[00:33] Ubuntu 9.10 logs me out after about 30 min when I am play solitaire [00:33] Ubuntu 9.04 does not [00:34] froggy1: is it this? bug 503428 [00:34] Launchpad bug 503428 in gnome-games "Ubuntu 9.1 crashes while running aisleriot solitaire (dup-of: 450832)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503428 [00:34] Launchpad bug 450832 in ubuntu "X logout while playing aisleriot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450832 [00:34] Installed on a Dell Dimension E520 [00:34] thanks === Hellow_ is now known as Hellow === mrooney_ is now known as mrooney [02:40] hggdh, ping [02:40] nigel_nb: pong [02:40] hggdh, would be free this saturday? [02:41] 1700 UTC [02:41] nigel_nb: I do not know right now -- it is probable I will have work during the weekend, but I do not know yet when (customer decides) [02:41] did you hear about user days? [02:42] but 1700 UTC sounds pretty good in terms of *not* having work [02:42] yes [02:42] I'm taking a class on "Using Launchpad", which does include reporting bugs [02:42] at 1700? [02:42] yep [02:42] I will be there. #ubuntu-classroom, I guess [02:42] I'll be modifying an old class for reporting bugs, it would be nice to have someone around to help with answering questions [02:43] yes, np. 1700UTC translates to 1100 CST. At this time, production is still running at the customer [02:43] so, no upgrade possible [02:43] oh, great :) [02:45] so you'll be around to help with questions? [03:01] yes, I will [03:03] nigel_nb: ^ [03:04] hggdh, great :), sorry, was tied in user days meeting too! [03:04] np. [03:04] g'night to all y'all [03:05] night hggdh :) === asac_ is now known as asac === fddfoo is now known as fdd === ikt|sleep is now known as ikt_ === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [08:59] morning [13:26] hugday tomorrow? thought it was Tuesdays [13:28] xteejx, kernel hug days are on Tuesdays [13:28] the others on Thursday, that's since a couple of years [13:28] pedro_: Ohh. Has it been a week since g-p-m hugday already?? [13:28] ahah [13:29] xteejx, yeah!, are you going to be around tomorrow? you did an awesome job and the g-p-m one ;-) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:49] Woohoo I'm on the 5 a day stats :D [13:49] biggest streak hahhaa [13:53] super! xteejx :) [13:53] kamusin: I should be able to help tomorrow [13:54] well, I will see you there then :) [13:56] :D [14:12] Aargh! The Bug Supervisor for ubuntu-translations is subscribed to all ubuntu-translations bugs since it's the bug supervisor. This means that Ubuntu Bug Control gets all these mails as well! [14:12] I'll try to contact dpm [14:35] qense: I did wonder why ubuntu-bugcontrol emails kept containing translation stuff [14:35] dpm has requested a maillist and when that's created it will be set as a contact address for the ubuntu-translations bug supervisor team, that should solve the problem [14:36] qense: And then I assume it's a per-person option whether to sign up or not? [14:36] The maillist will go via lists.ubuntu.com, so it's up to you to sign-up [14:36] Cool [14:37] It's policy to not create Ubuntu maillists on LP, bugcontrol is probably the exception because of the permission things [14:38] I see [15:27] Hi all, I'm looking at bug #510073 which is about screen shots and was filed against Nautilus: can someone confirm whether Nautilus is the right package please? [15:27] Launchpad bug 510073 in nautilus ""take screenshot" of current window doesn't work properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510073 [15:28] wow, first time I see the robot answering *before* the question! [15:29] hggdh: hehehe. you're lagged. I show 1 second. [15:30] bloody wifi! [15:30] brunogirin: no, Nautilus does not sounds correct [15:31] gnome-utils sound right? [15:32] brunogirin: screen shot bugs appear to belong in gnome-utils [15:32] Since the user did not specify what is being run (Gnome/XFCE), run 'alacarte', and find what programme is called by the "Take a screenshot' entry [15:32] brunogirin: mrand is probably right [15:33] * mrand investigates alacarte. hadn't heard of that. [15:33] mrand, hggdh: yes sounds