| DarkwingDuck | nixternal: you around? | 00:31 |
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| Zorael | Can anyone post/reply to the kubuntu-devel mailing list, or is it more aimed for internal communication between Kubuntu devs? (Wanted to add to the ktorrent thread that just opened.) | 00:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | Go ahead and post my friend | 00:32 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: JontheEchidna kimpanel is ready for upload, I have pushed those chanches needed into kdeplasma-addons | 00:44 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| Lex79 | freeflying: we know, I merged your changes for next packaging release (RC2) and I assigned credits to you | 00:53 |
| Lex79 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/changelog | 00:53 |
| freeflying | Lex79: cool, thx | 00:55 |
| Lex79 | no problem | 00:55 |
| Lex79 | thx for your changes | 00:56 |
| nixternal | DarkwingDuck: yo yo | 01:18 |
| DarkwingDuck | What's up my friend? | 01:18 |
| DarkwingDuck | Now that the Camp is over I'm back again :D | 01:18 |
| nixternal | waiting for my pizza...putting some models together for my nephews | 01:19 |
| nixternal | how was camp? | 01:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | Camp was good. Talk on Documentation went VERY well | 01:19 |
| nixternal | groovy | 01:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | They taped it... when I get the link I'll toss it out there. | 01:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | there was a talk about Docs VS wikis that it sparked | 01:20 |
| nixternal | lovely | 01:21 |
| nixternal | let me guess, people want to develop docs on the wiki and then use this magical piece of shit that converts it to docbook? | 01:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | IT wasn't as bad as the ML was getting | 01:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | No actually, it was more of an Anti-wiki feel | 01:22 |
| nixternal | groovy, then Phil and I got out point across 2 or 3 years ago | 01:22 |
| DarkwingDuck | and figuring out how to post the docs onto the web for view | 01:22 |
| nixternal | that is done automatically at docs.kde.org | 01:22 |
| DarkwingDuck | kubuntu is vanelia enough to take the docs I write for Kubuntu I can submit to KDE with minor tweaking correct? | 01:23 |
| nixternal | yes | 01:24 |
| nixternal | you can also setup a vm, and just install the kde-full package in a vm or on top of a terminal/minimal install only as well | 01:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, sweet | 01:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm redoing the Netbook docs and finishing up the other docs from the ToDo list | 01:27 |
| daskreech | DarkwingDuck: How was Camp and where are my pictures damnit! | 01:32 |
| DarkwingDuck | LOL I'll be getting the pictures and the video of all of the presentations | 01:38 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| nixternal | oh jjesse you little ass! I see you trying to sneak karmic docs on me | 03:36 |
| jjesse | that's how i roll | 03:36 |
| nixternal | jjesse: if you want to work on some lucid docs, grab a couple of mine | 03:37 |
| jjesse | sure give me one | 03:37 |
| nixternal | I have already started communications | 03:37 |
| nixternal | network or printing, your choice | 03:37 |
| jjesse | nixternal: the reason that i gave the mto you is that understand the process | 03:37 |
| nixternal | I would say "config-desktop" needs to be worked on, as I don't think blizzz is around | 03:38 |
| jjesse | ok i'll work on config-desktop | 03:38 |
| nixternal | jjesse: change out blizzz's name on Kubuntu/Todo/Lucid with yours please | 03:38 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: wasn't I supposed to work on communication | 03:38 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: :) | 03:38 |
| nixternal | next week I am cracking the whip...if they don't have it done, they lose it | 03:38 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10: do you have anything on communication done? | 03:39 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: ahh okay :) I'll finish all my work today, exams are over yay!!!! | 03:39 |
| nixternal | plus, you have plenty to finish byb next week | 03:39 |
| nixternal | as do I...grr | 03:39 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: true, but no more exams and I get 3 days off | 03:39 |
| nixternal | lucky you :) | 03:39 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: are you taking exams? for what? | 03:40 |
| nixternal | tomorrow I will be working on Karmic docs and translations, all damn day long | 03:40 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I take it you manully added the pot files to LP for translation? | 03:40 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i haven't done anything w/ pot files | 03:40 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: translations can be a *huge* pain | 03:40 |
| jjesse | i have fixed all the bugs that are out there | 03:40 |
