=== robbiew is now known as robbiew-afk === robbiew-afk is now known as robbiew_ [00:00] was a very nice experience (first time) .. not too much people but well.. [00:00] kamusin: what's the status of HUUF , is that working at all? [00:01] yep, huuf is under an active development .. recently I added a ppa repo [00:01] so all these ubunteros in this room are invited to test it : [00:02] huuf is an application to provide usefull information to new ubuntu users [00:02] when need support at forums [00:02] interesting [00:03] https://edge.launchpad.net/huuf [00:04] Others tasks that I have done are related to help organizing Bugdays and BugJams, making lot of bug triage and giving talks in some events around Chile, these topics were about how to triage bugs, how to participate in the ubuntu community [00:04] I support kamusin! he's very helpfull in our team he is always helping in our irc channel and working in bugs. he has a lot of initiative to help all [00:04] kamusin is an active participant in the comunity, he's always teaching us and participating actively in the events...go kamusin go :) [00:04] hehe thank you :) [00:04] kamusin is an important part of Ubuntu-cl . His contributions to the BugSquad positioned him as a very good actor of the Ubuntu scene. Talking about our LoCo team, I have to say that Victor always is ready to participate in events, helping users, etc. He is a good fellow too. A big +1 from me. [00:05] i also support kamusin he is very kind and is alway helping everybody [00:05] great work kamusin! :) [00:05] +1 [00:06] +1 [00:06] +1 [00:07] +1 from me [00:07] +1 [00:07] * kamusin yai! [00:07] congrats and welcome, kamusin! [00:07] welcome aboard kamusin! [00:08] :D thank you so much , gracias por su apoyo! [00:08] yay [00:08] cristianvirtual: you're up, please introduce yourself and provide a link to your wiki page :) [00:08] congrats and welcome! [00:08] Hi!, I'm Cristian Barahona of Ubuntu-cl's team [00:08] you can see my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CristianBarahona [00:09] and my launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~cristianvirtual [00:09] Write english is not one of my strengths, so excuseme if I write slowly or not very well. [00:09] I'm Software Engineer, I have my own company (we are 5 peoples). We develop software for callcenters with Asterisk and Python, and of course, Ubuntu server. [00:09] I'm a Ubuntu user since 2005 and I have been participating with the Chilean LoCo Team since 2008 [00:10] Now I'm part of the Chilean LoCo Council and its LocoContact [00:10] You can find me every day on #ubuntu-cl and taking part of the discussions and plans in our mailing list. [00:11] I'm working in Ubuntu-cl like administrator of the Ubuntu-cl Planet, administrating the web site wich is hosted by myself, I also participate giving talks in some events in diferents cities of Chile. [00:12] and ofcourse, always help in the marketing team [00:12] Cristian represents in a good way the Ubuntu philosophy. He has been an important part of our community, always facing new challenges and responsibilities within our LoCo Team. [00:12] and participating in stands in diferents events [00:12] cristianvirtual is always working in the community with a big smile, helping the new ones and giving talks in many places, as i said before, always with a big smile [00:12] As Ubuntu Member, I think that Cristian would be a good example to follow in our country. He can help us to spread the word about Ubuntu, Linux, Free Software and Open Source. Also as a former LoCo contact, I have to say that Cristian is doing a very good job. [00:13] * IngForigua suport cristianvirtual [00:13] i support 100% cristianvirtual he is very helpfull in the comunity always giving great ideas and working to making true:) [00:13] wow thanks all [00:14] I know and fully support cristianvirtual , he is very pro active and so entusiast. I stole his idea to made an application to help new users (huuf), but I improved his initial idea and internationalized a litle bit [00:14] fefa, Are you a Ubuntu member yourself? [00:15] actually im not, i participate in ubuntu-cl in marketing === KatieOffline