[00:54] <deadSnowman> Has anyone had a problem with shutdown -r now unmounting everything?
[00:57] <genii> Might want to sync removable drives, etc
[01:20] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello. I have a problem with installing my wireless on xubuntu
[02:37] <Ninja> anybody in here?
[03:07] <subspider> hi
[03:08] <subspider> guys i need to see stting of my firewall is that possible
[03:21] <xubunoobie> Has anyone had any trouble connecting wirelessly to a Netgear router.  Xubuntu 9.10
[03:22] <subspider> what is you error
[03:22] <subspider> ?? xubunoobie
[03:24] <xubunoobie> I am having trouble connecting to the internet by my wireless router.  My computer with XP can connect, and I went to a computer lab that has a linksys router and I was able to connect with my Xubuntu laptop, but for some reason, I cannot connect to my home Netgear router.  (I just installed Xubuntu and just got internet at home)
[03:26] <xubunoobie> I googled the problem and there were old posts of people having this problem connecting to Netgear routers with older versions of Ubuntu.  Unfortunately there were no solutions posted.
[03:33] <Balsaq> someone wants me to scan their IP for hnoypot test...is that ok?
[03:33] <Balsaq> honeypot test i meant?
[04:15] <sparky_> anyone online?
[04:16] <sparky_> a question
[04:16] <sparky_> i just made a stupid mistake :(
[04:16] <sparky_> i downloaded the 64bit version of xubuntu
[04:17] <sparky_> is there ayway to create the 32bit version without redownloading the whole thing?
[04:24] <gdubbus> mm, no.. sorry
[04:24] <gdubbus> I suggest using a bittorrent, might go faster
[04:24] <sparky_> :( Oh well
[04:24] <sparky_> nah it's just because of usage lol
[04:25] <sparky_> another question. i'm trying to use an ubuntu OS on a G3 imac. what should I use?
[04:25] <sparky_> I was thinking xubuntu because it has the lowest requirements
[04:27] <gdubbus> xubuntu is a good choice.. I have a really old laptop p3 750 mhz and xubuntu actually feels like a normal os on the thing
[04:27] <gdubbus> There's even lighter distros but not as fully featured
[04:27] <sparky_> well they have 300mhz and about 190mb of ram lol :(
[04:28] <Balsaq> xubuntu is the best in my opinion by puppy is the fastest on really old computers
[04:28] <sparky_> like wat?
[04:29] <gdubbus> puppy for one
[04:29] <sparky_> ok i'm looking at it now
[04:29] <gdubbus> I've used it, the curve was little much for me being new to linux and all
[04:30] <gdubbus> distrowatch.com is a great sight for checking out alot of distros if your shopping around
[04:31] <sparky_> i'll look at that site
[04:31] <Balsaq> i have puppylinux in a 450mgz computer with 256 ram and is fast on even that
[04:32] <sparky_> basically the g3's are going to be given away to be used as a starter computer for those who can't afford one
[04:32] <sparky_> so user friendliness is necessary :)
[04:32] <Balsaq> puppy is tough to install but easy to use once installed....
[04:33] <Balsaq> but the dadgum puppylinux support channel i so nowhere near as good as this one
[04:34] <sparky_> ok
[04:35] <sparky_> i'm downloading puppy now as it's only 100mb lol
[04:35] <Balsaq> its fun
[04:35] <gdubbus> wow, I forgot how small it was
[04:36] <sparky_> :) so slow to download though as it's not from an aussie server :( oh well
[04:36] <Balsaq> ugh
[04:36] <sparky_> i'll try it though will probably go with xubuntu
[04:36] <sparky_> and thanks for the quick help :)
[04:36] <Balsaq> :)
[04:38] <sparky_> also, a question. i'm using virtualbox to test the OS's at the moment on my computer
[04:38] <sparky_> if i set it to say 200mb of ram will that come close to simulating actually running it on a computer with 200mb of ram?
[04:39] <Balsaq> help...i know zero about virtual box....i installed puppy right onto the HD of a desktop and thats it
[04:40] <sparky_> ok then ty
[04:40] <sparky_> anyway
[04:40] <sparky_> i pressume you run xubuntu on your computer or not????