| jjesse | for karmic | 03:41 |
| nixternal | oh, so now all of the templates need to be uploaded? | 03:41 |
| nixternal | damn...you could do that, it is easy :) | 03:41 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: oh I am down to 6 bugs in kubuntu-website, isn't that awesome :) | 03:41 |
| nixternal | regenerate the potfiles and upload them one-by-one using that add button in LP | 03:41 |
| nixternal | by the time any translations get done, Karmic will be EOL | 03:41 |
| nixternal | jjesse: did you change a lot of strings? | 03:42 |
| jjesse | some in several diffferent files | 03:42 |
| jjesse | just amade it harder didn't i? | 03:43 |
| nixternal | well....hrmm | 03:44 |
| nixternal | I am looking at Karmic translations, some have been touching translations since release, though there are quite a few that haven't been touched since 2008 | 03:44 |
| jjesse | that sucks | 03:45 |
| nixternal | that's why I have been pissed about translations...not lp faults at all, people just aren't translating | 03:46 |
| jjesse | grumble | 03:46 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: can the translations be reused, that might make your life easy, and I'll help you what do i need to do, upload some templates | 03:47 |
| nixternal | so I have to dl an entire tarball for say, about-kubuntu, that has a po file for every language that LP supports, then I have to build it, then I have to fix so much stuff because people love translating tags for some reason..then I get those fixed to where they can be tested, to only find out there are probably 10 at best that are at least 60% complete | 03:48 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10: yes they can, but it doesn't do shit for making anything easier | 03:48 |
| nixternal | people will translate like 1 line or some shit, so it gets marked as changed and included in the tarball | 03:48 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: alirght I guess that I'll help you :) you have been helping me all the time, so I guess this time I can do something, so in short what can I do | 03:49 |
| dhillon-v10 | *then | 03:49 |
| nixternal | jeesh, people are still translating karmic strings | 03:49 |
| jjesse | why? they won't get updated will they? | 03:50 |
| jjesse | there should be a way to freeze lp translations | 03:50 |
| nixternal | about-kubuntu is broken | 03:53 |
| jjesse | thats the href i didn't know how to fix correct? | 03:56 |
| nixternal | no, this is messed up with sect1 and sect2's out of place | 03:57 |
| nixternal | trying to figure that one out | 03:57 |
| jjesse | oh ok | 03:58 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: what a nice way to say I am marking this bug invalid because this feature is useless, it really is because this guy is talking about the date change in 1924 | 03:59 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69102 | 03:59 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 69102 in kdecore "Switching from Jullian to Gregorian did not happen the same date for all countries" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 03:59 |
| * jjesse beds drop me a message with questions/concerns | 04:01 | |
| dhillon-v10 | jjesse: so I should leave that one alone then | 04:02 |
| nixternal | fixed | 04:03 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I just removed those 2 xrefs from hardware | 04:04 |
| nixternal | jjesse: uploaded translation pot files to LP | 04:15 |
| nixternal | jjesse: sent email to translation coordinators letting them know there are 18 new templates awaying approval...also asked them to remove 2 templates that are bogus and tend to break things even more when I go to do the translation packaging. | 04:20 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: something really important I just noticed, lucid is going to get HAL removed right, Solid depends on that and it crashes it HAL isn't found how are we going to deal with that | 04:37 |
| daskreech | Does searching for even simple things work for you with nepomuk on? | 04:47 |
| markey | oook, this time I only had to plug in the keyboard 8 times, after reboot | 07:00 |
| markey | not too bad | 07:00 |
| maco | criminey! | 07:00 |
| markey | 10 was the record, I think | 07:00 |
| kyubutsu | whys isnt quassel good enough for lucid? | 07:06 |
| kyubutsu | what are the alternatives ? | 07:07 |
| daskreech | Konversation | 07:09 |
| === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan | ||
| Quintasan | sup? | 07:36 |
| agateau | Riddell: ping | 08:59 |
| agateau | Upgraded my desktop to from Karmic to Lucid. Only failure so far (haven't rebooted yet) is this one http://pastebin.ca/1761297 | 09:01 |
| agateau | I worked around it with "sudo dpkg -r --force-depends kdepim-runtime-libs4" | 09:02 |
| agateau | Is this a known/fixed bug? | 09:02 |
| agateau | should I report it on LP? | 09:02 |
| agateau | ok, time for a reboot | 09:19 |
| jussi01 | hrm, is there any way to give a specific application a different theme to the rest of them? | 10:06 |
