[22:17] <Takyoji> Anyone have the stance on the recent continuing implementation of HTML5-based video players, but with H.264 as the format, and Firefox being the one denying to implement a H.264 codec?
[22:17] <Takyoji> Mozilla*
[22:18] <_diablo> Wait, really? I thought Apple was the one that was preventing that?
[22:18] <_diablo> Do you have a link?
[22:19] <Takyoji> Apple and Google are the ones supposedly opposing the implementation of Ogg Theora
[22:19] <Takyoji> Mozilla is opposing to implementing H.264
[22:20] <Takyoji> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/bumps-ahead-as-vimeo-youtube-respond-to-html5-video-demand.ars
[22:20] <_diablo> ohhh, what is that?
[22:20]  * _diablo reads that
[22:21] <Takyoji> So now it's Daily Motion and Vimeo with a HTML5-based viewer, next it'll hopefully be YouTube as well soon
[22:21] <kaimerra> YouTube has theirs in beta
[22:21] <_diablo> I'm already using Youtube's one
[22:21] <_diablo> yeah
[22:21] <kaimerra> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[22:22] <Takyoji> I've seen it
[22:22] <Takyoji> The reason why Firefox isn't "supported" is because Firefox doesn't have a H.264 implementation supposedly.
[22:23] <Takyoji> Ahh; so they've changed it now then
[22:23] <Takyoji> That used to just be a single demo page originally
[22:27] <_diablo> yup
[22:29] <Takyoji> And Google Chrome itself on Linux isn't working with the HTML5 player apparently. :P
[22:29] <_diablo> true
[22:29] <_diablo> it sucks
[22:29] <_diablo> same with chromium actually
[22:30] <Takyoji> I have version 4
[22:31] <_diablo> Version    : 4.0.285.0
[22:31] <_diablo> alright, I have a clear opinion now
[22:31] <_diablo> Go Mozilla!
[22:32] <_diablo> What is the point of a standard if you have to pay for it?
[22:32] <_diablo> It will kill firefox.
[22:32] <Takyoji> Isn't Google supposedly buying out the owner of H.264 though?
[22:32] <Takyoji> On2 Technologies
[22:32] <_diablo> Maybe, but that still means that it's proprietary.
[22:32] <_diablo> Do you really trust Google on this?
[22:35] <Takyoji> If the open it up, then it wouldn't be proprietary anymore I believe.
[22:35] <_diablo> "if they open it up"
[22:35] <Takyoji> (along with the patents surrounding it)
[22:35] <_diablo> agreed. But I'd rather have assurances going in.
[22:35] <_diablo> Which h.264 doesn't provide
[22:38] <_diablo> I don't know, I know I'm paranoid, but I really don't want web standards to burn open source
[22:41] <Takyoji> I know, I'd love it to be Ogg Theora as well
[22:41] <_diablo> It has to be. Ogg has just been getting better and better too
[23:15] <_diablo_active> Ah, nice. This should be able to ping me whenever anyone makes a message. This will make question answering much faster.