[00:03] <onetinsoldier> hello all
[00:07] <kklimonda> are we going to get firefox 3.6 in lucid?
[00:08] <onetinsoldier> i would imagine lucid will get it, eventually.
[01:39] <Some_Person> How (un)stable is lucid in its current state?
[01:42] <bjsnider> this question gets asked every day
[01:42] <bjsnider> it varies from day to day
[01:43] <bjsnider> certainly the alpha 2 cd is stable enough to install by design
[01:51] <Some_Person> I read somewhere that the Ubuntu Software Center may replace Synaptic in Lucid. Is that true?
[01:53] <IdleOne> Some_Person: at some point it is supposed to but IMO it needs a lot of work
[01:53] <Some_Person> Has it advanced at all since Karmic?
[01:53] <IdleOne> honestly I don't know. I looked at it a couple times and found it lacking in both karmic and lucid
[01:54] <Some_Person> I hope that if it does "replace" Synaptic that doesn't mean we lose any of its features
[01:55] <Some_Person> Reminds me of when gnome-screensaver came out: They still haven't added a Settings button to that thing
[01:56] <IdleOne> still looks the same as I remember in karmic
[01:57] <IdleOne> I still don't like it
[01:57] <Some_Person> me neither
[01:58] <Some_Person> but I have a friend who really likes it (a linux newbie, but a former fedora user)
[02:01] <Some_Person> As for the gnome-screensaver issue I mentioned, why has that not been fixed over so many years?
[02:04] <yofel> that's something only the gnome developers can answer you...
[02:04] <WeatherGod> Some_Person, there has been some work done to the software center
[02:04] <yofel> and while they're at it, they might as well write a usable gdmsetup -.-
[02:05] <WeatherGod> particularly with making sure that it handles errors more gracefully
[02:06] <WeatherGod> but it still has a ways to go
[02:08] <yofel> heh, just had bug 508622
[02:11] <WeatherGod> yeah, that is most likely from outdated package lists, I think
[02:11] <WeatherGod> not sure
[02:12] <yofel> " ImportError: PyGI support not enabled"
[02:12] <yofel> sounds more like something changed in pygtk
[02:12] <WeatherGod> hmmm, maybe...
[02:12] <WeatherGod> most of my problems were resolved once I used Synaptics to load and freshen the package lists
[02:13] <yofel> yep, just doing that in aptitude, I'll try to reproduce it again after tha
[02:13] <yofel> t
[02:14] <WeatherGod> the whole software center thing makes me yearn for the Fedora Add/Remove Software
[02:14] <WeatherGod> never had it crash on me
[02:17] <edgy> Hi, How can I log out of ubuntu?
[02:17] <WeatherGod> on another note, I have found that the "Show Desktop" feature is only half-working in UNR for both Lucid and Karmic
[02:17] <WeatherGod> ??
[02:17] <WeatherGod> what do you mean
[02:18] <WeatherGod> edgy, are you having difficulties with Ubuntu?
[02:18] <edgy> is this a bug or the icon to logout is hidden somewhere?
[02:18] <edgy> WeatherGod: yes, I can't see how to logout
[02:19] <WeatherGod> well, for UNR, there should be your username in the upper right-hand corner
[02:19] <WeatherGod> click on that
[02:19] <WeatherGod> I think it is the same for others
[02:21] <WeatherGod> did that help you?
[02:22] <edgy> WeatherGod: I don't know what's UNR, but if I click on my name on the upper right, there are options like available, away, ... but all are dimmed and grey so I cannot click them
[02:23] <gnomefreak> edgy: ther3e should be a red/some color icon near your name in upper right left click that
[02:24] <WeatherGod> UNR == Ubuntu Netbook Remix
[02:24] <edgy> WeatherGod: I am not using UNR, just standard lucid
[02:25] <WeatherGod> That's what I figured... but it is still gnome
[02:25] <WeatherGod> so, in your panel, you should have the date and time, right?
[02:25] <WeatherGod> what is to the immediate right of that?
[02:26] <setuid> Has anyone seen a significant slowdown in resume speed in Lucid vs. Karmic or previous? Coming out of suspend would take about 8 seconds with Karmic, Hardy, Jaunty, etc. With Lucid, it takes over 4 minutes.