| agateau | jussi01: yes, myapp -style <name-of-style> | 10:25 |
| jussi01 | agateau: does that go for coulors also? | 10:25 |
| jussi01 | colours | 10:25 |
| agateau | jussi01: what do you mean? | 10:25 |
| jussi01 | agateau: ie. can I have my irc client in dark colours, and the rest in the default theme coulors? | 10:26 |
| agateau | jussi01: oh, color schemes | 10:26 |
| agateau | jussi01: not sure about this | 10:26 |
| jussi01 | yeah | 10:26 |
| * jussi01 prays an hopes | 10:26 | |
| agateau | I don't think so :/ | 10:26 |
| * jussi01 goes to ask in #kde | 10:27 | |
| agateau | jussi01: except if you go crazy and create a .qss file | 10:27 |
| jussi01 | agateau: yeah, Ive a qss file for it, but got to figure out then how to change the border parts :D | 10:28 |
| * jussi01 would just like to apply the theme for this one app, ie. obsidian coast and keep the rest as kubuntu defaults | 10:31 | |
| agateau | jussi01: there may be a hackish way to do so: | 10:31 |
| agateau | create a different .kde folder for it | 10:32 |
| agateau | and start it with KDEHOME=/my/dark/.kde myapp | 10:32 |
| agateau | not sure it would work | 10:32 |
| jussi01 | hrm, that may work.. | 10:33 |
| * jussi01 thinks furiously | 10:33 | |
| tseliot | Riddell, ScottK: Keybuk suggested that I postpone the creation of a plymouth theme package for Kubuntu as things will change soon upstream as regards as theme selection | 10:37 |
| Sput | jussi01: talking about Quassel? | 10:43 |
| Sput | you can change the color of all UI elements in Qt/KDE apps | 10:43 |
| jussi01 | Sput: yeah, I am. | 10:43 |
| Sput | just need to figure out the appropriate qss incantations :) | 10:43 |
| jussi01 | Sput: hang on, screenie coming.. :D | 10:44 |
| Sput | for general widgety stuff, QWidget { ... } could work | 10:44 |
| jussi01 | http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20100122-124607-snapshot2.png | 10:46 |
| glatzor | Riddell, | 10:46 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: did you take the hint and join a different freenode server? :) | 11:05 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: nah, irssi did it itself | 11:38 |
| Tm_T | actually it was pleasantly calm before reconnection (; | 11:43 |
| jussi01 | Hrm, has anyone installed todays daily? | 11:58 |
| jussi01 | ie. is lucid installable atm | 11:59 |
| Riddell | unlikely | 11:59 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: unlikely someones tried it or unlikely its installable? | 12:00 |
| Riddell | unlikely anyone has tried it | 12:01 |
| tseliot | Riddell: ^^^^ | 12:03 |
| tseliot | in case you missed my message | 12:03 |
| Riddell | tseliot: right, thanks, I guess we'll wait then | 12:07 |
| * tseliot nods | 12:07 | |
| Riddell | ScottK: re bug 487415 I think the correct solution is to add a build-dep on zlib to quassel | 12:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 487415 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-dev missing depends on zlib1g-dev" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487415 | 12:36 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. I filed that before the recent discussion openssl, so OK. I agree | 12:37 |
| agateau | Riddell: got my message this morning about libkdepim problem during upgrade? | 13:52 |
| Riddell | agateau: oh yes sorry, I need to look at that | 13:52 |
| Riddell | will be just a missing replaces somewhere | 13:52 |
| Riddell | agateau: how did you upgrade, just changed sources.list and dist-upgrade? | 13:53 |
| agateau | Riddell: yes | 13:53 |
| agateau | not the correct way? | 13:53 |
| ScottK | agateau: Sput has expressed some interest in supporting the new systray protocol, but has got a complicated situation where he needs to support the old one too for older KDE and Qt builds. Would you be able to help him out a bit with this? | 13:54 |
| agateau | ScottK: would it be KDE only? | 13:54 |
| ScottK | agateau: Yes. | 13:55 |
| jjesse_ | agateau: i think the correct way is the do-upgrade and the correct command switch | 13:55 |
| ScottK | Meaning only for the KDE builds. | 13:55 |
| agateau | ScottK: Then the KDE class KStatusNotifierItem takes care of this | 13:55 |
| Sput | hmmm... I'd actually prefer it for the Qt builds as well | 13:55 |
| agateau | jjesse_: never heard of do-upgrade | 13:55 |
| jjesse_ | agateau: do-release-upgrade -d | 13:55 |
| ScottK | agateau: Nevermind. He can speak for himself. | 13:55 |
| * agateau checks whether it's installed here | 13:55 | |
| jjesse_ | to upgrade to the development release | 13:55 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| Sput | agateau: is Gnome already supporting this protocol in any way? and if they start to, will it still be in the KDE dbus namespace? | 13:56 |
| ScottK | Sput: Canonical is doing a Gnome implementation for Ubuntu Lucid. My understand is that upstream is still TBD. | 13:56 |
| agateau | Sput: my colleagues at Canonical are working on bringing this to GNOME as well | 13:56 |
