[01:08] <Juanantonio> Hi, anyone there?
[01:49] <SMQBlot> are there a xubuntu repos?
[02:02] <cody-somerville> We use the same repository as Ubuntu.
[02:25] <king_crimson> i'm going to guess.. this channel is not for support for "xUbuntu" ... the xbox ubuntu distro?
[02:26] <gdubbus> lol xbox ubuntu distro
[02:26] <gdubbus> never heard of such a thing
[02:27] <king_crimson> yeah it's the same name different capitalization :)
[02:27] <king_crimson> nothing else to do with my old xbox 1
[02:28] <gdubbus> hmm yeah, I've only seen linux running on a ps3 as far as consoles go but I'm not big into modding that kind of hardware
[02:29] <gdubbus> but no, this def an xcfe-ubuntu channel
[02:30] <king_crimson> ok, well i thought i'd check. thanks.
[02:30] <joseantonio> hi everyone
[02:32] <cody-somerville> hi
[02:33] <gdubbus> anybody try debian out?
[02:34] <cody-somerville> yea
[02:35] <gdubbus> I'm dling testing right now. my 9.10 install has had some pretty bad issues
[02:35] <gdubbus> so figure I'll give debian a shot
[03:43] <CharlesR> using xubuntu 9.10, trying to set up networking to several windows machines, i bring up shared folders and am told nfs or smb must be installed. i say go ahead and install both, type my password, and shortly it again says they have to be installed, as many times as i try. firefox accesses th eweb with no problems.
[03:51] <gdubbus> do you have samba set up?
[03:52] <CharlesR> no, tried and failed to install it
[03:53] <gdubbus> did you do a apt-get install samba-common? or samba4?
[03:56] <gdubbus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[03:56] <gdubbus> follow that guide
[03:56] <gdubbus> and then
[03:56] <gdubbus> check out pyneighborhood
[03:57] <gdubbus> thats a method you'll need to actually browse windows shares
[03:58] <CharlesR> will look there
[03:58] <CharlesR> thanks
[05:08] <NameMe> im trying to dual boot ubuntu 9.10 desktop i get to step 7 /dev/sda1/ device ntfs type then choose change what the heck do i do from there?
[05:11] <NameMe> mieow
[05:12] <NameMe> the edit partition window pops up umm
[05:13] <NameMe> it says do not use the partition by default
[05:14] <NameMe> under use as
[05:14] <Sysi> ubuntu can automatically modify and create partitions
[05:15] <NameMe> would be nice but it isnt
[05:15] <NameMe> it all shows green
[05:16] <NameMe> no partition
[05:16] <Sysi> what do you mean?
[05:16] <NameMe> ot on the 6th selection
[05:16] <NameMe> all is blue
[05:16] <NameMe> when installing from live cd
[05:17] <NameMe> step i should alow me to partition it all auto like u say
[05:17] <NameMe> it only ask me 2 questions
[05:17] <NameMe> delete windows or
[05:18] <NameMe> specify partitions manualy
[05:18] <NameMe> ....
[05:18] <NameMe> i have tryed to use the gparted
[05:19] <NameMe> with no sucess
[05:19] <Sysi> you create partitions with installers partition editor
[05:19] <Sysi> or well, you can also use gparted
[05:20] <NameMe> umm gparted isnt doing what it should
[05:20] <NameMe> nether is the one that came with the cd
[05:20] <Sysi> ugh, this wlan truly is horrible
[05:21] <NameMe> ill continue to type numbers saying how much space i want to free up
[05:22] <NameMe> it will never give me a next screen
[05:22] <NameMe> just goes back to 000
[05:22] <NameMe> 0
[05:22] <NameMe> what is wlan/
[05:22] <NameMe> ?
[05:22] <Sysi> wireless lan, also called wifi
[05:23] <mikubuntu> is there a way for me to set dolphin as the default file browser for all my apps?  like when i'm browsing for a picture to upload, etc...?