[02:27] <setuid> coming out of suspend with lucid takes longer than coming out of hibernate on all previous versions
[02:27] <edgy> WeatherGod: to the immediate right? nothing. my name is in the upper-right. but to the left there is an icon like a circle which seems like a poweroff button but clicking on it open an empty menu
[02:28] <gnomefreak> edgy: that is the icon to use
[02:28] <edgy> gnomefreak: but it's not working
[02:28] <gnomefreak> edgy: what is not working about it?
[02:28] <edgy> gnomefreak: when I click on it, it just opens an empty menu
[02:29] <WeatherGod> edgy, just as a test...
[02:29] <gnomefreak> i removed mine this morning but up til than it worked
[02:29] <WeatherGod> can you press Alt-F1?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> ttys are dead :)
[02:29] <edgy> WeatherGod: Alt-F1 opens apps menu here
[02:29] <WeatherGod> and you should find the logout option in it
[02:30] <edgy> WeatherGod: there is no logout option in the Applications menu
[02:30] <WeatherGod> hmmm, just noticed that...
[02:30] <gnomefreak> easy way to fix. remove icon maybe name as well and you can use the system menu to logout shutdown ....
[02:30] <WeatherGod> it was there for Jaunty
[02:31] <gnomefreak> its now one or the other cant use both
[02:31] <Sarvatt> setuid: resume from suspend is .403, .591, and .422 seconds here for the last 3 i've done in lucid today..
[02:32] <edgy> gnomefreak: I right clicked on the icon and choose remove from panel but now I don't even have a panel!
[02:32] <setuid> Sarvatt, How do you time that?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> edgy: than you didnt remove the right thing. what was the name of the thing you removed?
[02:33] <Sarvatt> it says in dmesg
[02:33] <edgy> gnomefreak: I didn't see a name, I get a menu with an option of remove from panel
[02:33] <setuid> [50836.217376] PM: resume devices took 3.930 seconds
[02:33] <setuid> [50836.217397] PM: Finishing wakeup.
[02:33] <setuid> [50836.217399] Restarting tasks ... done.
[02:33] <setuid> That?
[02:34] <Sarvatt> yeah, my desktop is back up with wireless connected in less than a second
[02:34] <setuid> It most-definitely did not take 3.930 seconds.... screen was black for over 4 minutes, then finally displayed the gdm login dialog
[02:34] <Sarvatt> you might have been hitting the bug with the session scripts in GDM that should be fixed now
[02:34] <edgy> gnomefreak: can you please paste the result of id? may be the user lost privileges somehow
[02:34] <setuid> Which bug is that?
[02:34] <Sarvatt> and gdm was constantly trying to restart
[02:34] <setuid> My install is 2 days old
[02:35] <Sarvatt> fixed gdm was uploaded a few hours ago
[02:35] <setuid> I'm running gdm-2.2, because the gdm package is crippled and stripped of any useful functionalithy
[02:35] <Sarvatt> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2010-January/003732.html
[02:35] <gnomefreak> edgy: why would my output help you? its the an privalige problem
[02:35] <setuid> gdm has no theme support, no remote config support, lots of features were ripped out
[02:36] <setuid> Sarvatt, This doesn't look like the issue I'm being affected by
[02:36] <Sarvatt> indeed if you arent even using the lucid packages as intended
[02:36] <edgy> gnomefreak: how can I tell whether my user have the right privileges?
[02:36] <Sarvatt> i have no idea what could be going on there but i'm sure its gdm related
[02:37] <edgy> ok I will reboot and see what's going on
[02:38] <WeatherGod> ok, that was weird
[02:38] <gnomefreak> edgy: well i can tell you the output i give you will not help you at all. there are a few ways, but someone else will have to help you out further im doing email atm and have to be done within 30minutes. You can start by ruling your priv. theory out since you were able to remove a panel you have the right priv
[02:38] <WeatherGod> gnomefreak, he already left
[02:38] <gnomefreak> WeatherGod: thanks i saw
[02:39] <WeatherGod> I don't think he was someone who should be playing with an alpha release
[02:39] <gnomefreak> he shouldnt be at all
[02:39] <WeatherGod> anyway... I have noticed that for UNR, "Show Desktop" is only half working
[02:40] <WeatherGod> and I can confirm it for Karmic which I finally upgraded to on my regular machine
[02:40] <gnomefreak> UNR has had its share of issues for a while
[02:40] <WeatherGod> "Show Desktop" will hide the windows, but will not bring back the windows when clicked again
[02:40] <WeatherGod> yeah, but I still like it
[02:41] <WeatherGod> and I want to make sure it works well
[02:42] <WeatherGod> since others have said that they have no issues, I am curious about what makes the window manager different that Show Desktop would not work properly
[03:00] <setuid> Sarvatt, easy to test... stop gdm, suspend, resume... and see how long it takes.
