[01:25] Hi there, quick question.. is fglrx completely borked in alpha 2? [01:26] * jamalta is doing another update today to see if issue gets resolved [01:32] jamalta: I don't think fglrx works with the xserver and kernel in lucid yet, you'll have to use the -ati driver in the meantime [01:33] i'll feel pretty lucky if the the next fglrx driver works with this latest Xorg and bleeding edge kernel ;-) [01:33] ripps: let me try that [01:43] onetinsoldier: i guess i should have considered that before i upgraded ;) [01:43] don't i still have the older kernel? [01:44] * jamalta waits for the upgrade to finish to check the kernels he has [01:46] what's the default kernel in karmic? [01:46] jamalta: 2.6.31-14 [01:46] crimsun: gracias === jamalta is now known as jamalta-afk [03:17] the development snapshot of gnome-shell from today contains a new feature. under the account name menu, there is now a "sidebar" checkbox, that once checked results in a column on the left side of the screen with a list of frequently used applications and a clock. the sidebar can also be made smaller and auto-hides. [03:17] also contains recent documents [03:21] thanks for the update bjsnider :) [03:26] Um. That's been in there for *ages* [03:26] has it? i didn't notice [03:26] Yeah, because it's ugly, space-consuming, and mostly useless. [03:27] it auto-hides [03:27] it has a low-profile mode [03:27] but it is ugly [03:27] right now [03:29] Yeah. It's *been* ugly for about 6 months, I think [03:29] (It's also been useless for the same period of time) [03:29] Unless they've suddenly whipped up an actually interesting sidebar. [03:30] it still doesn't match the black theme [03:30] i think gnome-shell still have a long way to go before it is ready for the common user... [03:30] but it has a low-profile mode that makes the icons very small, and then auto-hides it down to a few pixels [03:31] The one that I'm seeing goes down to 10-20ish pixels, is ugly, and pointless. Is that the one you're seeing? :) [03:32] i dunno. want to take a screenshot? [03:35] Not particularly, really. [03:38] hehe, I remember someone (DBO?) once asked me for a screenshot, and I warned that it would be the most boring thing ever: lots of x-terminal-emulators, lots of code [03:43] Mine won't be boring; having wandered through the gjs/mozjs wasteland to fix it I'm just a little sick of gnome-shell :). [03:48] RAOF, fix it? it ain't broke [03:48] bjsnider: Have you tried to install gnome-shell from the Lucid repositories? [03:48] you meant he dependency on mozjs? [03:49] i'm using a ppa right now. i understand that there was a problem with the one in lucid [03:50] Yes. There still is (until gjs gets rebuilt & I queue a gnome-shell build) [03:50] It's been broken for some months. === Terminus1 is now known as Terminus [04:50] ok, here's a real difference. the new gnome-shell has notifications coming through the bottom of the screen in bubbles [04:58] gnome-shell is broken right now though? in lucid? [05:00] gtk themes still look old and one-dimensional. they need a 3d look [05:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/492392 [05:07] Ubuntu bug 492392 in linux "[lucid, intel] After suspend, flickering screen and then blank screen." [Medium,Fix released] [05:07] gryargh [05:12] hmm, is it possible to install dropbox on the csc space? [05:12] damn, 218M. [05:12] quota is 300M. [05:14] ooh, vogon has htop. [05:14] spiffy. [05:14] er, sorry, wrong channel. [05:14] again. [05:58] Hello, just wanted to let you know that PPPOE still doesn't work with alpha 2 ... [05:58] will that be fixed ? [07:56] Hey all [07:57] When I boot up, it gets to the KDE login prompty and the keyboard and mouse don't work [07:58] that's if I boot with an older kernel [07:58] if I boot with the latest kernel, I get no graphics at all - the screen just goes gray at the time when xorg should start up [07:59] anyone know how I can fix it? :-/ [08:19] maybe what video driver [08:25] updating fixed xorg :) [08:25] but now I have no sound [08:25] also apps crash when I quit. This is a bug in Qt - kubuntu needs