[05:23] <NameMe> yeah i cant get 3 com working ether lol
[05:23] <NameMe> oh well one step at a time
[05:25] <NameMe> question can ubuntu 9.10 be dual booted with windows 2000 pro?
[05:27] <bucket529> Drat. I used the 'Display' control panel to change the resolution of one user. Now that user cannot log in - the GDM login screen keeps recycling, so I suspect X is restarting. Other users can log in just fine. How can I change that user's dispplay settings from the recovery command line, so that user can log in?
[05:33] <NameMe> any one know how to use gparted? mabey im doing somthing wrong
[05:36] <NameMe> i have tryed for 4 days to partition this could be a sighn i should just stay with windows
[05:37] <NameMe> wanted to try it =(
[05:40] <NameMe>  
[05:42] <NameMe> BBL
[05:54] <mikubuntu> is there a way for me to set dolphin as the default file browser for all my apps?  like when i'm browsing for a picture to upload, etc...?
[06:01] <bucket529> I figured out my resolution problem - delete the file with the customized resolution saved at /home/USERNAME/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml   Restart, and all works again.
[06:15] <NameMe> any one know how to use gparted?
[06:16] <Sysi> it's easy
[06:17] <Sysi> select partition you want to edit and umount it
[06:18] <NameMe> im looking to resize the partition i want
[06:19] <NameMe> it looked so easy on youtube
[06:20] <Sysi> select the partition and select resize
[06:20] <Sysi> you can shrink it by dragging edge with mouse
[06:23] <NameMe> i am dragging all over nothing is moving
[06:25] <NameMe> i can type the amount in megabites corect?
[06:25] <Sysi> hmm, i can't remember
[06:27] <mikubuntu> i found this, but i'm not sure exactly what portions of the file i'm sposed to change: You can edit the following file /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop  and change nautilus --no-desktop %U to d3lphin and it should cause all file handling to be done by d3lphin. This worked for me.
[06:27] <mikubuntu> could someone help me implement this if you think its doable?
[06:28] <NameMe> sorry im totaly new to ubuntu
[06:29] <mikubuntu> i am who i am because of who we all are .. this is the spirit of ubuntu .. so i am you and you are me .. will you take the oath?
[06:30] <mikubuntu> hahaha
[06:30] <mikubuntu> is there a way for me to set dolphin as the default file browser for all my apps?  like when i'm browsing for a picture to upload, etc...?
[06:30] <mikubuntu> i found this, but i'm not sure exactly what portions of the file i'm sposed to change: You can edit the following file /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop  and change nautilus --no-desktop %U to d3lphin and it should cause all file handling to be done by d3lphin. This worked for me.
[06:30] <mikubuntu> could someone help me implement this if you think its doable?
[06:30] <Sysi> you don't need to ask three times btw
[06:30] <NameMe> sysi
[06:31] <Sysi> ?
[06:31] <NameMe> may i post a vidio depicting what im trying to say?
[06:31] <Sysi> you're not using wubi?
[06:32] <Sysi> do not use wubi, it's evil
[06:32] <Sysi> idk if video would help at all
[06:33] <NameMe> no the cd was sent to me from the netherlandspromese c/o ubuntu-kbuntu postbus 3174 4800dd breda
[06:33] <mikubuntu> sysi, can you help me with my file editing issue?
[06:33] <mikubuntu> nobody else seems to be active
[06:34] <Sysi> maybe nobody knows
[06:34] <Sysi> gksudo mousepad /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[06:34] <NameMe> i ordered it from ubuntu website
[06:34] <mikubuntu> i have the file opend with gedit, i am just not sure of the instruction
[06:35] <mikubuntu> but better i'll close it and follow your instruction
[06:35] <Sysi> find "nautilus --no-desktop %U"
[06:35] <mikubuntu> yes i see that
[06:35] <Sysi> from the file
[06:36] <Sysi> i'd guess you need to replace "nautilus" with "dolphin", or how ever it's written
[06:37] <mikubuntu> only on that line?
