[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: you around?
[00:31] <Zorael> Can anyone post/reply to the kubuntu-devel mailing list, or is it more aimed for internal communication between Kubuntu devs? (Wanted to add to the ktorrent thread that just opened.)
[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> Go ahead and post my friend
[00:44] <freeflying> Quintasan: JontheEchidna kimpanel is ready for upload, I have pushed those chanches needed into kdeplasma-addons
[00:53] <Lex79> freeflying: we know, I merged your changes for next packaging release (RC2) and I assigned credits to you
[00:53] <Lex79> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/changelog
[00:55] <freeflying> Lex79: cool, thx
[00:55] <Lex79> no problem
[00:56] <Lex79> thx for your changes
[01:18] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yo yo
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> What's up my friend?
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> Now that the Camp is over I'm back again :D
[01:19] <nixternal> waiting for my pizza...putting some models together for my nephews
[01:19] <nixternal> how was camp?
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> Camp was good. Talk on Documentation went VERY well
[01:19] <nixternal> groovy
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> They taped it... when I get the link I'll toss it out there.
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> there was a talk about Docs VS wikis that it sparked
[01:21] <nixternal> lovely
[01:21] <nixternal> let me guess, people want to develop docs on the wiki and then use this magical piece of shit that converts it to docbook?
[01:21] <DarkwingDuck> IT wasn't as bad as the ML was getting
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> No actually, it was more of an Anti-wiki feel
[01:22] <nixternal> groovy, then Phil and I got out point across 2 or 3 years ago
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> and figuring out how to post the docs onto the web for view
[01:22] <nixternal> that is done automatically at docs.kde.org
[01:23] <DarkwingDuck> kubuntu is vanelia enough to take the docs I write for Kubuntu I can submit to KDE with minor tweaking correct?
[01:24] <nixternal> yes
[01:26] <nixternal> you can also setup a vm, and just install the kde-full package in a vm or on top of a terminal/minimal install only as well
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, sweet
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> I'm redoing the Netbook docs and finishing up the other docs from the ToDo list
[01:32] <daskreech> DarkwingDuck: How was Camp and where are my pictures damnit!
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> LOL I'll be getting the pictures and the video of all of the presentations
[03:36] <nixternal> oh jjesse you little ass! I see you trying to sneak karmic docs on me
[03:36] <jjesse> that's how i roll
[03:37] <nixternal> jjesse: if you want to work on some lucid docs, grab a couple of mine
[03:37] <jjesse> sure give me one
[03:37] <nixternal> I have already started communications
[03:37] <nixternal> network or printing, your choice
[03:37] <jjesse> nixternal: the reason that i gave the mto you is that understand the process
[03:38] <nixternal> I would say "config-desktop" needs to be worked on, as I don't think blizzz is around
[03:38] <jjesse> ok i'll work on config-desktop
[03:38] <nixternal> jjesse: change out blizzz's name on Kubuntu/Todo/Lucid with yours please
[03:38] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: wasn't I supposed to work on communication
[03:38] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: :)
[03:38] <nixternal> next week I am cracking the whip...if they don't have it done, they lose it
[03:39] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: do you have anything on communication done?
[03:39] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: ahh okay :) I'll finish all my work today, exams are over yay!!!!
[03:39] <nixternal> plus, you have plenty to finish byb next week
[03:39] <nixternal> as do I...grr
[03:39] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: true, but no more exams and I get 3 days off
[03:39] <nixternal> lucky you :)
[03:40] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: are you taking exams? for what?
[03:40] <nixternal> tomorrow I will be working on Karmic docs and translations, all damn day long
[03:40] <nixternal> jjesse: I take it you manully added the pot files to LP for translation?
[03:40] <jjesse> nixternal: i haven't done anything w/ pot files
[03:40] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: translations can be a *huge* pain
[03:40] <jjesse> i have fixed all the bugs that are out there
[03:41] <jjesse> for karmic
[03:41] <nixternal> oh, so now all of the templates need to be uploaded?
[03:41] <nixternal> damn...you could do that, it is easy :)
[03:41] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: oh I am down to 6 bugs in kubuntu-website, isn't that awesome :)
[03:41] <nixternal> regenerate the potfiles and upload them one-by-one using that add button in LP
[03:41] <nixternal> by the time any translations get done, Karmic will be EOL
[03:42] <nixternal> jjesse: did you change a lot of strings?