[03:00] <setuid> But this same version of gdm (2.2) on previous Ubuntu versions didn't do this, so it's probably not gdm, it's probably upstart
[03:09] <edgy> I failed to know how to logout of ubuntu and why the default icon is not working, any one here facing the same problem? I am  up2date
[03:10] <WeatherGod> edgy, how did you get to Lucid?
[03:10] <edgy> WeatherGod: a fresh install
[03:10] <edgy> WeatherGod: I even created a new user so I make sure I am not inheriting anything from old home files
[03:10] <WeatherGod> with a completely new user account, or did you retain the old account in your /home directory
[03:10] <WeatherGod> ok
[03:11] <WeatherGod> and where did your installation image come from?
[03:11] <edgy> WeatherGod: alpha2
[03:11] <WeatherGod> ok, and you confirmed the md5sum?
[03:12] <edgy> WeatherGod: yes and I used zsync for the download so it's good for sure
[03:12] <WeatherGod> ok
[03:13] <WeatherGod> then it is likely to be some sort of new bug from the daily builds (I haven't tried the latest)
[03:13] <edgy> WeatherGod: can you try it now? ;)
[03:13] <WeatherGod> I would file a new bug and be sure to include a screenshot
[03:13] <WeatherGod> not on this particular machine,  no
[03:13] <edgy> WeatherGod: ;)
[03:27]  * Crashbit pira pal sobre
[09:00] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[09:36] <aboSamoor> Pulseaudio here consumes 5% of the cpu all the time and jump to 20% once you play video or music
[09:48]  * cwillu pokes
[10:14]  * BUGabundo_remote pats cwillu in the back
[10:42] <om26er> indicator applet session's power button is not on the far right side why?
[10:44] <arand> Wierd hiccup, I thinks it's on the far right on the daily live, but in my upgraded, it's stuck there second however much I try to reset panel...
[10:46] <om26er> there might be some gconf setting?
[10:47] <arand> om26er: I've blasted /apps/panel/ several times
[10:47] <om26er> should i report a bug? or this might be the default behavior?
[10:49] <arand> Unsure, since it isn't present in the liveCD, only on upgrades, and maybe only on specific upgrades, but yea, a bug doesn't hurt I guess..
[10:56] <arand> om26er: I think it should be toward indicator-applet in that case.
[10:56] <om26er> arand: ok
[10:56] <arand> om26er: or indicator-applet-session maybe
[10:57] <om26er> arand: its indicator applet's
[11:01] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/510040
[12:17] <CosmiChaos> hey new kernel
[12:51] <CosmiChaos> m-m-m-m-onstersplit split split
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> so now kmail has its signing/encripting backends broken :(
[14:40] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_remote, try http://chrome.blogspot.com/ in chrome
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> bjsnider: snaps. most pages do, right now
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> google help says corrupte profile
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> but doesn't help more then that
[14:50] <DanaG> hmm, any errors in error console?
[14:50] <BUGabundo_remote> nada DanaG
[14:52] <bjsnider> i think it's ironic that a lot of google's pages are snapping
[14:52] <bjsnider> most pages work here though
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> I find that too
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> blogger
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> chrome extentions
[14:54] <BUGabundo_remote> gmail
[14:54] <BUGabundo_remote> phone home stuff??????
[15:30] <alex_mayorga> What do you see on Firefox when right clicking in a text box and select "languages"?
[15:31] <alex_mayorga> I see "en_ZA", "en_GB" and some other bogus language codes, is this a known bug?
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Those are the languages installed by default in Ubuntu for mozilla-firefox, aren't they?
[15:39] <DanaG> I'd say it's not bogus.
[15:39] <DanaG> Australia, Great Britain, Zaire, US, <unspecified>, and Canada.
[15:41] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, the bogus part is that no "human readable" text is shown, but the codes
[15:41] <DanaG> ah, better word is "obscure".
[15:42] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: what component to report to?
[15:42] <DanaG> Beats me.
[15:44] <alex_mayorga> anyone?
[15:49] <komputes> alex_mayorga: I know of a bug which combines those "en_ZA", "en_GB" and the full human readable "English (United States)" formats. Would you like me to find it for you?