[06:37] <NameMe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG5qcFpgpII when ever u have time =)
[06:37] <Sysi> coming to that instruction, yes
[06:38] <mikubuntu> and only that portion of the string?  just swap out dolphin for nautilus so that it reads =dolphin --no-desktop %U  ?
[06:39] <Sysi> so it seems
[06:42] <mikubuntu> what about all the other instances in the file where it refers to nautilus ?
[06:42] <Sysi> dunno
[06:43] <mikubuntu> so, maybe i shouldn't mess with it?
[06:43] <Sysi> propably no
[06:44] <mikubuntu> ok, thx
[06:44] <Sysi> at least you now don't have too much to fix if it doesn't work after that
[06:44] <NameMe> lol
[06:44] <NameMe> good thinking
[06:45] <mikubuntu> so you think its safe enough to try?
[06:45] <NameMe> safe......
[06:45] <NameMe> have backed up ?
[06:46] <NameMe> have disk just incase all fails?
[06:46] <mikubuntu> always have disk
[06:46] <NameMe> =)
[06:46] <mikubuntu> don't have backd up, don't know how to back  up that file
[06:46] <Sysi> well, that can't mess up entire system
[06:47] <Sysi> for that little change backup may isn't needed
[06:47] <NameMe> true
[06:48] <Sysi> but it's done like saving old as "file.desktop.old"
[06:50] <mikubuntu> its not opening mousepad with that command you gave me
[06:51] <NameMe> where it says new size (mib)  <total drive amount > if i change that will it make space for the aprtition/
[06:51] <NameMe> ?
[06:52] <NameMe> it has the exact amount total my hard drive
[06:53] <NameMe> heh i guess try and see
[06:54] <NameMe> =(
[06:55] <NameMe> this is bugging me
[06:57] <mikubuntu> sysi, will i need to restart to make it take effect?  just tried to browse photos from yahoo mail and the nautilus file mgr still came up
[06:58] <Sysi> you can try that
[06:58] <mikubuntu> k, b back in a few i guess .. thx
[06:59] <NameMe> are u not trying to asist me any more sysi?
[06:59] <NameMe> its all cool if so just dont enjoy asking questions with no reply
[07:01] <Sysi> NameMe: i really don't know what to say
[07:02] <NameMe> heh seems thats what im finding every where
[07:03] <NameMe> its almost like im the only person to ever have this problem
[07:03] <NameMe> lol
[07:05] <NameMe> i will try the same question tomarrow
[07:05] <NameMe> some one may know at some point lol
[07:06] <NameMe> its not like i dont have perfectly running windows pc's to hold me off
[07:06] <NameMe> some one will know eventualy
[07:06] <mikubuntu> nope .. don't understand it, does not default to dolphin, and it keeps opening nautilus
[07:07] <NameMe> would u say its best to just stick with windows ?
[07:08] <NameMe> strange how windows just works mac os just works so far ubuntu is a head ach
[07:09] <Sysi> why my windows don't "just work"
[07:09] <MrNaz_yma> is it possible to easily mount remote volumes (samba shares etc) in a way that causes them to show up in thunar like a removable drive (usb flash drive, external hdd, etc) ? it'd make it clearer to users when they were working with remote filesystems
[07:10] <Sysi> i need to install gazillion programs to do even basic things, and it's totally unusable after year
[07:10] <NameMe> you might have done somthing to your windows
[07:10] <Sysi> yeah, used it
[07:10] <MrNaz_yma> NameMe: You're trolling, be careful or you'll be kicked.
[07:11] <Sysi> MrNaz_yma: what do you think i'm doing to him :P
[07:11] <NameMe> im actualy trying to get help
[07:11] <NameMe> only one person tryed to help me
[07:11] <Sysi> what is your problem, simply
[07:11] <Sysi> what don't happen when should
[07:11] <knome> MrNaz_yma, thunar 1.1.0 supports remote filesystem browsing
[07:12] <NameMe> let me think of the best way to state it ....