[03:42] <jjesse> some in several diffferent files
[03:43] <jjesse> just amade it harder didn't i?
[03:44] <nixternal> well....hrmm
[03:44] <nixternal> I am looking at Karmic translations, some have been touching translations since release, though there are quite a few that haven't been touched since 2008
[03:45] <jjesse> that sucks
[03:46] <nixternal> that's why I have been pissed about translations...not lp faults at all, people just aren't translating
[03:46] <jjesse> grumble
[03:47] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: can the translations be reused, that might make your life easy, and I'll help you what do i need to do, upload some templates
[03:48] <nixternal> so I have to dl an entire tarball for say, about-kubuntu, that has a po file for every language that LP supports, then I have to build it, then I have to fix so much stuff because people love translating tags for some reason..then I get those fixed to where they can be tested, to only find out there are probably 10 at best that are at least 60% complete
[03:48] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: yes they can, but it doesn't do shit for making anything easier
[03:48] <nixternal> people will translate like 1 line or some shit, so it gets marked as changed and included in the tarball
[03:49] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: alirght I guess that I'll help you :) you have been helping me all the time, so I guess this time I can do something, so in short what can I do
[03:49] <dhillon-v10> *then
[03:49] <nixternal> jeesh, people are still translating karmic strings
[03:50] <jjesse> why?  they won't get updated will they?
[03:50] <jjesse> there should be a way to freeze lp translations
[03:53] <nixternal> about-kubuntu is broken
[03:56] <jjesse> thats the href i didn't know how to fix correct?
[03:57] <nixternal> no, this is messed up with sect1 and sect2's out of place
[03:57] <nixternal> trying to figure that one out
[03:58] <jjesse> oh ok
[03:59] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: what a nice way to say I am marking this bug invalid because this feature is useless, it really is because this guy is talking about the date change in 1924
[03:59] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69102
[04:01]  * jjesse beds drop me a message with questions/concerns
[04:02] <dhillon-v10> jjesse: so I should leave that one alone then
[04:03] <nixternal> fixed
[04:04] <nixternal> jjesse: I just removed those 2 xrefs from hardware
[04:15] <nixternal> jjesse: uploaded translation pot files to LP
[04:20] <nixternal> jjesse: sent email to translation coordinators letting them know there are 18 new templates awaying approval...also asked them to remove 2 templates that are bogus and tend to break things even more when I go to do the translation packaging.
[04:37] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: something really important I just noticed, lucid is going to get HAL removed right, Solid depends on that and it crashes it HAL isn't found how are we going to deal with that
[04:47] <daskreech> Does searching for even simple things work for you with nepomuk on?
[07:00] <markey> oook, this time I only had to plug in the keyboard 8 times, after reboot
[07:00] <markey> not too bad
[07:00] <maco> criminey!
[07:00] <markey> 10 was the record, I think
[07:06] <kyubutsu> whys isnt quassel good enough for lucid?
[07:07] <kyubutsu> what are the alternatives ?
[07:09] <daskreech> Konversation
[07:36] <Quintasan> sup?
[08:59] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[09:01] <agateau> Upgraded my desktop to from Karmic to Lucid. Only failure so far (haven't rebooted yet) is this one http://pastebin.ca/1761297
[09:02] <agateau> I worked around it with "sudo dpkg -r --force-depends kdepim-runtime-libs4"
[09:02] <agateau> Is this a known/fixed bug?
[09:02] <agateau> should I report it on LP?
[09:19] <agateau> ok, time for a reboot
[10:06] <jussi01> hrm, is there any way to give a specific application a different theme to the rest of them?
[10:25] <agateau> jussi01: yes, myapp -style <name-of-style>
[10:25] <jussi01> agateau: does that go for coulors also?
[10:25] <jussi01> colours
[10:25] <agateau> jussi01: what do you mean?
[10:26] <jussi01> agateau: ie. can I have my irc client in dark colours, and the rest in the default theme coulors?
[10:26] <agateau> jussi01: oh, color schemes
[10:26] <agateau> jussi01: not sure about this
[10:26] <jussi01> yeah
[10:26]  * jussi01 prays an hopes
[10:26] <agateau> I don't think so :/
[10:27]  * jussi01 goes to ask in #kde
[10:27] <agateau> jussi01: except if you go crazy and create a .qss file
[10:28] <jussi01> agateau: yeah, Ive a qss file for it, but got to figure out then how to change the border parts :D
[10:31]  * jussi01 would just like to apply the theme for this one app, ie. obsidian coast and keep the rest as kubuntu defaults
[10:31] <agateau> jussi01: there may be a hackish way to do so:
[10:32] <agateau> create a different .kde folder for it
[10:32] <agateau> and start it with KDEHOME=/my/dark/.kde myapp
[10:32] <agateau> not sure it would work
[10:33] <jussi01> hrm, that may work..