[04:40] <sparky_> what's your main OS is my question really
[04:41] <Balsaq> i have 9 desktops all with their own distro
[04:41] <Balsaq> yes i have xubuntu
[04:41] <sparky_> WOW!!
[04:41] <sparky_> lol
[04:41] <Balsaq> my main is xp pro sp3, next is xubuntu and on from there
[04:41] <sparky_> ok lol
[04:41] <sparky_> wat do u use the xubuntu one mainly for?
[04:41] <Balsaq> but as i learn xubuntu, it is going to pass up xp
[04:42] <Balsaq> i use it to learn linux
[04:42] <gdubbus> I use xubuntu for everything but games
[04:42] <Balsaq> and too surf the net as it doesnt get virus
[04:42] <Balsaq> i only use xp to keep fresh on it becasue we have it at work
[04:42] <sparky_> yah at one point i considered switching to an ubuntu of some kind but games + hating open office stopped me
[04:43] <Balsaq> i wish i had learned on xubuntu from the start now
[04:43] <sparky_> i should dual boot windows and ubuntu at some point
[04:43] <Balsaq> i have then all on their own
[04:43] <gdubbus> some will tell you that wine is a good method of gaming on linux... they lie, its awful. I have a windows 7 partition thats exclusively for modern warfare II and starcraft lol
[04:43] <sparky_> nice :)
[04:43] <Balsaq> pclinuxos is really cool too
[04:44] <sparky_> what about wine for office?
[04:44] <sparky_> again, bad?
[04:44] <gdubbus> mmm, haven't experimented with office apps in it
[04:45] <Balsaq> one thing i noticed is xubuntu 904 is still better that the new one...910
[04:45] <sparky_> ok
[04:45] <sparky_> i tried open office on windows as i couldn't afford office but  hated it
[04:46] <gdubbus> yeah.. I've had some problems with 9.10 which is what I'm using at the moment... I'm actually planning on installing debian and using xcfe as my window manager
[04:48] <sparky_> wow after just about being finished. puppy failed downloading :(
[04:48] <Balsaq> bummer
[04:48] <Balsaq> there are places here that will send you the hard disk for like 4 dollars
[04:49] <Balsaq> i really like xubuntu but puppy is superior for older stuff
[04:50] <sparky_> yah but I'm in Australia so it probably costs more. i think i'll go with xubuntu. i'll download tomorrow
[04:50] <Balsaq> cool
[04:52] <sparky_> actually i'll try to download puppy tomorrow as well :)
[04:52] <sparky_> found a good review of it etc so we'll see
[04:52] <Balsaq> believe me its awesome
[04:52] <Balsaq> just a pain to install
[04:52] <sparky_> will puppy work on a mac though?
[04:52] <Balsaq> but i know how to install it
[04:53] <Balsaq> dunno
[04:53] <sparky_> kk
[04:53] <Balsaq> go to #puppylinux and they may know
[07:20] <pdg1> quick poll... what does everyone use for FTP? I'm looking for something lightweight that will work well with my xbox/XBMC and i have no idea what makes one FTP app work and another one not work
[08:12] <TheSheep> pdg1: I like lftp
[08:47] <pdg1> TheSheep, thanks :D
[09:56] <roflcopter> hey
[09:56] <Sysi> ohai
[09:56] <lollypop> hey
[09:56] <roflcopter> i have a problem: i bought ubuntu in a software-shop
[09:56] <lollypop> O.o
[09:56] <lollypop> what have you paid?
[09:57] <roflcopter> 49,99€
[09:57] <Sysi> :O
[09:57] <lollypop> that's really cheap
[09:57] <roflcopter> what's the matter?
[09:57] <roflcopter> yeah, i thought that too
[09:57] <Sysi> isn't it like 5$ or something on canonical store?