to depend on the latest version Qt [08:25] Qt 4.6.1 [08:36] good [08:37] installing pulseaudio fixed the audio :) [08:37] actually [08:37] one of my mixers was set to mute [08:37] that was the reason :-/ [08:38] in the upgrade it got set to mute for something [08:38] *some reason [08:46] morning [08:47] who can tell me what and where to echo something so my LCD will turn off, remotelly via SSH [08:47] I forgot to turn it of, and I hate to spend energy :( [08:51] ugh, why are my nautilus tabs on the bottom of the window? [08:52] BUGabundo_remote, x running? [08:52] cwillu UI feature [08:52] they choose to be like that [08:52] xset dpms force off [08:52] I have a bug in LP and upstream [08:52] applied. how do I test? [08:52] heh [08:52] "test" [08:52] since I'm 30 KMs away ? [08:53] you'll find out in the morning :p [08:53] your default power properties doesn't turn off the backlight after however long? [08:53] its morning already [08:53] I left for work... and forgot to turn it off [08:54] ill be back home in 11h :\ [08:55] BUGabundo_remote, actually, even doing a remote chvt (assuming that vt switching works on your setup) should do it, as the kernel should timeout the monitor [08:55] * om26er notices daily live cd have decreased in size [08:55] om26er, oversight, it'll be fixed for alpha3 [08:55] * cwillu insists on cd images that require dvd's to burn :p [08:56] is the plan of removing GIMP dropped? [08:57] cwillu im remotelly connected via FreeNX [08:57] I have all my X, except for composite/3D [08:57] or access to TTYs since I can't capture keyboard special keys [08:58] ah, in that case I don't think you can turn things off, as the use of the session would reactivate the monitor, no? [08:58] might be able to do something with killall -STOP'ing gnome-power-manager and gnome-screensaver, although I'm not sure what other processes may get involved [08:59] xorg.log might tell you something of interest as to whether the monitors are staying in suspend/standby though [09:00] cwillu no, since this is an entirely diff nested X [09:00] okay, then what I said originally should work [09:01] ill see if it worked when I get home [09:01] you have a beer on me, if it does :D [09:06] I can't believe I'm about to use a virtualbox with usb passthrough to get this soundcard working [09:07] ehe [09:07] who do I bug to make sure that 10.04 ships with Qt 4.6.1 ? [09:07] doesn't work with alsa/PA ? [09:08] and there he goes :\ [09:09] Will 10.04 use KDE 4.4 ? [09:14] I would think so [09:14] hey Sarvatt [09:16] BUGabundo_remote, still here :p [09:16] BUGabundo_remote, I compiled alsa to make it work once, I'll be damned if I can reproduce it on the machine I need it for though :p [09:18] BUGabundo_remote, m-audio fast track ultra [09:19] ah, goodie; the device shows up in usb passthrough if I run virtualbox as root [09:19] * cwillu cringes [09:20] MEDO [09:20] next I'm gonna use ie6 to browse for the windows driver :D [09:20] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [09:21] first things I do when I ever install XP: install firefox, install 7zip [09:22] after I've run windows update for an hour [09:22] ran! [09:23] oh, this wasn't OT channel [09:24] sorry, I get offtopic sometimes [09:35] * cwillu submits an application to m-audio's private beta program [09:56] noooooo, the new bash-completion got merged with its totally insane host browsing :( [09:56] * Ng works up some calm for a sensible bug report [09:56] Ng, yay, the new bash-completion got merged with the insane completion quoting fixed! :) [09:57] orly? [09:58] I didn't have any problems with quoting, but I do very much not want avahi-browse spewing errors and taking 30s to timeout every time I tab complete a hostname ;) [10:03] Ng, I use menu-complete (aka hippie completion/tab-per-completion), which has been broken due to some misguided quoting in /etc/bash_completion [10:05] cwillu: ah [10:05] I use zsh. [10:06] * cwillu compares jpds to the people who come into #ubuntu to say "I use arch" to the people troubleshooting stuff [10:07] jpds: zsh is much better in