| jamalta | Hi there, quick question.. is fglrx completely borked in alpha 2? | 01:25 |
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| * jamalta is doing another update today to see if issue gets resolved | 01:26 | |
| ripps | jamalta: I don't think fglrx works with the xserver and kernel in lucid yet, you'll have to use the -ati driver in the meantime | 01:32 |
| onetinsoldier | i'll feel pretty lucky if the the next fglrx driver works with this latest Xorg and bleeding edge kernel ;-) | 01:33 |
| jamalta | ripps: let me try that | 01:33 |
| jamalta | onetinsoldier: i guess i should have considered that before i upgraded ;) | 01:43 |
| jamalta | don't i still have the older kernel? | 01:43 |
| * jamalta waits for the upgrade to finish to check the kernels he has | 01:44 | |
| jamalta | what's the default kernel in karmic? | 01:46 |
| crimsun | jamalta: 2.6.31-14 | 01:46 |
| jamalta | crimsun: gracias | 01:46 |
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| bjsnider | the development snapshot of gnome-shell from today contains a new feature. under the account name menu, there is now a "sidebar" checkbox, that once checked results in a column on the left side of the screen with a list of frequently used applications and a clock. the sidebar can also be made smaller and auto-hides. | 03:17 |
| bjsnider | also contains recent documents | 03:17 |
| onetinsoldier | thanks for the update bjsnider :) | 03:21 |
| RAOF | Um. That's been in there for *ages* | 03:26 |
| bjsnider | has it? i didn't notice | 03:26 |
| RAOF | Yeah, because it's ugly, space-consuming, and mostly useless. | 03:26 |
| bjsnider | it auto-hides | 03:27 |
| bjsnider | it has a low-profile mode | 03:27 |
| bjsnider | but it is ugly | 03:27 |
| bjsnider | right now | 03:27 |
| RAOF | Yeah. It's *been* ugly for about 6 months, I think | 03:29 |
| RAOF | (It's also been useless for the same period of time) | 03:29 |
| RAOF | Unless they've suddenly whipped up an actually interesting sidebar. | 03:29 |
| bjsnider | it still doesn't match the black theme | 03:30 |
| simba_ | i think gnome-shell still have a long way to go before it is ready for the common user... | 03:30 |
| bjsnider | but it has a low-profile mode that makes the icons very small, and then auto-hides it down to a few pixels | 03:30 |
| RAOF | The one that I'm seeing goes down to 10-20ish pixels, is ugly, and pointless. Is that the one you're seeing? :) | 03:31 |
| bjsnider | i dunno. want to take a screenshot? | 03:32 |
| RAOF | Not particularly, really. | 03:35 |
| crimsun | hehe, I remember someone (DBO?) once asked me for a screenshot, and I warned that it would be the most boring thing ever: lots of x-terminal-emulators, lots of code | 03:38 |
| RAOF | Mine won't be boring; having wandered through the gjs/mozjs wasteland to fix it I'm just a little sick of gnome-shell :). | 03:43 |
| bjsnider | RAOF, fix it? it ain't broke | 03:48 |
| RAOF | bjsnider: Have you tried to install gnome-shell from the Lucid repositories? | 03:48 |
| bjsnider | you meant he dependency on mozjs? | 03:48 |
| bjsnider | i'm using a ppa right now. i understand that there was a problem with the one in lucid | 03:49 |
| RAOF | Yes. There still is (until gjs gets rebuilt & I queue a gnome-shell build) | 03:50 |
| RAOF | It's been broken for some months. | 03:50 |
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| bjsnider | ok, here's a real difference. the new gnome-shell has notifications coming through the bottom of the screen in bubbles | 04:50 |
| onetinsoldier | gnome-shell is broken right now though? in lucid? | 04:58 |
| bjsnider | gtk themes still look old and one-dimensional. they need a 3d look | 05:00 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/492392 | 05:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 492392 in linux "[lucid, intel] After suspend, flickering screen and then blank screen." [Medium,Fix released] | 05:07 |
| DanaG | gryargh | 05:07 |
| DanaG | hmm, is it possible to install dropbox on the csc space? | 05:12 |
| DanaG | damn, 218M. | 05:12 |
| DanaG | quota is 300M. | 05:12 |
| DanaG | ooh, vogon has htop. | 05:14 |
| DanaG | spiffy. | 05:14 |
| DanaG | er, sorry, wrong channel. | 05:14 |
| DanaG | again. | 05:14 |
| daijoubu | Hello, just wanted to let you know that PPPOE still doesn't work with alpha 2 ... | 05:58 |
| daijoubu | will that be fixed ? | 05:58 |
| johnflux | Hey all | 07:56 |
| johnflux | When I boot up, it gets to the KDE login prompty and the keyboard and mouse don't work | 07:57 |
| johnflux | that's if I boot with an older kernel | 07:58 |
| johnflux | if I boot with the latest kernel, I get no graphics at all - the screen just goes gray at the time when xorg should start up | 07:58 |
| johnflux | anyone know how I can fix it? :-/ | 07:59 |
| sharky | maybe what video driver | 08:19 |
| JohnFlux | updating fixed xorg :) | 08:25 |
| JohnFlux | but now I have no sound | 08:25 |
| JohnFlux | also apps crash when I quit. This is a bug in Qt - kubuntu needs to depend on the latest version Qt | 08:25 |
| JohnFlux | Qt 4.6.1 | 08:25 |
| sharky | good | 08:36 |
| JohnFlux | installing pulseaudio fixed the audio :) | 08:37 |
| JohnFlux | actually | 08:37 |