right, searching for screen shot in the upstream tracker shows that they are mostly reported against gnome-utils [15:34] I'll change to gnome-utils and forward upstream, thanks [15:34] mrand: alacarte is the Gnome menu editor. Since I never know where it will be shown in the Gnome menu, I usually run it by hand [15:35] * hggdh hates this idea of masking out the name of the binary in the menu [15:35] brunogirin: thank you. Nice to see you here, BTW [15:35] hggdh: neat util. It actually answers a question I had last night... graphical interface for changing menu icons. Found the underlieing text config in /usr/share/applications [15:39] mrand: indeed. Just be careful -- not all that is shown (usually as unselected) is meant to be shown at all; so, select carefully, so that you can unselect later on ;-) [15:39] BUGabundo_remote: boa tarde [15:39] hey hggdh [15:40] mrand: ah, nowadays is Preferences/Main Menu [15:52] hggdh: thanks, I thought I'd come say hello and triage some bugs while work is being slow this pm :-) [15:52] brunogirin: please be our guest! We do appreciate the help :-) [15:55] hggdh: hmm.. would it be ok if i started early on the hug day bugs? [15:56] of course it is OK! [15:56] vish: please do start early ;-) [15:56] ;) [15:58] * vish happened to know of a two bugs listed are a dup and what the problem is :) [16:08] anybody know what package to install in Karmic as an FTP daemon? trying to reproduce an FTP related bug [16:10] ignore the previous message: user error, can't read properly :-) [16:16] brunogirin: anyway, there are many different FTP servers available... [16:20] hggdh: yes I guess, I was just trying to follow the server guide that suggest using vsftpd but couldn't spell that properly when running apt-get, all sorted now [16:45] could someone set Bug #460144 to triaged/low ? [16:45] Launchpad bug 460144 in notify-osd "nm applet doesn't close notification when it is obsolete" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460144 [16:47] vish, is it both a nm and notify-osd problem? [16:47] bcurtiswx: both might need a change [16:47] thats what mirco mentioned [16:48] ok, i will change both then. one sec [16:49] vish, done [16:49] ty [16:50] yup, np === atrus_ is now known as atrus [17:26] hggdh: #ubuntu-pt sff [17:28] Bug #439864 can be set to triaged/wishlist [17:28] Launchpad bug 439864 in network-manager-applet "No tooltips on nm-applet if not already connected to a network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439864 [17:38] could someone set Bug #401237 and Bug #439864 to triaged/wishlist ? [17:38] Launchpad bug 401237 in network-manager-applet "Feature request: network manager should be able to select multiple wireless connections for deletion" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401237 [17:38] Launchpad bug 439864 in network-manager-applet "No tooltips on nm-applet if not already connected to a network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439864 [17:40] vish, done and done [17:40] ty [17:49] bug 485041 triaged [17:49] Launchpad bug 485041 in network-manager-applet "Order of available wireless networks should be by strength, not alphabetical." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485041 [17:51] yofel, done [18:18] Bug #439172 and Bug #386407 triaged/wishlist bugs [18:18] Launchpad bug 439172 in network-manager-applet "nm-applet icon blurry on 25+ pixel panel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439172 [18:18] Launchpad bug 386407 in network-manager-applet "Applet applies 'Auto' as a prefix to all Network Names" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386407 [18:23] vish 439172 done [18:24] ty [18:24] 386407 also done [18:40] ty , also Bug #496096 is triaged/wishlist [18:40] Launchpad bug 496096 in network-manager-applet "pop up the network manager dialogue if the user is trying to connect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496096 [18:45] vish, done [18:46] ty.. heh i think i'm done for today ;) ... [18:49] * hggdh bows, grateful [18:56] bug 306878 whishlist/triaged [18:56] Launchpad bug 306878 in network-manager-applet "Make