[09:57] <lollypop> i've bought it for 'bout 500€
[09:58] <roflcopter> lol
[09:58] <roflcopter> 5$? this is 1€
[09:58] <roflcopter> so you paid 1/49,99 of mine
[09:58] <roflcopter> fuck
[09:58] <Sysi> i'll check
[09:58] <lollypop> somebody told me you could get it illegally for free but i didn't want illegal softwar
[09:59] <Sysi> i paid nothing, just downloaded
[09:59] <Sysi> ubuntu is legally free, you know
[09:59] <lollypop> O.o
[09:59] <roflcopter> okay a bit too low ^^ let it be about 1,43$ is 1€
[09:59] <lollypop> didn't knew it
[09:59] <roflcopter> legally?
[09:59] <roflcopter> not in europe
[09:59] <roflcopter> or lets say france ^^
[10:00] <lollypop> yeah heard the same
[10:00] <lollypop> damn
[10:00] <roflcopter> i hate beeing born in france
[10:00] <roflcopter> -.-
[10:00] <lollypop> lol
[10:00] <roflcopter> what?!
[10:00] <roflcopter> so okay
[10:01] <roflcopter> my problem is, that when i want to start CS portable, it doesn't start
[10:01] <lollypop> aah
[10:01] <roflcopter> who can help me?
[10:01] <lollypop> me^^
[10:01] <lollypop> http://www.google.to
[10:01] <roflcopter> hö?
[10:01] <lollypop> http://www.deinemudder.de
[10:02] <lollypop> http://www.hdf.de
[10:02] <roflcopter> kay
[10:02] <roflcopter> thanks
[10:02] <roflcopter> i will visit
[10:02] <lollypop> that should help you ;)
[10:02] <roflcopter> hey! this are fucking fake sites
[10:02] <lollypop> wtf?!
[10:02] <Sysi> what you're doing with double nicks?
[10:03] <lollypop> padron?
[10:03] <roflcopter> what?
[10:03] <lollypop> *pardon
[10:03] <Sysi> 11:54  --> lollypop [n=HasMa@p548DE107.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu
[10:03] <Sysi> 11:56  --> roflcopter [n=HemDo@p548DE107.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu
[10:03] <roflcopter> PenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenis
[10:03] <roflcopter> PenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenis
[10:03] <Sysi> !ops
[10:04] <roflcopter> P
[10:04] <roflcopter> enisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenis
[10:04] <roflcopter> [11:03] <roflcopter> PenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenisPenis
[10:04] <lollypop> roflcopter: what are you doing?
[10:04] <roflcopter> sry... tourette-syndrome
[10:04] <pownder> lol
[10:04] <lollypop> rofl
[10:04] <roflcopter> yeah, many french have this illness
[10:04] <roflcopter> we call it our language
[10:05] <Sysi> i've called ops
[10:05] <roflcopter> OHOOO
[10:05] <roflcopter> and a called the cops
[10:05] <roflcopter> :D:D
[10:05] <suck-my-dick> xD
[10:05] <roflcopter> awwww ^^
[10:06] <Sysi> this is like waiting for taxi
[10:06] <roflcopter> what?
[10:06] <lolcopter> lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
[10:06] <Sysi> never present when you need them
[10:06] <lolcopter> lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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[10:06] <Sysi> !ops
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[10:06] <roflcopter> kay
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[10:07] <Sysi> ignore ♥
[10:07] <lolcopter> lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
[10:07] <roflcopter> ;)
[10:07] <lolcopter> lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
[10:07] <lolcopter> !ops
[10:07] <lolcopter> ^^
[10:07] <roflcopter> <3
[10:07] <pownder> lol
[10:07] <lolcopter> penispumpennutzer
[10:07] <lolcopter> @ roflcopter
[10:07] <roflcopter> yeah?
[10:07] <pownder> right
[10:07] <roflcopter> okay
[10:08] <lolcopter> suck my dig
[10:08] <roflcopter> erm
[10:08] <roflcopter> no
[10:08] <lolcopter> i'm going away
[10:08] <roflcopter> i like sucking the dig of my dog
[10:08] <roflcopter> he is a chihuaha
[10:08] <roflcopter> or how it is written
[10:08] <Sysi> your sense of humour isn't weird, just bad
[10:08] <roflcopter> i am a french i know not al lot
[10:09] <roflcopter> PENIS
[10:09] <roflcopter> sry
[10:09] <roflcopter> again tourette-syndrome
[10:09] <suck-my-dick> lool
[10:09] <pownder> looooooooooooooool
[10:09] <suck-my-dick> <- that's what you've gonna do
[10:10] <roflcopter> very good english
[10:10] <Sysi> oh, you're gay too?
