[00:27] <Black_Phantom> is Alpha 2 tolerable ?
[00:35] <Barridus> b
[00:53] <Sarvatt> anyone else having the fat jfs xfs ufs hfs hfsplus qnx4 minix exportfs msdos ntfs reiserfs fat and vfat modules randomly get loaded periodically?
[00:57] <RAOF> Sarvatt: You've probably been running update-grub?
[00:57] <RAOF> IIRC it will probe all your partitions for all possible filesystems.
[00:58] <Sarvatt> hmmm that makes alot of sense since i update kernels daily and see it about once a day, thanks RAOF :)
[01:04] <DanaG> argh, virt-manager doesn't let me create a new VM.
[01:04] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:04] <BUGabundo> DanaG: sudo make new VM ?
[01:04] <DanaG> You go to wizard, and type a name.... and nothing happens.
[01:05] <DanaG> The only button enabled is "Cancel".
[01:05] <BUGabundo> http://xkcd.com/149/
[01:05] <DanaG> BUGabundo is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[01:05] <DanaG> (reported to where?  I never did figure out where those went.)
[01:06] <BUGabundo> sysmail
[01:06] <BUGabundo> to root (if you have a MTA installed)
[01:07] <acicula> you login to a login shell and you get mail
[01:14] <summel> dudes.... using the hard disk motion detection sensor thingy as default mouse is NOT a good idea!
[01:15] <DanaG> heh.
[01:16] <summel> whats the name of the module for that thingy on a macbook?
[01:17] <Sarvatt> applesmc
[01:17] <summel> thx
[01:17] <Sarvatt> that should be fixed now though. have you not updated in a few weeks by any chance?
[01:18] <summel> i just downloaded the live cd
[01:18] <summel> because i want to make a bootable cd installer for my netbook
[01:18] <summel> which is NOT possibleon mac os
[01:18] <summel> without an .img file
[01:18] <summel> -_-
[01:18] <summel> *HATE*
[01:19] <Sarvatt> the fix must not have been on the livecd you used but it should be fixed with the latest packages in the archives, you can rmmod applesmc to fix it for now though
[01:19] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-New%20VM.png
[01:19] <summel> yes, i unloaded that module :)
[01:19]  * DanaG has a lis3lv02d in his laptop.
[01:19] <summel> now ubuntu has a usb-boot-creator thingy preinstalled? is that on the livecd?
[01:20] <BUGabundo> summel: daily live?
[01:20] <BUGabundo> we still have modules?
[01:20] <Sarvatt> sounds like hes using alpha 1
[01:20] <summel> alpha2
[01:20] <BUGabundo> I though *everything* was builtin
[01:20] <Sarvatt> yeah it should be on the livecd
[01:20] <summel> ok then i just have t find it :D
[01:20]  * BUGabundo hands summel zsynx
[01:20] <summel> a what?
[01:20] <BUGabundo> iso upgrade tool
[01:20] <summel> does it work on mac os?
[01:20] <summel> :P
[01:21] <BUGabundo> I run it almost daily for *every* iso we have
[01:21] <BUGabundo> rsync works too
[01:21] <BUGabundo> and mac better have that
[01:21] <DanaG> virt-manager phail.
[01:21] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-New%20VM.png
[01:22] <Sarvatt> nope, pretty sure theres a unetbootin port to osx though
[01:22] <summel> no only win/lin
[01:23] <summel> like most apps ;_;
[01:23] <summel> and the ones that have a mac os port dont care about mac os bugs ;_;
[01:23] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: are you kidding ? then why do ALL hardocre linux users I know move to mac, and say its just like linux ?
[01:23] <summel> if there was an -img for 10.04 i could have just dd'd it -_-
[01:24]  * DanaG can't stand Mac OS.
[01:24] <BUGabundo> yeah we miss imgs
[01:24] <DanaG> The window manager sucks, for one.
[01:24] <summel> why not?
[01:24] <summel> gn yes
[01:24] <BUGabundo> but archive admins don't want too
[01:24] <DanaG> And Finder sucks.
[01:24] <summel> finder is not THAT bad ^^
[01:24] <summel> and the wm is better then windows wm :/
[01:24] <BUGabundo> gnome-do FTW
[01:24] <summel> kinda
[01:25] <summel> well ther is gnome-do for mac os
[01:25] <summel> :P
[01:25] <summel> built in
[01:26] <DanaG> Actually, I like the Windows WM far, far better than the Mac OS one.
[01:26] <summel> hm why?
[01:26] <DanaG> Can't resize from anywhere but lower right... really realy stupid.
[01:27] <DanaG> What happens if the lower-right corner is under the dock, and the top is just below the menu bar?
[01:27] <summel> hmmm but windows has no virtual desktops
[01:27] <DanaG> Third-party software can remedy that.
[01:27] <summel> and mac-os crappy-virtual desktop supoort > no virtual desktops
[01:27] <summel> ewww
[01:27] <summel> i wouldnt want to do that :D
[01:27] <DanaG> Oh, and no maximize.