[07:12] <NameMe> simply
[07:12] <knome> MrNaz_yma, + there is gigolo which should work for that
[07:12] <Sysi> you can't shrink your current windows partition?
[07:14] <NameMe> i have gparted open running ubuntu from the live cd it had my hard drive and curent partition nothing i do will shrink my curent partition
[07:14] <Sysi> you have selected "resize"?
[07:15] <NameMe> my curent partition is factory
[07:15] <NameMe> yes
[07:15] <NameMe> a windo pops up
[07:15] <NameMe> what do i do in that window?
[07:15] <Sysi> there is that picture about partition?
[07:15] <Sysi> well, "picture"
[07:16] <knome> Sysi, graph :P
[07:17] <Sysi> morning..
[07:18] <knome> morning and greetings from the lecture :P
[07:18] <NameMe> alittle blue bar /dev/sda1 with arrows ether way minimum size listed max size listed free space preceding (mib0 and a box with a value of 0 new size with curent hard drive size total free sppace following 0 round to cylinders checked
[07:19] <NameMe> thats almost every word i see outher than cancle and resize button but resize button is grey not collored
[07:20] <knome> n
[07:20] <NameMe> when i move mouse near arrows it turns to a double arrow mouse pointer
[07:20] <knome> NameMe, have you tried to change the values?
[07:21] <NameMe> i hold doun the mouse button and drag nothing hapens
[07:21] <NameMe> when i change the values and hit enter it just goes back to prior set up
[07:21] <knome> is it an ntfs partition?
[07:22] <NameMe> yes
[07:22] <NameMe> now where getting to smart questions
[07:23] <NameMe> i wasnt happy with the ohwell fealing i was getting from outher helper =)
[07:23] <knome> Sysi, do you know if gparted can resize ntfs partitions? i'm quite not sure
[07:24] <Sysi> i think it should, but i haven't tried
[07:24] <knome> and i can't check with my phone easily
[07:24] <Sysi> at least installer sould be able to do that
[07:24] <NameMe> installer keeps trying to remove windows compleetle
[07:24] <knome> i wonder if you need to install ntfs-3g or sth
[07:24] <NameMe> compleetly
[07:25] <NameMe> humm how big is ntfs3g and can i use a usb removable device to install it?
[07:26] <knome> i'm gonna check a few things now, brb
[07:28] <knome> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/resize/resizing.htm
[07:29] <knome> NameMe, have you read that?
[07:30] <NameMe> not sure gonna open link
[07:30] <NameMe> humm
[07:32] <knome> NameMe, can you get anywhere with it
[07:33] <NameMe> give me a sec to read it looks alot like the same stuff i have been trying tho
[07:35] <NameMe> guess i should say running from the live cd my partitions are not mounted that should make them easy to work with right?
[07:36] <NameMe> ... this isnot the window i see in gparted from the live cd
[07:37] <NameMe> it looks like the one from the install of ubuntu
[07:37] <NameMe> we try think i have tryed this tho
[07:43] <NameMe> As you can see, the actual size is 9421 MB. To change the size, you can use the arrows, to grow up or reduce the partition.
[07:43] <NameMe> this is my exact problem
[07:43] <NameMe> i cannot preform this task due to i dont know why
[07:45] <NameMe> my mouse wont grow ir reduce the partition
[07:45] <knome> maybe ask #ubuntu as this is not a xubuntu-specific issue
[07:45] <NameMe> lol yeah makes sence
[07:46] <NameMe> just got it from the web site lol
[07:46] <NameMe> didnt think about the x before it
[07:47] <knome> oh well
[07:47] <knome> :)
[07:53] <knome> bbl
[08:02] <ouyes> an atracting question, how many computing capabilities will it be saved to change from gnome to xfce??