it clear you've changed the /etc/network/interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/306878 [18:57] yofel: done. [18:57] thx [18:58] yofel, vish: when are you going to apply for bug-control? [18:58] hehe , hggdh getting frustrated of us ? ;p [18:58] :-) [18:58] no, I am not, not at all. I just think you are qualified [18:59] * hggdh is actually *very* happy with their work [19:00] hggdh: i was thinking of applying.. but my karma is highly misleading than my actual good bug work ;) that is what worries me :( [19:02] vish: karma's basically icing on the cake, it's the cake that's really looked at ;) [19:03] :) ah.. well. i better send the form ... ;) [19:03] vish: micahg is absolutely correct. If it were for karma, I would be way down on the list ;-) [19:04] * micahg didn't want to be the one to say it ;)( [19:04] LOL [19:19] hggdh / micahg hmm , after i apply for bug control , should i wait for an application or just send a mail to the list? [19:19] apply in lp* [19:19] vish, send your application to the bugcontrol list [19:19] pedro_: ah , thanks [19:20] vish, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl [19:20] you're welcome [19:20] pedro_: yeah, the first line can be removed i guess > "Apply: to the Ubuntu Bug Control team and send the the Ubuntu Bug Control team application you will receive to ubuntu-bugcontrol AT lists.launchpad.net" [19:21] vish, good catch, that needs to be updated [19:21] neat === ikt is now known as ikt|sleep === ikt|sleep is now known as ikt [19:37] pedro_: Thanks for doing bug 509866 [19:37] Launchpad bug 509866 in empathy "[lucid] empathy window resizes while typing in IRC" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509866 [19:38] xteejx, no problem ;-) === astechgeek is now known as Guest45568 [20:55] Does apport-collect work in hardy, intrepid and jaunty? If so, does it work the same as now, i.e. apport-collect -p linux ####, haven't seen anything on the wiki about this [20:56] it does work in jaunty afaik, not sure about hardy and intrepid [20:57] * yofel *hates* the launchpad bug query... [20:57] took me ages to find 5 bugs for my bug-control application, should have kept a list of them -.- [20:58] Of all the bug systems that I've used, launchpad is my least favorite. [20:58] Think we could move Ubuntu bugs somewhere else? :-) [21:00] hehe [21:00] heh, depends, does bugzilla have e-mail interaction? (the debian BTS is indeed best in this) [21:01] yofel, finding bugs you worked on isn't that hard though... generally: advanced search, then put your username in the "commented" field. Probably wise to click on most of the status boxes. [21:02] mrand: yes, but after a year of having worked on bugs finding the ones you actually triaged yourself is a bit time consuming if the search returns ~500 hits :P [21:02] yeah, understood. [21:03] yofel: You could've just done an advanced search [21:03] now that you mention it... [21:03] * yofel hits the head on the table [21:03] xteejx: hardy doesn't work the same as jaunty and karmic [21:03] aaargh [21:04] xteejx: you have to not use the -p for karmic [21:04] ( no "-p" for 8.10 and later) [21:04] So apport-collect doesn't work at all? [21:05] I have -p in lucid, and had the option in karmic.... [21:05] -p --package works in karmic/lucid, but the manpage doesn't mention it [21:05] oops [21:06] my mistake, that is for adding. I think it is missing in jaunty and intrepid, isn't it? [21:06] I just tried it, it said its deprecated do not use it, but doesn't stop me [21:06] Seems like a lot of stuff is being deprecated now [21:07] So H/I/J I can ask them to apport-collect the report then with no problems? [21:07] Everythings being taken out, even the bloody games its silly [21:07] I don't think so. I think it was only karmic, wasn't it? [21:09] With apport-collect you mean? [21:09] I don't know. [21:12] yes, I think apport-collect was only in karmic, it never got backported [21:13] You're kidding? I would've thought it would be, since the others are supported, and technically we still fix them/ [21:15] apport-collect does exist in jaunty afaik, at least the kernel