[10:33]  * jussi01 thinks furiously
[10:37] <tseliot> Riddell, ScottK: Keybuk suggested that I postpone the creation of a plymouth theme package for Kubuntu as things will change soon upstream as regards as theme selection
[10:43] <Sput> jussi01: talking about Quassel?
[10:43] <Sput> you can change the color of all UI elements in Qt/KDE apps
[10:43] <jussi01> Sput: yeah, I am.
[10:43] <Sput> just need to figure out the appropriate qss incantations :)
[10:44] <jussi01> Sput: hang on, screenie coming.. :D
[10:44] <Sput> for general widgety stuff, QWidget { ... } could work
[10:46] <jussi01> http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20100122-124607-snapshot2.png
[10:46] <glatzor> Riddell,
[11:05] <Riddell> Tm_T: did you take the hint and join a different freenode server? :)
[11:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: nah, irssi did it itself
[11:43] <Tm_T> actually it was pleasantly calm before reconnection (;
[11:58] <jussi01> Hrm, has anyone installed todays daily?
[11:59] <jussi01> ie. is lucid installable atm
[11:59] <Riddell> unlikely
[12:00] <jussi01> Riddell: unlikely someones tried it or unlikely its installable?
[12:01] <Riddell> unlikely anyone has tried it
[12:03] <tseliot> Riddell: ^^^^
[12:03] <tseliot> in case you missed my message
[12:07] <Riddell> tseliot: right, thanks, I guess we'll wait then
[12:07]  * tseliot nods
[12:36] <Riddell> ScottK: re bug 487415 I think the correct solution is to add a build-dep on zlib to quassel
[12:37] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I filed that before the recent discussion openssl, so OK.  I agree
[13:52] <agateau> Riddell: got my message this morning about libkdepim problem during upgrade?
[13:52] <Riddell> agateau: oh yes sorry, I need to look at that
[13:52] <Riddell> will be just a missing replaces somewhere
[13:53] <Riddell> agateau: how did you upgrade, just changed sources.list and dist-upgrade?
[13:53] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[13:53] <agateau> not the correct way?
[13:54] <ScottK> agateau: Sput has expressed some interest in supporting the new systray protocol, but has got a complicated situation where he needs to support the old one too for older KDE and Qt builds.  Would you be able to help him out a bit with this?
[13:54] <agateau> ScottK: would it be KDE only?
[13:55] <ScottK> agateau: Yes.
[13:55] <jjesse_> agateau: i think the correct way is the do-upgrade and the correct command switch
[13:55] <ScottK> Meaning only for the KDE builds.
[13:55] <agateau> ScottK: Then the KDE class KStatusNotifierItem takes care of this
[13:55] <Sput> hmmm... I'd actually prefer it for the Qt builds as well
[13:55] <agateau> jjesse_: never heard of do-upgrade
[13:55] <jjesse_> agateau: do-release-upgrade -d
[13:55] <ScottK> agateau: Nevermind.  He can speak for himself.
[13:55]  * agateau checks whether it's installed here
[13:55] <jjesse_> to upgrade to the development release
[13:56] <Sput> agateau: is Gnome already supporting this protocol in any way? and if they start to, will it still be in the KDE dbus namespace?
[13:56] <ScottK> Sput: Canonical is doing a Gnome implementation for Ubuntu Lucid.  My understand is that upstream is still TBD.
[13:56] <agateau> Sput: my colleagues at Canonical are working on bringing this to GNOME as well
[13:57] <Sput> agateau: right now I'd prefer to use dbus, since it wouldn't require kdelibs (their namechange mid-4.4 made things nasty too), but I'm not sure which dbus interface to use
[13:57] <agateau> Sput: whether it will be org.kde or org.freedesktop depends on the outcome of current discussions happening on freedesktop ML
[13:57] <Sput> agateau: hmmm, and how would that work then? moving the dbus spec to another namespace (fdo)?
[13:57] <Sput> aaah ok
[13:57] <Sput> so if I used the kde dbus interface now, would that be working in ubuntu for gnome then?