[08:10] <gdubbus> not a ton, but if your machine is old at all you'll see the difference
[08:12] <gdubbus> probably save a hundred megs of memory maybe more, never really tested though so I don't have anything to back that statement up with
[13:53] <Pres-Gas> Hey all
[13:56] <Pres-Gas> Lotta kerberos related updates from GNU recently...Shishi...GSSAPI
[14:25] <petur> Hello friends
[14:26] <peturrr> Do you consitter XFCE to be more stable than GNOME?
[14:27] <charlie-tca> not always.
[14:28] <charlie-tca> Xfce is simply an alternative to the gnome desktop envirnmoent
[14:28] <peturrr> Okay
[14:29] <peturrr> Long time ago i tried debian+xfce .. i didn't like ot much as it did not autodetct my portable harddrive and flashsticks
[14:29] <peturrr> Is this issue resolved as of xubuntu 9.10 ?
[14:30] <peturrr> detect = automount and open up the corresponding folders.
[14:31] <slow-motion> hi
[14:31] <charlie-tca> good question! AFAIK, it is resolved. As for opening the folders at mount, I do not think it does, you must specifically open them yourself.
[14:31] <Pres-Gas> peturrr, I have been able to put many kinds of portable storage devices in and they show up.
[14:32] <Pres-Gas> Hey, slow-motion
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Much has changed in all the desktop environments since a "long time ago", though
[14:32] <slow-motion> hi Pres-Gas
[14:42] <Pres-Gas> Hmmm...I just installed ekiga on my 9.04 machine and it is not showing up in my menu.
[14:43] <charlie-tca> Probably another one marked gnome only?
[14:44] <charlie-tca> check in /usr/share/applications for the desktop file. If it is gnome specific, can you file a bug on it?
[14:45] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, can I see in aptitude/synaptic if it is "gnome-only".  I am looking in applications now
[14:55] <charlie-tca> The only place it tells us is in /usr/share/applications after it is installed, normally. All it means is whoever wrote the .desktop file decided only those using gnome will get the menu item
[14:55] <Pres-Gas> So, just file a bug in ekiga?
[14:56] <charlie-tca> against ekiga in launchpad
[14:56] <charlie-tca> specify that the item does not show up in xubuntu
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I will then push it to the right people to have it fixed
[14:57] <Pres-Gas> I will ping you when I report it.
[14:57] <charlie-tca> It will be a line like this:  OnlyShowIn=GNOME;
[14:58] <Pres-Gas> OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Mobile
[14:58] <Pres-Gas> I am gonna hand hack it...what should it say, charlie-tca?
[14:59] <charlie-tca> That is the line. If you copy that file to /home/$USER/.local/share/applications, it is better than changing it as root
[14:59] <Pres-Gas> k, but what should it say?
[14:59] <charlie-tca> But, either way, it is okay to add ";Xfce" to the line
[14:59] <Pres-Gas> ahhh
[14:59] <Pres-Gas> Case sensitive?
[14:59] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:00] <charlie-tca> oops, make that ;XFCE;
[15:01] <charlie-tca> There should be a semi-colon after the last entry
[15:03] <Pres-Gas> hmmm...there was no semicolon at the end of "Mobile"
[15:03] <charlie-tca> I see that, but there should be
[15:04] <Pres-Gas> hmmm...looks like a fix has been released, supposedly...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ekiga/+bug/370677
[15:06] <charlie-tca> comment #6 shows they dropped the patch?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> no, mistake
[15:07] <Pres-Gas> hmmm...I did not see that yet...multitasking
[15:07] <charlie-tca> That patch was supposed to be in 8.10! I will look into this one further.
[15:08] <Pres-Gas> Thanks, charlie-tca!
[15:08] <charlie-tca> you are welcome. Thanks for finding it.
[15:21] <p0lycarbonate> does compiz work on xubuntu? (9.4)
[15:22] <Sysi> yes, but i only succeeded with emerald
[15:22] <p0lycarbonate> hmm
[15:22] <p0lycarbonate> i heard it was for kde is that right?