autcomplete, right? [10:08] BUGabundo_remote: zsh is the win at everything. [12:50] hi [12:53] hello [13:07] is ati binary working on lucid? [13:10] BUGabundo_remote: the status menu is part of the the new indicator-me.. [13:11] hasnt been fully implemented yet [13:11] I don't care [13:11] is ati binary working on lucid? [13:11] don't like half cooked stuff [13:11] indus: stop repeating your self [13:11] we read it already [13:11] hmm, [13:12] is important for me [13:12] so had to make sure someone got that [13:13] indus: would be ehlpful if you gave us an users case on how to check. not everyone in the channel would know how to test :) [13:13] * gnomefreak has other things to worry about that ati [13:14] gnomefreak, well, i just followed the release notes for lucid which said it didnt [13:14] just wondered if some new support dropped in === iflema is now known as tremmons === nhandler is now known as Guest89937 [13:46] what apt line should I add for chromium in Lucid [13:47] Pici, [13:48] alokito: chromium PPA [13:48] either daily, dev or beta [13:49] hmm [13:49] ok [13:52] could someone add Qt 4.6.1 please [13:53] 4.6.0 is very buggy, making a lot of programs nearly unusable [13:53] speed wise, crashes, etc [13:54] JohnFlux: you should really file a bug on it that way it will get seen by right people (not all devs are in this channel [13:54] thanks [13:55] np [13:55] JohnFlux: you should ask in #kubuntu-devel, but I doubt we will package qt ourselves, usually it's synced from debian [13:58] yofel: it has to be acked by Riddel and IIRC he doesnt spend a whole lot of time at keyboard in that channel [14:37] What's the current kernel? [14:39] 2.6.32-11-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP [14:40] Is that one working for you btw? Fails to boot here [14:40] working without any problems here [14:40] arand_: wfm [14:45] Do you think will lucid ship 2.6.33? I ask because I have an SSD and .33 has in-kernel TRIM support [14:48] Oli``, I am running of an ssd and lucid havent touched the swap partition yet. [15:11] is there magic to make plymouth do exciting shiny things? [15:13] sudo plymouth-set-default-theme solar --rebuild-initrd [15:14] Sarvatt: is plymouth only for ubuntu, and not kubuntu? [15:16] Sarvatt: its up and running again? [15:16] is it instalable even ? [15:16] has been for a long time now, just not working without KMS yet I dont think [15:17] and i have no idea JohnFlux, it should be for both but the transition might not be as pretty :D [15:18] JohnFlux: kubuntu wants to use plymouth too, but afaik there's no artwork yet [15:18] yofel: cool [15:18] it's a shame that kubuntu tends to be a second class citizen :-/ [15:20] btw, I just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04, and it no longer sees my laptop battery [15:20] presumably a kernel regression? [15:21] they don't tend to, they just have very limited manpower, and sometimes they just don't get something done [15:22] JohnFlux: err... in kde? On bootup it shows 'no battery available' too, once I run byobu in a terminal the battery gets recognized o.O? [15:22] odd workaround, but it works for me [15:22] i hope something like this plymouth theme will become default "space sunrise" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSg2rRj4HQ [15:22] dunno if someone reported that, I've been too busy with other stuff [15:23] yofel: I just ran that in a terminal.. no battery so far .. :) [15:23] hmm, this byobu looks interesting though :) [15:23] yofel: what does it do? :) [15:24] byobu is profiled screen [15:24] OO [15:24] very useful over ssh, but I use it locally too, so if X crashes or so I don't loose my terminal [15:24] yofel: I toggled the battery display on [15:24] and now KDE sees my battery :-D [15:25] yofel: thanks for that :) [15:25] JohnFlux: oh yeah, I have the battery display on in byobu [15:25] like I said, odd workaround... [15:25] indeed === AaronMT_ is now known as AaronMT [15:54] If I want to update a bug report with the apport-collect of another package (e.g. ubuntu kernel, with mainline kernel), what is the command used? "apport-collect --package linux-image-2.6.33-999-generic -u 510571" Is not working. [15:56] arand_: and without the -u ? [16:00] yofel: hmm, yea, that works... [16:01] * arand_ facepalms [16:03] arand_: not your fault that keeps changing comands [16:04] Soo yea, there: Bug #510571 Possibly VirtualBox-related. [16:04] Launchpad bug 510571 in linux "Latest -11 kernel won't boot, -10 works, Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510571 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === deegee_1 is now known as deegee [16:24] nvidia-drivers seem totally messed up atm. [16:26] hi, if I'd like to have a package merged from debian - what can I do? -https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiemu/+bug/221332 [16:26] Ubuntu bug 221332 in tiemu "The tiemu package is heavily outdated" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [16:26] lnostdal: yes, the packages will fail if installed from jockey afaik [16:27] benste: you should ask in #ubuntu-motu for this [16:27] yofel: thx === Dink|W is now known as Dink [16:28] I am trying to get my Ralink usb n wireless to work, my computer can see my network with it. However it fails to connect, any ideas? [16:29] pasjr: did you check the network manager and system logs? [16:30] then again, NM logs into syslog iirc [16:30] no what am I looking for [16:31] not sure, It's been a while since I debugged NM, you should check the output of 'dmesg' as well as the contents of /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog after trying to connect [16:31] dmesg :rtl819xE:request firmware fail! [16:32] its weird in 9.04 it worked great but now 10.04 it only can see and will not connect, it times out [16:35] pasjr: hm, sounds like a regression, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-bugs what's the best way to file a but about wireless [16:35] ok thank you [16:41] i do not understand why "nouveau" is being added to something which already is messy .. how do i get rid of this stuff so the driver everyone really wants to use anyway gets to do its thing? .. i'm currently getting "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig" from glxinfo, and i think it is related to the recently introduced nouveu or something mesa-related "taking over" [16:45] http://paste.lisp.org/display/93693 [16:45] yeah, stupid .so file .. sigh :} [16:48] lnostdal: is your system up to date? We did have a mesa mess a while ago. And what driver are you using? [16:52] i'll check [17:06] what version does dpkg -l | grep mesa-utils say it is? [17:08] doing a purge of everything nvidia, then deleting xorg.conf and running nvidia-xconfig to create a new one seems to have helped for most software .. some 32bit stuff seems to load mesa-stuff still though, not sure yet (this is amd64 bit and i'm using a 64 bit os) [17:09] 7.7-0ubuntu8 , Sarvatt [17:10] 190.53-0ubuntu6 for nvidia-current [17:22] yeah, for 32bit stuff (e.g., wine) one need to do stuff like LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/nvidia-current/libGL.so [17:22] ..so something's up with the dynamic linking setup or something [17:28] http://lab.bachem-it.com/opengl/qtgears/ is a nice way to test this btw. [17:29] i.e.,"Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly" .. when not using LD_PRELOAD .. ok, i'll shut up now .. things work .. heh :) [17:48] Anyone running -11 kernel in virtualbox care to confirm Bug #510571 ? [17:48] Launchpad bug 510571 in linux "Latest -11 kernel won't boot, -10 works, Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510571 [18:03] arand_: 2.6.32-11 kernel (amd64) works here in Virtualbox (3.1.2) [18:06] Hmm, so possibly limited to 32bit/2.1.4_OSE... [18:06] arand_: I don't use the OSE version of Virtualbox, not sure if that would make a difference.. [18:07] Well, I guess different versions of VB, especially 2-/-3 might have some diffs in the emaulated hardware.. [18:10] Hmm, let's see if I install VB in VB.. [18:16] Should the bug filed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/419328 be fixed in the current repositories or only on some third party