[01:51] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:51] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:51] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:51] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:51] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <wfsqaebmfnrx> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <wfsqaebmfnrx> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <wfsqaebmfnrx> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <wfsqaebmfnrx> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <wfsqaebmfnrx> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:52] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:53] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:54] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:54] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:54] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:54] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:54] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:54] <ycpiqopmadcp> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:56] <Riddell> umm
[01:57] <Riddell> oh dear
[01:58] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: a lo of spam stuff
[01:59] <dhillon-v10> *lot
[02:00] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: is it possible to have only people registered to freenode here so no spam on the channel
[02:01] <Riddell> dunno but it's not something we'll do for one incident
[02:01] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: i have seen similar messages on a *lot* of different channels today so just wondering :)
[02:02] <tsimpson> Riddell: if it continues, setting mode +R will block messages from unregistered users, and +r will stop them from joining
[02:03] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: Riddell: I just noticed, you have a kde cloak
[02:03] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: nice :)
[02:03] <Riddell> all the rage amongst KDE developers
[02:05] <Riddell> karmic testers for RC 2 needed
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:12] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:13] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:14] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:14] <oewqvewbyc> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:17] <jjesse> wow
[02:17] <jjesse> so new version of kde tonight?
[02:18] <neversfelde> uh, we need +R or +r
[02:19] <Riddell> if only we had an IRC council to sort it out
[02:19] <jjesse> hahaha
[02:19] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: I triage almost all the kde-website bugs upstream yay!! :) only like 5 need to be worked upon
[02:20] <Riddell> ooh nice
[02:21] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: yup, next on is kde-docs like 45 need to be worked on lol
[02:22] <jjesse> Riddell: did a new version of kde land in the ppa?
[02:23] <Riddell> jjesse: yes in the beta PPA
[02:23] <Riddell> oh and in staging for 4.3.5
[02:24] <Riddell> please do test either or both
[02:24] <jjesse> ok testing beta ppa updating right now
[02:25] <jjesse> Riddell:  you up early or late?
[02:25] <Riddell> late, it's the weekend, I go wild on weekends
[02:25] <jjesse> watch out, Riddell is wild on #kubuntu-devel :) :) :)
[02:25] <maco> not up *that* late
[02:25] <maco> its only a half hour past your usual bedtime
[02:28] <jjesse> watch out someone keeps track :)
[02:31]  * maco hides the aerial photos of Riddell's flat
[02:31] <maco> um what? keeps track of what whom?
[02:32] <Riddell> hmm, I knew I shouldn't have been sunbathing topless up there while google were mapping the city
[02:33] <maco> kiltless too!
[02:34]  * jjesse screams
[02:34] <nixternal> do we have a wiki page that explains bug reporting in Kubuntu?
[02:34] <maco> jjesse: i know.... Riddell without his kilt...scary sight, right?
[02:34] <nixternal> my guess would be we don't want people filing bugs in LP, but would rather them file bugs in b.k.o?
[02:35] <maco> nixternal: aye
[02:35] <maco> drkonqi should be somewhereabouts
[02:35] <maco> unless they're sure its a kubuntu bug...like a packaging bug...then lp is ok
[02:35] <nixternal> well yeah, I know that...but I was just wondering if we were making that a policy
[02:35] <nixternal> if you use Kubuntu and find a bug, report it at KDE and not here in LP?
[02:35] <Riddell> that's out current advice yes (unless you suspect it of being a Kubuntu specific issue)
[02:35] <jjesse> maco: totally scary
[02:36] <nixternal> what happens when a new user, who is unfamiliar with all of this, goes to KDE, does that, and the bug gets closed because it is our fault?
[02:36] <maco> "oops"
[02:36] <nixternal> is KDE going to explain the process of filing bugs in LP?
[02:37] <nixternal> FYI: We do have a wiki, wiki.kubuntu.org if people forgot, as it would be nice to start documenting some of this stuff...mailing list hits on it, but does a horrible job of really giving just cause for such a decision
[02:37] <Riddell> they'll say "file a bug with your distro"
[02:38] <jjesse> nixternal: +1
[02:38] <nixternal> well, there are a bunch being closed as INVALID and upstream not saying "File this with so-and-so"
[02:39] <nixternal> I shouldn't say a bunch like thousands, but there have been at least a dozen or so instances I have come across
[02:39] <Riddell> well should say why it's being closed
[02:39] <nixternal> most cases it does, but if I tell my brother to file a bug report in Kubuntu, he is screwed
[02:39] <nixternal> can't use the "File a bug report" system documentation, as it tells you how to file a bug in kde
[02:40] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: a little off-topic check this out: http://www.firelily.com/humor/quoted/chicken.html
[02:47] <jjesse> nixternal: wow you are getting beat up on identi.ca/twitter
[02:47] <jjesse> silly missed date
[03:11] <jjesse_> Riddell: restarted everything seems to be working now
[03:12] <Riddell> jjesse_: excellent, thanks
[03:12] <jjesse_> msg nickserv ghost jjesse founders01
[03:12] <jjesse_> doh
[03:13] <baddog> doh indeed
[03:14] <jjesse> oh well time to change that password anyways
[03:15] <nixternal> if only freenode got with the times 10 years ago and could use ssl certs like every other irc server
[03:15] <nixternal> oh, but sasl is coming, and if your client doesn't support, you are sol, not ssl :p
[03:15] <Riddell> hmm, ssh jjesse@ppp-69-214-3-142.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net
[03:16] <baddog> lol
[03:16] <maco> he actually did just try it too
[03:16] <jjesse> Riddell: haha
[03:16] <maco> bad jonathan, no cracking your friends!
[03:17] <jjesse> i've done that once before as well
[03:17] <maco> jjesse: cracked your friend?