[15:23] <Sysi> emerald is just for window borders
[15:23] <Sysi> not specified to any working enviroment
[15:24] <Sysi> my friend and some others also got it work with default, but i didn't
[15:24] <p0lycarbonate> im downloading and installing compiz now.. i guess its downloading kde librarys
[15:24] <p0lycarbonate> so it may work you say
[15:25] <Sysi> have you watched tutorials?
[15:25] <p0lycarbonate> :(
[15:25] <Sysi> there's some good hints
[15:25] <p0lycarbonate> ok im checking sry
[15:25] <p0lycarbonate> thanks
[15:26] <Sysi> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[15:26] <p0lycarbonate> :))
[16:15] <manish> hi....can some one tell me how i can manage the files installed on other partitions from the default file manager thuran...
[19:26] <jmadrid> Hey all.. anybody home?
[19:26] <Sysi> !hi
[19:26] <knome> no.
[19:26] <charlie-tca__> !anybody
[19:26] <knome> Sysi, sshhhh! ;)
[19:27] <jmadrid> oh sorry ubottu. I was just being nice.
[19:28] <likemindead> What's up, jmadrid?
[19:28] <jmadrid> So, my question is... I upgraded to 9.10
[19:28] <likemindead> Huzzah!
[19:28] <likemindead> :D
[19:28]  * charlie-tca__ thinks now it is broken
[19:29] <jmadrid> have a Belkin Wireless PC Card and it now doesnt exist in the computer, after the upgrade.
[19:29] <jmadrid> The previous version of Xubuntu detected it on the fly
[19:29] <Sysi> knome: btw, why don't we have xubuntu stickers?
[19:30] <jmadrid> Hello likemindead!
[19:31] <knome> Sysi, i once thought i'd press them, but since it is not free/cheap, i don't want to press 10000 stickers myself and take the loss. :)
[19:31] <knome> Sysi, if more people are interested in that, yes, we could have them printed
[19:31] <knome> s/press/print/
[19:32] <Sysi> knome: canonical or somebody isn't interested?
[19:32] <Sysi> do we have design for stickers?
[19:32] <knome> Sysi, if they would be interested, who wouldn't they ship free xubuntu discs as well?
[19:33] <knome> Sysi, no we don't, but i was just thinking plain logo with transparent bg
[19:33] <knome> Sysi, i can do more, if you have ideas and i think those are worth doing :P
[19:33] <siznax> yay stickers!
[19:37] <knome> i mean, financially interested.
[19:37] <Sysi> hmm
[19:39]  * charlie-tca__ thinks "I hate to say it, but we a part of Ubuntu... could use their stickers for the time being?"
[19:39] <charlie-tca__> I think a design that is readily available would perhaps allow those who want stickers/buttons to have them made themselves
[19:41] <siznax> the Ubuntu logo is nice, but i like the Xubuntu mouse. :)
[19:41] <siznax> i put Ubuntu stickers on my "helpy selfy to Xubuntu" disks that i pass around, but blue/mouse Xubuntu stickers would be preferable
[19:43] <siznax> surprising how much schwag gets peeps excited
[19:43] <Sysi> knome: one thing i also have wanted to tell, if you'd be interested about following loco-stuff, we have #ubuntu-fi-tiimit
[19:44] <Sysi> meetings every second sunday
[19:45] <Sysi> idk about financial things, but i "know" one guy who's owning printing place
[19:51]  * Ov3rf10w brb
[19:58] <slow-motion> hi
[20:17] <TheSheep> knome: you use a tablet with gimp?
[20:21] <knome> TheSheep, with inkscape
[20:22] <knome> Sysi, that would work (guy with printing place).
[20:30] <TheSheep> knome: do you happen to know how to configure it's pad buttons in the application?
[20:31] <knome> TheSheep, unfortunately i don't - my tablet doesn't have those
[20:32] <knome> TheSheep, maybe they can be bound as "normal" keypresses?