[01:28] <DanaG> And double-clicking minimizes... wt-heck>
[01:28] <summel> why would i want to maximiz a window?
[01:28] <summel> i have a 32" display
[01:28] <summel> :o
[01:30] <DanaG> Compiz is awesome as a WM... once you get it tweaked nicely.
[01:31] <summel> ewww
[01:31] <summel> compiz sucks imho
[01:31] <summel> <3 kwin
[01:31] <DanaG> yeah, kwin is pretty nice.
[01:31] <DanaG> GRR, STUPID VIRT-MANAGER!
[01:32] <DanaG> LET ME CREATE A VM!
[01:32] <summel> <3 tabbed windows
[01:32] <summel> DanaG: use virtualbox :D
[01:32] <BUGabundo> summel: I have a 26" and I maximize most wind
[01:32] <DanaG> Can vbox do ARM?
[01:32] <summel> BUGabundo: ewww *hides*
[01:32] <summel> DanaG: uhm dunno... ose probably
[01:32] <BUGabundo> on my laptop 13.3" I have compiz with Maximize plugin
[01:32] <BUGabundo> DanaG: no
[01:32] <summel> i want a multitouch tablet the size of my netbooks display :o
[01:33] <summel> or a reverted mobile holotransmitter like the doc from voyager
[01:33] <summel> <3
[01:33] <BUGabundo> me too
[01:33] <BUGabundo> trying to replace my laptop for home usage
[01:33] <BUGabundo> got it when I was moving around a lot
[01:33] <BUGabundo> now I have an  Android
[01:33] <summel> ewww android
[01:33] <BUGabundo> my laptops never leave home now .\
[01:34] <summel> :D
[01:34]  * BUGabundo slaps summel
[01:34] <summel> i have an S60 Phone which i take out more often then my netbook :o
[01:34] <summel> <3 opera mini/mobile
[01:34] <summel> but i  waaaant an N900
[01:34] <BUGabundo> Android Browser 2.0 (webkit based) rocks
[01:35] <summel> i dont like android :(
[01:35] <summel> is there something like krandrtray for gnome?
[01:35]  * DanaG is getting really angry at libvirt.
[01:35] <DanaG> I mean, I can forgive failing to create an image.... but not even enabling the "OK" button?  That's stupid.
[01:35]  * BUGabundo hands DanaG CLI tools
[01:36] <BUGabundo> summel: you really don't know what you are talking about
[01:36]  * BUGabundo points summel to android-x86.com for eeepcs images
[01:36] <summel> BUGabundo: ive seen android.... and used it... i just dont like it :/
[01:36] <summel> but i DO like maemo :)
[01:40] <summel> so is there a panel widget thingy to rotate my screen with xranr?
[01:40] <summel> *xrandr
[01:46] <BUGabundo> yes
[01:47] <BUGabundo> for open drivers
[01:47] <summel> intel
[01:47] <summel> :)
[01:47] <summel> <3
[01:47] <BUGabundo> just go to creen resol
[01:47] <BUGabundo> and tick the "icon option"
[01:47] <summel> :o neat thx
[01:48] <summel> hmmm can i tell that thingy to also rotate my touchpad?
[01:50] <DanaG> ERROR    Host does not support any virtualization options for arch 'arm'
[01:52]  * BUGabundo is in love with $ mocp
[01:52] <BUGabundo> DanaG: told you so
[01:52] <BUGabundo> you need REAL HW for that
[01:53] <BUGabundo> summel: I remember reading a few bugs back in time on that
[01:53] <BUGabundo> if it should or not rotate tp
[01:53] <DanaG> ummm... qemu can do arm.
[01:53] <DanaG> It's just libvirt that fails.
[01:53] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/libvir-list@redhat.com/msg14332.html
[01:57] <DanaG> !find qemu-system-arm
[02:01] <DanaG> !find /usr/bin/qemu-system-arm
[02:05] <summel> why does ubuntu not support 2 finger scrolling?
[02:12] <BUGabundo> summel: it does
[02:12] <summel> not for me :(
[02:12] <BUGabundo> but implies you lose border scroll
[02:12] <summel> i cant check the checkbox
[02:12] <summel> :o
[02:12] <BUGabundo> ahh
[02:12] <summel> i dont want that
[02:12] <summel> 2fingers = way better imho ^^
[02:13] <summel> but the hardware supports 2finger scrolling... on mac os and windows
[02:13] <BUGabundo> I used to have BOTH
[02:13] <BUGabundo> wfm
[02:13] <BUGabundo> but now we have "pseudo-choise"
[02:13] <BUGabundo> ie only ONE
[02:13] <BUGabundo> duh
[02:13] <summel> hm
[02:19] <DanaG> yeah, I griped about that, too... you have side or 2-finger, but not both?
[02:21] <summel> i have side and none but no 2finger on ubuntu
[02:21] <summel> but i want 2finger or both
[02:21] <summel> but side scrolling is not important
[02:21] <summel> ^^
[02:43] <summel> can i configure alt+tab to use all windows and not only the ones from the current desktop?
[02:44] <BUGabundo> summel: not sure...