[03:17] <jjesse> maco: no typed a password in the wrong place
[03:18] <jjesse> not a major password or anything
[03:19] <nixternal> I did that at uni using a livecd...filed the bug too...i had konsole open, one tab was irc, the other tab I was doing ssh...whatever I typed in the other non-IRC tab echoed in the IRC tab, in #ubuntu-motu at that
[03:19] <maco> WOW!
[03:19] <nixternal> go back to the logs in the late part of 2005 or the early part of 2006, and you can see the password I used for 15 years :)
[03:20] <jjesse> haha
[03:21] <jjesse> ok i have no idea why i'm sitting here going to bed
[03:22] <nixternal> g'nite
[03:23] <nixternal> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/10/12/%23ubuntu-motu.html
[03:23] <nixternal> maco: ^^
[03:23] <nixternal> scroll down just a little and you will see it
[03:26] <maco> nixternal: was the guess about victoria lauren johnson being your wife's name correct?
[03:26] <nixternal> no, my daughter
[03:27] <maco> you have offspring?
[03:27] <nixternal> using my x-wifes name would have been equivalent to having a virus
[03:27] <nixternal> I have a 13.5 yo daughter
[03:27] <maco> does she use kubuntu?
[03:27] <nixternal> no, she doesn't like kde
[03:27] <maco> so she's a gnomie?
[03:28] <nixternal> she was using edubuntu, now she uses fedora I think, only cuz her mom works with red hat daily
[03:28] <nixternal> yeah, a gnometard
[03:28] <verbalshadow> nixternal: just be thankful she not on the windows side of the fence :D
[03:28] <nixternal> she started on computers in 1999 with slackware and kde though, so at least I started her young
[03:29] <nixternal> verbalshadow: no windows, she hates it, and makes fun of the kids who use it...she is becoming a mac fan though
[03:30] <verbalshadow> can't blame her there, ~pretty~ *shiny* hardware, and the software is mostly good user wise
[03:32] <nixternal> right, I just hate the OS X...I haven't been a fan of it...then again I only used it for a little bit, just long enough to realize it sucks and debian works on a ppc
[03:32] <nixternal> tried 10.5 or whatever the new stuff is for a few weeks, it drove me up a wall
[03:32] <verbalshadow> what was it the drove you crazy?
[03:32] <maco> thank you! someone else who can't stand OSX!
[03:33] <maco> you can only resize windows from one corner, then keep scooting them over til you can reach the corner again... there's not a decent menu for accessing apps (throw them all into /Applications? really? no hierarchy at all???)...
[03:33] <verbalshadow> i have use MAC system 9 for design years ago, but have not use OSX that much
[03:34] <maco> when you have a bunch of docs on the dock so they can be reached without digging through finder like mad, they all show the same icon, no hint of which is which
[03:34] <maco> X11 on OSX is incredibly annoying. try to have GIMP and Inkscape in it at once. you can't hide (apple+h) gimp OR inkscape but rather, both or neither (since it hides all of X11)
[03:35] <nixternal> one thing I hate, red circle means close, not quit
[03:35] <verbalshadow> maco: yuck we (inkscape) are working on a native version
[03:36] <maco> when i used a stacking wm, i found the lack of shade annoying. now as a tiling wm user... i find the lack of tiling annoying
[03:36] <nixternal> so for a while I thought I was quitting apps, only to find out after the system resources were gone, that they were all still open, just the main window was closed
[03:37] <maco> i was a gnome user back when i had to use osx at work. the one thing i liked was how Address Book, iCal, and Mail were all indepent apps with a shared backend db so they integrated nicely but were never forced to use *all* of them
[03:37] <maco> Evolution was what i was used to on linux at the time, and with that you have to setup a mail account in it even if all you want to use is the calendar
[03:37] <nixternal> kind of like kmail, kcal, kabc, kjots, kjournal, and such
[03:37] <maco> but then i learned that KMail, KAddressBook, and KOrganizer are all nicely separate but integrated :)
[03:38] <nixternal> you know, evolution sucks, unless you use exchange server
[03:38] <nixternal> and another thing too, in Intrepid and Jaunty, Evolution ran better on Kubuntu than it did in Ubuntu
[03:38] <maco> ha
[03:38] <nixternal> people were always bitching that it would crash and didn't work on their Ubuntu systems, but was flawless for me on Kubuntu
[03:38] <verbalshadow> i have a MS Live Outlook Light account from my school .....grrrrrrrrrrr
[03:39] <nixternal> I think Microsoft has more mail clients than Linux does
[03:39] <nixternal> Outlook, Outlook Express which is now MSN Mail or some shit, MS Live Outlook (regular and light)...
[03:39] <verbalshadow> i love love kontact ( and pieces)
[03:40] <nixternal> I was just looking at it on wikipedia, they have at least 4
[03:40] <nixternal> I love Mutt
[03:41] <verbalshadow> never used it, how about pine (delete, expunge )
[03:41] <nixternal> I used to use Pine in like 1994
[03:42] <nixternal> then the Debian peeps showed me the true free software ways and forced me to use mutt
[03:42] <verbalshadow> 1995 myself
[03:42] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: kmail is pretty nice :)
[03:43] <nixternal> for pop3 maybe and if you have less than a few million email messages
[03:43] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: yeah that's right :) it crashes on mail filtering
[03:43] <nixternal> even if it doesn't have filters it crashes or is way to slow
[03:44] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: is mutt really that good ?
[03:45] <maco> dimap works fine
[03:45] <nixternal> it sucks less than every other client
[03:45] <maco> but yeah, normal imap fails
[03:45] <maco> (on kmail)
[03:45] <nixternal> maco: not if you have a shitload of email it doesn't
[03:45] <nixternal> dimap + kmail + gmail == the lose
[03:45] <maco> works fine for me...