| JohnFlux | one of my mixers was set to mute | 08:37 |
| JohnFlux | that was the reason :-/ | 08:37 |
| JohnFlux | in the upgrade it got set to mute for something | 08:38 |
| JohnFlux | *some reason | 08:38 |
| BUGabundo_remote | morning | 08:46 |
| BUGabundo_remote | who can tell me what and where to echo something so my LCD will turn off, remotelly via SSH | 08:47 |
| BUGabundo_remote | I forgot to turn it of, and I hate to spend energy :( | 08:47 |
| cwillu | ugh, why are my nautilus tabs on the bottom of the window? | 08:51 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo_remote, x running? | 08:52 |
| BUGabundo_remote | cwillu UI feature | 08:52 |
| BUGabundo_remote | they choose to be like that | 08:52 |
| cwillu | xset dpms force off | 08:52 |
| BUGabundo_remote | I have a bug in LP and upstream | 08:52 |
| BUGabundo_remote | applied. how do I test? | 08:52 |
| cwillu | heh | 08:52 |
| cwillu | "test" | 08:52 |
| BUGabundo_remote | since I'm 30 KMs away ? | 08:52 |
| cwillu | you'll find out in the morning :p | 08:53 |
| cwillu | your default power properties doesn't turn off the backlight after however long? | 08:53 |
| BUGabundo_remote | its morning already | 08:53 |
| BUGabundo_remote | I left for work... and forgot to turn it off | 08:53 |
| BUGabundo_remote | ill be back home in 11h :\ | 08:54 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo_remote, actually, even doing a remote chvt (assuming that vt switching works on your setup) should do it, as the kernel should timeout the monitor | 08:55 |
| * om26er notices daily live cd have decreased in size | 08:55 | |
| cwillu | om26er, oversight, it'll be fixed for alpha3 | 08:55 |
| * cwillu insists on cd images that require dvd's to burn :p | 08:55 | |
| om26er | is the plan of removing GIMP dropped? | 08:56 |
| BUGabundo_remote | cwillu im remotelly connected via FreeNX | 08:57 |
| BUGabundo_remote | I have all my X, except for composite/3D | 08:57 |
| BUGabundo_remote | or access to TTYs since I can't capture keyboard special keys | 08:57 |
| cwillu | ah, in that case I don't think you can turn things off, as the use of the session would reactivate the monitor, no? | 08:58 |
| cwillu | might be able to do something with killall -STOP'ing gnome-power-manager and gnome-screensaver, although I'm not sure what other processes may get involved | 08:58 |
| cwillu | xorg.log might tell you something of interest as to whether the monitors are staying in suspend/standby though | 08:59 |
| BUGabundo_remote | cwillu no, since this is an entirely diff nested X | 09:00 |
| cwillu | okay, then what I said originally should work | 09:00 |
| BUGabundo_remote | ill see if it worked when I get home | 09:01 |
| BUGabundo_remote | you have a beer on me, if it does :D | 09:01 |
| cwillu | I can't believe I'm about to use a virtualbox with usb passthrough to get this soundcard working | 09:06 |
| BUGabundo_remote | ehe | 09:07 |
| JohnFlux | who do I bug to make sure that 10.04 ships with Qt 4.6.1 ? | 09:07 |
| BUGabundo_remote | doesn't work with alsa/PA ? | 09:07 |
| BUGabundo_remote | and there he goes :\ | 09:08 |
| JohnFlux | Will 10.04 use KDE 4.4 ? | 09:09 |
| BUGabundo_remote | I would think so | 09:14 |
| BUGabundo_remote | hey Sarvatt | 09:14 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo_remote, still here :p | 09:16 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo_remote, I compiled alsa to make it work once, I'll be damned if I can reproduce it on the machine I need it for though :p | 09:16 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo_remote, m-audio fast track ultra | 09:18 |
| cwillu | ah, goodie; the device shows up in usb passthrough if I run virtualbox as root | 09:19 |
| * cwillu cringes | 09:19 | |
| BUGabundo_remote | MEDO | 09:20 |
| cwillu | next I'm gonna use ie6 to browse for the windows driver :D | 09:20 |
| BUGabundo_remote | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 09:20 |
| hifi | first things I do when I ever install XP: install firefox, install 7zip | 09:21 |
| hifi | after I've run windows update for an hour | 09:22 |
| hifi | ran! | 09:22 |
| hifi | oh, this wasn't OT channel | 09:23 |
| cwillu | sorry, I get offtopic sometimes | 09:24 |
| * cwillu submits an application to m-audio's private beta program | 09:35 | |
| Ng | noooooo, the new bash-completion got merged with its totally insane host browsing :( | 09:56 |
| * Ng works up some calm for a sensible bug report | 09:56 | |
| cwillu | Ng, yay, the new bash-completion got merged with the insane completion quoting fixed! :) | 09:56 |
| Ng | orly? | 09:57 |
| Ng | I didn't have any problems with quoting, but I do very much not want avahi-browse spewing errors and taking 30s to timeout every time I tab complete a hostname ;) | 09:58 |
| cwillu | Ng, I use menu-complete (aka hippie completion/tab-per-completion), which has been broken due to some misguided quoting in /etc/bash_completion | 10:03 |
| Ng | cwillu: ah | 10:05 |
| jpds | I use zsh. | 10:05 |
| * cwillu compares jpds to the people who come into #ubuntu to say "I use arch" to the people troubleshooting stuff | 10:06 | |
| BUGabundo_remote | jpds: zsh is much better in autcomplete, right? | 10:07 |
| jpds | BUGabundo_remote: zsh is the win at everything. | 10:08 |