[02:44] <yofel> in KDE yes
[02:44] <BUGabundo> I think compiz has an optiong
[02:44] <yofel> but compiz should know that too
[02:44] <summel> i know it is possible in kde
[02:45] <summel> <3 kde
[02:45] <BUGabundo> metacidy doesn't
[02:45] <summel> yes, but it should not be neccesarry to install compiz-config-thingy only for THAT option oO
[02:45] <BUGabundo> no
[02:45] <yofel> in compiz there were different switchers with their own configuration in CCSM
[02:48] <summel> >_>
[02:48] <summel> compizfail
[02:49] <yofel> well, the only difference is that in KDE the settings diaglog is already installed, in gnome you have to install it first
[02:49] <summel> no kde does not use compiz at all
[02:49] <yofel> since the default gnome keyboard shortcut settings are VERY...
[02:49] <summel> per default that is
[02:50] <yofel> summel: well, yeah, but the kwin settings are part of KDE, the compiz settings are separate from gnome.
[02:50] <yofel> well, gnome doesn't have compositing by default
[02:50] <summel> thats why compiz sucks :)
[02:50] <summel> its an add-on
[02:50] <summel> not properly built in
[02:51] <yofel> true
[02:51] <summel> and poorly coded
[02:51] <summel> :p
[02:51] <yofel> *that's* a different issue :P
[02:51] <summel> :D
[02:52] <yofel> well, kwin isn't bug-free either, so let's leave it at that
[02:52] <summel> hmm alt+tab also ignores the empathy contact list btw
[02:52] <summel> i never found a bug in kwin :P
[02:52] <BUGabundo>   PID MINFLT MAJFLT      VSTEXT  VSIZE  RSIZE  VGROW  RGROW  MEM CMD     1/3
[02:52] <BUGabundo> 31621     32      0      34080K 978.7M 197.8M   100K   108K   5% chromium-brows
[02:52] <BUGabundo>  5057     31      0         73K 652.9M 191.7M    64K   124K   5% firefox-3.7
[02:52] <BUGabundo> 31548   8165      0        920K   1.2G 141.2M 90128K   580K   4% pidgin
[02:52] <BUGabundo> 32367      0      0       2130K 739.3M 103.4M     0K     0K   3% gwibber
[02:52] <BUGabundo> 32316     25      0       4941K 246.7M 94460K   100K   100K   2% nxagent
[02:52] <BUGabundo> never seen Chromium sucking so much
[02:52] <yofel> pidgin 1.2G VSIZE ???
[02:53] <yofel> why the hell would pidgin need 140MB ram o.O
[02:54] <BUGabundo> beats me
[02:55] <BUGabundo> well I have 2 IRC server, 9 other protocols, and HUGE logs in memory
[02:56] <yofel> ok, not unrealistic then ^^
[02:56] <summel> BUGabundo: irc = quassel :)
[02:56] <summel> the only irc client you ever need
[02:56] <summel> :o
[02:56] <yofel> lol, I just checked and quasselclient uses 270MB here...
[02:57] <yofel> let's restart it
[02:57] <summel> :D
[02:57] <summel> thats the great thing... your log is not gone if you restart it :D
[02:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: now add 4 gtalk, one msn, yahoo, aol, MANY plugins, 4 IM µblog bots
[02:57] <yofel> 38MB, MUCH better :D
[02:58] <BUGabundo> LOL
[02:58] <BUGabundo> my IO is trashing
[02:58] <BUGabundo> and the only thing out of the ordinary that I have is mocp :\
[02:59] <BUGabundo> a simple ncursers app to play a dir of 800MB of music
[02:59] <BUGabundo> should trash my disk should it?
[02:59] <yofel> iotop?
[02:59] <BUGabundo> nothing about ti
[03:00] <BUGabundo> 2nd thing I tried
[03:00] <yofel> argh, that "CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %" is annoying...
[03:00] <BUGabundo> I'm low on memory after uploading 2G of email via email with kmail
[03:00] <BUGabundo> DSK |         sda | busy     12% | read    7687 | write   1993 | avio    6 ms |
[03:00] <BUGabundo>   PID     RDDSK    WRDSK  WRDSK_CANCEL                       DSK CMD     1/2
[03:00] <BUGabundo> 31548        0K     424K            0K                       77% pidgin
[03:00] <BUGabundo>  4750      128K       0K            0K                       23% mocp
[03:42] <DanaG> Just tried the now-installable gnome-shell.
[03:43] <DanaG> It's horribly, horribly, <copy, paste>, <copy, paste>... slow.
[03:43] <DanaG> As in, I press a key, it takes 3 seconds for the letter to show up.
[03:43] <DanaG> 3 seconds of idleness.
[03:44] <RAOF> What graphics?
[03:44] <DanaG> ATI open-source.
[03:44] <RAOF> Also, yay installable gnome-shell!
[03:44] <DanaG> And it's not like it's hammering the CPU, even.
[03:44] <BUGabundo> a WHAT?
[03:44] <DanaG> It's just sitting there doing nothing.