is now known as KatieKitty [00:18] great work (and great intro and wiki page!) [00:18] +1 from me [00:18] +1 here, too. [00:18] +1 [00:18] +1 [00:18] +1 from here too [00:19] :) [00:19] congrats! [00:19] congrats cristianvirtual! [00:19] Congrats and welcome, cristianvirtual! [00:19] Very good work cristianvirtual ! Congratulations [00:19] congrats cristianvirtual ! arggggggggg [00:19] hey, now I really have a big smile! :D [00:19] Bienvenido cristianvirtual que vivan los hispanohablantes :D [00:19] \0/ \0/ \0/ \0/ \0/ [00:19] gracias IngForigua [00:19] 2 chilean ubuntu members ! [00:20] seh! [00:20] Wow, esta reunión debió ser en español [00:20] claro [00:20] alucardi: lol [00:20] jajajajajajaja [00:20] cristianvirtual, wellcome [00:20] Wellcome, cristianvirtual! [00:20] jamalta_: you're up, please introduce yourself and provide a link to your wiki page [00:20] Si toca que sea en español :D [00:20] thanks :D [00:21] My name is Jamal Fanaian. I'm from Florida. I am a web developer working for an entertainment company. I started using Linux to manage my servers a few years ago, and started using Ubuntu full-time around the 7.10 release. I am a member of the Ubuntu Florida LoCo where I try to attend and help out with events in the Florida area. On top of that, I try to contribute by offering my skills to open source projects. I have be [00:21] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/jamalta [00:21] ...geist project and will be working with them to help integrate their engine with the web. I am also starting an open source project called Pandamon to do live video streaming. I am also an instructor for Ubuntu User Days coming up in just a few days. I am also hoping to become more active with the Ubuntu Learning project to help the Ubuntu user base grow. [00:23] Want to pitch my 2 ¢ for jamalta [00:23] woohoo learning project :) [00:23] Jamal is a great member of the Florida Team. He has done some really good development work, and has always been willing to give a hand whenever asked. He is a quick study, and has been very dedicated to Ubuntu and our LoCo. He is the epitome of what helps to make the Florida Team a success. [00:24] itnet7: thank you :) [00:24] jamalta_: you deserve it [00:26] We have had meetups where he has mentored beginners to triaging and Launchpad use [00:26] cool [00:26] good deal, I'm always partial to bug work :) [00:27] jamalta_: after user days think you'll be able to contribute writing some courses for the learning team? [00:28] That's a great idea, actually, that's something I'd love to do [00:29] glad to hear it :) [00:29] +1 from me [00:29] +1 here [00:29] +1 great work jamalta! [00:29] +1 from me, great work and great testimonials [00:29] +1 [00:29] :) [00:29] haha [00:29] haha [00:29] nice timing nixternal :P [00:29] thank you so much [00:30] lol [00:30] Congratulations jamalta_ !! [00:30] :D [00:30] thank you so much everyone [00:30] +1 :) [00:30] congrats and welcome, jamalta_! [00:30] Well... sorry should have waited for cody-somerville [00:30] greg_g thanks! :) [00:30] congrats and welcome jamalta_ \o/ [00:30] congrats and welcome jamalta_! [00:31] thanks to everyone who voted, and thank you to everyone who cared to write about me [00:31] ok, that wraps things up for the evening [00:31] :) [00:31] thanks everyone, congrats to the new members :) [00:31] pleia2: thanks [00:31] thanks for coming out, everyone. Another great selection of contributors, welcome aboard new members! [00:31] thanks all for attending :-) [00:32] Congrats for all the new members! :) [00:32] Thanks for hanging in there everyone! Good job to all the new members!!! Congrats [00:32] thanks and congrats to all!! [00:32] thanks :) [00:32] Thanks for the opportunity! [00:33] 8 new members! crazy! [00:34] 7 ;) [00:34] La mayoria hispanohablantes [00:34] :D [00:35] 5 hispanohablantes :D [00:35] yeah yeah, 7 :) [00:35] hehe [00:36] hey, yo ablo español tambien ;) [00:36] pero vivo en EU [00:37] the Ubuntu planet will be very latinamerican the next days jejeje [00:38] alucardi: indeed, deservedly. [00:47] Kinda hate to leave, but guess it's time to get back to work... [00:55] okay people [00:55] i seeyou later [00:55] see you! === ArneGoet1e is now known as ArneGoetje === KatieKitty is now known as KatieOffline === jamalta is now known as jamalta-afk === jamalta-afk is now known as jamalta === jamalta is now known as jamalta-afk === asac_ is now known as asac === Guest90451 is now known as Zic === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel === mc44 is now known as mc44_ === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === KatieOffline is now known as KatieKitty === marjo_ is now known as marjo === fader|away is now known as fader_ === fader_ is now known as fader|away === fader|away is now known as fader_ === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === KatieKitty is now known as KatieOffline === YUKI is now known as wet === yofel_ is now known as yofel === KatieOffline is now known as KatieKitty === KatieKitty is now known as KatieOffline === KatieOffline is now known as KatieKitty [19:16] good night [19:25] hi ulysses === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak === mrpouit is now known as mr_pouit [19:57] o/ [19:57] * Quintasan waves to jussi01 [19:57] heya Quintasan [19:57] meeting in 3 mins, no? [19:58] yeah [20:00] o/ [20:00] Exiting guys, my first Kubunt meeting ;). Losing the Kubuntu-Meeting-Virginity istheshit ;) [20:00] good evening friends [20:00] tomplast: its not that cool :) [20:01] Someone have the agenda? [20:01] heya folks :) [20:01] seele, apachelogger, JontheEchidna council ping [20:01] good evening [20:01] * Nightrose gets some tea [20:01] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [20:02] ahoy! [20:02] pong [20:02] ooh, council quota [20:02] hi there [20:02] hi all :) [20:02] o/ again [20:02] anyone here for membership? [20:02] \o [20:02] me, oh wait, that was last time :P [20:03] then apachelogger has an agenda item [20:03] right === alsroot__ is now known as alsroot [20:04] recently it was suggested that the council gets a mailing list people can write to when they need to communicate with the whole council (privately) [20:04] any thoughts on that? [20:04] are you going to use mootbot? === ajmitch_ is now known as ajmitch [20:04] do we have such cases? [20:05] * ScottK thinks all the council members have public email addresses. [20:05] apachelogger: +1 [20:05] In the unlikely need, they can be reached. [20:05] ScottK: no, the issue is we need a mailing list so it is easier to contact everyone rather than put 5 people in an email [20:05] Well, if I may comment, I had ones such case recently, and it doesnt have any real overhead, but creates an official point of contact for the council [20:06] ScottK: then you need to aggregate addies of all members [20:06] as per other councils within k/ubuntu [20:06] is there a kubuntu-council team in LP and does the contact this team go to all members? [20:06] or just one person [20:06] becaue if it went to all members problem would be solved [20:06] jjesse: should go to all members [20:06] but replies will need manual adding of addresses again [20:07] apachelogger: If something is so critical it really needs private attention of the whole KC, then I think googling for some email addresses is not a significant barrier. [20:07] +1 from me, it will make easier to contact the whole council [20:07] * Nightrose has to agree with ScottK [20:07] * neversfelde too [20:07] -1 from me. Stinks of bureacracy. [20:07] but then again I don't really care of we have one [20:07] I would say why not? there no real overhead, and it makes things easier? [20:07] it's just hopefully not needed enough to actually be useful [20:07] jussi01: I would not say that [20:08] either it is a moderated list, which creates moderation overhead [20:08] or it is not moderated and creates spam overhead [20:09] I personally do not feel that it is necessary at this point, so both overheads would not be worth it [20:09] apachelogger: If I may say, won't moderation create more work, now that people can easily access the entire council there would be more email that are unnecessary and maybe spam too [20:09] * jussi01 would like a unified way to contact the council if needed. [20:09] there is a Contact this Team