| indus | hi | 12:50 |
| zzillezz | hello | 12:53 |
| indus | is ati binary working on lucid? | 13:07 |
| vish | BUGabundo_remote: the status menu is part of the the new indicator-me.. | 13:10 |
| vish | hasnt been fully implemented yet | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo_remote | I don't care | 13:11 |
| indus | is ati binary working on lucid? | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo_remote | don't like half cooked stuff | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo_remote | indus: stop repeating your self | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo_remote | we read it already | 13:11 |
| indus | hmm, | 13:11 |
| indus | is important for me | 13:12 |
| indus | so had to make sure someone got that | 13:12 |
| gnomefreak | indus: would be ehlpful if you gave us an users case on how to check. not everyone in the channel would know how to test :) | 13:13 |
| * gnomefreak has other things to worry about that ati | 13:13 | |
| indus | gnomefreak, well, i just followed the release notes for lucid which said it didnt | 13:14 |
| indus | just wondered if some new support dropped in | 13:14 |
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| alokito | what apt line should I add for chromium in Lucid | 13:46 |
| alokito | Pici, | 13:47 |
| BUGabundo_remote | alokito: chromium PPA | 13:48 |
| BUGabundo_remote | either daily, dev or beta | 13:48 |
| alokito | hmm | 13:49 |
| alokito | ok | 13:49 |
| JohnFlux | could someone add Qt 4.6.1 please | 13:52 |
| JohnFlux | 4.6.0 is very buggy, making a lot of programs nearly unusable | 13:53 |
| JohnFlux | speed wise, crashes, etc | 13:53 |
| gnomefreak | JohnFlux: you should really file a bug on it that way it will get seen by right people (not all devs are in this channel | 13:54 |
| JohnFlux | thanks | 13:54 |
| gnomefreak | np | 13:55 |
| yofel | JohnFlux: you should ask in #kubuntu-devel, but I doubt we will package qt ourselves, usually it's synced from debian | 13:55 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: it has to be acked by Riddel and IIRC he doesnt spend a whole lot of time at keyboard in that channel | 13:58 |
| Oli`` | What's the current kernel? | 14:37 |
| simba_ | 2.6.32-11-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP | 14:39 |
| arand_ | Is that one working for you btw? Fails to boot here | 14:40 |
| simba_ | working without any problems here | 14:40 |
| BUGabundo_remote | arand_: wfm | 14:40 |
| Oli`` | Do you think will lucid ship 2.6.33? I ask because I have an SSD and .33 has in-kernel TRIM support | 14:45 |
| simba_ | Oli``, I am running of an ssd and lucid havent touched the swap partition yet. | 14:48 |
| Ng | is there magic to make plymouth do exciting shiny things? | 15:11 |
| Sarvatt | sudo plymouth-set-default-theme solar --rebuild-initrd | 15:13 |
| JohnFlux | Sarvatt: is plymouth only for ubuntu, and not kubuntu? | 15:14 |
| BUGabundo_remote | Sarvatt: its up and running again? | 15:16 |
| BUGabundo_remote | is it instalable even ? | 15:16 |
| Sarvatt | has been for a long time now, just not working without KMS yet I dont think | 15:16 |
| Sarvatt | and i have no idea JohnFlux, it should be for both but the transition might not be as pretty :D | 15:17 |
| yofel | JohnFlux: kubuntu wants to use plymouth too, but afaik there's no artwork yet | 15:18 |
| JohnFlux | yofel: cool | 15:18 |
| JohnFlux | it's a shame that kubuntu tends to be a second class citizen :-/ | 15:18 |
| JohnFlux | btw, I just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04, and it no longer sees my laptop battery | 15:20 |
| JohnFlux | presumably a kernel regression? | 15:20 |
| yofel | they don't tend to, they just have very limited manpower, and sometimes they just don't get something done | 15:21 |
| yofel | JohnFlux: err... in kde? On bootup it shows 'no battery available' too, once I run byobu in a terminal the battery gets recognized o.O? | 15:22 |
| yofel | odd workaround, but it works for me | 15:22 |
| simba_ | i hope something like this plymouth theme will become default "space sunrise" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSg2rRj4HQ | 15:22 |
| yofel | dunno if someone reported that, I've been too busy with other stuff | 15:22 |
| JohnFlux | yofel: I just ran that in a terminal.. no battery so far .. :) | 15:23 |
| JohnFlux | hmm, this byobu looks interesting though :) | 15:23 |
| JohnFlux | yofel: what does it do? :) | 15:23 |
| yofel | byobu is profiled screen | 15:24 |
| JohnFlux | OO | 15:24 |
| yofel | very useful over ssh, but I use it locally too, so if X crashes or so I don't loose my terminal | 15:24 |
| JohnFlux | yofel: I toggled the battery display on | 15:24 |
| JohnFlux | and now KDE sees my battery :-D | 15:24 |
| JohnFlux | yofel: thanks for that :) | 15:25 |
| yofel | JohnFlux: oh yeah, I have the battery display on in byobu | 15:25 |
| yofel | like I said, odd workaround... | 15:25 |
| JohnFlux | indeed | 15:25 |
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| arand_ | If I want to update a bug report with the apport-collect of another package (e.g. ubuntu kernel, with mainline kernel), what is the command used? "apport-collect --package linux-image-2.6.33-999-generic -u 510571" Is not working. | 15:54 |