[03:46] <maco> i have >30,000 emails in my GMail/All Mail/
[03:46] <verbalshadow> dimap??
[03:46] <maco> disconnected imap
[03:46] <maco> evo calls it offline imap
[03:46] <nixternal> gmail all mail says 2,164,513
[03:46] <maco> WOW
[03:46] <maco> see, i clean stuff out every 6mo or so....
[03:47] <nixternal> shoot, I clean stuff out daily
[03:47] <nixternal> a lot of those are archived, but still available...a lot of good info on mailing lists that are still relevant 10 years later :)
[03:47] <nixternal> then I have my personal email which only has a few thousand
[03:47] <claydoh> I can't imagine having more than a few dozen saved emails, but then again I am old
[03:48] <nixternal> lol
[03:48] <maco> i clean out mailing list stuff every 6mo on the basis that it's archived on the internet somewhere
[03:50] <claydoh> ditto here, though I have managed to send almost 5000 emails
[03:50] <claydoh> I don't believe that number
[03:52] <claydoh> not even  over 12 years of being online lol
[03:52] <dhillon-v10> I just noticed, did thunderbird just gain more awesomeness ?
[03:52] <dhillon-v10> thunderbird 3 looks pretty cool
[03:54] <claydoh> tbird 3 looks nice nowadays, I use the portableapps version at work
[04:02]  * ScottK hasn't looked, but is reasonably sure awesomeness and Thunderbird are not closely associated.
[04:04] <dhillon-v10> ScottK: :)
[04:16] <claydoh> being nicer than 2.0 doesn't make it better than kmail for me, but 3.0's email account setup tool is pretty cool
[04:18] <claydoh> you put in your email address and it somehow figures out the server settings for you
[04:19] <dhillon-v10> claydoh: yup and also the lightning extension looks pretty cool, you can open google wave in a new tab
[04:20] <claydoh> wave? thats too new-fangled for this old fart :) never did try to get an invite
[04:21] <verbalshadow> claydoh: do you want one i have some still
[04:23] <verbalshadow> the thing i dislike about wave is the need to have a browser open to use it at all times, I think basket would be perfect to intergrate with
[04:23] <claydoh> is it actually useful for anything?
[04:25] <dhillon-v10> claydoh: I have some invites wanna check it out :)
[04:25] <claydoh> sure ill take some :)
[04:26] <dhillon-v10> can you pm your email?
[04:28] <verbalshadow> @gmail.com this username
[04:29] <dhillon-v10> claydoh: done :)
[04:29] <dhillon-v10> verbalshadow: just a sec.
[04:29] <verbalshadow> claydoh: it is ok for collabration/group brainstorming
[04:29] <verbalshadow> dhillon-v10: i have one
[04:29] <dhillon-v10> verbalshadow: oh okay :)
[04:30] <claydoh> verbalshadow: dhillon-v10 cool and thanks
[04:31] <verbalshadow> basket with a whiteboard would work better than wave IMO
[04:32] <ScottK> Does wave have a whiteboard?
[04:32] <verbalshadow> no, not that i know of
[04:32] <ScottK> OK.
[04:33]  * ScottK is looking for a good (preferably free) distributed white board tool
[04:34] <verbalshadow> i meant if basket had the ability to for users to join a session( like over xmpp) it would knock the pants off of wave
[04:34] <verbalshadow> and it would intergrate in to a tool i already use kontact
[04:35] <dhillon-v10> ScottK: its actually pretty awesome because you can use real time chatting, so like you would know whay I am typing and you don't have to wait until I press enter :)
[04:36] <verbalshadow> ScottK: if you had sometime you could help fix our whiteboard code in inkscape :P
[04:36] <ScottK> verbalshadow: Not if it's not written in Python I couldn't.
[04:37] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: That's not hitting the awesome button for me.  Sorry.
[04:37] <verbalshadow> ScottK: the new stuff uses dbus for xmpp connections
[04:38] <verbalshadow> dhillon-v10: i dislike the real time chat part
[04:38] <verbalshadow> i suck at typing :P
[04:41] <verbalshadow> reboot bbs
[04:42] <dhillon-v10> gotta go, bye guys :)
[05:38] <ejat> anyone know the choqok alpha2 ppa ?
[05:40] <ScottK> IIRC neversfelde's
[05:44] <ejat> ScottK: thanks
[05:45] <ScottK> Does plasma-desktop autostart OK now?  I only have a netbook Lucid system.  plasma-netbook is not.
[05:56] <verbalshadow> ScottK: seems to, i tried yesterday livecd
[05:58] <verbalshadow> though on my laptop with an ati gfx card i get a black screen after logging into KDM and splash
[05:58] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[06:05] <vorian> ScottK: I just get a black screen... Is that known?
[06:06] <vorian> everything is up-to-date
[06:06] <ScottK> I've heard reports of it.
[06:06] <ScottK> I haven't had it.
[06:06] <ScottK> I don't know the details.
[06:06] <vorian> meh
[06:06] <vorian> i'll dig a bit more
[07:08] <Zorael> Hmhmm, rc2 in the ppa but not yet on kde.org? Nice. :3
[07:11] <verbalshadow> ScottK: if you need help sorting the black screen thing i have a computer that seems to do it all the time
[07:12] <verbalshadow> but it will have to +8 hrs or so from now need sleep
[07:12] <ScottK> Currently I'm being confounded by the lack of autostart with plasma-netbook.
[07:13] <verbalshadow> ok just let me know
[07:43] <ScottK> sebas: I'm a bit stuck on how to get plasma-netbook to autorun on the first run.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[08:45] <jussi01> you know, pressing "details" while kpackage kit is downloading is just _so_ useful.... not....