| Sput | agateau: right now I'd prefer to use dbus, since it wouldn't require kdelibs (their namechange mid-4.4 made things nasty too), but I'm not sure which dbus interface to use | 13:57 |
| agateau | Sput: whether it will be org.kde or org.freedesktop depends on the outcome of current discussions happening on freedesktop ML | 13:57 |
| Sput | agateau: hmmm, and how would that work then? moving the dbus spec to another namespace (fdo)? | 13:57 |
| Sput | aaah ok | 13:57 |
| Sput | so if I used the kde dbus interface now, would that be working in ubuntu for gnome then? | 13:57 |
| agateau | Sput: yes | 13:57 |
| agateau | and on non-ubuntu gnome as well | 13:58 |
| Sput | good to know, so that would probably be the right thing then | 13:58 |
| Sput | ah? | 13:58 |
| agateau | oh, no | 13:58 |
| agateau | I thought you meant the kde class | 13:58 |
| Sput | no, I mean the dbus interface directly, in order to support proper tray icons for the non-KDE version | 13:58 |
| agateau | we are not sure for now which dbus namespace is going to be used for Lucid :/ | 13:59 |
| agateau | I'd rather see support for the new system implemented in Qt, but it's not going to happen soon | 13:59 |
| Sput | so it's kinda messy I guess | 13:59 |
| Sput | yeah, that would be preferable | 13:59 |
| Sput | we're currently using {Q|K}SystemTrayIcon | 13:59 |
| agateau | You could use {QSystemTrayIcon|KStatusNotifierItem} for now | 14:00 |
| Sput | that's completely orthogonal to the notification/libindicate stuff, right? | 14:00 |
| agateau | it's probably the safest thing to do | 14:00 |
| agateau | rgiht | 14:00 |
| agateau | right | 14:00 |
| Sput | ok | 14:00 |
| Sput | hmm, true | 14:00 |
| agateau | despite the confusing names on the gnome side :/ | 14:00 |
| Sput | as stock gnome isn't supporting KDE's spec right now, it probably doesn't make too much sense for Quassel to support it in non-KDE builds | 14:01 |
| Sput | KStatusNotifierItem would only work in KDE 4.4+ though | 14:01 |
| agateau | indeed | 14:01 |
| Sput | we... so would the dbus spec | 14:01 |
| Sput | *well | 14:01 |
| agateau | you shouldn't get any regression | 14:01 |
| Sput | the class changed names between 4.3 and 4.4 | 14:01 |
| Sput | so you couldn't build against 4.3 | 14:02 |
| Riddell | agateau: do you think we can talk to ted about the gnome library naming? GStatusNotifierItem would be so much better | 14:02 |
| agateau | Riddell: I don't think so | 14:02 |
| Riddell | agateau: you think he's set on his overly generic name? | 14:02 |
| agateau | I already made them change from libcustomindicator to libappindicator | 14:02 |
| * Sput is glad that he encapsulated the systray stuff in Quassel, so it should be possible to support different backends without changing too much code | 14:03 | |
| agateau | Riddell: not only him, but Jono, the design team, Mark... | 14:03 |
| Riddell | oh well. I still don't see what's wrong with calling it a systray icon | 14:03 |
| agateau | Sput: smart move | 14:03 |
| agateau | Riddell: too geeky :) | 14:03 |
| Sput | Riddell: because it doesn't need to be shown in anything resembling a systray :) | 14:03 |
| agateau | Riddell: and GNOME never called this a systray | 14:03 |
| agateau | Riddell: on the gnome side it's called the "notification area" | 14:04 |
| Riddell | they just like to be difficult :) | 14:04 |
| agateau | :) | 14:04 |
| Sput | agateau: so there were some blog posts on p.g.o where they were talking about this new systray stuff, highlighting the cooperation with KDE - yet when I checked the code, it looks like they have their own, subtly different dbus interface now, is that true? | 14:05 |
| agateau | Sput: I am working with ted (the blog author) to get the differences out | 14:05 |
| Sput | Riddell: you just fail to understand why it is better for users! like with exchanging the order of OK/Cancel compared to any other DE outside! | 14:05 |
| Riddell | let's not be starting a flamewar :) | 14:06 |
| Sput | agateau: ah, so the goal is still to converge to the same interface, at some point | 14:06 |
| agateau | Sput: yes, "some point" hopefully being positioned before Lucid release | 14:07 |
| Sput | oh. that would be soon. | 14:07 |
| Sput | maybe I should go for using the dbus interface directly then | 14:07 |
| Sput | renaming that to a different namespace would be less trouble than whipping out yet another backend | 14:07 |
| agateau | Sput: I would suggest starting with KStatusNotifierItem for now, it's probably less work to do | 14:08 |
| agateau | and maybe at one point Qt will learn about this new system | 14:08 |
| ScottK | Maybe Canonical will contribute a Qt implementation? | 14:08 |
| agateau | ScottK: I'd love to | 14:11 |
| agateau | ScottK: but I'd wait until the dust has settled down | 14:11 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 14:11 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 14:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you have an idea if the support service sold by canonical is available in french or not ? | 14:23 |