| yofel | arand_: and without the -u ? | 15:56 |
| arand_ | yofel: hmm, yea, that works... | 16:00 |
| * arand_ facepalms | 16:01 | |
| BUGabundo_remote | arand_: not your fault that keeps changing comands | 16:03 |
| arand_ | Soo yea, there: Bug #510571 Possibly VirtualBox-related. | 16:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 510571 in linux "Latest -11 kernel won't boot, -10 works, Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510571 | 16:04 |
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| lnostdal | nvidia-drivers seem totally messed up atm. | 16:24 |
| benste | hi, if I'd like to have a package merged from debian - what can I do? -https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiemu/+bug/221332 | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 221332 in tiemu "The tiemu package is heavily outdated" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 16:26 |
| yofel | lnostdal: yes, the packages will fail if installed from jockey afaik | 16:26 |
| yofel | benste: you should ask in #ubuntu-motu for this | 16:27 |
| benste | yofel: thx | 16:27 |
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| pasjr | I am trying to get my Ralink usb n wireless to work, my computer can see my network with it. However it fails to connect, any ideas? | 16:28 |
| yofel | pasjr: did you check the network manager and system logs? | 16:29 |
| yofel | then again, NM logs into syslog iirc | 16:30 |
| pasjr | no what am I looking for | 16:30 |
| yofel | not sure, It's been a while since I debugged NM, you should check the output of 'dmesg' as well as the contents of /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog after trying to connect | 16:31 |
| pasjr | dmesg :rtl819xE:request firmware fail! | 16:31 |
| pasjr | its weird in 9.04 it worked great but now 10.04 it only can see and will not connect, it times out | 16:32 |
| yofel | pasjr: hm, sounds like a regression, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-bugs what's the best way to file a but about wireless | 16:35 |
| pasjr | ok thank you | 16:35 |
| lnostdal | i do not understand why "nouveau" is being added to something which already is messy .. how do i get rid of this stuff so the driver everyone really wants to use anyway gets to do its thing? .. i'm currently getting "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig" from glxinfo, and i think it is related to the recently introduced nouveu or something mesa-related "taking over" | 16:41 |
| lnostdal | http://paste.lisp.org/display/93693 | 16:45 |
| lnostdal | yeah, stupid .so file .. sigh :} | 16:45 |
| yofel | lnostdal: is your system up to date? We did have a mesa mess a while ago. And what driver are you using? | 16:48 |
| lnostdal | i'll check | 16:52 |
| Sarvatt | what version does dpkg -l | grep mesa-utils say it is? | 17:06 |
| lnostdal | doing a purge of everything nvidia, then deleting xorg.conf and running nvidia-xconfig to create a new one seems to have helped for most software .. some 32bit stuff seems to load mesa-stuff still though, not sure yet (this is amd64 bit and i'm using a 64 bit os) | 17:08 |
| lnostdal | 7.7-0ubuntu8 , Sarvatt | 17:09 |
| lnostdal | 190.53-0ubuntu6 for nvidia-current | 17:10 |
| lnostdal | yeah, for 32bit stuff (e.g., wine) one need to do stuff like LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/nvidia-current/libGL.so | 17:22 |
| lnostdal | ..so something's up with the dynamic linking setup or something | 17:22 |
| lnostdal | http://lab.bachem-it.com/opengl/qtgears/ is a nice way to test this btw. | 17:28 |
| lnostdal | i.e.,"Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly" .. when not using LD_PRELOAD .. ok, i'll shut up now .. things work .. heh :) | 17:29 |
| arand_ | Anyone running -11 kernel in virtualbox care to confirm Bug #510571 ? | 17:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 510571 in linux "Latest -11 kernel won't boot, -10 works, Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510571 | 17:48 |
| gorgonizer | arand_: 2.6.32-11 kernel (amd64) works here in Virtualbox (3.1.2) | 18:03 |
| arand_ | Hmm, so possibly limited to 32bit/2.1.4_OSE... | 18:06 |
| gorgonizer | arand_: I don't use the OSE version of Virtualbox, not sure if that would make a difference.. | 18:06 |
| arand_ | Well, I guess different versions of VB, especially 2-/-3 might have some diffs in the emaulated hardware.. | 18:07 |
| arand_ | Hmm, let's see if I install VB in VB.. | 18:10 |
| ManDay | Should the bug filed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/419328 be fixed in the current repositories or only on some third party repo? I don't know how to read this | 18:16 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 419328 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945gme] attaching external monitor: laptop display is black, external monitor too, with frozen mouse coursor" [Unknown,Fix released] | 18:16 |
| ManDay | Just asking because my system is all-up-to-date (not bleeding edge) and it still crashes | 18:17 |
| yofel | ManDay: this was fixed in the upstream intel git repository, not in ubuntu yet | 18:20 |
| ManDay | Ok, so where do I find it? | 18:21 |