link on the team page which I think should be enough [20:10] +1 to Riddell [20:10] jussi01: what Riddell wrote ;) [20:10] Riddell: how does "reply to all" work for that? [20:10] +1 for "contact this team" [20:10] maco: does not [20:10] apachelogger: thats what i thought [20:10] so the council members will have to take care of that [20:10] ah, then it's not much of a listr [20:10] *list [20:11] shouldn't be too hard to CC all council members in your responses [20:11] well [20:11] all the council members are able to edit a CC list no? [20:11] ;-) [20:11] yeah [20:11] council members could setup lists in kaddressbook for simplifcation :P [20:11] seele: happy with that? [20:11] can we go on with more useful stuff? [20:11] sure [20:11] JontheEchidna has an item [20:11] also, if a topic is not really private it might just as well be replied to with CC to kubuntu-devel [20:12] yeah, speedcrunch vs kcalc [20:12] Currently we're in a bit of a crunch for livecd space [20:12] kcalc has no use history, this is a major problem for me [20:12] use history? [20:12] most physical calculators don't [20:12] JontheEchidna: stuff you entered shown [20:12] oh [20:13] so you can see what your previous use was [20:13] kcalc has better translations though, that's important [20:13] also [20:13] kcalc goes through rosetta :P [20:13] hola [20:13] JontheEchidna: would it save a lot of space to switch? [20:13] yo nixternal [20:13] nixternal: \o [20:14] It would save ~300 kb on livecd space [20:14] also, kcalc's translations are part of the langpacks anyway [20:14] so we have the kcalc translations on board + speedcrunch's own translations [20:14] not too much on its own, but if we take several 100 kb's here and there we're on our way to having everythign fit [20:14] yea [20:14] anything else that is meh in kcalc besides history? [20:14] I looked in to packaging the math books that speedcrunch includes separately, but that only saved somewhere between 60-80 kb [20:15] no, and I again want to mention that most calcs do not have a history :P [20:15] I agree speedcrunch is fancier, but for a basic calculator, kcalc seems fine. [20:15] * txwikinger says sorry for being late [20:15] apachelogger: heh yea agreed [20:15] * ulysses uses a Casio fx-220 calculator:\ [20:15] i just don't use either of them enough to make a good decision so asking [20:15] * ScottK throws out the idea of neither [20:15] i mostly use krunner [20:15] krunner works for a basic calculator [20:15] We have a calculator widget + krunner already [20:15] how discoverable is krunner? [20:16] good point [20:16] Aren't they enough? [20:16] maco: alt+f2 [20:16] ;p [20:16] if krunner is undiscoverable, then the calculator plasmoid is more discoverable [20:16] nixternal: yes yes, but who knows to hit alt+f2 to find the calculator? [20:16] krunner is no good for an argument [20:16] nixternal: and don't forget the '=' :/ [20:16] pull the calculators, for the next 2 or 3 releases, and see how many complaints you get [20:16] krunner does sums? o.O [20:16] JontheEchidna: still would you be looking for it there [20:16] jussi01: :D [20:16] * ScottK thinks kcalc is definitely enough for the default, but would be fine with just the widget. [20:16] jussi01: yes, that too. i had no idea it could [20:16] esp since the most visible search (the one in kickoff) does not include plasmoids [20:16] * maco uses google for math [20:16] ScottK: +1 [20:16] add a menu entry for "plasmoidviewer calculator"? :P [20:16] +1 [20:17] ScottK: +1 [20:17] * agateau finds krunner more reliable for math than for starting apps :/ [20:17] I like calculator plasmoid [20:17] JontheEchidna: :P [20:17] +1 for ScottK's proposal [20:17] agateau: O_o [20:17] * jjesse uses the calculator on my phone [20:17] agateau: I think the krunner implementation still got some weird float bug :P [20:17] float + division that is [20:17] apachelogger: good enough for me, I'm an engineer, not a scientist :) [20:17] poor qtscript, being abused by the calculator runner ;_; [20:18] agateau: dividing integers can trigger this bug :/ [20:18] * apachelogger only calculates via irb :P [20:18] krunner got sin(), awesome [20:18] * ScottK