| Tonio_ | if not who may I ask over IRC for this ? | 14:23 |
| agateau | Tonio_: it is | 14:23 |
| agateau | Tonio_: support is based in Montréal so they may have an accent :) | 14:23 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: well this question if for the quebec government :) | 14:24 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: I work for a canadian company now :) | 14:24 |
| agateau | Tonio_: oh great then! | 14:24 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: thanks for the quick response :) | 14:24 |
| agateau | Tonio_: you're welcome! so you sold Ubuntu (or even better Kubuntu?) to the quebec government? | 14:27 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: in the work for now :) | 14:27 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: a desktop project, and we are trying to push ubuntu, but we are not the ones to choose :) | 14:28 |
| Tonio_ | agateau: just consulting atm | 14:28 |
| e-jat | is kde sc 4.4 rc2 on build? | 14:29 |
| agateau | Tonio_: great | 14:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, that's why it's in Montreal | 14:31 |
| Riddell | e-jat: testers needed | 14:31 |
| e-jat | its at kubuntu ppa beta ? | 14:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well that's not obvious, Redhat for example only offers english | 14:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but it's true they are in ontario :) | 14:33 |
| e-jat | Riddell: ? | 14:34 |
| Riddell | e-jat: karmic or lucid? | 14:34 |
| e-jat | Riddell: karmic | 14:34 |
| Riddell | e-jat: that source and put results at bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | 14:35 |
| === ulysses__ is now known as ulysses | ||
| e-jat | Riddell: thanks .. will do .. | 14:37 |
| e-jat | Riddell: u mean the PPA Testing KDE 4.3.95 column ? | 14:39 |
| Riddell | yes | 14:40 |
| e-jat | ok .. | 14:40 |
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| === chs_ is now known as chs | ||
| Riddell | miracle of miracles, today's i386 CD isn't oversized | 15:51 |
| Riddell | just that amd64 to whip into shape | 15:51 |
| ScottK | \o/ | 15:52 |
| markey | Riddell: that Choqok upgrade is giving me trouble | 15:52 |
| markey | 100% CPU, 2008MB RAM (Virt) usage... | 15:52 |
| markey | it does weird things | 15:53 |
| markey | now it hangs entirely | 15:53 |
| Riddell | waa | 15:53 |
| * markey tries deleting config | 15:53 | |
| markey | it has done this before, and somehow nuking the config often fixes that, I found | 15:53 |
| markey | let's see | 15:53 |
| Riddell | markey: wait, what upgrade? | 15:55 |
| markey | Riddell: there came one this morning, from backports or so | 15:55 |
| markey | hmm | 15:56 |
| markey | wait | 15:56 |
| markey | I got that from a PPA | 15:56 |
| markey | from neversfelde, I think | 15:56 |
| markey | I guess he upgraded it | 15:56 |
| markey | that makes sense | 15:56 |
| Riddell | yeah must be neversfelde's archive | 15:56 |
| markey | right, sorry for the confusion | 15:56 |
| Riddell | neversfelde never subscribed ubuntu-archive to bug 510244 so it hasn't been synced into the main archive yet | 15:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 510244 in choqok "Please sync choqok 0.9.4+git20091230-1. (main) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510244 | 15:56 |
| ScottK | This reminds me. | 15:57 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Would you please do the backport in bug 488633. It covers a security fix. | 15:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 488633 in karmic-backports "Please backport zend-framework 1.9.7-0ubuntu1 from Lucid" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488633 | 15:57 |
| markey | ok, deleted the complete ~/.kde/share/apps/choqok | 15:57 |
| markey | one "backuprc" file in there had grown to 300Kb, or so | 15:58 |
| markey | fishy | 15:58 |
| Riddell | hum, maybe more testing needed before a sync | 15:59 |
| Riddell | grumble backport script can only do one distro release at a time grumble | 15:59 |
| markey | ok, nuking this folder seems to have helped | 16:00 |
| markey | all back to normal now | 16:00 |
| markey | :) | 16:00 |
| markey | other than that, Choqok is becoming really nice :) | 16:00 |
| markey | great app, I think | 16:00 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| neversfelde | markey: this isn't an official update, only a snapshot package from latest trunk | 16:02 |
| markey | neversfelde: yep, sorry for confusion | 16:02 |
| markey | anyway, seems to work fine now | 16:03 |
| neversfelde | anyway, it is for testing, because I am still not sure, if it is a good idea to use it in 10.04 | 16:03 |
| neversfelde | works fine for me, too | 16:03 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: but I should still do that sync request? | 16:03 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| neversfelde | Riddell: I got less negative feedback so far, so the new version seems to be stable and nearly feature complete. I use it myself for a few days now and it is ok for me. The most important argument is, that upstream wants us to ship the new version, so I will subscribe ubuntu-archive to the bug report later. | 16:07 |