[12:18] <Quintasan|Szel> dont we have some sort of sesion today?
[12:18] <Quintasan|Szel> brb
[12:40] <shadeslayer> hi i wanted to know what ML should i post questions to about ksysv
[12:40] <shadeslayer> any ideas?
[12:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's no mailing list for kdeadmin, so kde-devel is the place but since there's no maintainer for the app I doubt anyone will answer
[12:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i suspected,i couldnt find any info on kde-apps or via google....
[12:55] <shadeslayer> guess ill have to leave that field empty
[13:00] <markey> neversfelde: something is wrong with that Choqok version... still very laggy
[13:00] <apachelogger> oh jr already switched speedcrunch with kcalc \o/
[13:00] <markey> neversfelde: I've removed its complete config, everything, but still...
[13:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should make dragonplayer a recommends, people might indeed want to use vlc and remove dragon
[13:01] <apachelogger> at least one dude I know wants to ;)
[13:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: go ahead
[13:02] <apachelogger> k
[13:05] <Quintasan> hello
[13:08] <Riddell> hi Quintasan, I think I found where qt sets the default input method
[13:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm listening :)
[13:10] <Riddell> it's a few places but grep for DefaultInputMethod in the code
[13:10] <Quintasan> urgh, need to download it first
[13:36]  * ryanakca_ sighs. Two exams down, two to go :)
[13:40] <markey> neversfelde: Choqok is eating my CPU, have to quit it. is there a way to downgrade or upgrade it or something?
[13:40] <markey> this snapshot is buggy as hell
[13:40] <markey> RAM too
[13:40] <neversfelde> markey: I can create a newer snapshot, but I doubt that it helps
[13:41] <markey> yeah
[13:41] <markey> unlikely that they fixed it in between
[13:41] <markey> hm
[13:41]  * Sput notes that choqok has at least stopped crashing for him since a recent rebuild
[13:41] <neversfelde> if you want to downgrade deactivate my ppa in the sources.list, remove choqok with purge, remove the config in your ~, do a sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update and install choqok again
[13:42] <markey> using 1235MB RAM (Virt) now
[13:42] <markey> and rising
[13:42] <markey> ok, thanks
[13:42] <neversfelde> markey: I'll upload a newer snapshot in a few minutes
[13:42] <neversfelde> let's see if it helps
[13:42] <markey> ok, cheers
[13:43] <markey> it also creates a huge number of HTTP KIO slaves
[13:43] <markey> mark     32201  0.0  0.2 226404  9456 ?        S    14:40   0:00 kdeinit4: kio_http [kdeinit] http local:/tmp/ksocket-mark/klauncherMT1870.slave-socket local:/tmp/ksocket-mark/choqokb20376.slave-socket
[13:43] <markey> 100 or so
[13:53] <neversfelde> markey: uploaded, unfortunately build starts in 21 hours :(. I can send you the deb, if you want?
[13:53] <markey> that would be nice :)
[13:53] <neversfelde> karmic?
[13:53] <markey> yes
[13:53] <markey> brb
[13:56] <Riddell> sigh, kde4libs can't compile because libcups2-dev doesn't install
[14:00] <apachelogger> meh
[14:01]  * Riddell retries
[14:01] <Riddell> Lex79: is qt 4.6.1 ready to upload?
[14:08] <Lex79> Riddell: no, I'm waiting sandsmark's patch, I refreshed the patch but it's ftbs. We need an updated patch for Phonon
[14:10] <Riddell> oh I see
[14:11] <neversfelde> markey: send, it is i386, so I hope you are not on amd64 ;)
[14:11] <Lex79> it's a trouble waiting one person every time we should update Qt
[14:12] <markey> neversfelde: heh sorry, I really on amd64
[14:12] <markey> really am*
[14:13] <Lex79> Riddell: read #kde-devel, progress
[14:13] <Lex79> maybe for tonight is ready, maybe....
[14:13] <neversfelde> markey: I have only i386 here, sorry
[14:14] <markey> neversfelde: no problem, then I'll do the downgrade, or I'll build it myself
[14:14] <neversfelde> k
[14:14] <markey> unfortunately, they still use SVN *shudder*
[14:14] <markey> but mtux wants to migrate
[14:45] <Lex79> Riddell: btw last night I dowloaded l10n tarballs for 4.3.95, I wrong lol I wanted l10n tarballs for kde 4.3.5, but they are still not available ;)
[14:46] <Nightrose> http://community.kde.org/Scratchpad/www-rework/ <- help needed :)
[14:46] <Nightrose> easy task - if you have questions ping me
[14:49] <Riddell> Lex79: oh aye, there's nothing there
[14:49] <Lex79> nope
[14:50] <Riddell> pinged dirk
[14:56] <Riddell> Lex79: he's regenerating them
[14:57] <Lex79> ok
[15:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: did you upload gluon?
[15:34] <Riddell> Quintasan: no, should I have?
[15:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't think so, I think I will have ready packages after upstream does refactoring of CMakeFiles
[15:36] <Quintasan> then I will upload gluon, blok and some other apps(hopefully)
[16:08] <Quintasan> Lex79: smooth transition to 4.3.95, thanks! :)
[16:08] <Lex79> ;)
[16:08] <Quintasan> BTW, how is Qt 4.6.1?
[16:09] <Lex79> read the backlog ^^^
[16:09] <Lex79> :)
[16:11] <Quintasan> uh oh, I think it's not a good idea to poke him with a stick to go faster? ;P
[16:16] <zegenie> does anybody know if kdevelop-php will be included in lucid?