[20:33] <TheSheep> knome: they are treated as mouse buttons
[20:33] <TheSheep> knome: and both inkscape and gimp seem to have some dialog for setting them, but I can't figure out how to use it
[20:33] <TheSheep> knome: and documentation is nonexistent
[20:34] <knome> TheSheep, maybe just trial and error? :/
[20:34] <TheSheep> what do you think I did for the last two hours? :)
[20:34] <knome> hehe
[20:34] <TheSheep> I can set them up with the wacomctl tool
[20:35] <TheSheep> but that's global
[20:35] <knome> yeah
[20:35] <knome> (i suppose you mean wacomcpl)
[20:35] <TheSheep> and the mapping that makes sense in gimp doesn't make sense outside of it
[20:35] <TheSheep> yeah
[20:35] <knome> yup.
[20:35] <knome> maybe write a script.. :P
[20:36] <knome> bind to keypress -> start the script -> if active window is gimp, cause these keystrokes / if not, cause these
[20:36] <TheSheep> and invoke it each time I switch windows?
[20:36] <TheSheep> I didn't knwo xfwm4 can do that ;)
[20:36] <knome> it can't but there are tools which let you do it
[20:37] <TheSheep> I'm not going to change my window manager just for gimp
[20:37] <knome> it's not a window manager change, actually
[20:37] <TheSheep> devilspie?
[20:37] <knome> as long as you can identify the active window and emulate keypresses...
[20:37] <knome> wmctrl should help with the first
[20:38] <knome> even if the xfce developers hate it :P
[20:38] <TheSheep> meh, that's too much work, especially since gimp *does* seem to have it already
[20:38] <knome> hehe
[20:38] <knome> good luck then ;)
[20:38] <TheSheep> I can change them with xsetwacom from commandline
[20:39] <knome> yup
[20:39] <TheSheep> somehow it hurts me to hack some scripts when the program already provides it
[20:39] <knome> i know
[20:39] <knome> but that's a workaround *for now*
[20:39] <TheSheep> gimp hurts a lot ;)
[20:39] <knome> that's why i don't use gimp
[20:40] <TheSheep> btw, karmic has %$#^%$@^ up fdi file for wacom, had to hack on it to make applications see my tablet
[20:40] <TheSheep> I thought ou'd test that before the release ;)
[20:40] <TheSheep> you
[20:40] <knome> hah
[20:40] <knome> i didn't use an fdi file since a few weeks ago
[20:40] <knome> (or didn't know using one)
[20:41] <TheSheep> hopefully hal will go away soon
[20:41] <TheSheep> (probably as soon as I learn to use it)
[20:41] <knome> x)
[20:42] <TheSheep> it's always like this, I suffer through some arcane and overly complex system, and when I finally start to get a hang of it and become productive, it's replaced with something less documented and more opaque
[20:42] <knome> yeah.
[20:43] <TheSheep> grub 2, new gdm, upstart...
[20:43] <knome> those still might be improvements over the old system
[20:43] <knome> well new gdm isn't :P
[20:43] <TheSheep> I miss the ability to have a grub menu on esc
[20:44] <TheSheep> I have to boot a livecd now instead of recovery mode
[20:44] <knome> oh well :)
[20:44] <knome> at least you are able to do it
[20:44] <TheSheep> a pretty large step back, almost as bad as removing alt+ctrl+backspace
[20:44] <knome> think of the people who can't find a way around it
[20:44] <knome> but you can get alt+ctrl+backspace back .P
[20:45] <TheSheep> I can also install old grub
[20:45] <knome> sure
[20:45] <TheSheep> but that's beside the point
[20:45] <TheSheep> I can make my own distribution
[20:46] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, what about holding down "shift", that should give you back your menu (did I already talk about this with you?).
[20:47] <Pres-Gas> it moved from esc to shift for some reason
[20:48] <Pres-Gas> I am with you about the less documented and more opaque though, TheSheep
[20:50] <Besogon> Have you heard about TeX and especially about "texi2dvi" script?