[03:44] <DanaG> lrwxrwxrwx 1 dana dana      7 2009-10-03 02:59 firefox -> firefox
[03:44] <DanaG> argh, stupid firefox migrator.
[03:44] <DanaG> firefox-3.6 was a symlink to firefox... so it moved firefox-3.6 to "firefox".
[03:45] <DanaG> Hence the stupid circular symlink.
[03:45] <BUGabundo> ehe
[03:45] <BUGabundo> its fresh
[03:45] <BUGabundo> so be ware!
[03:45] <BUGabundo> let #ubuntu-mozillateam guys know
[03:46] <BUGabundo> asac micah and fta
[03:46] <RAOF> gnome-shell wierdness might possibly be vsync fun.
[03:49] <bjsnider> odd. gnome-shell doesn't do any of that here, but i'm on nvidia, not radeon
[03:50] <RAOF> And gnome-shell likes Intel just fine.
[03:50] <bjsnider> what is up with that radeon driver
[03:50] <bjsnider> * shakes head *
[03:50] <DanaG> I say, what is up with gnome-shell?
[03:50] <DanaG> Nothing else acts quite so broken.
[03:51] <DanaG> I mean, if I press a key... what is it doing with it to make it not show up?
[03:51] <DanaG> Must be doing something weird.
[03:52] <bjsnider> i wonder what would happen if you were using fglrx
[03:53] <DanaG> Last time I tried, it gave a screen full of garbage.
[03:53] <DanaG> kwin and compiz were both fine, however.
[03:55] <yofel> BUGabundo: firefox-3.6 in the daily ppa is broken isn't it? Or is it just me
[03:56] <BUGabundo> yofel: Archive should have updated version
[03:56] <BUGabundo> it was in NEW queue
[03:58] <yofel> well, I removed firefox-3.6 for now and managed to get firefox-3.5 ailas 3.6.1~hg... to run from LIBDIR
[03:58] <yofel> so I can live with it for now
[03:58] <BUGabundo> purge 3.5
[03:59] <yofel> well, let's see...
[04:49] <echo3> 1
[05:35] <DanaG> OOooooooooooh: http://armdevices.net/2010/01/18/marvell-slim-desktop-solution-ebox-based-on-the-marvell-armada-510-processor/
[05:35] <DanaG> now... does it have open-source video drivers?
[05:36] <DanaG> And can it play videos in wobbly compiz? =þ
[06:08] <DanaG> http://armdevices.net/2010/01/19/sheeva-plug-2-0-and-plug-computer-3-0-at-ces-2010/
[06:08] <DanaG> yay, seems like everybody likes ubuntu.
[06:08] <DanaG> =þ
[06:35] <voidmage> in karmic if i hold down a key in a game in wine, instead of being held down the key repeats really fast. is this "feature" still present in lucid?
[12:00] <oCean_> just installed 10.04 alpha 2 in vbox. Everything fine. Ran all available updates (like 175+) all *seemed* ok, reboot required. At reboot: "GRUB loading" appears, then there's only black/blank screen.
[12:02] <simba_> 2.6.32-11 kernel?
[12:03] <oCean_> simba_: see, I don't know atm, since i had to reboot after updates, and now it just hangs at black screen. It installed latest updates ... might be the 32-11 ?
[12:03] <simba_> oCean_, try using the 2.6.32-10,
[12:03] <oCean_> there's no grub menu to choose from. Only "GRUB loading"
[12:03] <QPrime> doubt its the kernel, likely a grub issue.
[12:04] <QPrime> is that box multi boot?
[12:04] <oCean_> QPrime: nope, just fresh vbox
[12:04] <QPrime> ahh yes... ok
[12:05] <oCean_> I could try re-install, and leave kernel out of the updates..
[12:05] <QPrime> sounds like grub is choking right after the initial mbr load. :(
[12:05] <simba_> oCean_, know others had same problem with vbox and that kernel update...try searching bugs in launchpad
[12:06] <oCean_> ah, ok. I'll have a look there.
[12:07] <QPrime> simba_: why do you think its kernel related when grub never loads fully?
[12:08] <simba_> QPrime, because earlier ppl said they loaded 2.6.32-10 ok
[12:09] <oCean_> might as well try another install and *not* update kernel
[12:09] <QPrime> fair enough, but at the point of failure the kernel is not even involved yet.
[12:10] <arand_> Yea, I'm having the can't boot -11 but -10, on a VBox, but seems to be happening on physical machines as well
[12:10] <QPrime> just did an update and there was a grub update... I'd point the finger at that first :(
[12:10] <QPrime> arand_: but doe you get a grub menu on boot?
[12:11] <arand_> QPrime: Yes, do you not even get to the menu?
[12:11] <QPrime> arand_: yes - grub is fine here.
[12:12] <QPrime> I'm just saying that this issue (with a grub failure) is not likely a kernel issue
[12:12] <QPrime> oCean_ claimed that after update he did not get a grub menu.
[12:13] <arand_> Ah, hmm, just joined, jumped into discussion prematurely :(
[12:13]  * QPrime points the finger at grub not the kernel.
[12:13] <acicula> so livecd, reinstall grub on the mbr and retry?