[10:10] <roflcopter> yeah
[10:10] <suck-my-dick> yeah
[10:10] <Sysi> thanks
[10:16] <wemakeyousoundba> this convo sure looked mighty interesting :??:
[10:26] <jussi01> hrm, loving it that they strike just when I head out for lunch...
[12:04] <tavasti> is these some simple possibility to add launcher to panel for programs in Apllications-menu?
[12:05] <tavasti> adding launcher and configuring name, icon, command, etc is bit too complicated
[12:05] <knome> currently, no.
[12:06] <tavasti> ok, nice to know
[12:06] <tavasti> I was thinking I am too stupid to use GUI
[12:50] <mr_pouit> tavasti: actually, instead of manually entering name, icon, command, etc, you can drag and drop a desktop file from /usr/share/applications, and all fields should be filled in magically
[12:56] <tavasti> thanks, that's lot better
[14:04] <becker_11> I'm about to compile a program from a source tarball but the only thing not clear is do I need to create a folder for the prog before I compile it and run everything from there or will the compile script do that for me??
[14:07] <sinbox> untar then cd to that directory and work in there, should do it all for you (hopefully) :), just in case make-install is the way to go for easy uninstall later on
[14:07] <becker_11> thanks sinbox
[14:08] <becker_11> is compiling something yourself the only way to go if you need a newer version of a program than is avail in the repos? I even installed the ppa and it still wasn't the latest version
[14:09] <TheSheep> becker_11: you could also build your own deb, it's not complicated
[14:09] <sinbox> if the version you want is not in the repos then yes you need to build yourself, it's not as bad as it sounds when you've never done it actually
[14:09] <becker_11> transmission btw latest repo is 1.76 newest stable is 1.80 and the feature I need is in 1.80
[14:10] <becker_11> sinbox,  yeah it looks easy
[14:10] <becker_11> TheSheep,  I'll have a look via google, thanks
[14:10] <ablomen> becker_11, there might also be a ppa for that particular application
[14:10] <ablomen> you might want to look for that first
[14:10] <sinbox> make-install actually creates a deb file and you can use it without actually installing when you compile
[14:11] <becker_11> ablomen, there is but the latest version is 1.76 not what is showing on their site which is 1.80-stable
[14:11] <sinbox> now if anyone has an easy solution to get a canon printer to work I'll take it, somehow I doubt it though
[14:11] <becker_11> rm -rf install windows
[14:11]  * becker_11 ducks now
[14:11] <ablomen> sinbox, put a hp sticker on it, afaik canon printers hardly ever work
[14:12] <knome> ablomen, and you suggest hp printers work?
[14:12] <sinbox> I did get it to work, on 7.10 but that was 2 years ago and I forgot the hoops I had to jump through, also I'm now running lxde on top of a minimal install, but I'll try the sticker idea ablomen
[14:12] <ablomen> knome, i never had a hp printer not working on me, a3, old plotters, laser and colorjets all work for me anyway
[14:13] <knome> ablomen, couldn't you feel the irony there? :P
[14:13] <becker_11> sinbox,  whats the model n#
[14:13] <sinbox> MP160, guess I will just have to go back to the forum and get alien as the canon drivers only come in rpm form :/
[14:14] <petsounds> hi. what is the name of menu editor in xfce? in gnome it's alacarte. thanks
[14:14] <knome> petsounds, hello, there is no menu editor in 4.6. your welcome.
[14:14] <knome> *you're
[14:14] <ablomen> knome, hehe nvm me, havnt had close to enough coffee today ;)
[14:15] <becker_11> sinbox, http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-mp160
[14:15] <becker_11> stated to work PERFECTLY
[14:15] <petsounds> knome, can i use alacarte in xubuntu?