| ManDay | (Is the inteil git repo on l/p?) | 18:21 |
| yofel | ManDay: and according to comment #104 this is fixed in the xorg-updates ppa | 18:22 |
| ManDay | so with an up-to-date system it should be fixed indeed? | 18:22 |
| yofel | no, the fix is not in the karmic main archive but in the xorg-updates ppa and in Lucid | 18:23 |
| yofel | ManDay: follow the link to the ppa in comment 104 to get instructions how to get the updated package | 18:23 |
| yofel | hm, wait, it *should* be fixed in lucid if I get this right | 18:26 |
| yofel | now I'm confused myself -.- | 18:26 |
| ManDay | -.- | 18:33 |
| ManDay | When do you reckon will the patch make it to the main archives? | 18:34 |
| ManDay | the bug itsself is hardly bearable, and unpredictable somewhat. sometimes it happens sometimes not | 18:34 |
| ManDay | but whenever it happens you loose all data and the FS gets totally messed up | 18:35 |
| yofel | ManDay: I think you should ask in #ubuntu-x if you want more precise information, could take a while until someone answers you though | 18:36 |
| ManDay | ok thanks | 18:36 |
| burzki | the new update asks me to login after idle for a minute or two .. how to turn this off? | 19:13 |
| yofel | burzki: a) what new update? b) login into what? | 19:15 |
| burzki | just a daily update i did yesterday. asks me to log back into my active session.. if i walk away from my machine for a couple minutes and come back, i am prompted with a user login window to get back to what i was doing. this is new. i couldn't find a setting for it. i dont want to have to type my password everytime i get up for coffee | 19:17 |
| yofel | are you using gnome/kde/...? | 19:18 |
| burzki | gnome | 19:19 |
| yofel | dunno then, I use KDE and it works fine | 19:19 |
| burzki | maybe i found it -- 'lockscreen' in screensaver settings | 19:26 |
| gnomefreak76 | bui am running into that as well but it should be as simple as changing setting in screensaver dialog | 19:39 |
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| Mike1_ | hey! | 20:38 |
| Mike1_ | is there any way to see libxine 1.1.17 in lucid? | 20:38 |
| Mike1_ | the current 1.1.16 plays flac-files in a very disorted way | 20:38 |
| leftyfb | Do we know if FF 3.6 is going to be included in 10.04 LTS? | 21:06 |
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| skydrome | !release schedule | 21:19 |
| skydrome | !milestone | 21:19 |
| yofel | !schedule | skydrome | 21:20 |
| ubottu | skydrome: A schedule of Lucid Lynx (10.04) release milestones can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | 21:20 |
| skydrome | there we go : | 21:20 |
| leftyfb | yofel: any idea if FF 3.6 is going to make it in? | 21:20 |
| yofel | leftyfb: afaik it should make it in | 21:21 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: don't know if you got my message | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: but that tip you gave me didn't work... LCD was still on | 21:40 |
| yofel | lcd? | 21:40 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: you can't turn the screen off? | 21:41 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: not when I'm 30KMs away | 21:42 |
| BUGabundo | and forgot the LCD on | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | I hate to spend energy | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | so I asked if anyone knew how to turn if off | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | the laptop LCD | 21:43 |
| yofel | wasn't there something like 'xset dpms force off' ? | 21:43 |
| yofel | works on my eeePC here | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | yes | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | well it does turn it off | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | but not tottaly | 21:44 |
| yofel | and force standby / suspend? | 21:45 |
| BUGabundo | same | 21:46 |
| yofel | :/ | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | its close enouth | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | what I really wanted was to do the same as the hardware button | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | but not sure I can do it via soft | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | maybe a kernel echo to somewhere | 21:47 |
| Ian_Corne | new ff boots really fast | 21:49 |
| Ian_Corne | :) | 21:49 |
| BUGabundo | 3.6? yes it's a new kind of build | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | static linked | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | but I tested it all today | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | Chromium beats them by allot | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | firefox-3.7 "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'` | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | firefox "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'` | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | chromium-browser –user-data-dir=/tmp/chrome "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'` | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | hi emma | 21:51 |
| emma | Hi there BUGabundo | 21:52 |
| IDWMaster | I got the <10 second boot time working now. | 22:04 |
| IDWMaster | It boots in 5 seconds | 22:04 |