[12:13] <arand_> Yea, if no grub menu, definitely grub issue..
[12:13] <oCean_> 2nd install is on it's way, then I'll do the updates and omit kernel and grub updates
[12:14] <QPrime> its grub2 so live cd and grub-install i would imagine
[12:14] <simba_> grub dont give menu if no other os installed
[12:14] <simba_> maybe a press something for menu, dont remember right now
[12:14] <QPrime> simba_: it will with multiple kernels (or if configured to present a menu)
[12:15] <arand_> hold down shift on boot, if it's just a matter of it not showing up..
[12:15] <oCean_> simba_: no menu, even when there are 2 kernel versions? As i understand there was a -11 in the updates
[12:16] <QPrime> oCean_: you should get a menu.
[12:16] <arand_> oCean_: only when you have more than two OSes I think, not when you have multiple kernels...
[12:16] <arand_> *more than one
[12:17] <simba_> oCean_, yes i have several kernels in my grub.cfg, but never see a menu, but i havent had any problems booting yet, so havent needed to look for it
[12:18] <QPrime> well my test box is a multi-boot so I'm I'm likely wrong on the menu then.
[12:19] <QPrime> oCean_: you can always force a menu via /etc/default/grub I think.
[12:20] <oCean_> 2nd install is running, I'll have a look using live cd at first installation (the updated one)
[12:20] <simba_> oCean_, for grub2 documentation: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[12:21] <oCean_> simba_: found that. Thanks
[12:26] <QPrime> simba_: nice guide.
[12:28] <oCean_> simba_: QPrime on original (and updated) installation, booted using livedisk, mounted system partition and did grub-install --root-dir etcetera, then rebooted, and still nothing after the "GRUB loading"
[12:30] <simba_> oCean_, you did grub-install from livecd?
[12:30] <QPrime> oCean_: I running lucid on real hardware so I'm not sure what the issue might be. :(  possible kernel/vbox issue?
[12:31] <oCean_> ah wait
[12:31] <oCean_> holding down the shift key while in "GRUB loading" screen does result in grub menu.
[12:31] <QPrime> ok, grub works :)
[12:31] <oCean_> trying to boot from the 32-11 fails, where 32-10 does boot!
[12:32] <QPrime> kernel and vbox issue then possibly.  -11 works on my test (real) box.
[12:32] <oCean_> so we nailed it down to the 32-11 (in-combination-with-vbox that is?)
[12:32] <oCean_> aah
[12:32] <acicula> what message does it hang on?
[12:33] <oCean_> no msg at all. It reverts to black screen
[12:33] <QPrime> what about -11 recovery?
[12:33] <QPrime> from grub
[12:33] <oCean_> well, and *now* the 2nd install is completed of course :)
[12:34] <oCean_> QPrime: will try that now, hang on
[12:38] <oCean_> QPrime: here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/361219/ "unsupported CPU model"
[12:40] <QPrime> what version of vbox are you using?
[12:41] <QPrime> and if you take a look at dmesg in vbox using -10 do you see the same message?
[12:42] <oCean_> version: 308_ose (r53138) - and this issue appeared before: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1316262
[12:45] <QPrime> :(
[12:46] <oCean_> QPrime: it appears in the dmesg of the -10 too
[12:46] <oCean_> however, it does not say "checking hlt instruction", instead: weird, boot CPU (#0) not listed by the bios.
[12:46] <oCean_> weird cpu :)
[12:49] <QPrime> *grin* "gonzo cpu"
[12:49] <oCean_> best would be to file this @LP, I guess?
[12:49] <QPrime> I would agree
[12:49] <QPrime> look for other reports as well.
[12:50] <simba_> as i said i think it already are there
[12:50] <oCean_> QPrime: yep. I can narrow down the search now simba_
[12:50] <simba_> it was unclassified last i saw it
[12:51]  * QPrime defers to simba_
[12:52] <QPrime> on a happier note I now can play with kms on my test box (ati)  - yay!
[12:55] <oCean_> thanks for the help guys, have a good weekend!
[12:58] <QPrime> and you :)
[13:14] <lolnic_> I don't know if I said this before (apparently i had to register with nickserv), but:    hi, i just upgraded to 10.04 and NetworkManager isn't finding any wireless networks. I suspect it hasn't found my wireless card. What can I do?
[13:16] <acicula> was it working in 9.10 ?
[13:17] <lolnic_> acicula, yeah
[13:17] <simba_> lolnic_, ifconfig show wlan0?
[13:18] <lolnic_> wlan0: Unknown host
[13:18] <simba_> lolnic_, might be a driver problem then.
[13:19] <lolnic_> um, also i have an external netgear usb ...thingy.. plugged into my computer to make it work so i can get help
[13:19] <lolnic_> simba_, how could i get the driver? (it's a broadcom)
[13:20] <lolnic_> BCM4312 iirc
[13:22] <simba_> lolnic_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/506816
[13:23] <simba_> lolnic_, looks like others have the same problem
[13:23] <lolnic_> so i would want to "sudo apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source && sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source"?