[20:51] <Besogon> May be someone used it before?
[20:54] <charlie-tca__> TheSheep: you haven't turned the menu on in grub2?
[21:17] <TheSheep> charlie-tca__: I did, but now it shows every time
[21:17] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: not me, but noted, thanks
[21:17] <charlie-tca__> sorry :-(
[21:18] <alexplank> hi
[21:20] <TheSheep> !hi alexplank
[21:37] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, I got that shift thing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[21:37] <TheSheep> I'm just complaining that I'm becoming to lazy to constantly learn new things as they change :)
[21:39] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, but there is absolutely NO consistency even though the package names are similar...so psychologically, you would think many of the shortcuts and features you know and love from GDM or grub would still be there, but NOOOOOOOOO!
[21:39] <Pres-Gas> We are just gonna rip it all out and start fresh...and still call it the same thing.
[21:39] <TheSheep> change is the only constant
[21:40] <Pres-Gas> I do like the potentiality of upstart, though I come from OS X with launchd.
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[21:42] <slow-motion> n8
[21:44] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: I'm getting a feeling that ubuntu is being pushed towards 'free macos clone', at least visually
[21:58] <charlie-tca> hmmm I suppose asking for a screensaver that doesn't have moving patterns would be wrong?
[21:59] <TheSheep> the purpose of a screensaver is to prevent the screen from displaying the same thing in teh same place for extended periods of time
[22:00] <TheSheep> it was introduced when people noticed that the upper-left corner of their monitors is becoming really dim after several years
[22:00] <charlie-tca> It bothers my eyes to do that... Oh well, add to personel wishlist
[22:00] <TheSheep> there is the 'blank screen' screensaver, it doesn't have anything moving on it
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Also monitors burning the image to the crt tube
[22:00] <TheSheep> it's my favorite too
[22:00] <charlie-tca> It does work well.
[22:38] <SMQBlot> yo
[22:48] <fyksen> yo
[22:49] <SMQBlot> wazzup?
[22:49] <fyksen> Just chillin..
[22:49] <SMQBlot> cool
[22:49] <fyksen> Zap there?
[22:50] <SMQBlot> huh?
[22:50] <fyksen> whats up?
[22:54] <SMQBlot> ah, fixing my desktop a bit, think im finished now
[22:56] <karelm> Hi, I installed ubuntu cli, then added xfce, now I'd like to add the albatross theme from the latest xubuntu release... how can I do that?
[23:00] <knome> karelm, install xubuntu-artwork -package, if you're on karmic.
[23:00] <karelm> knome: I am on karmic, but I dont have that package... I also don't have xubuntu-desktop :S
[23:02] <knome> karelm, what do you mean you don't have that package? when you install xubuntu-artwork, you'll get the albatross theme.
[23:02] <karelm> I mean I dont have both those packages... neither xubuntu-desktop nor xubuntu-artwork
[23:03] <knome> karelm, well you should install xubuntu-artwork to get the albatross theme.
[23:03] <karelm> I mean, I don't have them in my repositories
[23:03] <knome> karelm, it's in universe repository, so you might need to add that to your sources first.
[23:04] <knome> -might. you DO need to do it :P
[23:04] <karelm> I thought I enabled all repositories
[23:05] <karelm> let me check
[23:05] <knome> karelm, have you updated the package lists after enabling the repositories?
[23:05] <karelm> yes
[23:05] <karelm> the server was set to ports-something
[23:06] <karelm> I changed it to main server and am updating atm
[23:06] <knome> okay
[23:07] <karelm> ok, it is there now :D
[23:11] <karelm> I hope I don't break anything by changing that server
[23:11] <karelm> mainly because I have a powerpc cpu
[23:11] <knome> well, in that case you shouldn't change it
[23:12] <karelm> well, I already did
[23:12] <karelm> but now I don't know what it was
[23:16] <karelm> seems like it does use the ports.ubuntu.com repositories :)