just polled the two teenage Kubuntu users in the house. [20:18] result? [20:18] One doesnt' use a calculator and the other finds the history annoying. [20:18] JontheEchidna: oh [20:18] haha [20:18] :D [20:18] I suppose we don't need a vote then :P [20:18] :D [20:18] :D [20:19] apachelogger: well we still need one on none or kcalc [20:19] Having a non-plasma calculator app should be considered, since this is an LTS [20:19] *nod* [20:20] (less of a radical change from the status quo) [20:20] http://www.gimmees.com/detail~pnum~7291~pcategory~12~psubcategory~2.asp <- there is my calculator :) [20:20] less of a need for new users to go find out what the heck plasma is and how to add widgets...and with the possibility of closing the calculator app when you're done with it [20:20] so vote on switching to kcalc please [20:21] who's in favor of shipping kcalc for 10.04? (with possible option of dropping it later in favor of the plasmoid) [20:21] +1 kcalc, 1 feature doesn't seem to be a showstopper on this [20:21] +1 shipping kcalc [20:21] +1 [20:21] for people who know of and really want speedcrunch, they can just install it [20:21] +1 [20:21] +1 [20:21] +1 [20:21] go with kcalc, we don't need to ship anymore plasmoids by default...let the users pick the plasmoids they want [20:21] +1 [20:21] +1 [20:21] a decision! [20:21] \o/ [20:21] JontheEchidna: please do the switching :) [20:21] apachelogger: I can't push to the seed branch :( [20:21] omg [20:22] * apachelogger is going to do the switching then [20:22] thx [20:22] "Ubuntu IRC Council for channel domination?" [20:22] whatwhat? [20:22] the Ubuntu IRC Council want some permissions on #kubuntu-devel [20:22] Right then... [20:22] like, to be on the access list? [20:22] * apachelogger thinks that apachelogger also needs permissions :P [20:22] reasons for that? [20:22] just as a heads up, in 10 minutes I may have to leave. [20:23] is there no one from ubuntu irc channel who is already a kbuntu-devel member? [20:23] just give it to them and be done with it [20:23] yeah, no reason why they shouldn't have access that I can see [20:23] Are we solving an actual problem here? [20:23] ScottK: no [20:23] * Nightrose isn't so sure she likes it [20:23] the history is that I registered as channel contact for the #kubuntu namespace [20:23] Yeah, as the main devel chans are part of our LP import, and we are the group contacts for k/xUbuntu we need a +f for that. [20:23] that's why I said, just give it to them and be done with it...I would keep Riddell though as the #1 power on the channel [20:24] and apparantly ubuntu irc channel usurped me whenever they got setup without me knowing [20:24] yeah, dont hand it over completely ;) [20:24] it isnt that we are going to come in and make changes to the channel. [20:24] * jjesse never understood the need for ubuntu-irc-council but whatever [20:24] the ubuntu irc channel is however quite kubuntu happy [20:24] I think there are better agenda items to cover :) [20:24] +1 [20:25] i dont understand why the ubuntu irc council needs to own our channel, but whatever [20:25] i still don't get the actual reason [20:25] it sounds like something we dont have a choice on [20:25] seele: Then don't vote. Let them just do it. [20:26] I believe I'll abstain, I don't feel that my opinion is strong enough to be useful in any way [20:26] it will happen anyways, as if it doesn't, it will more than likely escalate to the CC...they need to have +f like jussi01 said for their new way of doing things [20:26] aye +0 from me [20:26] the IRCC is solid, no worries [20:26] because the ubuntu irc council likes to own all IRC channels so when there's an IRC problem anywhere everyone knows who can solve it [20:26] that sounds like a community issue, not irc issue [20:26] if we have technical problems or problems with lurkers/spammers, dont we usually contact a freenode op? [20:27] * Nightrose is -1 on this one without a good explanation sorry [20:27] i won't be a pita about it but... [20:27] well, there is a point to that [20:27] maybe we should just defer this item? [20:27] Nightrose: it will just go to the CC eventually and it will happen anyways, I say keep