[13:28] <lolnic_> do i have to reboot fro the driver to activate?
[13:29] <simba_> lolnic_, no idea,
[13:29] <lolnic_> okay, may as well try
[13:29] <lolnic_> thanks for the help!
[13:36] <edakiri> Are bug reports on Lucid Lynx first welcome when it reaches Beta stage, or also before?
[13:40] <yofel> edakiri: they are always welcome
[13:40] <Ian_Corne> ah exams over, running lucid now on my laptop
[13:40] <Ian_Corne> clean install, with updated installer, no problems so far
[13:40] <yofel> if you want to discuss your issue you're right here, if you need help on filing the bug #ubuntu-bugs is a better place
[13:43] <edakiri> I haven't tried it.  I think i will wait until code is 'frozen', shortly before alpha 3 I think that is.
[13:44] <yofel> edakiri: what issue do you have anyway?
[13:45] <edakiri> There is 1 i especially wish to test that is in KK, regarding GRUB2 + USB mass storage.
[13:46] <edakiri> If mass storage is attached at time of initial installation, grub2 will perform a long search on it during boot before timing out without finding what it seeks and continuing.
[13:46] <edakiri> Other bugs i have found in KK, i have reported already on launchpad.
[13:50] <edakiri> and then there is another that i have not looked for on launchpad yet, where LVM parts on the USB are not available early enough in boot.
[13:50] <edakiri> I think i reported that one to debian some time ago, though.
[13:51] <edakiri> it causes partitions to not be mountable at boot.
[14:17]  * penguin42 had problems with the kubuntu alpha2 lucid not working usefully on kvm, anyone had more look with the gnome version?
[14:56]  * penguin42 downloads to try
[16:00] <penguin42> seems to work live, not happy with writing to the virtual disc
[16:29] <blueyed> Is somebody running lucid already, with cryptsetup etc?
[16:29] <blueyed> I'm thinking about upgrading..
[16:30] <penguin42> blueyed: I'm running one partition like that, but not the root
[16:31] <blueyed> penguin42: thanks for the feedback. I'm thinking about removing encryption from root anyway (for performance reasons).
[16:32] <penguin42> blueyed: I run full encryption on my work laptop and it's OK - I mean it's got a fast CPU though
[16:33] <blueyed> penguin42: I have this running for quite some time already (Opteron 180), but my impression is that it slows the system down quite some.. and often seeing kcryptd taking up to 10% cpu..
[16:34] <penguin42> yeh, it;'s a security trade off
[17:03] <CosmiChaos> blueyed, you dont have to if you would have a new intel-core or a via-nono, those have a encryption unit for AES
[17:04] <CosmiChaos> also opencl/cuda got aes-applications to to encrypt files
[17:16] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[17:47] <NoelJB> Amaranth, you around this day?  :-)
[17:47] <Amaranth> NoelJB: for a bit, yes
[17:48] <NoelJB> Amaranth, any idea why raise on rotate might not work (Lucid)?
[17:48] <NoelJB> I haven't filed a report on it, yet, since there were all sorts of GL related issues in Lucid previously, but those seem to be squared away now.
[17:49] <Amaranth> NoelJB: I don't even know what you mean :P
[17:49] <Amaranth> compiz has about 20,000 options, you'll need to be specific
[17:49] <NoelJB> Amaranth, oh?  I thought that might be part of what you work on.
[17:49] <Amaranth> i work on all parts of it a little bit
[17:49] <NoelJB> Desktop Cube has a raise on rotate option.
[17:50] <Amaranth> what is it supposed to do and what is it doing now?
[17:50] <Amaranth> and did it work in karmic?
[17:50] <NoelJB> It worked in Karmic and previous.
[17:50] <Amaranth> nothing has changed in lucid except how compiz starts up and the kde decorator :/
[17:51] <NoelJB> it is supposed to give a 3D look when you rotate the desktop cube.  The windows lift off in layers, so that you can see under them from the side.  That's not happening in Lucid.
[17:51] <Amaranth> that's not raise on rotate, that's the 3d plugin
[17:52] <NoelJB> It also required that you have at least 3 sides.  Never worked with just two desktops, but does with 3 (in Karmic and earlier).
[17:53] <NoelJB> ?  Enabling Desktop Cube and Raise on Rotate did it previously.  I'm sitting in Lucid now.  What would you like for me to turn on?
[17:53] <Amaranth> install compiz-fusion-plugins-extra and turn on the 3d plugin
[17:53] <Amaranth> or install the karmic compiz packages and try it then
[17:54] <NoelJB> installing cfpe as we speak.
[17:54] <Amaranth> there have been 8 changes to compiz from karmic to lucid and 2 of them were no change rebuilds
[17:54] <Amaranth> so 6 changes, really
[17:55] <Amaranth> they changed how compiz starts and they make the kde decorator build with kde 4.4 plus a crash fix for wobbly and a change to the bindings for the terminal
[17:55] <NoelJB> but the rotate cube plugin used to do this.  I can reboot to karmic to check settings.