debugging policy has an apport-collect line for jaunty [21:15] Hmm... so much for easy triage for LTS lol [21:16] hey, lucid will have easy triage :P [21:16] booting jaunty now === komputes_ubuntu is now known as komputes [21:20] xteejx: it will work in jaunty [21:42] xteejx: it was one of my bugsquad meeting items that was pushed off [21:48] micahg: Sorry, multitasking, what did you mean? [21:49] On the meeting agenda: Backporting of newest apport (if possible) to all stable releases (in concept) -- micahg [21:49] That would be a great idea if possible [21:50] well probably discuss it either in Feb or March [21:50] *we'll [21:50] Is the bs meeting monthly I take it? [21:50] xteejx: heh, yeah [21:50] xteejx: agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting [21:51] :( What about a suggestion on the UBS mailing list? === cyphermo1 is now known as cyphermox [21:51] fgs my evolution keeps crashing, it's darkscreened, don't know how to report it [21:52] ubuntu-bug won't do anything there's no hook for evolution, and apport won't kick in [21:56] i.e. is it possible to get a backtrace for a running program? [21:58] xteejx: sure, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace [21:58] micahg: I don't know how to reproduce it, it happened randomly... [21:59] micahg: Keep it running under gdb until it happens? [21:59] xteejx: first of all, you will need a series of dbgsyms [22:00] I know how to get the dbg packages and run under gdb control, but if I don't know to reproduce it, can I just leave it running under gdb's control until it happens? [22:00] the easiest way to get them is by kill-11 `pidof evolution`. This will cause Evo to die on a SEGV, and apport will kick in. Go with it, but do not open a bug (stop there). Then run 'sudo apport-retrace -o trash /var/crash/evo-crash' [22:00] this will make apport install all needed dbgsyms [22:01] and yes, you can run it under gdb until it happens again [22:01] hggdh, it's ok I know how to get the dbgsyms :) [22:01] cool [22:01] xteejx: there are a *LOT* of libraries used by Evo... [22:02] so better off doing your way, as it will do it all? [22:02] indeed [22:02] ahh ok :) [22:02] :-) [22:02] hggdh, you're too clever :D [22:02] no, I am not. I am just lazy ;-) [22:02] hahaha :P [22:05] hggdh: "report file does not contain one of the required fields: CoreDump Package ExecutablePath" [22:06] oh. run '/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -c '. You must allow apport-gtk to go up to asking to find a dup [22:06] only then it rewrites the crashfile with the sections [22:06] so report problem, but go no further? [22:06] yes [22:06] ahhh [22:07] it will load the thingies to the librarian, but such is life [22:07] but they're not attached to anything so meh :) [22:08] yeah [22:08] WARNING: package <> not available [22:09] no problem. The coverage is not complete, but the most important ones will be there. Hopefully. [22:09] and manually select and install those i assume? [22:10] if apport-retrace did not find them, they are not accessible from your sources.list (or simply do not exist) [22:11] unless it is one of the major system libraries -- libglib*, for example -- usually you do not need to worry. [22:14] its not working :( [22:14] then, in those cases, you will usually find a .dbg (instead of a .dbgsym) [22:14] ahh [22:14] what is not working? [22:14] It's just bitching at me [22:16] gdb came up with Reading symbols from /usr/bin/evolution...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/evolution...done. [22:16] (no debugging symbols found)...done. [22:16] but it seems ok now, the terminal is showing DEBUG everywhere [22:16] ** (evolution:6706): DEBUG: Number of email accounts: 1 [22:16] ** (evolution:6706): DEBUG: EI: SHELL STARTUP [22:16] yes, this is normal [22:17] might even help in pinpointing the problem [22:17] now, after 'r', forget the terminal (but do not close it;-) until you hit the issue [22:18] of course :D [22:18] hopefully it'll crash again (can't believe I said that!!) [22:20] Evo is mean. Now that you are running under gdb, it will not crash. [22:24] hggdh, I have a strange