[00:00] rickspencer3: Whenever you're ready. [00:00] TheMuso`, almost done updating the wiki [00:03] ok [00:04] TheMuso`, I updated the wiki [00:04] * rickspencer3 notices that robert_ancell is gone :( [00:05] rickspencer3: ok [00:07] Re audioo, theres no real change since last week, appart from the crack of the day alsa-driver packages being in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA now, and a new bugfix snapshot of pulseaudio being in lucid, that was crimsun's call. [00:07] TheMuso`, did that snapshot need coordination with the kernel at all? [00:07] rickspencer3: No.,' [00:08] rickspencer3: Just has bugfixes since 0.9.21 in it. === TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso [00:08] ok [00:08] * robert_ancell rushes in [00:08] hi robert_ancell [00:08] rickspencer3, TheMuso, hi [00:08] so, I put the wiki for the meeting today in teh wrong year :( [00:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-01-19 [00:09] as bryyce just pointed out to me [00:09] heh [00:09] heya all [00:09] bryyce, keeping the second y? [00:09] robert_ancell, yyeah [00:09] broken keyboard :) [00:10] * rickspencer3 fixes [00:10] too busyy to sort it out [00:10] heh [00:10] rickspencer3: I'm very, very conservative with userspace uploads that touch core audio components. For example, the actual upstream stable-queue branch only recently gained all the fixes we've carried. [00:10] * rickspencer3 drums fingers waiting for wiki to save [00:11] thanks crimsun [00:12] robert_ancell, so, if you look at the meeting minutes, you may find that you are mentioned there [00:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-01-19 [00:12] :) [00:12] * robert_ancell reading... [00:13] * robert_ancell still wating to load... [00:13] * robert_ancell ... [00:14] oh I see [00:14] not exactly going fast today, is it? [00:14] nope [00:14] rickspencer3, in the past when we've had wiki be sluggish, there was something mdz or the IT team did which suddenly sped it up (dunno what) [00:15] maybe restart the webserver or clear a cache or something. might be worth inquiring about if it stays slow for a while [00:15] anywho, robert_ancell, thoughts about dedicating a week to gnome-panel speed up? [00:15] bryyce, ack, will do [00:15] rickspencer3, fine by me [00:15] great [00:16] robert_ancell, I was going to suggest the week that we are sprinting [00:17] ok, so let's see [00:17] works for me [00:18] btw, hopefully not too OT, but has anyone successfully installed the virtual box guest extensions in a Lucid guest on a Karmic host? [00:18] robert_ancell, TheMuso looking over the wiki, I guess the only thing to call out is that I am pretty concerned about startup speed [00:18] I'm getting compile errors when trying to install them :( [00:19] right [00:19] Nafai, we're in a meeting at the moment, and -desktop doesn't maintain vbox so another channel might be more appropriate for your question [00:19] TheMuso, robert_ancell sorry the Eastern Edition was a bit disjointed [00:19] rickspencer3: np [00:19] any comments, questions about the minutes? [00:20] Not from me. [00:20] bryyce: sorry, thanks [00:20] nope [00:20] TheMuso, I assigned a bug to you last week, apparantly an accessability related script was failing at install time [00:20] do you recall what happened to it? [00:22] rickspencer3: Yes, its taken care of, twas partly a packaging bug, and partly a python-central bug. [00:23] thanks TheMuso [00:23] np [00:23] that's it from me, unless you guys have other business? [00:23] no [00:24] robert_ancell, any other business? [00:24] rickspencer3, no [00:25] robert_ancell, have you made gnome-panel go fast yet? [00:25] j/k [00:25] rickspencer3, no, I left that for you to do :) [00:25] well, I keep making threats, but I think it knows they are empty threats [00:25] rickspencer3, btw photobomb looks good [00:25] as a manager, I don't have much more recourse [00:26] photobomb :) [00:26] have you tried it? [00:26] I was quite surprised to see it actually worked on a computer that I didn't develop it on [00:26] even the web cam [00:26] not yet, I was thinking of integrating scanning support... And then I remembered a new years resolution to stop trying to do too many things at once :) [00:27] have you integrated it into f-spot yet? [00:27] oh, I took a Dell mini on my holidays and used F-Spot exclusively. Not a great experience [00:30] hmmm [00:30] integrated *into* f-spot? [00:30] hmm, I see it as a very different app [00:31] it's just supposed to be for fun [00:31] I mean, able to pull photos from your photo collection. I guess they're not well enough tagged. [00:31] my