[17:55] <Amaranth> don't reboot to karmic, install the karmic compiz packages in lucid
[17:55] <Amaranth> compiz has effectively not changed at all from karmic to lucid
[17:56] <NoelJB> OK, installed CFPE.  What am I looking for?
[17:56] <Amaranth> the 3d plugin
[17:56] <Amaranth> if the karmic packages work but the lucid ones don't I'll be shocked
[17:56] <NoelJB> I wasn't expecting it to be a break in compiz.  I was expecting that it might be failing to find something, since there were all sorts of GL* related issues in lucid earlier.
[17:56] <Amaranth> right, that's what I'm thinking too
[17:57] <Amaranth> you can verify by installing the karmic compiz packages :)
[17:57] <NoelJB> You want me to turn on the 3D windows plugin?  That's the only thing I see that says 3D.
[17:57] <Amaranth> yeah
[17:58] <Amaranth> I gotta go, please test with the karmic packages in lucid
[17:58] <NoelJB> And that does it.  Perfect.
[17:58] <NoelJB> Cheers.
[17:58] <Amaranth> oh, alright
[17:58] <NoelJB> I'll go back and check my Karmic setup.
[17:58] <Amaranth> so the problem is we don't install compiz-fusion-plugins-extra package anymore
[17:58] <Amaranth> so compiz silently disabled any plugins you had enabled from that package
[17:59]  * Amaranth heads to the bank
[17:59] <NoelJB> Amaranth, thank you!  :-)
[19:00] <chowder> installed Lucid via debootstrap but I seem to have trouble setting up locales
[19:02] <chowder> I tried using dpkg-reconfigure localeconf but I get an error saying it isn't installed
[19:02] <chowder> so I tried installing it but apt can't seem to find the package
[19:03] <penguin42> indeed, there doesn't seem to be anything called localedef in the repos
[19:04] <chowder> well localedef I have installed
[19:05] <chowder> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4caae6af <<here's the error I get from dpkg
[19:05] <chowder> and from trying to install the missing package
[19:07] <penguin42> chowder: Do you have language-pack-en and language-pack-en-base installed?
[19:07] <onetinsoldier> hi all
[19:07] <penguin42> debootstrap always needs a few fixes
[19:08] <chowder> penguin42: I'm not sure but I'll check now
[19:09] <chowder> whoa, tried to install it and installs 100000000000 packages
[19:10] <chowder> is there a way to only install language-pack-en and not OpenOffice and the 100000 other packages apt seems to want to install
[19:11] <onetinsoldier> chowder: hang on. i have a look-see
[19:11] <penguin42> chowder: Just try the language-pack-en-base ?
[19:11] <chowder> alright
[19:12]  * penguin42 goes to get food
[19:13] <chowder> just installing the base seems to have worked
[19:13] <chowder> but doesn't apt install recommended packages by default?
[19:13] <chowder> I can't count the number of times I've gone into a rage when apt installs crap I don't need
[19:14] <onetinsoldier> chowder: i looked and 'language-pack-en' does not 'depend on openoffice' openoffice does not need to get installed in order to install language-pack-en. if fact, language-pack-en only has one single depend, which is 'language-pack-en-base'. why you would be getting 10,000 other packages from trying to install, i don't know
[19:15] <chowder> I added something extra that I thought I would need
[19:15] <chowder> but don't worry, just installing en-base did the trick
[19:15] <chowder> thanks a lot
[19:17] <onetinsoldier> chowder: start up 'aptitude'. go through it's options. there's an option to stop having apt/aptitude/apt-get install recommended or suggested packages. you uncheck the 'suggest' or whatever, and then, you will only get what you tell it to install(unless the package has ourtight dependencies, of course they must get installed)
[19:17] <chowder> onetinsoldier: I was actually gonna do it manually
[19:17] <onetinsoldier> ok
[19:17] <chowder> i didn't know that I could do it through aptitude
[19:17] <onetinsoldier> ahh, roger
[19:18] <onetinsoldier> to do it manually, i guess you open a file somewhere in /etc/apt?
[19:18] <chowder> touch /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02no-recommends and in that file add APT::Install-Recommends "false";
[19:18] <onetinsoldier> chowder: roger
[19:18] <onetinsoldier> i see ya
[19:24] <chowder> now I'm wondering what else I need to do
[19:25] <onetinsoldier> chowder: for? when i came in the room, i think i was too late to catch what the original issue was
[19:25] <onetinsoldier> i probably won't know the answer, but i'm the curious type :-)
[19:25] <chowder> onetinsoldier: well I installed Lucid in a chroot using debootstrap
[19:25] <onetinsoldier> ok
[19:26] <chowder> so I had to do a lot manually
[19:26] <chowder> wasn't really that bad, though. I copied my hosts and all other needed files
[19:26] <onetinsoldier> ahhh, roger. been years since i did an install using chroot, and that was like the only time i've ever done it
[19:26] <chowder> now I just need to add a user
[19:27] <onetinsoldier> chowder: ahhh, roger. one sec
[19:28] <onetinsoldier> well, adduser command i reckon
[19:29] <onetinsoldier> something like... adduser --home /home/onetinsoldier onetinsoldier
[19:29] <chowder> yea
[19:29] <onetinsoldier> be a little different perhaps in a chroot tho
[19:33] <chowder> nope, worked fine for me
[19:35] <onetinsoldier> cool!