[13:57] <agateau> Sput: yes
[13:58] <agateau> and on non-ubuntu gnome as well
[13:58] <Sput> good to know, so that would probably be the right thing then
[13:58] <Sput> ah?
[13:58] <agateau> oh, no
[13:58] <agateau> I thought you meant the kde class
[13:58] <Sput> no, I mean the dbus interface directly, in order to support proper tray icons for the non-KDE version
[13:59] <agateau> we are not sure for now which dbus namespace is going to be used for Lucid :/
[13:59] <agateau> I'd rather see support for the new system implemented in Qt, but it's not going to happen soon
[13:59] <Sput> so it's kinda messy I guess
[13:59] <Sput> yeah, that would be preferable
[13:59] <Sput> we're currently using {Q|K}SystemTrayIcon
[14:00] <agateau> You could use {QSystemTrayIcon|KStatusNotifierItem} for now
[14:00] <Sput> that's completely orthogonal to the notification/libindicate stuff, right?
[14:00] <agateau> it's probably the safest thing to do
[14:00] <agateau> rgiht
[14:00] <agateau> right
[14:00] <Sput> ok
[14:00] <Sput> hmm, true
[14:00] <agateau> despite the confusing names on the gnome side :/
[14:01] <Sput> as stock gnome isn't supporting KDE's spec right now, it probably doesn't make too much sense for Quassel to support it in non-KDE builds
[14:01] <Sput> KStatusNotifierItem would only work in KDE 4.4+ though
[14:01] <agateau> indeed
[14:01] <Sput> we... so would the dbus spec
[14:01] <Sput> *well
[14:01] <agateau> you shouldn't get any regression
[14:01] <Sput> the class changed names between 4.3 and 4.4
[14:02] <Sput> so you couldn't build against 4.3
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: do you think we can talk to ted about the gnome library naming? GStatusNotifierItem would be so much better
[14:02] <agateau> Riddell: I don't think so
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: you think he's set on his overly generic name?
[14:02] <agateau> I already made them change from libcustomindicator to libappindicator
[14:03]  * Sput is glad that he encapsulated the systray stuff in Quassel, so it should be possible to support different backends without changing too much code
[14:03] <agateau> Riddell: not only him, but Jono, the design team, Mark...
[14:03] <Riddell> oh well.  I still don't see what's wrong with calling it a systray icon
[14:03] <agateau> Sput: smart move
[14:03] <agateau> Riddell: too geeky :)
[14:03] <Sput> Riddell: because it doesn't need to be shown in anything resembling a systray :)
[14:03] <agateau> Riddell: and GNOME never called this a systray
[14:04] <agateau> Riddell: on the gnome side it's called the "notification area"
[14:04] <Riddell> they just like to be difficult :)
[14:04] <agateau> :)
[14:05] <Sput> agateau: so there were some blog posts on p.g.o where they were talking about this new systray stuff, highlighting the cooperation with KDE - yet when I checked the code, it looks like they have their own, subtly different dbus interface now, is that true?
[14:05] <agateau> Sput: I am working with ted (the blog author) to get the differences out
[14:05] <Sput> Riddell: you just fail to understand why it is better for users! like with exchanging the order of OK/Cancel compared to any other DE outside!
[14:06] <Riddell> let's not be starting a flamewar :)
[14:06] <Sput> agateau: ah, so the goal is still to converge to the same interface, at some point
[14:07] <agateau> Sput: yes, "some point" hopefully being positioned before Lucid release
[14:07] <Sput> oh. that would be soon.
[14:07] <Sput> maybe I should go for using the dbus interface directly then
[14:07] <Sput> renaming that to a different namespace would be less trouble than whipping out yet another backend
[14:08] <agateau> Sput: I would suggest starting with KStatusNotifierItem for now, it's probably less work to do
[14:08] <agateau> and maybe at one point Qt will learn about this new system
[14:08] <ScottK> Maybe Canonical will contribute a Qt implementation?
[14:11] <agateau> ScottK: I'd love to
[14:11] <agateau> ScottK: but I'd wait until the dust has settled down
[14:11] <ScottK> Agreed.
[14:22] <Tonio_> hi there
[14:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have an idea if the support service sold by canonical is available in french or not ?
[14:23] <Tonio_> if not who may I ask over IRC for this ?