target audience is my 10 year old daughter [00:31] oh [00:31] It would be cool to "put in a photo of dad" [00:31] hmmm [00:32] so there is a tag database that you can just query? [00:32] aren't the tags part of the photo header? [00:32] I think it's all in an sqlite db [00:33] like rhythmbox, you have tags in the mp3s and rhythmbox also contains a database of them [00:33] I guess I could look for the database, and it's there, search that [00:33] if it's not, I could just grovel through the images in Pictures [00:33] I'm hoping they'd have an API but dunno [00:34] well, if it's sql, there is always "SELECT * FROM " [00:35] hmm.. it sounds like an actual use case for tracker - I guess it's the first one ;) [00:35] lol [00:35] not really [00:35] tbh, I think it works well to just look in the Pictures directory ;) [00:36] what I really want is Gwibber integration [00:36] I think photobomb really wants to get pictures from your feeds and to send them to FB (as well as your feeds) [00:55] chrisccoulson: i think i've figured out why suspend/hibernate don't poke open the screensaver upon resuming. [00:55] hyperair - cool [00:55] what do you think the issue is? [00:56] it's difficult for me to investigate issues like that, as my machine doesn't resume :P [00:56] chrisccoulson: the problem is that gpm removed any method of manually triggering a suspend/hibernate without the suspend key. [00:56] hence everything connects directly to dkp [00:56] gnome-do does, and so does indicator-session [00:56] ah yes, of course [00:56] yeah, so it bypasses gpm completely [00:57] i think what's needed is for gpm to reintroduce the interface. [00:57] g-p-m isn't going to reintroduce the interface. what we really need is to be able to hook on to suspend / resume events via devkit-power-gobject [00:57] hmm [00:57] i see. [00:58] that makes sense. [00:58] then we can get rid of all these silly hooks everywhere to lock / unlock screensavers / keyrings etc [00:58] yes, i agree. [00:58] gnome-screensaver could just listen for the events and lock / unlock as appropriate [00:58] ah yes. you're very right. [00:58] thanks for spotting that though [00:58] np [00:58] although it's not an easy one to fix unfortunately [00:59] since i've dug through gpm code recently, it's only natural for me to continue poking around with easy-to-reach bugs [00:59] heh, thanks [00:59] fix as many as possible while it stays fresh =p [00:59] so i guess the issue has to be forwarded to dkp upstream? [01:00] or has the issue been brought up before? [01:00] i've noticed that g-p-m has a mountain of bugs. it could really use some effort from someone to go through those, see which ones are still relevant and triage some of the untouched ones etc [01:00] right [01:00] i think the issue has been bought up before, when we had to add a hook in gnome-session for locking the screensaver [01:00] i was actually sifting through pm-utils bugs when i stumbled across a lot of these gpm ones though [01:00] and the session applet has similar code as well, which is just silly [01:00] session applet? [01:01] the indicator-session menu [01:01] ah [01:01] indicator-session [01:01] yeah, i saw [01:10] chrisccoulson: could you file the bug upstream? i think you've a clearer idea about what needs to be done for dkp regarding the new signals. [01:10] hyperair - yeah, no problem. [01:10] chrisccoulson: thanks. [01:10] i'll have to look at that in the morning though, as i'm going to bed shortly [01:11] g'night chrisccoulson [01:12] sure [01:12] good night [01:12] 'night rickspencer and hyperair [01:38] * Nafai tries to figure out how to get this building in a pbuilder [03:22] okay, got that working === asac_ is now known as asac [07:47] good morning [08:26] Good morning [08:27] hey pitti [08:36] bonjour didrocks, how are you? [08:37] hey there === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [08:37] bonjour seb128 [08:37] pitti: good, thanks, and you? :) [08:37] salut seb128! [08:37] c'est bon [08:38] hey pitti didrocks! === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:51] hey chrisccoulson [08:51] hey seb128, how are you? [08:52] good thank [08:52] how are you? [08:52] yeah, not too bad thanks. a little less tired today [08:54] good [08:54] chrisccoulson: still trouble sleeping? [08:54] chrisccoulson: good morning [08:55] hey pitti. i don't really have trouble sleeping - it's just that i normally stay up far too late ;) [08:55] i struggle getting to bed once i've started something [08:57] I guess everyone has that problem [08:57] I've it too for sure [08:57] if I try, my brain just keeps working :) [08:58] heh :) [08:59] pitti - do you know if devkit-power-gobject is likely to grow any signalling for suspend / resume events any time soon? [09:00] it seems we have to have hacks in lots of places at the moment to deal with things which should happen at suspend/resume [09:00] eg, locking the screensaver ;) [09:00] hey njpatel_ [09:04] morning seb128 [09:06] hey njpatel_, good morning [09:07] morning pitti [09:07] hey njpatel_, chrisccoulson [09:08] hey didrocks === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel [09:09] didrocks, hey dude -- did you get an updated wncksync package yesterday? [09:10] njpatel: I got an updated tarball yes, the package is near to be ready. I'll work on that this afternoon [09:11] didrocks, awesome, thanks [09:16] njpatel, do we need the gnome-desktop patch which is in this source too btw? [09:16] hmm, how do I copy a lucid package in the same ppa to karmic? [09:16] lp doesn't let me do that [09:16] rodrigo_, you can't, it's the other way around [09:17] oh [09:17] you need to upload to karmic and copy to lucid [09:17] grr [09:17] since lucid binaries will have newer depends, ie pick the new gtk etc [09:17] so you can't make sure it works on karmic [09:17] the other way around works [09:17] seb128, Ideally, it would make the matching a bit better for those applications still using libgnome-desktop [09:18] seb128, ok [09:18] njpatel, do you want to get that change in lucid? [09:18] njpatel, in which case could somebody open a bug in launchpad and GNOME for tracking? [09:19] seb128, I think we do -- but I'll ask DBO to make sure [09:19] ok thanks [09:19] tseliot, hey [09:20] hi seb128 [09:20] tseliot, I didn't manage to test gdm without those changes [09:20] I can't get a working xorg without those [09:20] tseliot, but booting without splash workaround the issue [09:21] seb128: ok, I'll look more into this issue then [09:22] it's a first boot thing only [09:22] ie if I restart gdm it works [09:22] and happens only when using plymouth [09:22] let me know if you need extra details [09:22] tseliot, thanks [09:22] seb128: do you know what code is used in gdm for guest sessions and user switching? [09:23] no [09:23] but pitti might know better [09:23] ok [09:28] tseliot, one thing I changed after comments on #ubuntu-x is to make gdm call initctl with the directory specified since it's not in the path and that leaded to an error [09:29] but that seems to not be enough to fix the issue there [09:29] hello & good morning [09:29] hey baptistemm [09:30] seb128: user switching and first time login are _mostly_ the same: it fires up an X server, launches a mini GNOME-session (gdm-simple-slave), and then runs the user session in that x server [09:30] sorry, tseliot ^ [09:31] tseliot: there is one important difference, however: on first start, gdm forces the X server to start on vt7 (to not race with getty), on subsequent starts X.org automatically picks the next free one [09:31] seb128: when X was acting up, could you confirm that it was indeed running on VT7? I think I once had a case where X was on VT1 [09:31] it was [09:32] I get xorg running on vt7 [09:32] and apparently the new server tries to open the same vt [09:32] ok [09:32] chrisccoulson got 2 xorgs on vt7 [09:32] seems that there the second xorg fails and I get a text vt over xorg [09:33] heh, yeah, 2 xorgs on the same VT was pretty strange [09:43] pitti: ok, thanks [09:52] pitti, seb128: what do you think about the "let's user choose the default session on gdmsetup"? As most of user will have already been logged in once, they won't use that feature. I'm afraid of receving tons of bugs "selecting session on gdmsetup is not working" as we won't change ~/.dmrc [09:53] didrocks: it would be nice to get it into gdmsetup, but it's more like a bonus; you can always log out and set it in gdm itself [09:54] pitti: don't you think user will confuse "default session when you haven't logged in one yet" (which is what gdmsetup does) and "my previous session in ~/.dmrc"? [09:54] ah, that's what you mean [09:54] but does that happen? [09:54] i. e. does it really write .dmrc if you didn't change anything? [09:55] (if so, we should fix that) [09:55] hum, good point, not sure [09:55] I'll make some tests [09:55] seb128: ah, on the dupe retracer crashing again, I see what it's complaining about [09:55] speaking of default session there is a bug about "using failsafe once should not mean it should became default" [09:55] ok, so, this dialog will only be useful is the user doesn't change anything session related [09:55] if somebody wants to fix it... ;-) [09:56] pitti, ok [09:56] seb128: I can have a look at the same time. what is the bug #. [09:56] ? [09:58] pitti: Hello [09:58] hey mat_t, how's it going? [09:58] pitti: hey, not too bad, you? [09:59] I'm great, thanks [09:59] good to hear :) [09:59] pitti: will you have time for a very quick call this morning? [10:00] pitti: got couple of questions re mp3 codecs installation process [10:00] * hyperair wonders what black magic was needed to get xorg running on vt1 [10:00] mat_t: in something like an hour? [10:00] pitti: sure, perfect! [10:00] you can ask on the channel too [10:00] I don't think pitti is the one who know most about that [10:00] without offense for you pitti ;-) [10:00] seb128: :) [10:01] it''s rather a slomo mvo thing [10:01] seb128 is right [10:01] I can probably reply too [10:01] seb128: I see - thanks :) [10:02] seb128: basically, I'm now testing what happens when the user double-clicks on the mp3 file on a clean install of alpha 2 [10:02] seb128: or if they try to import the file into rhythmbox [10:02] seb128: and I'm getting some strange errors, basically failing to install the codecs [10:03] didrocks, bug #509182 [10:03] Launchpad bug 509182 in gdm "(wishlist) selecting failsafe session becomes default for future logins, but should not" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509182 [10:03] didrocks, ^ the bug number [10:03] mat_t, what error exactly? [10:03] mat_t, do you get the code install application triggering? [10:03] seb128: hold on, let me paste you a screenshot [10:04] seb128: first problem is that the file is being opened in Totem by default, rather than in Rhythmbox [10:04] that's not a problem nor a bug [10:04] totem is a play quickly once software [10:05] it's what you want to have a quick look to movie or song [10:05] rhythmbox is slow to start and will import the song [10:05] I don't want to import the song I downloaded usually, I click on those to see if it's good etc [10:05] and it if it is I move it to my music collection [10:06] seb128: thanks [10:06] well we might disagree on that [10:06] but it's by design right now [10:06] ok I see [10:06] anyhow [10:06] http://uploadpie.com/CYMvF [10:06] seb128: ^ [10:07] do you have universe enable? [10:07] we can't distribute those codecs for legal reasons [10:07] seb128: It's a clean install of alpha 2 [10:07] did you enable universe in the software sources? [10:07] without any mods [10:07] is the box connected to internet? [10:07] did you get a sources update since install? [10:07] mvo, ^ [10:08] I'm getting the same error regardless whether it is connected or not [10:08] mat_t: hi, hm - could you please do me a favor and run "sudo apt-get update" and test it again? [10:08] and I literally installed Ubuntu and run it, did not enable/disable anything [10:09] mvo: sure [10:09] mat_t: I suspect the problem is that universe is enabled, but apt-get update was not run yet, the files are not on the livefs [10:09] mat_t: there is a bug open about this, it caused issues with software-center as well for karmic [10:09] mat_t: let me search for the bugnumber [10:09] mvo: ok, cool [10:09] * mat_t runs apt-get update [10:10] I can confirm it finds things to install there [10:10] so the codec installer is not broken [10:10] it's likely an universe source issue [10:12] mvo: seb128: ok, it works after running apt-get update [10:13] bug #105511 [10:13] Launchpad bug 105511 in livecd-rootfs "Universe and Multiverse not enabled by default on the livecd" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105511 [10:14] mat_t: could you still please file a bug -I think we need some code in the codec installer to notice this [10:15] mvo: ok, will do [10:15] mvo: what is the package I should file the bug against? [10:16] mat_t: please use gnome-codec-installer for now [10:16] ok, thanks mvo! [10:16] mat_t: I will reassign if needed - and give me the bugnumber once its there so that I can put it on my radar [10:16] sure [10:16] * mvo has a much smaller radar than say seb128 [10:16] lol [10:16] :) [10:16] * seb128 hugs mvo [10:17] :) [10:17] * mvo hugs seb128 [10:20] mvo: oops, gnome-codec-installer doesn't seem to exist... [10:21] install [10:21] thx :) [10:32] mvo: bug #510033 [10:32] Launchpad bug 510033 in gnome-codec-install "It's not possible to install mp3 codecs on a fresh install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510033 [10:33] thanks mat_t [10:33] np :) [10:57] seb128: are you getting 2 xservers on the same vt too or was it only chrisccoulson? [10:57] only chrisccoulson [10:58] it looks like the second xserver fails to start there [10:58] so I get the text vt over xorg [10:59] with a mouse cursor, right? [10:59] yes [10:59] ok [10:59] I get the mouse cursors on all vts [10:59] ie switching to vt1, 2 etc [10:59] it's still there [11:01] my guess is that nothing stopped X and gdm is saving the content of the vt and is using it as a background [11:02] it should be possible to reproduce this only with -ati and -inteò [11:02] intel [11:03] tseliot - this was from my machine last night: http://paste.ubuntu.com/359153/ [11:04] i had bits of both users desktops on the same VT, with 2 working mouse cursors [11:04] it was really strange [11:05] tseliot, I'm using intel [11:06] chrisccoulson: it's rather interesting to see that the first xserver was launched with -nr while the 2nd was launched with -bg [11:06] seb128: yes, only -intel and -ati (are patched to) support that feature [11:08] tseliot - what is the significance of -nr and -bg? [11:09] chrisccoulson: -bg specifies the background colour while -nr tells X not to have a background (i.e. not to wipe what's already in the framebuffer) [11:10] with -nr we can save what we have on screen and make a nice transition in gdm [11:10] tseliot - ah, ok. thanks [11:17] chrisccoulson: oh, wait, the 2nd X was launched with -br [11:17] not bg === Zdra` is now known as Zdra [11:27] mvo: can I ask you one more question? [11:28] tseliot, Xorg.1.log has some errors there [11:28] mvo: do you know why this dialog is being displayed: http://uploadpie.com/lzdq4 ? Seems like an unnecessary step - another words, why would I *not* want to search for a plugin? :) [11:28] [drm] failed to set drm interface version [11:28] Failed to become DRM master [11:29] failed to get ressources: Bad file descriptor [11:29] Kernel modesetting setup failed [11:29] Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration [11:29] seb128: can you upload the full log, please? [11:33] tseliot, will do that in a few minutes [11:33] ok [11:44] tseliot, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/Xorg.1.log [11:44] thanks [11:45] tseliot, sorry I had to run for lunch [11:45] np [11:45] (very quick lunch today apparently) [11:45] :-) [11:46] seb128: just to be clear, does the log come from Chris' computer? [11:47] no, from mine [11:47] my mini10v [11:47] I don't get the double xorg issue there [11:47] I get "xorg seems to try to start but fails and I get a text vt instead" [11:47] seb128: ok, so we're dealing with separate bugs [11:47] which is over vt7 [11:47] likely [11:48] let me know if you want to debug this one later [11:48] I'm the mini as a testbox so I can easily get debug infos [11:48] but if you get a cursor and you can move it I guess that maybe only the 2nd X is failing? [11:52] yes [11:52] my guess is that second x is failing [11:52] and the text vt goes over vt7 [11:52] which has my running xorg [11:52] processes are still running [11:53] chrisccoulson get something similar but where the second xserver success to start [11:53] so we have 2 bugs at least [11:53] one being the second xserver failing there [11:53] and one being that the same vt is being used twice [11:57] * tseliot nods [12:02] hey tseliot - what does "-br" do then? (sorry, i had to disappear after your last comment - boss was hanging around) [12:02] chrisccoulson: that's a good question. I'll look it up [12:03] tseliot - thanks. it's not something i particularly need to know - i was just curious :) [12:03] chrisccoulson: I would like to know that, just in case it's some failure in calling -nr and -bg at the same time [12:05] -br makes a background color to be displayed rather than an xorg grid iirc [12:05] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/19238 [12:05] Ubuntu bug 19238 in gdm "should add -br to turn off X stipples" [Medium,Fix released] [12:11] seb128: and in what patch can I find that now? Or was it upstreamed? [12:13] daemon/gdm-server.c: server->priv->command = g_strdup (X_SERVER " -br -verbose"); [12:13] tseliot, ^ upstreamed [12:15] seb128: ok, thanks [12:20] chrisccoulson: did you boot with "splash" when you noticed that problem with two xservers? [12:21] chrisccoulson: or maybe you didn't have plymouth installed? [12:23] tseliot - i booted with splash [12:23] i'm not sure if i have plymouth installed [12:24] ok [12:24] tseliot - i can't check until i get home from work [12:25] ok, np === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:32] * didrocks hates autohell :/ === jono is now known as Guest95190 [12:46] didrocks: autotools are nice ;) [12:47] asac: just had some hard time making my build failed. So, that's just an unfair judgement driven by being immediate frustration :) [12:53]