| markey | neversfelde: I found that Choqok often has issues with handling upgrades correctly. but once you nuke these timeline cache foo files, it works fine again | 16:11 |
| markey | dunno if mtux knows about that | 16:11 |
| neversfelde | markey: I think he knows, at least I saw a user talking with him about it on identi.ca | 16:12 |
| markey | mtux is very busy these days, he's in the army I think | 16:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks on the backport. | 16:13 |
| neversfelde | yes and there isn't a good network connection in iran, seems that they block ssh ports there. | 16:13 |
| agateau | ScottK: I kind of remember you told me at UDS if I created a standalone version of the Ayatana notifications you could get them in Lucid, | 16:14 |
| ScottK | agateau: I said I would help you with it, yes. | 16:15 |
| agateau | ScottK: oh, | 16:15 |
| agateau | so time for me to learn packaging then | 16:15 |
| ScottK | agateau: A lot of new packages get proposed, but don't get reivewed. | 16:15 |
| ScottK | I can make sure it gets reviewed. | 16:16 |
| agateau | ScottK: ok | 16:16 |
| ScottK | There are also probably plenty of people here than can help you with the packaging. | 16:16 |
| agateau | I guess so :) | 16:16 |
| ScottK | I'm also glad to answer questions too. | 16:17 |
| agateau | ok thanks | 16:17 |
| agateau | I may give it a try this weekend | 16:18 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Are you going to give the Kubuntu update in the release team meeting? | 16:18 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I have some notes | 16:19 |
| Riddell | bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus | 16:19 |
| ScottK | OK | 16:20 |
| txwikinger | Is it only me, or are there still more issues between X and KDE than was in 3.5? | 16:31 |
| txwikinger | are the concoles that are acccessible via CTRL-ALT-F1-6 started by KDE or before in the boot process? | 16:42 |
| ScottK | The VTs are started before KDE. | 16:46 |
| Riddell | they're Linux | 16:46 |
| txwikinger | good. than it is not a KDE bug :) | 16:46 |
| txwikinger | then | 16:46 |
| Riddell | probably plymouth/KMS | 16:46 |
| txwikinger | I have none of them starting anymore | 16:47 |
| txwikinger | well. I just remember the gettys used to be started in inittab | 16:49 |
| txwikinger | now it should be upstart, I would think | 16:49 |
| ScottK | It has been since Edgy | 16:50 |
| txwikinger | wow.. I haven't poked around in this stuff for a long time | 16:50 |
| ScottK | Dapper was the last Ubuntu release to install inittab on a new install | 16:51 |
| txwikinger | cool.. I can start them simply with service | 16:52 |
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| Riddell | splitting up network-manager-vpnc should let us get rid of a load of gnomeism on the CD | 17:03 |
| Riddell | I've got rid of gcc and linux-headers | 17:04 |
| Riddell | and openoffice.org-impress on amd64 just for good luck (Ubuntu doesn't ship it although I'd prefer to keep it if we can find space later) | 17:04 |
| Riddell | hmm, I think plasma-widget-lancelot should be a suggests and not a recommends, we don't need that on the CD | 17:05 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 17:05 |
| Riddell | changed in bzr | 17:06 |
| dhillon-v10 | hi all, when packaging an upstream product that has revision history, what happens to the history do I just delete it or make a .orig tarball from all of that and then delete it in the folder that is going to have debian folder in it | 17:28 |
| ejat | Riddell: i've updated https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | 17:53 |
| ejat | kinda having some timeout with the ppa | 17:53 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: ping regarding docs. | 19:02 |
| nixternal | yo | 19:07 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10: yo | 19:08 |
| * nixternal wonders if he should document the gnome counterparts for both networking and printing | 19:10 | |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: oh hey, there's a doc. written for samba file sharing that we need in kubuntu in ubuntu-docs, I submitted some patches to it so I was wondering if we could use that docs. making some minor edits and importing the whole thing over at kubuntu, I looked at it and seems like it would work :) | 19:21 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: and btw irssi rocks :) | 19:21 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10: what doc is this? | 19:33 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: ubuntu-docs/serverguide/C/windows-networking.xml | 19:40 |
| nixternal | everything in there is related to server functions...I don't mind linking to help.ubuntu.com for it, but pulling it in and having to remember to watch it in lp:ubuntu-docs is a pita | 19:43 |