[16:20] <ryanakca> Aye, 4.3.95 went smoothly here too, I haven't spotted any problems either. Thanks :)
[17:56] <neversfelde> Quintasan: what happens in dolphin, when the kffmpethumbnailer is installed, but no video codec?
[18:13] <Quintasan> neversfelde: beats me, Ofir claims it freezes but I wonder what type of video he has there, so far it created all thumbnails without fail for me
[18:13] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I belive it will be restricted by ffmpegthumbnailer library
[18:14] <neversfelde> Quintasan: if this really should go to main, we should test it with an installation without codecs installed, wouldn't be nice, if it freezes every default installation
[18:15] <neversfelde> and it makes dolphin a bit slower, at least for me
[18:15] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I've installed this on my pure KVM machine, no problems with h264 and ogv videos
[18:15] <Quintasan> neversfelde: 4.3.95?
[18:15] <neversfelde> Quintasan: 90
[18:15] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I belive the slowness is caused by Qt
[18:15] <neversfelde> I tested it a few hours ago
[18:15] <Quintasan> it makes some apps eat more memory and CPU somehow
[18:16] <Quintasan> Lex79 is waiting for a patch for 4.6.1 which (probably) fixes performance issues so I belive it would a good idea to test it then
[18:17] <neversfelde> well, I think dolphin isn't the fastest app even without it, wouldn't be nice to make it slower. I'll do another test, once 4.6.1 is out.
[18:19] <Lex79> kffmpethumbnailer makes dolphin faster than with mplayerthumbs in my case
[18:20] <neversfelde> Lex79: is mplayerthumbs installed in a default installation?
[18:20] <Lex79> no
[18:21] <Lex79> it's in Universe and depends on mplayer which is in restricted
[18:21] <Lex79> iirc
[18:21] <neversfelde> ok, as far as I understood, kffmpegthumbnailer should go to the cd?
[18:21] <neversfelde> it's in multiverse
[18:21] <Lex79> If we have space on CD yes
[18:22] <neversfelde> ok, then it does not matter, if it is faster than mplayerthumbs for the default installation :)
[18:22] <ScottK> We might consider it for the dvd.
[18:22] <ScottK> We don't have space on the CD.
[18:23] <Lex79> I think Quintasan is waiting a new version of fmpegthumbnailer, then that we can do a MIR
[18:23] <neversfelde> ok
[18:24] <Quintasan> yeah, that too, Debian/Ubuntu maintainer said he waits for his sponsor upload and then he will fill a sync request
[18:24] <Quintasan> oh
[18:24] <Quintasan> I was just about to say 49 KB is not really much
[18:24] <Quintasan> but I think we are really lacking space
[18:26] <Lex79> ScottK: We might consider drop the language packs from the CD ;)
[18:26] <ScottK> Lex79: Except they are all already removed.
[18:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: it takes 49 KB of space, if we can't manage to squeeze it there I won't cry :)
[18:26] <ScottK> Quintasan: Perhaps if it's that small.
[18:27] <neversfelde> is someone already working on removing the groups for category internet in kickoff menu?
[18:27] <neversfelde> again
[18:28] <Lex79> I don't think
[18:28] <neversfelde> ok, then I'll do it, if we still do not want it
[18:31] <ScottK> We still do not want it.
[18:34] <DarkwingDuck> Morning gang
[18:38] <nixternal> hola
[18:48] <Quintasan> DarkwingDuck: hello
[18:49] <Quintasan> nixternal: \o
[18:49] <nixternal> haha
[18:49] <nixternal> wasabi
[18:49] <nixternal> I just 'haha'd in the wrong channel
[18:49] <Quintasan> lol
[18:49] <DarkwingDuck> pulling down the docs and finishing up my list
[18:49] <Quintasan> wasabi == awesome but mouthburning is not awesome
[18:49] <Quintasan> :P
[18:49] <nixternal> I don't know why I started using wasabi instead of what's up
[18:50] <nixternal> wasabi is the best toothpaste ever!
[18:50] <neversfelde> bah
[18:50] <Quintasan> Kills all known germs, along with your mouth
[18:50] <Quintasan> :P
[18:50] <nixternal> it is fine, unless you breathe wrong while eating it
[18:51] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[18:51] <Quintasan> It's also important to not forget to breath while eating :P
[18:52] <nixternal> good point, maybe I will stop passing out if I do that
[18:52] <Quintasan> :O
[18:53] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[18:53] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: How are we on time for the docs?
[18:53] <Quintasan> hurry up
[18:53] <Quintasan> I want to translate something sooo badly :P
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[18:59] <nixternal> we are getting close to running out of time for the initial push
[19:00] <DarkwingDuck> as in Feb 1? Feb 10?
[19:02] <nixternal> as in about a week, my time line of course :)
[19:03] <neversfelde> The devel list has become very active or is that only my impression?
[19:03] <nixternal> it has to an extent
[19:04] <nixternal> but only because of my stupid emails I guess :D
[19:05] <neversfelde> hehe
[19:05] <neversfelde> I like it
[19:07] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: hi :) a quick question: what goes under the section called tips ??
[19:08] <nixternal> tips :p
[19:08] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: nice :) that's actually a pretty broad topic so any ideas, maybe a brain-dump
[19:09] <nixternal> the tips section may not be needed...i put it there for filler if it could be utilized better than another topic
[19:10] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: alright yay!! that's one less section for me then, I am about to push printing and sharing, just giving it a final touch :)
[19:12] <nixternal> make sure you merge request it
[19:13] <nixternal> and mark your work done on the wiki as well
[19:15] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: just one more question sorry: should printing cover printing over network using SAMBA
[19:18] <nixternal> should cover everything related to printing
[19:18] <nixternal> which would be good, if needed, to link to your sharing topic too :)
[19:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Any ideas how to get kubuntu-netbook-default-settings to install a file in ~/.config?  That seems to be the key to getting plasma-netbook autostarting
[19:40] <neversfelde> tsimpson: I think it is not a bad idea to maintain the access lists of #*ubuntu-* channels in launchpad. Is it possible to do it with #kubuntu-de* channels and if, where can I get further infos about it? People seem to be a little bit undecided and sceptical, so I need to convince them.