Riddell in power, give them what they need for their LP and bot stuff [20:27] and indeed that is more social than technical [20:28] jussi01: got a good explanation for Nightrose? [20:28] other councils going around establishing policies and specs and whatnot that affect us, without talking to us beforehand is no good [20:28] right [20:28] 1 moment [20:28] and then coming to us saying "uhm, but we need that" is not what I call good inter-council communication [20:29] I think we could benefit from having this discussed on the mailing list, so that we have time to absorb/think about it. This is the first I've heard of this, and I don't think I can make a good decision on the quick 2-minute explanation given while the meeting is going on. [20:29] apachelogger: I agree, but it is something that is going on with every #*ubuntu-* namespace... tsimpson and jussi01 could explain it better though [20:30] The ircc are the group contacts for the KXUbuntu-* channels. We are currently re-organising how the main channels are administered, - you can see more from tsimpsons blog about how it works: http://tsimpson.ubottu.com/blog/archives/3 [20:30] I don't really get the idea of another irc channel but I agree with JontheEchidna [20:30] Everone in favor of postponing and discussing this on the mailing list +1 now [20:30] +1 [20:30] +1 [20:30] it's an IRC channel, it isn't like we are giving them access to ~kubuntu-devel so they can upload packages [20:30] +1 [20:30] +1 postpone [20:31] We do have the power to just go and add ourselves to the access list if we feel necessary, but we dont do that except in case of emergencies. we prefer to go to the channel contact and ask. [20:31] +1 [20:31] +1 [20:31] postponed then [20:31] ok [20:31] agateau wants to talk about "DBusMenu and applications getting creative with tray menus" [20:31] jussi01: don't get me wrong i am not mistrusting you personally ;-) [20:31] ok [20:31] jussi01: please start a thread on the ml with some information === cjohnston is now known as notcjohnston [20:31] sure [20:31] thx [20:32] is everyone familiar with dbusmenu, or should I do a quick summary? [20:32] summary pls [20:32] ok [20:32] * Nightrose would like a quick summary [20:32] so you heard about the new systemtray [20:32] which landed in KDE 4.3 [20:32] it let applications expose their tray icons over dbus [20:33] and then the systemtray applet is in charge of drawing them [20:33] this is a change from the old method, where the app would draw directly inside the applet [20:33] dbusmenu is the next step [20:33] right now when a user right click on a systemtray icon, [20:33] plasma tells the app: please show a menu over this icon [20:34] this means a kde app will show a kde menu [20:34] a gnome app would show a gnome menu [20:34] the idea behind dbusmenu is to change this part [20:34] let the app expose over dbus its menu [20:34] so that the systemtray can show it [20:34] this way gnome and kde apps are shown in a consistent way [20:35] meaning? [20:35] clicking on gnomey tray icons will have a kde-ish context menu [20:35] it doesn't look like crap? [20:35] a gnome app running on a kde desktop would get a kde menu [20:35] and vice versa [20:35] ok === notcjohnston is now known as cjohnston [20:36] this work has been started by Canonical but as also been discussed and agreed with Aaron Seigo and Marco Martin [20:36] problem arise when apps start to embed widgets in their menu [20:36] because we can't pass widgets in dbus [20:36] most outstanding example: [20:36] kopete [20:36] http://imagebin.ca/view/WUneYGbp.html [20:37] knetworkmanager does this too [20:37] JontheEchidna: true [20:37] but for knetworkmanager we may go back to the applet at some point? [20:37] agateau: what happens if you use the new method then? [20:37] for now: you get a blank menu item :/ [20:37] yeah, once the applet shapes up we plan on turning back [20:38] I haven't seen any signs of the networkmanager plasmoid re-appearing [20:38] * Nightrose neither [20:38] oh [20:38] and currently right click on knetworkmanager is not in good shape [20:38] I thought Sebas was on this [20:38] mmm I guess so [20:38] asking on #k-d [20:38]