| nixternal | especially since bzr doesn't do externals | 19:43 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: alright so should I write the doc for file sharing from scratch, that's the only thing I wanted to copy over | 19:47 |
| nixternal | I am going to cover it in the network topic | 19:48 |
| nixternal | work on the docs in the todo list, there is less than a week before I close them off and take everyone's documents that aren't complete | 19:48 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10: oh wait, you are doing the sharing topic, yeah, do that | 19:49 |
| nixternal | incorporate what you need in the sharing document | 19:49 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: alright :) | 19:50 |
| nixternal | forgot we had a sharing topic :) | 19:50 |
| daskreech | is there a fix for the choqok Qt Pixmap crash? | 19:51 |
| nixternal | just finished the communications topic, well except for IRC, because I am not going to waste my time documenting an IRC client just for it to be changed in a month | 19:51 |
| jjesse | nixternal: don't worry once you document it they will change it back | 19:56 |
| jjesse | i picked up config last night didn't i? | 19:56 |
| nixternal | yes | 19:57 |
| nixternal | are there "restricted drivers" for ethernet cards or do they all just work? | 19:58 |
| * nixternal notes the network topics sucks to write | 19:58 | |
| ScottK | There are ones that don't work, but AFAIK we don't provide drivers. They are rare. | 19:58 |
| jjesse | so should i be paying attention to this whole mallard discussion on ubuntu-docs list? | 19:58 |
| nixternal | jjesse: not really | 19:59 |
| nixternal | hey, network mangler doesn't do static right? you have to close nm and then set it up via /etc/network/interfaces right? | 20:04 |
| jjesse | nixternal: thanks i will continue to ignore | 20:04 |
| nixternal | or has that all since changed? | 20:04 |
| nixternal | haven't used static in ages | 20:04 |
| ScottK | nixternal: No. Works fine. | 20:05 |
| nixternal | oh rock on, thanks | 20:05 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Wait. | 20:05 |
| ScottK | I was thinking of something else. | 20:05 |
| ScottK | I have some computers with static DHCP (dhcp always gives them the same IP). I got confused. | 20:06 |
| nixternal | lol | 20:06 |
| ScottK | That's still dhcp as far as the client is concerned | 20:06 |
| nixternal | right, my router does that, so everything is config'd via dhcp anyways | 20:06 |
| ScottK | tomplast: You there? | 20:09 |
| tomplast | Yup | 20:09 |
| ScottK | tomplast: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess is where you start. | 20:09 |
| tomplast | ^^ | 20:09 |
| tomplast | ty | 20:10 |
| tomplast | Do I need to be a Kubuntu member to be able to go through with this? | 20:10 |
| neversfelde | is this http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi/Svn_get-orig-source up to date? Do I need to create a get-orig-source rule, when packaging from SVN or git repository? | 20:17 |
| ScottK | tomplast: No. | 20:20 |
| ScottK | tomplast: You need to gather the information asked for in the wiki page and then ask me for a review when you've got it. | 20:20 |
| Quintasan | \o | 20:21 |
| dhillon-v10 | Quintasan: hi there :) | 20:22 |
| Quintasan | dhillon-v10: sup, any problems with phonon-backends? or you did not get to it yet? | 20:24 |
| dhillon-v10 | Quintasan: started, but have a question: what happens to all the revision history ?? should that go into the .orig tarball and deleted from the working directory | 20:25 |
| Quintasan | dhillon-v10: do you mean .svn directory? | 20:26 |
| Quintasan | dhillon-v10: I remove it and I belive it is correct to do so | 20:26 |
| Quintasan | find . -name .svn -exec rm -rf {} \; | 20:27 |
| Quintasan | dhillon-v10: ^^ | 20:27 |
| Quintasan | automagicall way to do it :P | 20:27 |
| ryanakca_ | neversfelde: No clue, but morph_ (Sandro Tosi) is around in #debian-python on OFTC if you want to ask him | 20:27 |
| Quintasan | dhillon-v10: in SVN each directory contains .svn and it's a bit tedious to remove em by hand :P | 20:28 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca_: thanks, I will probably ask him. | 20:29 |
| dhillon-v10 | Quintasan: yeah I did for some directories and was wondering if that's the right thing so thanks again | 20:30 |
| Quintasan | dhillon-v10: no probs, waiting to see your packages :P | 20:31 |
| Lex79 | is there a new upstream release of phonon-backends? | 20:32 |
| dhillon-v10 | Lex79: it was never packaged :) AFAIK | 20:32 |
| dhillon-v10 | Lex79: atleast not for karmic, I saw that on the wiki page | 20:32 |
| tomplast | ScottK: So I will just gather the information and not file a MIR bug before you reviews it, right? | 20:32 |
| Lex79 | dhillon-v10: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backends | 20:33 |
| Lex79 | dhillon-v10: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages?field.name_filter=phonon-backends&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= | 20:33 |