[19:41] <neversfelde> I can also write an initial mail about it to the devel list, so that we can discuss it related to #kubuntu-devel.
[19:42] <tsimpson> neversfelde: these pages have some info http://tsimpson.ubottu.com/blog/archives/3 https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/bantrackertwo/+spec/import-access-list-into-launchpad/ https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/irc-council-lucid-plans
[19:43] <tsimpson> if you have any questions you can just ask me or one of the other council members :)
[19:47] <Lure> why are alternate daily images not available?
[19:48]  * Lure is considering reinstall, but need alternate cd for cryptsetup disk
[19:49] <nixternal> maco: no lernid on kde, it was determined that jono thought it would be confusing and thought that kde didn't need its own port since i guess lernid will run on kde
[19:53] <nixternal> wow, look at all of the Kubuntu topics in UserDays
[19:57] <maco> what what
[19:57] <maco> he made you ditch it?
[19:57] <maco> :(
[19:57] <neversfelde> tsimpson: thanks, I#ll write some mails about it after I read it
[19:58] <Tm_T> neversfelde: also feel free to mail to irc-council or us ops (:
[19:58] <neversfelde> k
[19:58] <nixternal> maco: yup
[19:59] <Tm_T> if you have questions that is, or, well, in any way (:
[19:59] <maco> nixternal: i guess that means you got a ping from nigel?
[19:59] <nixternal> yeah :)
[19:59] <crimsun> that doesn't (or shouldn't) stop anyone from porting it
[19:59] <maco> can i have what you had written anyway?
[19:59] <maco> just do a little bzr push...no need to package it..
[20:00] <nixternal> i guess someone asked jono on his jono at home thing he does on ustream, and he said it was a waste of time or something to that effect and he didn't want to confuse users with a kde version
[20:00] <nixternal> maco: i threw it out...only took me about an hour
[20:00] <maco> which is also what he said to you online...
[20:00] <nixternal> right, did you see the screenshot of it?
[20:00] <maco> and i still think if that argument is valid, we can tell evolution devs to stop working on it and just have everyone use kmail so as not to confuse people with 2 mail clients
[20:00] <maco> yes
[20:01] <crimsun> what? how could people be confused with a "KDE version"?
[20:01] <nixternal> crimsun: I guess our users are to stupid...I don't know
[20:01] <Tm_T> crimsun: because it has K in its name and has blue icons (:
[20:01] <crimsun> if properly written, it should be a Qt4 hook
[20:01] <nixternal> if that is the case, then we need to fix our bug triaging spec as well :p
[20:01] <nixternal> crimsun: python devs around here don't properly write a damn thing
[20:01] <nixternal> it is written with Ubuntu/GNOME in mind and that's it
[20:02] <maco> if having gnome and kde versions confuses people, does that mean we shouldnt have kubuntu?
[20:02] <nixternal> +1
[20:02] <nixternal> I think we need to ditch it as well
[20:02] <nixternal> we shouldn't have anything, just slackware
[20:02] <Tm_T> nixternal: no need to curse
[20:02] <maco> and twm
[20:02] <nixternal> hahaha
[20:02] <crimsun> it can't be that difficult. I wrote a Qt4 frontend for my alsa configuration utility, and someone else wrote a GTK+-2.0 version. I mean, really...
[20:02] <nixternal> no, twm is the suck, liteSTEP
[20:03] <maco> nobody needs these fancy gnome and kde and xfce and fluxbox and enlightenment things
[20:03] <nixternal> lets go way back
[20:03] <nixternal> crimsun: you obviously don't fit the mold of a person who properly writes python apps :p
[20:07] <jjesse> interesting prompted for updates and it says that quassel will be removed and quasel-data will be installed
[20:07] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:08] <_Groo_> so im gonna have to update my kde multimedia pulse audio package for rc2 :) nice
[20:08] <Tm_T> half hi?
[20:08] <nixternal> no, he is an os/2 fan :p
[20:08] <nixternal> which I guess is really half an os
[20:09] <Tm_T> nixternal: atleast warp 3 was
[20:09] <_Groo_> nixternal: why you!!!! os/2 WAS the future... until it was killed by its mother (IBM)
[20:09] <_Groo_> warp 3 was ages ahead of windows 95/98
[20:09] <_Groo_> even 4 was better then xp...
[20:09] <Tm_T> true
[20:10] <Tm_T> but warp 3 didn't fit well to 250 MiB HDD
[20:10] <nixternal> hehe, i love poking os/2 fun at _Groo_
[20:10] <_Groo_> fortunatelly then linux came along and i could switch without too much guilt
[20:10] <_Groo_> nixternal: ;) im an old os/2 warrior... os/2 is very dear to me
[20:11] <crimsun> nixternal: ur so rite:)
[20:11] <crimsun> (in fact I'm no python person at all, more of an x86 asm and C)
[20:11] <nixternal> so rite about what? I never even half rite most of the time
[20:12] <nixternal> oh
[20:12] <nixternal> i took asm courses in college, and i vowed to never mess with it again...oh my head still hurts
[20:12] <nixternal> though, knowing it helps reverse engineer a lot of things
[20:13] <ScottK> The only time I've had hallucinations while programming was in Z80 assembler.