[14:15] <sinbox> been there becker_11 it does work perfectly                                            ...                                       once you worked out how to actually install the bloody thing
[14:16] <knome> petsounds, no, it doesn't quite work.
[14:16] <becker_11> sinbox, sorry mate
[14:17] <sinbox> not like you did anything wrong becker_11 , I shouldn't have brought the printer before doing some reading is all :)
[14:17] <knome> sinbox, you can either use alien or build from source ;]
[14:17] <petsounds> knome, ok. merci beaucoup for the info.
[14:17] <knome> petsounds, np
[14:18] <sinbox> knome, the source comes as src.rpm file, so I'll need to extract that anyway, I think I'll still need alien to do that properly
[14:18] <sinbox> funnily enough the scanning works out the box via xsane
[14:18] <knome> sinbox, heh
[14:18] <knome> sinbox, well good luck
[14:19] <becker_11> doesn't help you but just looking at it over at canon it's  a nice printer
[14:19] <knome> somebosy cast a spell that removes my headache
[14:19] <sinbox> thanks *goes to grab a box of aspirin*
[14:19] <knome> lol :D
[14:19] <knome> i think i need some pills myseld
[14:19] <knome> *myself
[14:20] <knome> gosh, this ache is stopping my from writing correctly
[14:20] <knome> *me ...
[14:20] <becker_11> not surprising
[14:22] <knome> well i already took 1000mg of paracetamol
[14:22] <knome> now i took 800mg of ibuprofen
[14:24] <ablomen> knome, now some alcohol and the cocktail is complete
[14:25] <knome> mah
[14:25] <knome> *nah
[14:25] <knome> maybe later :D
[14:25] <knome> i'm soon going to play board games
[14:25] <knome> i hope to fix my head before that
[14:25] <knome> anyway, have fun everybody and see you later o/
[14:26] <sinbox> later
[14:26] <ablomen> bye
[14:26]  * sinbox just realised that installing the foomatic-db will probably help him
[14:35] <likemindead> Whee!
[14:36] <eXpl0i7> lol
[14:47] <Pres-Gas> Good morrow, all.
[15:11] <MrNaz> where do i tell Xubuntu to NOT open a new thunar window when i plug in removable storage devices ?
[15:14] <ablomen> MrNaz, settings manager => removable media
[15:15] <ablomen> MrNaz, theres a checkbox there with browse removable media when inserted, uncheck that :0
[15:15] <ablomen> * :)
[15:15] <ablomen> ehm removable drives and media
[15:18] <MrNaz> thanks
[15:19] <MrNaz> is there a way to make all removable drives work in synchronous write mode?
[15:20] <MrNaz> delayed write is idiotic on removable media
[15:22] <ablomen> MrNaz, you can look into udev rules, im guessing you will have to fiddle with that
[15:23] <MrNaz> ugh
[15:23] <MrNaz> it should be default
[15:23] <ablomen> well write a bug report then :)
[15:24] <ablomen> that way the people in power can fix it so in the future it is
[15:24] <MrNaz> if linux devs need a bug report to tell them that synchronous writes make sense on removable media, then they have bigger issues than me not giving feedback
[15:31] <TheSheep> MrNaz: personally I would prefer to not destroy my flash drives with lots of tiny writes
[15:32] <TheSheep> MrNaz: flash drive lifetime is measured in the number of writes, you know
[15:32] <MrNaz> yea, but the chances of actually hitting those limits, even with lots of tiny writes, is pretty remote
[15:33] <TheSheep> MrNaz: I alread threw away a few usb flashdrives because I hit those limits
[15:33] <MrNaz> maybe 3 or 4 years ago that was the case... but with current gen flash memory, you can safely use it for swap space and get better life than a spinning disk's mtbf
[15:33]  * ablomen gets the fire extinguisher
[15:33] <MrNaz> well... according to the statistical boffins anyway
[15:34] <TheSheep> MrNaz: maybe xubuntu defaults should not be tuned for users who use their computers once a week
[15:34] <MrNaz> eh?