| ScottK | tomplast: You can file it. Just don't subscribe the ubuntu-mir team. Let me review it and do that once it's ready. | 20:33 |
| Lex79 | Riddell: I'm packaging the new upstream release of qscintilla2 | 20:34 |
| tomplast | ScottK: Sure, will do a thorough job :). Today or tomorrow I will be finished. I'll send you a note when completed. | 20:34 |
| dhillon-v10 | Lex79: thanks for the link, but it says here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging that hasn't been packaged so what should I do ?? | 20:36 |
| Lex79 | that it means there is no a new upstream release...so you/we should do nothing for the moment | 20:38 |
| ScottK | tomplast: Just ping me here. I'm usually around. | 20:40 |
| tomplast | ScottK: Sure, will do. | 20:40 |
| dhillon-v10 | Lex79: so is there anything left that hasn't been packaged for kubuntu | 20:40 |
| Lex79 | dhillon-v10: for example , you can watch on kde-apps if we need a new upstream release of our packages | 20:44 |
| Lex79 | or in kde-look | 20:44 |
| Lex79 | about packages in Universe I meant | 20:45 |
| dhillon-v10 | Lex79: alright thanks :) | 20:45 |
| Lex79 | np | 20:46 |
| sistpoty | Hi | 21:05 |
| daskreech | hi | 21:05 |
| sistpoty | does anyone have a clue if that patch is still required? http://paste.ubuntu.com/360873/ | 21:05 |
| sistpoty | (updating k9copy to new upstream version) | 21:06 |
| sistpoty | (it builds fine, but I have no kde around to test phonon backends) | 21:06 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: should I include samba-share-security as a topic in file-sharing ? | 21:08 |
| Lex79 | sistpoty: you can drop that patch, I can test your package if your want | 21:17 |
| Lex79 | s/your/you | 21:17 |
| sistpoty | Lex79: that would be excellent... amd64? | 21:31 |
| Lex79 | yep | 21:31 |
| * ScottK likes how the freenode ops PM everyone about spam and don't click on the links with a link for details. | 21:31 | |
| Lex79 | ahahah :) | 21:32 |
| neversfelde | :) | 21:32 |
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| txwikinger | ScottK: Don't click it! | 21:33 |
| sistpoty | Lex79: http://spooky.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~sistpoty/k9copy/ | 21:35 |
| sistpoty | (sources will follow soonish in this folder | 21:35 |
| sistpoty | +) | 21:35 |
| txwikinger | Lex79: Don't click the link ;) | 21:36 |
| Lex79 | ok | 21:36 |
| sistpoty | haha | 21:37 |
| Lex79 | nope :) | 21:37 |
| sistpoty | sources there as well... if you dare to click :P | 21:39 |
| Lex79 | ok | 21:42 |
| Lex79 | :) | 21:42 |
| Lex79 | neversfelde: well, we have finished with 4.3.5 :) | 21:43 |
| neversfelde | Lex79: yes :), I will upload the missing packages in a few minutes | 21:43 |
| Lex79 | good | 21:43 |
| neversfelde | how about kde-l10n ? | 21:44 |
| Lex79 | dunno | 21:45 |
| neversfelde | I have never done anything with it, so I have no idea how to create these packages. | 21:46 |
| ScottK | Riddell has a script. | 21:46 |
| neversfelde | ok | 21:46 |
| nixternal | Riddell: +R this channel or anyone with ops | 21:47 |
| nixternal | freenode is getting attacked yet once again | 21:47 |
| Lex79 | neversfelde: btw I think it's not need to upload l10n to staging since 4.3.5 will go to karmic-backports | 21:47 |
| neversfelde | yes, forgot about this | 21:48 |
| sistpoty | Lex79: sorry, got to go to bed right now... if you've find regressions with k9copy, please mail me (sistpoty@ubuntu.com), otherwise I'll just upload it once I wake up tomorrow | 21:49 |
| sistpoty | gn8 | 21:49 |
| Lex79 | sistpoty: ok, it seems work btw | 21:49 |
| sistpoty | Lex79: cool, thanks! | 21:50 |
| Lex79 | no problem | 21:50 |
| sistpoty | Lex79: so I can upload it right now? | 21:50 |
| Lex79 | yeah, upload please :) | 21:50 |
| sistpoty | Lex79: ok, thanks again! | 21:50 |
| Lex79 | sistpoty: good night :) | 21:50 |
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| markey | neversfelde: Choqok is still acting weird here (eating CPU, etc) | 22:11 |
| markey | got similar issues? | 22:11 |
| neversfelde | markey: no, everything is fine here and I did not herad of similiar problems, too | 22:12 |
| markey | ok, then I guess I'll simply have to remove the whole of the config files | 22:13 |
| daskreech | Choqok won't start for me | 22:13 |
| daskreech | Some Qt pixmap bug | 22:13 |
| markey | daskreech: ah well, Qt 4.6.0? | 22:13 |
| markey | that's a known bug then | 22:14 |
| markey | and very nasty | 22:14 |
| daskreech | Ah so I need a new Qt? | 22:14 |
| markey | many apps are getting a taste of that | 22:14 |
| markey | yes | 22:14 |
| markey | 4.6.0 is a disaster | 22:14 |
| daskreech | hmm wonder which I have | 22:14 |
| markey | use 4.6.1 (or 4.5) | 22:14 |
| daskreech | Yep 4.6.0 | 22:15 |
| Riddell | evening | 22:16 |
| daskreech | hi Riddell | 22:16 |
| daskreech | Nepomuksearches pretend they work now | 23:55 |
| daskreech | Progress! | 23:55 |
| daskreech | And I have a search bar again :) | 23:55 |
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