[20:13] <maco> at some point i should learn x86 asm i guess...though i think arm might actually be more useful more sooner
[20:13] <ScottK> The fact that I'd been awake for 40 hours straight at the time, didn't help.
[20:13] <maco> ScottK: i thought you were a only-python programmer!
[20:14] <crimsun> ...it isn't as if x86 is a defunct arch
[20:14] <maco> crimsun: yes, but x86 is *huge*
[20:14] <maco> and i dont know why i would actually need asm on x86
[20:14] <Tm_T> I wrote some 8088 asm back in 2002 ... haven't written much sane code since
[20:14] <ScottK> maco: Now.  This was over 25 years ago.
[20:14] <maco> ScottK: i see
[20:15] <crimsun> maco: whereas you /would/ need asm on armX?
[20:15] <maco> crimsun: learning all of x86 will be much harder than learning all of arm ;)
[20:15] <maco> instruction set much bigger!
[20:15] <ScottK> I've also been OK with ForTran, Pascal, and COBOL at different times.
[20:15] <maco> well....if....maybe!
[20:15] <maco> hrmph.
[20:16] <maco> maybe when ScottK discovers something that doesnt build on arm, id be able to be helpful
[20:16]  * maco sticks tongue out at crimsun
[20:16]  * maco 8 years old
[20:16] <ScottK> I also know how it feels to drop an unindexed set of punch cards.
[20:16] <ScottK> Nah.  *8 is a pretty well behaved age.  That's more teenager.
[20:17] <crimsun> how often is it that an FTBFS on armel is due to asm?
[20:17]  * _Groo_ learned is first language at the age of 12 with zx spectrum basic.. i made rain with 48k of RAM
[20:17] <Tm_T> crimsun: that's not the point (;
[20:18]  * _Groo_ remembers it took almost half an hour to load all 48k using a tape player
[20:18]  * _Groo_ feels old compared with the internet generation
[20:18] <maco> crimsun: um this one time he talked to cjwatson and then came in here and asked if anyone knew arm asm because they though asm was the only way to fix a ftbfs...
[20:19] <maco> then they found another way....but thats not the point!
[20:19]  * _Groo_ saw the rise of BBS, the rise of analog to digital modem, from 300 BPS modem to high speed band
[20:19]  * maco thinks _Groo_ not only feels old, but IS old
[20:19]  * maco runs
[20:19] <Tm_T> kids...
[20:19] <ScottK> It was asm, but it turned out qt4-x11 already shipped arm6 asm, it just needed to be used.
[20:19] <maco> crimsun: ha!
[20:20] <ScottK> _Groo_: I started with 110 bps
[20:20] <_Groo_> maco: lol ;) old = experience
[20:20] <ScottK> maco: It didn't take ASM changes, it took using the correct ASM in debian/rules
[20:20] <_Groo_> ScottK: same, the audio plugged modem, but comercially 300 bps where the first mainstream
[20:20] <maco> _Groo_: i was expecting a bit o' cane-shaking
[20:20] <ScottK> ... and stay off my front lawn.
[20:21] <Tm_T> you're young if you have your own front lawn
[20:21]  * _Groo_ wont let maco enter is flying house thats for sure
[20:21] <_Groo_> cuttest movie ever...
[20:21] <maco> flying house? dont land on the witch of the east. elpheba wont like it
[20:21] <maco> oh, "Up"?
[20:21] <_Groo_> maco: i meant for the pixar movie, UP
[20:21] <_Groo_> yep
[20:23] <crimsun> TBH I don't know what the point is; learning asm isn't a zero-sum game. Just learn both x86 and arm*.
[20:29] <_Groo_> crimsun: in college when i was learning assembler i trashed a HD cause i made the rotor rotate th wrong way.. that time the controler was separated and we could program it
[20:29] <_Groo_> i was learning how to park heads and i made a a stupid mistake :D
[20:30] <_Groo_> my teacher was so happy with that acomplishment that she started to cry...
[20:32] <Tm_T> _Groo_: my teachers cried often, though I doubt it was happiness...
[20:32] <_Groo_> Tm_T: yeah know that i think of it maybe i missunderstood the incoming signs...
[20:33] <_Groo_> now i mean
[20:46] <_Groo_> im uploading my koffice 2.1.1 package to my experimental ppa
[20:51] <tomplast> ScottK: Hi, about the MIR. I think I have to postpone it to do some checking. It seems that udev in recent versions already has a similar (if not identical) functionality to the one in usb-modeswitch. So I have to check it out to see if there's any major advantage with usb-modeswitch that justifies moving it to main.
[20:53] <tomplast> ScottK: Some particular modems (like mine) isn't supported by udev's modem switching functionality, but that can perhaps be solved with a udev rule. But I'm not really sure (found out about it a couple of hours ago) so I have to check it out.
[21:00] <_Groo_> ScottK: koffice 2.1.1 will hit my experimental ppa in an hour or 2... free free to play with them
[21:02] <_Groo_> ScottK: argh 52MB , dput will bork for sure :( damn.. oh well lets try one time at least
[21:04] <tomplast> _Groo_: Do you know why OpenOffice is the primary choice instead of Koffice? Hasn't Koffice come quite far when it comes to features and usability by now?
[21:05] <_Groo_> tomplast: i love koffice, specially krita... im using openoffice less and less...