[15:57] <alex_mayorga> komputes: If you don't mind, I'd like to list myself as affected
[16:04] <komputes> alex_mayorga: http://launchpad.net/bugs/66015
[16:05] <alex_mayorga> Komputes: thanks!
[16:05] <komputes> alex_mayorga: np
[16:14] <alex_mayorga> BTW is there a way to query launchpad for "all the bugs that affect me"?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Go to your user name in launchpad (can click on it to go there), click on Bugs -> on the right side?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> (but I don't know if "bugs that affect me" show up in it, 477 is too many to look for that
[16:26] <alex_mayorga> charlie-tca: is not there, I've looked before, I guess that's a bug in launchpad :)
[16:28] <charlie-tca> Yeah, sounds like it. Unless they decided not to show the "affect me" bugs.
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Seems like you would want to see them, but maybe you have to subscribe to each bug to see it?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I know auto-subscribe is broken, and you have to subscribe when you do anything to a bug, if you want to follow it.
[16:31] <alex_mayorga> I personally would say is nice to have
[16:41] <bcurtiswx> hey, anyone know if Gnome XChat is going to get an Indicator Session place?
[16:41] <bcurtiswx> or the ability to minimize to tray?
[17:18] <pif> hi, when I try "sudo <command>" it complains I am not in the sudoers file...
[17:19] <pif> I'm the only user
[17:20] <BUGabundo_remote> pif: $groups
[17:20] <pif> I'm in 'adm'
[17:21] <pif> should I reboot with init=/bin/bash ?
[17:21] <pif> and add myself to 'admin' ?
[17:22] <Ian_Corne> you should add yourself in the /etc/sudoers file
[17:22] <Ian_Corne> or that
[17:22] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[17:22] <pif> yes, but I can't edit it without being root
[17:22] <Ian_Corne> but it seems weird that it didn't do that automaticly if you're the only user..
[17:22] <BUGabundo_remote> its now automagicly done
[17:22] <BUGabundo_remote> no need to be in extra groups
[17:22] <pif> alpha2 install
[17:24] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:51] <pif> is it normal that no flash player is installed by default?
[17:52] <pif> I had to "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" for youtube to work
[17:53] <tankdriver> pif: yes
[17:54] <pif> how come?
[17:55] <tankdriver> legal issues
[17:55] <tankdriver> flash is not opensource software
[17:57] <pif> aha
[17:57] <pif> and I get a "mountall: could not connect to plymouth" is there a workaround yet?
[18:20] <luis_lopez> upgrading python-vm-builder replaces grub-pc by grub, what could be the possible implications of this?
[18:21] <jpds> I believe someone talked about this yesterday.
[18:23] <jpds> luis_lopez:
[18:23] <jpds> 13:52:24 < Ng> it's python-vm-builder
[18:23] <jpds> 13:52:32 < Ng> Depends directly on grub for some reason
[18:23] <jpds> 13:53:12 < Ng> yay fix released an hour ago
[18:24] <luis_lopez> jpds: gracias!
[18:24] <jpds> De nada.
[19:50] <DanaG> har, Samsung fail: the backlight control on this netbook is BACKWARDS.
[21:05] <zzillezz> hello
[21:05] <zzillezz> any idea why my nvidia drivers don't want to install on lucid alpha2 (administration > hardware drivers)
[21:07] <yofel> zzillezz: jockey doesn't yet support the new driver packaging. You can install them from the command line (nvidia-current [190], nvidia-173, nvidia-96)
[21:07] <zzillezz> do i have to recompile the kernel after that ?
[21:07] <zzillezz> cause i just spent an hour to get my wifi to work :-p
[21:08] <yofel> no, the driver module will get compiled by dkms for the kernel you're currently using
[21:08] <zzillezz> alright, let's have a go
[21:08] <zzillezz> thanks yofel
[21:09] <yofel> you're welcome
[21:09] <zzillezz> hmm 'nvidia-current is already the newest version'
[21:10] <alex_mayorga> yofel, mind listing a step by step of what you just said? I also have an nvidia card here, but I'm sure as of now, there's no acceleration going on whatsoever
[21:11] <zzillezz> alex_mayorga, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[21:11] <zzillezz> but i doesn't seem to work for me
[21:13] <yofel> does 'aptitude reinstall nvidia-current' tell you anything?