| IDWMaster | Wasn't the goal about 10 seconds or less? | 22:05 |
| bjsnider | 5 seconds? | 22:05 |
| IDWMaster | Yes, on an i7 CPU | 22:05 |
| bjsnider | with a standard magnetic drive? | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | SSD? | 22:05 |
| IDWMaster | Standard drive. 5 seconds is the time to the login screen | 22:06 |
| bjsnider | it might be instantaneous on an SSD then | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | I don't believe it | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | get me bootcharts | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | or it didn't happen | 22:06 |
| IDWMaster | How do I get those? | 22:06 |
| * BUGabundo uploads newer pngs | 22:06 | |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: install bootchart | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | and reboot a few times | 22:07 |
| yofel | !bootchart | 22:07 |
| ubottu | bootchart charts your machine at boot time, to install >> sudo apt-get install bootchart << the graphic is in /var/log/bootchart after the next reboot | 22:07 |
| IDWMaster | Installing | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | there we go | 22:07 |
| IDWMaster | Generating kernel image | 22:07 |
| bjsnider | 10 seconds is the goal i think. 5 seconds would be a major overachievment | 22:07 |
| IDWMaster | I'll be back | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | ok its more then 10 sec till he get back | 22:08 |
| Tscheesy | ^^ | 22:09 |
| RAOF | Now with irc client that won't (hopefully) bounce after netsplits! | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | 1 min now | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: LOL | 22:09 |
| bjsnider | maybe he's looking at the boot chart | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | ahha | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | 2 min down | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | bahh | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | failed reboot | 22:09 |
| yofel | no, booted in 5 seconds, but now X crashes on every login :P | 22:11 |
| bjsnider | maybe he's doctoring the bootchart so it falsely reports that it took 5 seconds | 22:11 |
| Tscheesy | maybe it was the machine next to him he booted before | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | I'm uploading newer ones to http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ | 22:13 |
| BUGabundo | very very old ones here http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/ | 22:14 |
| bjsnider | nothing has been changed in the lucid archive that would cause this guy to boot in 5 seconds right? | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | upload done | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | incase anyone want to check out | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: not to my knowlage | 22:16 |
| bjsnider | how long does it take you? | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | douh he does have a very fast CPU | 22:16 |
| RAOF | Well, on a significantly faster processor than the 10 second netbook-boot, I'd guess that 5 seconds isn't beyond the realms of possibility. | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: why ask? you have the same data as me :D | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | RAOF: I had a friend do 9 secs on SSD in karmic | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | so its possible | 22:17 |
| RAOF | SSDs make booting fun! | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | kernel .32 is faster too | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | ssds make resume FUN | 22:17 |
| Sarvatt | resume?! | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | from hibernate | 22:18 |
| Sarvatt | suspend/resume is <1 second with a crappy rotational | 22:18 |
| IDWMaster | Where do I upload the file? | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | wb IDWMaster | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: not from hibernate (to disk) | 22:18 |
| IDWMaster | Where do I go to upload it? | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: imgbin ? | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | dropbox? | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | ubuntu one ? | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: here are mine http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | 24 sec to me, till GDS | 22:20 |
| BUGabundo | *GDM | 22:20 |
| yofel | here's mine: EeePC 1000H with SSD http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/yofel-eee-lucid-20100121-1.png | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | 19secs | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | not bed | 22:21 |
| IDWMaster | OK. I found an image hosting service at ELCNET Cloud Computing. I'll create an account and upload there | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | but I expected much better | 22:21 |
| IDWMaster | I'll report back when I'm done uploading | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | LOL IDWMaster | 22:21 |
| yofel | wtf? | 22:21 |