[21:08] <tomplast> _Groo_: Hmm perhaps I should take a look then. I felt so liberated when I took the step and left GNOME a couple of weeks ago. I have felt almost suffocated in GNOME. I find GNOME almost unusable (mainly due to all the stuff they refuse to implement). OpenOffice feels mainly like a mess to me but I'll install Koffice now and hopefully I will find something better :)
[21:09] <_Groo_> tomplast: youll have to wait a little, im uploading for lucid and it will take me a little while to backport for karmic
[21:10] <tomplast> _Groo_: I'm not using Karmic anymore, it's lucid for me all the way. Plasma is a little buggy but most things work ^^
[21:10] <_Groo_> tomplast: but jontheechidna is the oficial koffice mand i believe
[21:11] <_Groo_> tomplast: oh ok, then cross your fingers the stupid ppa ftp wont bork at the last byte has he usually do
[21:11] <_Groo_> as he
[21:11] <tomplast> ^^
[21:12] <crimsun> _Groo_: hm, you don't test-build locally first, i.e., use pbuilder and piuparts, before uploading to your PPA?
[21:12] <_Groo_> crimsun: yes i do, my problem is with the upload, its a known fact that dput its a bit edgy for big packages aka all above 20M
[21:14] <crimsun> I wonder if we could rsync instead
[21:15]  * _Groo_ would be a happy camper.. or at least resume!!! give me resume!!!
[21:16] <tomplast> Btw, I know that Lucid Lynx is only in alpha stages but have you felt that plasma-desktop crashes quite often?
[21:16] <tomplast> Or is it only my installation?
[21:20] <_Groo_> tomplast: its not lucid but the code.. its still a little unstable but getting better at every release
[21:22] <tomplast> Yeah I understand that it's the code. But what I meant with Lucid was the current packages and how  they were implemented.
[21:22] <tomplast> But I wondered if I had too much trickering.
[21:22] <tomplast> Or had just bad luck.
[21:22] <tomplast> :p
[21:23] <tomplast> I just hope that AMD released an ati driver for the Xorg version Ubuntu/Kubuntu will ship withl.
[21:23] <tomplast> releases
[21:24] <tomplast> Very soon..
[21:27] <tomplast> For now, is there any easy way of downgrading Xorg in Lucid (without breaking everything) to be able to use the propriarty drivers from ATI?
[21:27]  * Sput would recommend using the open drivers instead :P
[21:27] <tomplast> No 3d acceleration for HD5770 :(
[21:27] <tomplast> At least not from what I have read
[21:27] <Sput> hmmm... my 4850 has OpenGL 2.0 now
[21:30] <_Groo_> dput is incredibly slow with ftp.launchpad... cant i use other method to upload to the ppa?
[21:30] <tomplast> Sput: Nice :). But how is the performance with the free driver compared to the closed one?
[21:30] <tomplast> open driver vs closed driver
[21:31] <Sput> well, at least I can watchHD videos flawlessly with the open driver, while the closed one fails at that in both windows and linux :P
[21:31] <ScottK> tomplast: OK.  Good to hear.
[21:31] <Sput> can't tell you how it's with games etc as I've never tried, but it certainly has a better experience for 2D and very smooth KDe effects
[21:33] <tomplast> Sput: I have an installation with Ubuntu 9.10 with the closed ati driver. Works like a charm there, though I haven't tried HD playback I have played some 3d games on max. Should be interesting to test the open driver and the closed driver when they work for my work (and with the newest Xorg).
[21:33] <crimsun> _Groo_: I've asked in #launchpad whether rsync is a valid dput method for ppa.launchpad.
[21:33] <ScottK> tomplast: WRT OOo versus KOffice, KOffice is still far behind OOo in document interoperability.  For anyone that exchanges documents with other people, excellent MS Office compatibility is essential.  Also it's probably KOffice 2.2 before we have one that's mature enough to seriously consider.  That's a discussion for Lucid +1 I think.
[21:34] <ScottK> tomplast: I know almost nothing about udev, so let me know what you find out.
[21:35] <crimsun> _Groo_: it appears that rsync is not valid for ppa.launchpad.
[21:38] <tomplast> ScottK: Okay, at least it doesn't feel as bloated as OOo. That was my last experience with Koffice anyway. A lot quicker and more responsive.
[21:38] <ScottK> That would be true of almost anything.
[21:38] <ScottK> (quicker and more responsive)
[21:39] <tomplast> Mm
[21:39] <ScottK> For me the document format compatibilty is absolutely essential.  None of my customers use OOo.  It's 100% MS Office and so I don't have a choice but to care.
[21:41] <tomplast> Okay.
[21:42] <tomplast> Thankfully vim is the only thing I need :p
[21:42] <tomplast> Without it I would be lost ^^
[21:43] <tomplast> :%s/OpenOffice/vim/g :E
[21:44] <_Groo_> crimsun: yeah i know :(
[21:44] <_Groo_> join #launchpad
[21:56] <_Groo_> ScottK: scott did kdebindings compiled?
[22:17] <ScottK> _Groo_: I already told you I don't know.
[22:20] <Lex79> _Groo_: no, smoke it's ftbs, upstream aware, we are waiting the fix
[22:21] <Lex79> /it's/is
[22:23] <_Groo_> Lex79: ok lex, tks, gonna wait :)
[22:32] <dhillon-v10> jjesse: do you know which doc handles the adding and removing of users
[22:49] <schmidtm_> when i try to install the nouveau nvidia card driver aptitude reports that xserver-xorg-core will be broken because xserver-xorg-core conflicts xserver-xorg-video-5 which is a virtual packet
[23:05] <ScottK> schmidtm_: #ubuntu-x is probably your best bet.
[23:06] <schmidtm_> ScottK: ok i will report there too
[23:08] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: printing one is done :) 560 lines of torture
[23:09] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: the sharing one still gives some validation problems so fixing that
[23:28] <hunger> is nepomuk and strigi supposed to work in lucid at this time?
[23:29] <hunger> After installing virtuoso* nepomuk seems to be fine, but strigi won't index anything:-(
[23:53] <hunger> Is strigi currently supposed to be working in lucid?