repo? I don't know how to read this [18:16] Ubuntu bug 419328 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945gme] attaching external monitor: laptop display is black, external monitor too, with frozen mouse coursor" [Unknown,Fix released] [18:17] Just asking because my system is all-up-to-date (not bleeding edge) and it still crashes [18:20] ManDay: this was fixed in the upstream intel git repository, not in ubuntu yet [18:21] Ok, so where do I find it? [18:21] (Is the inteil git repo on l/p?) [18:22] ManDay: and according to comment #104 this is fixed in the xorg-updates ppa [18:22] so with an up-to-date system it should be fixed indeed? [18:23] no, the fix is not in the karmic main archive but in the xorg-updates ppa and in Lucid [18:23] ManDay: follow the link to the ppa in comment 104 to get instructions how to get the updated package [18:26] hm, wait, it *should* be fixed in lucid if I get this right [18:26] now I'm confused myself -.- [18:33] -.- [18:34] When do you reckon will the patch make it to the main archives? [18:34] the bug itsself is hardly bearable, and unpredictable somewhat. sometimes it happens sometimes not [18:35] but whenever it happens you loose all data and the FS gets totally messed up [18:36] ManDay: I think you should ask in #ubuntu-x if you want more precise information, could take a while until someone answers you though [18:36] ok thanks [19:13] the new update asks me to login after idle for a minute or two .. how to turn this off? [19:15] burzki: a) what new update? b) login into what? [19:17] just a daily update i did yesterday. asks me to log back into my active session.. if i walk away from my machine for a couple minutes and come back, i am prompted with a user login window to get back to what i was doing. this is new. i couldn't find a setting for it. i dont want to have to type my password everytime i get up for coffee [19:18] are you using gnome/kde/...? [19:19] gnome [19:19] dunno then, I use KDE and it works fine [19:26] maybe i found it -- 'lockscreen' in screensaver settings [19:39] bui am running into that as well but it should be as simple as changing setting in screensaver dialog === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak === arand__ is now known as arand === malnilion_ is now known as malnilion [20:38] hey! [20:38] is there any way to see libxine 1.1.17 in lucid? [20:38] the current 1.1.16 plays flac-files in a very disorted way [21:06] Do we know if FF 3.6 is going to be included in 10.04 LTS? === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez [21:19] !release schedule [21:19] !milestone [21:20] !schedule | skydrome [21:20] skydrome: A schedule of Lucid Lynx (10.04) release milestones can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule [21:20] there we go : [21:20] yofel: any idea if FF 3.6 is going to make it in? [21:21] leftyfb: afaik it should make it in [21:39] cwillu: don't know if you got my message [21:40] cwillu: but that tip you gave me didn't work... LCD was still on [21:40] lcd? [21:41] BUGabundo: you can't turn the screen off? [21:42] yofel: not when I'm 30KMs away [21:43] and forgot the LCD on [21:43] I hate to spend energy [21:43] so I asked if anyone knew how to turn if off [21:43] the laptop LCD [21:43] wasn't there something like 'xset dpms force off' ? [21:43] works on my eeePC here [21:43] yes [21:44] humm [21:44] well it does turn it off [21:44] but not tottaly [21:45] and force standby / suspend? [21:46] same [21:46] :/ [21:46] its close enouth [21:46] what I really wanted was to do the same as the hardware button [21:47] but not sure I can do it via soft [21:47] maybe a kernel echo to somewhere [21:49] new ff boots really fast [21:49] :) [21:50] 3.6? yes it's a new kind of build [21:50] static linked [21:50] but I tested it all today [21:50] Chromium beats them by allot [21:51] firefox-3.7 "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'` [21:51] firefox "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'` [21:51] chromium-browser –user-data-dir=/tmp/chrome "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'` [21:51] hi emma [21:52] Hi there BUGabundo [22:04] I got the <10 second boot time working now. [22:04] It boots in 5 seconds [22:05] Wasn't the goal about 10 seconds or less? [22:05] 5 seconds? [22:05] Yes, on an i7 CPU [22:05] with a standard magnetic drive? [22:05] SSD? [22:06] Standard drive. 