| bjsnider | IDWMaster, did it take 5 seconds that time too? | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: don't you agree 19 is too much ? | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | why did he leave!?!? | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: how long are yours in karmic? | 22:24 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: well, it takes 8 till Xorg, and KDM was never that fast | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | ehe | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | your SSD peaks at 91MBs | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | mine 5400 peaks at 61 | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | your services kill you | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | mysql and SSH | 22:27 |
| yofel | huh? why the f*** do I have mysqld running here o.O | 22:27 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, to the login screen 15 seconds i think | 22:27 |
| yofel | ssh is wanted | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: KDE uses mysql DB ! | 22:28 |
| yofel | ah, might be | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: bootcharts or it didn't happen | 22:28 |
| leftyfb | yofel: kill ipv6 and you might get ssh to start faster | 22:28 |
| bjsnider | too lazy for that | 22:28 |
| yofel | leftyfb: how? | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: kernel paramter | 22:29 |
| leftyfb | http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu-910.html | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | only way now, since its built in | 22:29 |
| yofel | leftyfb, BUGabundo: thx, I'll check it | 22:30 |
| IDWMaster | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-KbV7gGu2d8/S1jVLoJqn1I/AAAAAAAAAC4/z3tAy_wMgKo/s1600/brian-desktop-lucid-20100121-2.png | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | cool | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | too small | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 22:31 |
| yofel | lol | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: you got a bigger, non compressed one ? | 22:32 |
| IDWMaster | I'll look into another service | 22:32 |
| Sarvatt | http://sarvatt.com/downloads/asuka-lucid-20100121-2.png | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: http://imagebin.ca/ | 22:32 |
| Sarvatt | plymouth solar theme uses a *ton* of cpu there :D | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: I would redo my ureadahead list :( | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | yours is HUGGEEEE | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: your poor atom is going crazy | 22:33 |
| IDWMaster | 5 seconds to Xserver init, 13 seconds for everything else to load it looks like | 22:33 |
| BUGabundo | up and down | 22:33 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: 3.5sec udev is too much for that netboot :\ | 22:33 |
| BUGabundo | and 62 MB/s aint that great for an SSD | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | do you have it booting from a slower SSD? | 22:34 |
| Sarvatt | this isnt an SSD | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | it isn't ?!?! | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | that explains a lot | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | 31 secs to GDM | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | plymouth and nautilus are using lost of CPU | 22:35 |
| BUGabundo | hey JontheEchidna | 22:35 |
| JontheEchidna | hi | 22:36 |
| BUGabundo | JontheEchidna: we are comparing bootcharts, care so share yours ? | 22:36 |
| IDWMaster | Full resolution | 22:36 |
| IDWMaster | http://elcnet.servehttp.com/resources/cloud/images/1cc7254e353198408c09735923e1a87fbrian-desktop-lucid-20100121-2.png | 22:36 |
| BUGabundo | would be nice to see a few from KDE | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | I must profess I haven't been doing bootcharts | 22:36 |
| BUGabundo | oh oh | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | s/profess/confess | 22:36 |
| IDWMaster | Actual time looks like 13 for everything :( | 22:36 |
| IDWMaster | Not sure if I'm reading it right though? | 22:37 |
| IDWMaster | Is the number at the top the time for all services to start? | 22:37 |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: really short bootchart | 22:37 |
| BUGabundo | lucky u | 22:37 |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: its time tilll it stop... a few secs after login, and IO calms down | 22:38 |
| IDWMaster | OK. | 22:38 |
| IDWMaster | So 13 is good? | 22:38 |
| IDWMaster | http://elcnet.servehttp.com/resources/cloud/images/1cc7254e353198408c09735923e1a87fbrian-desktop-lucid-20100121-2.png | 22:38 |
| IDWMaster | Does the link work? | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | you got 3.8 sec to GDM | 22:38 |
| IDWMaster | It should be full-resolution according to the documentation. | 22:38 |
| IDWMaster | That's really good! | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | yes it works | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | your modem manager is making you loose like 1,5 sec | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | do you have 3G or something IDWMaster? | 22:39 |
| IDWMaster | I have IDW access (new type of connection) | 22:39 |
| IDWMaster | It's a beta protocol | 22:39 |
| IDWMaster | P2P virtual networking | 22:40 |