[14:23] <agateau> Tonio_: it is
[14:23] <agateau> Tonio_: support is based in Montréal so they may have an accent :)
[14:24] <Tonio_> agateau: well this question if for the quebec government :)
[14:24] <Tonio_> agateau: I work for a canadian company now :)
[14:24] <agateau> Tonio_: oh great then!
[14:24] <Tonio_> agateau: thanks for the quick response :)
[14:27] <agateau> Tonio_: you're welcome! so you sold Ubuntu (or even better Kubuntu?) to the quebec government?
[14:27] <Tonio_> agateau: in the work for now :)
[14:28] <Tonio_> agateau: a desktop project, and we are trying to push ubuntu, but we are not the ones to choose :)
[14:28] <Tonio_> agateau: just consulting atm
[14:29] <e-jat> is kde sc 4.4 rc2 on build?
[14:29] <agateau> Tonio_: great
[14:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, that's why it's in Montreal
[14:31] <Riddell> e-jat: testers needed
[14:32] <e-jat> its at kubuntu ppa beta ?
[14:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: well that's not obvious, Redhat for example only offers english
[14:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: but it's true they are in ontario :)
[14:34] <e-jat> Riddell: ?
[14:34] <Riddell> e-jat: karmic or lucid?
[14:34] <e-jat> Riddell: karmic
[14:35] <Riddell> e-jat: that source and put results at bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[14:37] <e-jat> Riddell: thanks .. will do ..
[14:39] <e-jat> Riddell: u mean the PPA Testing KDE 4.3.95 column ?
[14:40] <Riddell> yes
[14:40] <e-jat> ok ..
[15:51] <Riddell> miracle of miracles, today's i386 CD isn't oversized
[15:51] <Riddell> just that amd64 to whip into shape
[15:52] <ScottK> \o/
[15:52] <markey> Riddell: that Choqok upgrade is giving me trouble
[15:52] <markey> 100% CPU, 2008MB RAM (Virt) usage...
[15:53] <markey> it does weird things
[15:53] <markey> now it hangs entirely
[15:53] <Riddell> waa
[15:53]  * markey tries deleting config
[15:53] <markey> it has done this before, and somehow nuking the config often fixes that, I found
[15:53] <markey> let's see
[15:55] <Riddell> markey: wait, what upgrade?
[15:55] <markey> Riddell: there came one this morning, from backports or so
[15:56] <markey> hmm
[15:56] <markey> wait
[15:56] <markey> I got that from a PPA
[15:56] <markey> from neversfelde, I think
[15:56] <markey> I guess he upgraded it
[15:56] <markey> that makes sense
[15:56] <Riddell> yeah must be neversfelde's archive
[15:56] <markey> right, sorry for the confusion
[15:56] <Riddell> neversfelde never subscribed ubuntu-archive to bug 510244 so it hasn't been synced into the main archive yet
[15:57] <ScottK> This reminds me.
[15:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please do the backport in bug 488633.  It covers a security fix.
[15:57] <markey> ok, deleted the complete ~/.kde/share/apps/choqok
[15:58] <markey> one "backuprc" file in there had grown to 300Kb, or so
[15:58] <markey> fishy
[15:59] <Riddell> hum, maybe more testing needed before a sync
[15:59] <Riddell> grumble backport script can only do one distro release at a time grumble
[16:00] <markey> ok, nuking this folder seems to have helped
[16:00] <markey> all back to normal now
[16:00] <markey> :)
[16:00] <markey> other than that, Choqok is becoming really nice :)
[16:00] <markey> great app, I think
[16:02] <neversfelde> markey: this isn't an official update, only a snapshot package from latest trunk
[16:02] <markey> neversfelde: yep, sorry for confusion
[16:03] <markey> anyway, seems to work fine now
[16:03] <neversfelde> anyway, it is for testing, because I am still not sure, if it is a good idea to use it in 10.04
[16:03] <neversfelde> works fine for me, too
[16:03] <Riddell> neversfelde: but I should still do that sync request?
[16:07] <neversfelde> Riddell: I got less negative feedback so far, so the new version seems to be stable and nearly feature complete. I use it myself for a few days now and it is ok for me. The most important argument is, that upstream wants us to ship the new version,  so I will subscribe ubuntu-archive to the bug report later.
[16:11] <markey> neversfelde: I found that Choqok often has issues with handling upgrades correctly. but once you nuke these timeline cache foo files, it works fine again
[16:11] <markey> dunno if mtux knows about that
[16:12] <neversfelde> markey: I think he knows, at least I saw a user talking with him about it on identi.ca
[16:12] <markey> mtux is very busy these days, he's in the army I think
[16:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks on the backport.