[21:13] <alex_mayorga> Is it safe to try or would that cause major X damage?
[21:13] <zzillezz> busy removing all DKMS modules
[21:14] <zzillezz> you shouldn't ask questions like that if you're running lucid ;-)
[21:15] <alex_mayorga> zzillezz: I know, asking out of habit I guess :D
[21:16] <zzillezz> alright, i'm gonna reboot and see what happens
[21:16] <zzillezz> br
[21:16] <zzillezz> b
[21:19] <zzillezz> still no nvidia :(
[21:19] <zzillezz> do i have to run nvidia-xconfig ?
[21:20] <platius> I had to run nvidia-xconfig  to get it going
[21:21] <yofel> hm, the package should run that...
[21:21] <yofel> zzillezz: can you pastebin your xorg.conf? I'm curious...
[21:22] <zzillezz> nvidia-xconfig tells me that the file doesn't exist and that a new xorg.conf file has been written ...
[21:22] <yofel> o.O
[21:22] <yofel> okay, bjsnider, there?
[21:22] <zzillezz> damn nvidia ion chipset :-p
[21:24] <zzillezz> gonna try one last thing
[21:24] <bjsnider> yofel, yeah, what's the juice?
[21:24] <platius> That's what it told me ...
[21:24] <yofel> bjsnider: shouldn't the nvidia-current package run nvidia-xconfig when you install it?
[21:25] <platius> after it wrote xorg.conf I had to relogin
[21:25] <bjsnider> no
[21:25] <bjsnider> jockey does that
[21:25] <bjsnider> you need to have the nvidia driver in the xorg.conf file
[21:25] <bjsnider> nvidia-xconfig should be avoided anyway
[21:26] <zzillezz> success!
[21:26] <yofel> bjsnider: ok thx, didn't know that
[21:26] <zzillezz> i had to manually run nvidia-xconfig and reboot ...
[21:27] <bjsnider> nvidia-xconfig will add a bunch of useless crap about the keyboard and mouse
 nvidia-xconfig should be avoided anyway  -- is this a general statement or just about the actual state in lucid?
[21:27] <zzillezz> yeah, but what other solution was there ?
[21:27] <zzillezz> my graphics are working now
[21:28] <bjsnider> guntbert, that command is not updated as quickly as it should be, so i would avoid it unless i had a strange setup like dual monitors or whatever
[21:28] <guntbert> bjsnider: thanks
[21:28] <bjsnider> you want xorg.conf so point to the nvidia driver and the nologo option but that's all
[21:29] <bjsnider> in the karmic dev cycle people were using the nvidia-xconfig command to pooch their systems, because it was adding stuff that broke the x-server
[21:31] <zzillezz> now i only wish there was a native driver for my realtek 8192e wireless
[21:33] <zzillezz> for now ndiswrapper will have to do
[21:35] <duffydack> daily live installer just quits out during install.. just making a note.. i`ll use alpha2
[21:36] <zzillezz> flash is still flashplugin-nonfree ?
[21:49] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: what would be the fate for your "highly experimental" flash installer?
[21:55] <bjsnider> flash installer? what flash installer?
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: the 64 bit one, remember?
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: or it never existed :)
[22:00] <duffydack> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/search?q=64bit+flash&x=0&y=0
[22:02] <bjsnider> he can take the risk
[22:02] <duffydack> i been using it for a while..
[22:02] <bjsnider> i'll keep packaging it for my own private use
[22:04] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: I saw the PPA went away though, is that true?
[22:05] <bjsnider> i just disabled it
[22:06] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: fta is asking if you  are 64bis
[22:06] <bjsnider> i might enable it for a few minutes at a time for certain people to use and whatnot when there are updates
[22:06] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you meant he chrome issue? i are 64 bits yes i are
[22:06] <BUGabundo> thankas
[22:06] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: well thanks on putting that together
[22:07] <BUGabundo> crimsun: I'm without sound after last update
[22:07] <bjsnider> i'm 64-bits i am, 64-bits i am, i am.
