeah, it'll probably take a long time to wrap your head around if you're just starting, there's a lot there. :)
[22:53] <unit3> apache's been around a long time, and does a lot of stuff. :)
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> The issue seems to be "NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE"
[22:54] <jacob_> lol yea...i have a solid understanding of html now..but wanted to get into php, so teaching myself
[22:55] <unit3> tonyyarusso: looks like samba thinks the share you're trying to connect to isn't defined in the config. can you pastebot the chunk of your config dealing with that etnh share?
[22:57] <tonyyarusso> unit3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/359268/
[22:58]  * tonyyarusso may have posted a different error before, is confused
[22:59] <unit3> tonyyarusso: oh, that's probably conflicting with the default [homes] share, which automatically maps [username] to /home/username with only access from that user.
[22:59] <unit3> can you make a subdirectory and share that, instead?
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> unit3: but I thought [homes] was commented out by default?
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> unit3: Or is ; not really a comment in smb.conf?
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> (I don't actually want to share all homes; just this one)
[23:00] <unit3> it is. if you've got it commented out, then yeah, that should work.
[23:00] <unit3> how've you got the samba authentication setup? did you set your password with smbpasswd and stuff?
[23:01] <tonyyarusso> well, I get a different error now...
[23:01] <tonyyarusso> unit3: with libpam-smbpass
[23:01] <tonyyarusso> unit3: real error this time - http://paste.ubuntu.com/359273/
[23:02] <unit3> are you sure you want libpam-smbpass on there? because that authenticates system accounts against samba, not the reverse.
[23:02] <tonyyarusso> wait, really?
[23:02] <unit3> yeah.
[23:02] <tonyyarusso> What I want to do is create system accounts, and make samba use them.
[23:03] <unit3> yeah, you can do that, but samba needs to have its own database of passwords... because Microsoft's password formats for SMB are pretty insecure, so you can't use the secure unix ones. ;)
[23:03] <tonyyarusso> oh lordy
[23:03] <tonyyarusso> Well, how can I sync them easily?
[23:03] <tonyyarusso> (I thought I had what I want, since 'pdbedit -L' lists all of the system accounts.)
[23:04] <jacob_> unit3: ty for you help....i might be messageing again if a few if i get stuck
[23:04] <unit3> yeah, by default it'll pull in system account names, but they won't have any passwords.
[23:04] <unit3> jacob_: sure, if I'm around. :)
[23:04] <tonyyarusso> oh...lol
[23:04] <unit3> tonyyarusso: so you have to run "smbpasswd username" for each account, and set them.
[23:05] <tonyyarusso> And this is why I hate samba.  Maintaining dual account registries :(
[23:05] <unit3> totally. it's not really samba's fault though. you know who designed the protocol. ;P
[23:05] <unit3> I believe you can actually setup libpam-smbpass or similar to *change* samba passwords with the regular ones , so the next time users run normal passwd it'll be in sync.
[23:05] <tonyyarusso> That'd be good.
[23:06] <unit3> yeah, just did a little google, that's what libpam-smbpass is good for.
[23:06] <unit3> problem is, it doesn't do anything until the user actually changes their password.
[23:07] <unit3> so you were probably expecting it to already have the passwords migrated and set up, which isn't the case.
[23:07] <jacob_> unit3: ok well i just remember my other question now.........documentroot to a folder in my home folder, but the php files i have in that folder still won't run......did i forget a step
[23:07] <unit3> jacob_: have you installed libapache2-mod-php5?
[23:08] <jacob_> unit3: that would probably be the step i forgot
[23:08] <unit3> jacob_: heh, yeah, you'll need php installed.
[23:08] <unit3> tonyyarusso: so... use smbpasswd to manually assign a samba password for a specific account, make sure the rest of your samba config works, and then get your users to change their passwords so libpam-smbpass can do its magic.
[23:09] <unit3> this is why samba 4 will be good, if it ever comes out.
[23:09] <unit3> full ADS replacement, you can just use it as the auth source for linux as well as windows, have all the passwords in one place.
[23:09] <unit3> too bad it's in perpetual alpha.
[23:09] <jacob_> unit3: is that available in synaptic's?
[23:10] <jacob_> unit3: and if so would it be the php5?
[23:10] <unit3> jacob_: yeah, should be, look for that package name.
[23:10] <unit3> erm... not sure what you mean by "the php5"
[23:32] <jacob__> does anyone know the name of the php package needed to run php script in apache?...the only one i can find is php5 and it doesn't appear to be working
[23:33] <unit3> jacob__: I already told you the package name. libapache2-mod-php5.
[23:34] <jacob__> unit3: nice your still here.....and for some reason it found it that time.....very odd...and i already had it installed
[23:35] <unit3> ok, and is it enabled in apache?
[23:35] <jacob__> not sure how i do that
[23:35] <unit3> a2enmod command is used to enable apache mods.