[16:13] <neversfelde> yes and there isn't a good network connection in iran, seems that they block ssh ports there.
[16:14] <agateau> ScottK: I kind of remember you told me at UDS if I created a standalone version of the Ayatana notifications you could get them in Lucid,
[16:15] <ScottK> agateau: I said I would help you with it, yes.
[16:15] <agateau> ScottK: oh,
[16:15] <agateau> so time for me to learn packaging then
[16:15] <ScottK> agateau: A lot of new packages get proposed, but don't get reivewed.
[16:16] <ScottK> I can make sure it gets reviewed.
[16:16] <agateau> ScottK: ok
[16:16] <ScottK> There are also probably plenty of people here than can help you with the packaging.
[16:16] <agateau> I guess so :)
[16:17] <ScottK> I'm also glad to answer questions too.
[16:17] <agateau> ok thanks
[16:18] <agateau> I may give it a try this weekend
[16:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you going to give the Kubuntu update in the release team meeting?
[16:19] <Riddell> ScottK: I have some notes
[16:19] <Riddell> bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:20] <ScottK> OK
[16:31] <txwikinger> Is it only me, or are there still more issues between X and KDE than was in 3.5?
[16:42] <txwikinger> are the concoles that are acccessible via CTRL-ALT-F1-6 started by KDE or before in the boot process?
[16:46] <ScottK> The VTs are started before KDE.
[16:46] <Riddell> they're Linux
[16:46] <txwikinger> good. than it is not a KDE bug :)
[16:46] <txwikinger> then
[16:46] <Riddell> probably plymouth/KMS
[16:47] <txwikinger> I have none of them starting anymore
[16:49] <txwikinger> well. I just remember the gettys used to be started in inittab
[16:49] <txwikinger> now it should be upstart, I would think
[16:50] <ScottK> It has been since Edgy
[16:50] <txwikinger> wow.. I haven't poked around in this stuff for a long time
[16:51] <ScottK> Dapper was the last Ubuntu release to install inittab on a new install
[16:52] <txwikinger> cool.. I can start them simply with service
[17:03] <Riddell> splitting up network-manager-vpnc should let us get rid of a load of gnomeism on the CD
[17:04] <Riddell> I've got rid of gcc and linux-headers
[17:04] <Riddell> and openoffice.org-impress on amd64 just for good luck (Ubuntu doesn't ship it although I'd prefer to keep it if we can find space later)
[17:05] <Riddell> hmm, I think plasma-widget-lancelot should be a suggests and not a recommends, we don't need that on the CD
[17:05] <ScottK> Agreed.
[17:06] <Riddell> changed in bzr
[17:28] <dhillon-v10> hi all, when packaging an upstream product that has revision history, what happens to the history do I just delete it or make a .orig tarball from all of that and then delete it in the folder that is going to have debian folder in it
[17:53] <ejat> Riddell: i've updated https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[17:53] <ejat> kinda having some timeout with the ppa
[19:02] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: ping regarding docs.
[19:07] <nixternal> yo
[19:08] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: yo
[19:10]  * nixternal wonders if he should document the gnome counterparts for both networking and printing
[19:21] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: oh hey, there's a doc. written for samba file sharing that we need in kubuntu in ubuntu-docs, I submitted some patches to it so I was wondering if we could use that docs. making some minor edits and importing the whole thing over at kubuntu, I looked at it and seems like it would work :)
[19:21] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: and btw irssi rocks :)
[19:33] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: what doc is this?
[19:40] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: ubuntu-docs/serverguide/C/windows-networking.xml
[19:43] <nixternal> everything in there is related to server functions...I don't mind linking to help.ubuntu.com for it, but pulling it in and having to remember to watch it in lp:ubuntu-docs is a pita
[19:43] <nixternal> especially since bzr doesn't do externals
[19:47] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: alright so should I write the doc for file sharing from scratch, that's the only thing I wanted to copy over
[19:48] <nixternal> I am going to cover it in the network topic
[19:48] <nixternal> work on the docs in the todo list, there is less than a week before I close them off and take everyone's documents that aren't complete
[19:49] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: oh wait, you are doing the sharing topic, yeah, do that
[19:49] <nixternal> incorporate what you need in the sharing document
[19:50] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: alright :)
[19:50] <nixternal> forgot we had a sharing topic :)
[19:51] <daskreech> is there a fix for the choqok Qt Pixmap crash?