feeling that's exactly what's going to happen :( [22:24] Not particularly surprised. Been there with Evo before. [22:25] hggdh, it's that nasty code sequence " if () = you && <> then $work [22:25] line 666 I believe :P [22:28] Evo also uses IFD -- Improvised Fault Device, blowing out on unexpected places. Very effective, on my experience [22:28] hehehehe [22:39] It hasn't crashed!!!!! grrrrr [22:40] Hi all, why am I not allowed to access bug 441730? [22:40] trijntje: Bug 441730 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/441730 is private [22:41] my bugreport is marked as a duplicate of that bug. How can I check if any information is missing if that bugreport is private? [22:41] trijntje: I can't access it either [22:41] anyone with LP superpowers? [22:43] micahg: I guess will have to be at #launchpad... [22:44] trijntje: maybe the retracer never finished with the original bug [22:44] I've had that happen before on one of mine, the auto retrace failed [22:45] I dont understand, how can I see that report to make sure not information is missing? [22:46] trijntje: you can't unfortunately [22:46] For now you can't [22:47] hm, wouldnt it be better to mark the private bug as a duplicate? That way more people can contribute to solving the issue [22:49] You can't because you can't access it. This sometimes happens when the retracing system crashes half way through a retrace, leaving the bug locked off [22:50] xteejx, are you talking to me? Because I cant follow you :P [22:50] Yes [22:50] You can't mark a bug a dupe if you can't access it [22:51] xteejx, no, someone else marked my bug as a duplicate of the private bug [22:51] Ohhh [22:51] trijntje: what was your buig? [22:51] Well that's silly, how do they know it's a duplicate if they can't access it?? [22:51] vish: you are vishoo, right? [22:51] bug number? [22:52] 509595 [22:52] bug 509595 [22:52] bug 509595 [22:52] micahg: Bug 509595 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/509595 is private [22:52] haha [22:52] xteejx: Bug 509595 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/509595 is private [22:52] micahg: joshuahoover [22:53] I think he's a member of the upstream project [22:53] my guess is the bug is private in anotehr project [22:53] that's why we can't see it [22:53] He still wouldn't have access would he? [22:53] xteejx: he would since he's a member of the upstream project :) [22:53] Ohh I see [22:53] ubot4 is wrong, bug 509595 is not private [22:53] he who? [22:53] trijntje: Bug 509595 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/509595 is private [22:53] the ubuntuone-client is ours though... [22:53] trijntje: the bot's DB is a little behind [22:54] Should be upstream linked or something surely [22:54] xteejx: the later bug was against our package, the other one is probably against the upstream project [22:55] * micahg thought we had a process for that now... [22:55] So, an upstream tracked in LP I'm guessing, thought there was a procedure for that? [22:55] it's bug 441730 that is private. ubot 4 seems to have gotten confused. [22:55] hggdh: Bug 441730 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/441730 is private [22:55] 509595 is also private, bug control only [22:55] hggdh: no, the bot's DB is a little out of date [22:55] oh, OK [22:55] oops, no its not, dont worry [22:56] I thought we weren't supposed to dupe bugs cross-project for these reasons? [22:57] xteejx: no, I thought the process was to add an ubuntu task to the upstream bug [22:57] that would make more sense :P [22:57] hggdh: maybe private upstream bugs need a different policy [22:58] maybe the upstream project is private? who knows what's going on there, could be anything hehe [23:00] bloody evo STILL hasnt crashed.... think I'll leave it hggdh [23:00] We're definitely right about that mailicious gdb-searching code ;) [23:02] xteejx: no, I think the upstream bug is private, not the project [23:02] Ahh ok [23:08] I'm off for the night guys [23:10] See you tomorrow at BugDay peeps, night :) [23:14] hm, the link to the progress graph on the bugday page is broken [23:14] * yofel goes fixing that...