[23:35] <unit3> and a2dismod to disable.
[23:38] <jacob__> says its already enabled....i'm assuming i use that for the php5 module..since that was the only thing listed that envolved php
[23:39] <unit3> yeah.
[23:40] <unit3> well then, it should work.
[23:40] <jacob__> let me restart apache and will try again
[23:40] <unit3> is it just showing you the code when you go to a php page with your browser?
[23:42] <jacob__> unit3: nope still doesn't show me text.... all i'm trying to load is a blank page that has one line of php on it
[23:42] <unit3> so what does it show you instead?
[23:42] <jacob__> just a blank page
[23:43] <unit3> can you view source, and see for sure that it's blank?
[23:43] <unit3> and can you also pastebot the full php code you're trying out?
[23:43] <jacob__> <?php echo "Hello ";?> lol this is all i'm trying to get it to show me
[23:45] <jacob__> unit3: it's literally just a blank page..with one line of php code
[23:46] <unit3> yeah. it should be working. do the apache logs say anything is wrong with that? specifically, the error log?
[23:46] <jacob__> unit3: sorry how do i check the logs?
[23:47] <unit3> errr, you just ... look at them? they're in /var/log/apache2?
[23:47] <unit3> i think, perhaps, you need to spend a little more time with google. ;)
[23:49] <jacob__> unit3: :) i found it....
[23:50] <jacob__> these are only two log messages [Tue Jan 19 18:41:03 2010] [error] mod_log_sql: insufficient configuration info to establish database link
[23:50] <jacob__> [Tue Jan 19 18:41:03 2010] [error] mod_log_sql: child spawned but unable to open database link
[23:50] <unit3> errr... mod_log_sql? why would you have that in there?
[23:50] <jacob__> oh wait
[23:50] <unit3> I mean, that's nothing to do with php, but that's not part of the default install.
[23:50] <unit3> you haven't just been randomly installing mods, have you? ;)
[23:50] <jacob__> lol old logs...
[23:51] <unit3> "old"? it says Jan 19th, 2010.
[23:51] <jacob__> old as in when i was getting erros b/c it couldn't find a server name (i'm guessing by the time its showing
[23:51] <wish^> am i gone have a stable system with ubuntu on a 800 mhz p3 with 768 mb sdram running as a server?
[23:52] <unit3> wish^: as long as your hardware's stable, sure. if it's that old, that's not guaranteed.
[23:52] <wish^> ofcourse not
[23:52] <unit3> i'd do a loooooong memtest run on before comitting it to anything. :)
[23:52] <jacob__> unit3: and no, no error's when running the php
[23:52] <wish^> but the question is, is ubuntu gone give me the stability in software i need?
[23:53] <unit3> wish^: as compared to what? modern linux distros are quite stable, so I'm not sure what you're asking.
[23:53] <wish^> compared to say, debian or fedora
[23:53] <wish^> im running with old scsi disks
[23:53] <unit3> wish^: stability will be very similar, although for a server you'd be better running centos than fedora.
[23:53] <unit3> and the disks don't really enter in, since they all use the same kernels with the same drivers.
[23:54] <unit3> choosing a distro is really about choosing an environment you're comfortable in.
[23:54] <unit3> these days, there isn't much variance with the software offered, or what you can do with it.
[23:54] <wish^> well, ive used ubuntu on one of my desktops
[23:54] <unit3> there's just slightly different ways of doing it with each distro.
[23:54] <wish^> and i am familiar with freeBSD
[23:54] <wish^> and mandrake 7
[23:55] <unit3> ok, so, do you like Ubuntu the best for doing commandline management? if so, then put that on your server. if not, use whichever you like best.
[23:55] <wish^> well id say freeBSD cause its the only thing ive ran on a server before
[23:56] <wish^> but i havent been keeping up with it really
[23:56] <jacob__> clearly i scewed up somewhere...gonna wipe it and start over...ty for your help unit3
[23:56] <unit3> jacob__: no prob.
[23:56] <unit3> good luck.
[23:57] <unit3> wish^: freebsd I find has a lot less package management, which IMO isn't the best thing for process and manageability, but it also has some very nice server features that Linux distros lack, such as (now stable!) ZFS support.
[23:57] <unit3> if you don't care about niche features, then I'd recommend Ubuntu, as long as you're familiar with the package system.
[23:57] <unit3> mmmm and pf. pf is nice. wish Linux had pf.
[23:57] <wish^> ubuntu doesnt use rpm right?
[23:58] <unit3> nope, it uses the debian package format, so it generally follows the debian way of doing things.
[23:58] <unit3> and gets access to most of the packages available in debian, which is nice, because debian's list of packages is huuuuuge. ;)
[23:59] <unit3> but it means that specific apps may not have packages. 389 directory server is one off the top of my head that'd be handy, but there's no uptodate packages for.
[23:59] <unit3> again, niche stuff.