[19:51] <nixternal> just finished the communications topic, well except for IRC, because I am not going to waste my time documenting an IRC client just for it to be changed in a month
[19:56] <jjesse> nixternal: don't worry once you document it they will change it back
[19:56] <jjesse> i picked up config last night didn't i?
[19:57] <nixternal> yes
[19:58] <nixternal> are there "restricted drivers" for ethernet cards or do they all just work?
[19:58]  * nixternal notes the network topics sucks to write
[19:58] <ScottK> There are ones that don't work, but AFAIK we don't provide drivers.  They are rare.
[19:58] <jjesse> so should i be paying attention to this whole mallard discussion on ubuntu-docs list?
[19:59] <nixternal> jjesse: not really
[20:04] <nixternal> hey, network mangler doesn't do static right? you have to close nm and then set it up via /etc/network/interfaces right?
[20:04] <jjesse> nixternal: thanks i will continue to ignore
[20:04] <nixternal> or has that all since changed?
[20:04] <nixternal> haven't used static in ages
[20:05] <ScottK> nixternal: No.  Works fine.
[20:05] <nixternal> oh rock on, thanks
[20:05] <ScottK> nixternal: Wait.
[20:05] <ScottK> I was thinking of something else.
[20:06] <ScottK> I have some computers with static DHCP (dhcp always gives them the same IP).  I got confused.
[20:06] <nixternal> lol
[20:06] <ScottK> That's still dhcp as far as the client is concerned
[20:06] <nixternal> right, my router does that, so everything is config'd via dhcp anyways
[20:09] <ScottK> tomplast: You there?
[20:09] <tomplast> Yup
[20:09] <ScottK> tomplast: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess is where you start.
[20:09] <tomplast> ^^
[20:10] <tomplast> ty
[20:10] <tomplast> Do I need to be a Kubuntu member to be able to go through with this?
[20:17] <neversfelde> is this http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi/Svn_get-orig-source up to date? Do I need to create a get-orig-source rule, when packaging from SVN or git repository?
[20:20] <ScottK> tomplast: No.
[20:20] <ScottK> tomplast: You need to gather the information asked for in the wiki page and then ask me for a review when you've got it.
[20:21] <Quintasan> \o
[20:22] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan: hi there :)
[20:24] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: sup, any problems with phonon-backends? or you did not get to it yet?
[20:25] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan: started, but have a question: what happens to all the revision history ?? should that go into the .orig tarball and deleted from the working directory
[20:26] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: do you mean .svn directory?
[20:26] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: I remove it and I belive it is correct to do so
[20:27] <Quintasan> find . -name .svn -exec rm -rf {} \;
[20:27] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: ^^
[20:27] <Quintasan> automagicall way to do it :P
[20:27] <ryanakca_> neversfelde: No clue, but morph_ (Sandro Tosi) is around in #debian-python on OFTC if you want to ask him
[20:28] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: in SVN each directory contains .svn and it's a bit tedious to remove em by hand :P
[20:29] <neversfelde> ryanakca_: thanks, I will probably ask him.
[20:30] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan: yeah I did for some directories and was wondering if that's the right thing so thanks again
[20:31] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: no probs, waiting to see your packages :P
[20:32] <Lex79> is there a new upstream release of phonon-backends?
[20:32] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: it was never packaged :) AFAIK
[20:32] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: atleast not for karmic, I saw that on the wiki page
[20:32] <tomplast> ScottK: So I will just gather the information and not file a MIR bug before you reviews it, right?
[20:33] <Lex79> dhillon-v10: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backends
[20:33] <Lex79> dhillon-v10: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages?field.name_filter=phonon-backends&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[20:33] <ScottK> tomplast: You can file it.  Just don't subscribe the ubuntu-mir team.  Let me review it and do that once it's ready.
[20:34] <Lex79> Riddell: I'm packaging the new upstream release of qscintilla2
[20:34] <tomplast> ScottK: Sure, will do a thorough job :). Today or tomorrow I will be finished. I'll send you a note when completed.
[20:36] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: thanks for the link, but it says here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging that hasn't been packaged so what should I do ??
[20:38] <Lex79> that it means there is no a new upstream release...so you/we should do nothing for the moment
[20:40] <ScottK> tomplast: Just ping me here.  I'm usually around.
[20:40] <tomplast> ScottK: Sure, will do.