[22:07] <zzillezz> battery life is not so great still in lucid :(
[22:08] <BUGabundo> crimsun: scratch that... it started working once I told you it wasnt!! got scared I guess
[22:08] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=32436
[22:08] <bjsnider> am i going to be able to open that?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:09] <BUGabundo> wfm
[22:10] <BUGabundo> (10:09:36 PM) fta: BUGabundo, supposedly fixed by r36625, the ppa has 4.0.303.0~svn20100120r36627
[22:10] <bjsnider> that page claims the bug is fixed
[22:11] <BUGabundo> so does fta
[22:11] <BUGabundo> but I'm still getting snaps
[22:11] <BUGabundo> FIXED
[22:12] <bjsnider> updating now
[22:13] <BUGabundo> restart ch after
[22:14] <bjsnider> fixed
[22:14] <bjsnider> seems to be anyway
[22:15] <flyguy97> I want to run a copy of lucid for testing my own packages, do I need to download a fresh copy of each of the alpha and beta iso's or will it automatically upgrade to the latest?
[22:16] <bjsnider> use today's livecd
[22:16] <bjsnider> !live
[22:16] <bjsnider> !daily
[22:17] <RAOF> The alphas and betas are convenient fictions; they're just (better tested) snapshots of the archive.  So, yes, it will automatically upgrade to the latest.
[22:17] <flyguy97> RAOF: Thank you!
[22:20] <bjsnider> RAOF, so you agree with me that there shouldn't be alphas and betas
[22:21] <RAOF> bjsnider: No, not at all.  Alphas and Betas are useful snapshots; they're *convenient* fictions.
[22:22] <RAOF> Alphas and Betas are tested-installable, which is more than you can say for an arbitrary daily CD.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:22] <BUGabundo> RAOF: but we are all testers
[22:23] <BUGabundo> if daily fails, report, and hope next one is fixed
[22:23] <RAOF> But people install much less often than they use their system, so installs are generally worse-tested than the general system.
[22:24] <BUGabundo> true
[22:24] <BUGabundo> hence the milestones
[22:24] <RAOF> Yes.
[22:24] <BUGabundo> two reasons : better installer test
[22:24] <BUGabundo> and to make milestones for code
[22:25] <bjsnider> the milestone is whenever the code is ready
[22:25] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:26] <bjsnider> and if the livecd is not installable on a certain day that's an occupational hazard of trying to install a development snapshot
[22:27] <RAOF> Milestones are also nice incentivising targets.
[22:55] <crimsun> BUGabundo: in the future, please be precise regarding what update
[22:55] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I really have no idea what you meant by "without sound after last update"
[22:55] <BUGabundo> crimsun: I always try, when I have extra info
[22:56] <BUGabundo> in this case, some of my last updates, from last 48h and a reboot, could have lead to no sound...
[22:56] <BUGabundo> but all of the sudden it started working
[22:56] <BUGabundo> with no apparent reason
[22:56] <crimsun> BUGabundo: but you didn't even provide the most basic info, e.g., "application X gives me no sound even though gnome-volume-control shows a recognized card and the volume is not zero or muted"
[22:56] <BUGabundo> not muted
[22:56] <BUGabundo> 1st thing I checked
[23:07] <bjsnider> in karmic i was able to play a high-bitrate dts file and an mp3 simultaneously with no glitches
[23:45] <simba_> so i just bought a new computer, and managed to hold out for 2 days with win7 before i tore of the "made for win7" and "win7 enhanced experience" stickers and installed lucid, just hope there will be a wacom driver soon :P
[23:49]  * yofel still has the 'Designed for Windows XP' sticker on his EeePC. Let's see how long it holds, the vista sticker on the notebook was unreadable after a month ^^
[23:50] <bjsnider> simba_, wait a minute, you mean you don't want to use the excellent windows operating system?
[23:50] <ripps> Does anybody know if it would be possible to write an application indicator for irssi?
[23:50]  * genii carefully peels off his "Made for Vista" stickers
[23:51] <RAOF> ripps: It would be, yes, but I'm not sure how easy it'd be.
[23:51] <simba_> bjsnider, I gave it an honnest try, but i got tired of waiting for everything
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> I stuck the "made for Vista" sticker of a new monitor on a microwave, since the microwave's interface is more retarded than the interface of the 20-year-old microwave that just died on us
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> the microwave is unintuitive and the LCD has an atrocious view-angle range
[23:54] <genii> JontheEchidna: I have a collection of these kinds of stickers that I put on out refridgerator :)
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> the microwave deserved this one :P
[23:54]  * yofel likes his refrigerator, he put a linux sticker on it :P
[23:59]  * BUGabundo has only a nvidia sticker.... no other sticker came on laptop... brought with NO OS.  front cover has a Ubuntu sticker