| BUGabundo | don't know what that is | 22:40 |
| BUGabundo | is it like n2n or hamachi? | 22:40 |
| IDWMaster | It's a virtual networking adapter that speeds up the connection, and it allows the resolution of IDW addresses | 22:40 |
| IDWMaster | IDW is P2P based, but requires low-level support | 22:40 |
| IDWMaster | Addresses like IDW://idw.elc.ids | 22:41 |
| IDWMaster | That's why my name's IDWMaster | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | weird | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | yeah I figured as much | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | link so I can read it later | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | please | 22:41 |
| IDWMaster | Read the boot chart? | 22:42 |
| IDWMaster | http://elcnet.servehttp.com/resources/cloud/images/1cc7254e353198408c09735923e1a87fbrian-desktop-lucid-20100121-2.png | 22:42 |
| IDWMaster | I'm not sure why it boots so fast now. | 22:42 |
| BUGabundo | yeo | 22:42 |
| IDWMaster | It just suddenly started booting faster. | 22:42 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 22:43 |
| IDWMaster | It didn't see all of my RAM before either. | 22:43 |
| IDWMaster | I'm using an Asus motherboard, and only 4GB of RAM. | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: what kernel you have? | 22:43 |
| IDWMaster | DDR3 | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | maybe a bug in bios, or wrong aberture hole | 22:43 |
| IDWMaster | I have 2.6.32-10-generic | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | but is it 32bits or 64 ? | 22:44 |
| IDWMaster | 64 bit | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | check a bios upgrade then | 22:44 |
| IDWMaster | It says everything in the bootchart. | 22:44 |
| IDWMaster | Disk throughput is 143MBPS | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | or docs on the memory hole | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 22:44 |
| IDWMaster | I'll try booting from SSD later when I get one of those drives. | 22:45 |
| IDWMaster | I don't have one yet though. | 22:45 |
| IDWMaster | I used to be able to boot from an SD card | 22:45 |
| bjsnider | IDWMaster, you're using dual-channel DDR with a core i7? | 22:46 |
| IDWMaster | Yes. | 22:46 |
| bjsnider | unfortunate | 22:47 |
| IDWMaster | What's the memory hole by the way? | 22:47 |
| bjsnider | the place where inconvenient information is thrown in the book "1984" | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | IDWMaster: a way motherboards specify how to address more then 3GB of RAM | 22:48 |
| IDWMaster | I use Mono for development, and that starts almost instantly | 22:49 |
| IDWMaster | How do you compile apps for 64 bit in Mono? | 22:50 |
| IDWMaster | I only see 32 bit options for some reason. | 22:50 |
| IDWMaster | I'm working on a unified chat program which uses the IDW adapter. | 22:51 |
| IDWMaster | It's on Launchpad | 22:52 |
| IDWMaster | https://launchpad.net/universal | 22:52 |
| IDWMaster | Just started it though | 22:52 |
| XiXaQ | I'm really excited about gnome-shell and zeitgeist. I'd like to hear from people with experience from it in lucid. | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | XiXaQ: seems most that tried it didn't like it | 23:07 |
| XiXaQ | like it? The features or the current state of affairs? | 23:08 |
| XiXaQ | I've used gnome-shell for a while, and I really love it. | 23:08 |
| XiXaQ | I hated it to begin with, but someone I know to be very competent spoke warmly about it, so I gave it a second go, and when I got used to it, I began to see the big advantages of it. I haven't looked at zeitgeist yet, though, but that's also something I've been longing for forever. | 23:09 |
| XiXaQ | tagging is much better than navigating through hierarchies, I think. | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | I guess it needs to be hammered into our habbits | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | just like bottom nautilus tabs :\ | 23:11 |
| BluesKaj | XiXaQ, so what are the gnome-shell advantages in your experience? | 23:12 |
| XiXaQ | much better workspaces, for instance. | 23:13 |
| XiXaQ | and I like the activities pane. | 23:13 |
| IDWMaster | I've ran another bootchart | 23:52 |
| IDWMaster | It boots slower on SSDs than moving disks for some reason | 23:53 |
| IDWMaster | Although the raw transfer speed is a lot faster on SSDs | 23:53 |
| IDWMaster | 310MBPS compared to 143MBPS | 23:53 |
| IDWMaster | 3.8 sec boot time to GDM is pretty fast | 23:54 |
| simba_ | i run lucid of ssd, and i think it is very responcive, havent tried bootchart yet | 23:55 |
| IDWMaster | use | 23:55 |
| IDWMaster | apt-get install bootchart | 23:55 |
| IDWMaster | Then look in /var/logs/bootchart | 23:55 |
| yofel | /var/log/bootchart | 23:56 |
| IDWMaster | Intel SSD? | 23:56 |
| IDWMaster | Has anyone compared SSD boot performance to regular HDD performance yet? | 23:57 |
| simba_ | not sure who makes them....it is kingston stickers on :P | 23:57 |
| IDWMaster | Is it one of the 80GB models? | 23:57 |
| simba_ | 128 | 23:58 |
| simba_ | testing...brb | 23:58 |
| IDWMaster | Must not be Intel. | 23:58 |
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