[20:40] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: so is there anything left that hasn't been packaged for kubuntu
[20:44] <Lex79> dhillon-v10:  for example , you can watch on kde-apps if we need a new upstream release of our packages
[20:44] <Lex79> or in kde-look
[20:45] <Lex79> about packages in Universe I meant
[20:45] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: alright thanks :)
[20:46] <Lex79> np
[21:05] <sistpoty> Hi
[21:05] <daskreech> hi
[21:05] <sistpoty> does anyone have a clue if that patch is still required? http://paste.ubuntu.com/360873/
[21:06] <sistpoty> (updating k9copy to new upstream version)
[21:06] <sistpoty> (it builds fine, but I have no kde around to test phonon backends)
[21:08] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: should I include samba-share-security as a topic in file-sharing ?
[21:17] <Lex79> sistpoty: you can drop that patch, I can test your package if your want
[21:17] <Lex79> s/your/you
[21:31] <sistpoty> Lex79: that would be excellent... amd64?
[21:31] <Lex79> yep
[21:31]  * ScottK likes how the freenode ops PM everyone about spam and don't click on the links with a link for details.
[21:32] <Lex79> ahahah :)
[21:32] <neversfelde> :)
[21:33] <txwikinger> ScottK: Don't click it!
[21:35] <sistpoty> Lex79: http://spooky.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~sistpoty/k9copy/
[21:35] <sistpoty> (sources will follow soonish in this folder
[21:35] <sistpoty> +)
[21:36] <txwikinger> Lex79: Don't click the link ;)
[21:36] <Lex79> ok
[21:37] <sistpoty> haha
[21:37] <Lex79> nope :)
[21:39] <sistpoty> sources there as well... if you dare to click :P
[21:42] <Lex79> ok
[21:42] <Lex79> :)
[21:43] <Lex79> neversfelde: well, we have finished with 4.3.5 :)
[21:43] <neversfelde> Lex79: yes :), I will upload the missing packages in a few minutes
[21:43] <Lex79> good
[21:44] <neversfelde> how about  kde-l10n ?
[21:45] <Lex79> dunno
[21:46] <neversfelde> I have never done anything with it, so I have no idea how to create these packages.
[21:46] <ScottK> Riddell has a script.
[21:46] <neversfelde> ok
[21:47] <nixternal> Riddell: +R this channel or anyone with ops
[21:47] <nixternal> freenode is getting attacked yet once again
[21:47] <Lex79> neversfelde: btw I think it's not need to upload l10n to staging since 4.3.5 will go to karmic-backports
[21:48] <neversfelde> yes, forgot about this
[21:49] <sistpoty> Lex79: sorry, got to go to bed right now... if you've find regressions with k9copy, please mail me (sistpoty@ubuntu.com), otherwise I'll just upload it once I wake up tomorrow
[21:49] <sistpoty> gn8
[21:49] <Lex79> sistpoty: ok, it seems work btw
[21:50] <sistpoty> Lex79: cool, thanks!
[21:50] <Lex79> no problem
[21:50] <sistpoty> Lex79: so I can upload it right now?
[21:50] <Lex79> yeah, upload please :)
[21:50] <sistpoty> Lex79: ok, thanks again!
[21:50] <Lex79> sistpoty: good night :)
[22:11] <markey> neversfelde: Choqok is still acting weird here (eating CPU, etc)
[22:11] <markey> got similar issues?
[22:12] <neversfelde> markey: no, everything is fine here and I did not herad of similiar problems, too
[22:13] <markey> ok, then I guess I'll simply have to remove the whole of the config files
[22:13] <daskreech> Choqok won't start for me
[22:13] <daskreech> Some Qt pixmap bug
[22:13] <markey> daskreech: ah well, Qt 4.6.0?
[22:14] <markey> that's a known bug then
[22:14] <markey> and very nasty
[22:14] <daskreech> Ah so I need a new Qt?
[22:14] <markey> many apps are getting a taste of that
[22:14] <markey> yes
[22:14] <markey> 4.6.0 is a disaster
[22:14] <daskreech> hmm wonder which I have
[22:14] <markey> use 4.6.1 (or 4.5)
[22:15] <daskreech> Yep 4.6.0
[22:16] <Riddell> evening
[22:16] <daskreech> hi Riddell
[23:55] <daskreech> Nepomuksearches pretend they work now
[23:55] <daskreech>  Progress!
[23:55] <daskreech> And I have a search bar again :)