5 seconds is the time to the login screen [22:06] it might be instantaneous on an SSD then [22:06] I don't believe it [22:06] get me bootcharts [22:06] or it didn't happen [22:06] How do I get those? [22:06] * BUGabundo uploads newer pngs [22:07] IDWMaster: install bootchart [22:07] and reboot a few times [22:07] !bootchart [22:07] bootchart charts your machine at boot time, to install >> sudo apt-get install bootchart << the graphic is in /var/log/bootchart after the next reboot [22:07] Installing [22:07] there we go [22:07] Generating kernel image [22:07] 10 seconds is the goal i think. 5 seconds would be a major overachievment [22:08] I'll be back [22:08] ok its more then 10 sec till he get back [22:09] ^^ [22:09] Now with irc client that won't (hopefully) bounce after netsplits! [22:09] 1 min now [22:09] RAOF: LOL [22:09] maybe he's looking at the boot chart [22:09] ahha [22:09] 2 min down [22:09] bahh [22:09] failed reboot [22:11] no, booted in 5 seconds, but now X crashes on every login :P [22:11] maybe he's doctoring the bootchart so it falsely reports that it took 5 seconds [22:11] maybe it was the machine next to him he booted before [22:13] I'm uploading newer ones to http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ [22:14] very very old ones here http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/ [22:14] nothing has been changed in the lucid archive that would cause this guy to boot in 5 seconds right? [22:16] upload done [22:16] incase anyone want to check out [22:16] bjsnider: not to my knowlage [22:16] how long does it take you? [22:16] douh he does have a very fast CPU [22:16] Well, on a significantly faster processor than the 10 second netbook-boot, I'd guess that 5 seconds isn't beyond the realms of possibility. [22:16] bjsnider: why ask? you have the same data as me :D [22:17] RAOF: I had a friend do 9 secs on SSD in karmic [22:17] so its possible [22:17] SSDs make booting fun! [22:17] kernel .32 is faster too [22:17] ssds make resume FUN [22:17] resume?! [22:18] from hibernate [22:18] suspend/resume is <1 second with a crappy rotational [22:18] Where do I upload the file? [22:18] wb IDWMaster [22:18] Sarvatt: not from hibernate (to disk) [22:18] Where do I go to upload it? [22:18] IDWMaster: imgbin ? [22:18] dropbox? [22:18] ubuntu one ? [22:19] IDWMaster: here are mine http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ [22:20] 24 sec to me, till GDS [22:20] *GDM [22:21] here's mine: EeePC 1000H with SSD http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/yofel-eee-lucid-20100121-1.png [22:21] 19secs [22:21] not bed [22:21] OK. I found an image hosting service at ELCNET Cloud Computing. I'll create an account and upload there [22:21] but I expected much better [22:21] I'll report back when I'm done uploading [22:21] LOL IDWMaster [22:21] wtf? [22:21] IDWMaster, did it take 5 seconds that time too? [22:22] yofel: don't you agree 19 is too much ? [22:24] why did he leave!?!? [22:24] bjsnider: how long are yours in karmic? [22:25] BUGabundo: well, it takes 8 till Xorg, and KDM was never that fast [22:25] ehe [22:26] your SSD peaks at 91MBs [22:26] mine 5400 peaks at 61 [22:27] your services kill you [22:27] mysql and SSH [22:27] huh? why the f*** do I have mysqld running here o.O [22:27] BUGabundo, to the login screen 15 seconds i think [22:28] ssh is wanted [22:28] LOLOL [22:28] yofel: KDE uses mysql DB ! [22:28] ah, might be [22:28] bjsnider: bootcharts or it didn't happen [22:28] yofel: kill ipv6 and you might get ssh to start faster [22:28] too lazy for that [22:29] leftyfb: how? [22:29] yofel: kernel paramter [22:29] http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu-910.html [22:29] only way now, since its built in [22:30] leftyfb, BUGabundo: thx, I'll check it [22:31]