[15:34] <TheSheep> MrNaz: this kind of discussion is exactly the reason to have a bug report- so that you can document all pros and cons
[15:35] <TheSheep> MrNaz: of course you are not obligued to give back to the projects that you use
[15:35] <MrNaz> Typical user thinks: Copy dialog disappeared. Ergo, copy is finished. I can pull the drive. WIth sync writes, that's the case. Currently, the user has to know that in the background, there's still data to be written, and they have to do a safe umount before they can *really* pull the drive.
[15:35] <MrNaz> TheSheep i use a fair few projects, and i am active in quite a few
[15:36] <MrNaz> TheSheep last time i brought this up on a mailing list i was told to go make my own distro
[15:36] <TheSheep> MrNaz: I''m sure your mind-reading skills are very useful in usability testing, you should definitely report that bug :)
[15:37] <MrNaz> TheSheep mind reading not necessary. I've done a stint as usability tester for business apps, and its pretty easy to see what a user is thinking just by looking over their shoulder
[15:37] <MrNaz> and watching them pull a drive after the copy dialog is finished doesnt require any special ESP
[15:38] <TheSheep> you are barking up the wrong tree, this is a support channel, we help people, if you want this to be considered, write a bug report, if you just want to rant, write a blog post
[15:38] <TheSheep> sorry, gotta run :)
[15:38] <MrNaz> hmm... a blog post... damn good idea
[19:17] <Goliath> how can i fix this error? http://pastebin.com/m574502e1
[19:18] <SMQBlot> hello, if you activate the proposed and backports reposar, updated the system so as to obtain new package before the next ubuntu-release?
[19:19] <SMQBlot> lol, google translate translated that all worng :-P
[19:19] <charlie-tca> SMQBlot: If you activate proposed and backports, you will get updates that are not fully tested and may break the system.
[19:20] <SMQBlot> charlie-tca, like firefox 3.6?
[19:20] <charlie-tca> If it is in proposed, yes
[19:20] <SMQBlot> charlie-tca, does activating those reposes usually brake the system, is it very risky?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Lucid is using firefox 3.5.7 right now, so is Xubuntu 9.10. The problem is if it breaks the system, you are on your own fixing it.
[19:21] <SMQBlot> yeah, since its unsupported
[19:21] <SMQBlot> cant you ask in the ubuntu dev channel?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> It is very risky. I run the development version of Xubuntu, and sometimes can't start the gui for several days at a time
[19:22] <SMQBlot> charlie-tca, hm
[19:22] <charlie-tca> You can ask anywhere, but may not get an answer other than reinstall without the backports
[19:22] <charlie-tca> s/backports/proposed
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Not all the proposed gets into the main distributions
[19:22] <SMQBlot> charlie-tca, well guess ill have to see, i have used those all for several years, and no breakage as i can remember
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Okay
[19:23] <SMQBlot> charlie-tca, hm ok, why?
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Proposed is just that, apps that are proposed/suggested. Some will get approval, and some won't.
[19:23] <SMQBlot> i see
[19:24] <SMQBlot> well the system will be more cutting edge with those anyway, i will use them, and if things brake, reinstall
[19:24] <charlie-tca> also, see : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[19:24] <SMQBlot> im planning on buying a second hdd so i can sync my home on it
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Are you using lucid?
[19:24] <SMQBlot> no
[19:25] <SMQBlot> 9.10
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Lucid is cutting edge.
[19:25] <charlie-tca> also, you might want to see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases
[19:25] <SMQBlot> ill just go with the current stable release, and with those reposes, i need a usable system
[19:27] <SMQBlot> if i buy another computer i can use this as testing machine
[19:27] <charlie-tca> true
[19:27] <charlie-tca> but using cutting edge, you still take a chance on this machine going down...
[19:27] <SMQBlot> hm
[19:29] <SMQBlot> have you heard of people having bugs with those reposes?
[19:30] <SMQBlot> cause people that im talking too now say they have no noticeable bugs with them
[19:31] <charlie-tca> It is up to you. Bugs are usually not reportable with proposed applications.
[19:31] <SMQBlot> yeah
[19:31] <SMQBlot> guess ill have to see what happens, too late now anyway :-P