[19:38] <chowder> manually editing the group file now
[19:40] <onetinsoldier> roger. sounds like you're all good and fine so far :)
[19:40] <chowder> pretty much
[19:40] <chowder> although I'm confused as to what groups my main user should be a member of
[19:41] <onetinsoldier> let me do the 'id' command, and i'll paste in the output
[19:41] <chowder> I'm guessing floppy, tape, audio, cdrom, and some administrative group with sudo privileges
[19:41] <chowder> kk
[19:41] <onetinsoldier> uid=1000(onetinsoldier) gid=1000(onetinsoldier) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),104(lpadmin),115(admin),121(sambashare),1000(onetinsoldier)
[19:42] <onetinsoldier> groups --> onetinsoldier adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[19:43] <onetinsoldier> that's from the 'groups' command
[19:44] <chowder> i wonder if its dangerous adding myself to other groups
[19:44] <onetinsoldier> hmmm, i'm not sure either
[19:45] <chowder> shouldn't be too big of an issue
[19:45] <onetinsoldier> i'm kind of rusty. just started using linux again several days ago after a years hiatus
[19:45] <chowder> went back to windows?
[19:46] <onetinsoldier> yeah. i played a a game i like a lot. World War 2 Online: Battleground Europe. there is no linux version. they thought about making it at one time and i was thinking it would be great if they did. but nope. they do make Mac native version though
[19:48] <chowder> I think its time I booted into my new install
[19:48] <onetinsoldier> roger. good luck!
[19:48] <chowder> need to configure the fstab
[19:49] <onetinsoldier> :-)
[19:51] <high-rez> I've done a do-release-upgrade from 9.10 - but I"m not sure: is there soemthing more I should do?  It doesn't appear to have replaced half with devicekit?
[19:52] <onetinsoldier> high-rez: you're upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04?
[19:53] <high-rez> one: right.
[19:53] <high-rez> I don't have any device kit processes running, but all of the half stuff is still there.
[19:53] <penguin42> hal
[19:53] <onetinsoldier> i'd say first check you're /etc/apt/sources.list file and make sure it's all on 'lucid'
[19:53] <high-rez> s/half/hal
[19:53] <high-rez> Just woke up:)
[19:54] <onetinsoldier> np
[19:54] <high-rez> one: It's all lucid.
[19:55] <onetinsoldier> ok. what is your version of 'hal' that's installed?
[19:55] <penguin42> high-rez: There seem to still be a few packages that are dependent on hal, libvirt being one
[19:55] <charlie-tca__> Hal is not completely gone, it just runs from dbus now
[19:56] <charlie-tca__> and, it should not start when the system does, in lucid.
[19:56] <high-rez> 0.5.14-0ubuntu3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_main_binary-i386_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
[19:56] <onetinsoldier> high-rez: roger. same version as mine
[19:57] <high-rez> Hmm
[19:57] <onetinsoldier> high-rez: you can always run a command that makes sure all packages are upgraded to the highest version possible --> sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[19:58] <onetinsoldier> high-rez: safer command to do though is...
[19:58] <onetinsoldier> high-rez:  sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[19:59] <high-rez> Hmm, I'll give full-upgrade a try ;)  What the heck.
[19:59] <onetinsoldier> ok
[20:01] <onetinsoldier> did it show some packages that were to be upgraded?
[20:01] <high-rez> Yeah
[20:01] <onetinsoldier> roger
[20:01] <high-rez> But I did a aptitude udpate this morning so I knew there was some stuff waiting forme ;)
[20:02] <onetinsoldier> after the full-upgrade, you might just want to do the 'safe-upgrade' from here on out
[20:02] <onetinsoldier> high-rez: i hear ya
[20:02] <high-rez> As opposed to just doing update/upgrade - it's better to do safe-upgrade ?
[20:03] <onetinsoldier> high-rez: well, i've started to use aptitude rather than apt-get. the full-upgrade and safe-upgrade are 'aptitude' specific i think
[20:04] <onetinsoldier> high-rez: with apt-get, i would do... apt-get dist-upgrade(full-upgrade) - or - upgrade(safe-upgrade)... i think that's how it works
[20:16] <chowder> kernel panic :(
[20:19] <onetinsoldier> ouch!
[20:19] <chowder> don't really know what happened because nothing has been logged to dmesg
[20:19] <onetinsoldier> chowder: did you use the Alpha2 to install?
[20:20] <onetinsoldier> just wondering what version of Lucid you used
[20:21] <chowder> not sure
[20:21] <onetinsoldier> roger
[20:21] <chowder> just did debootstrap --arch=i386 lucid
[20:22] <onetinsoldier> you're sure you got you're fstab right and that / is being mounted ok?
[20:23] <onetinsoldier> i think i've seen kernel panic before when / couldn't be mounted correctly
[20:23] <chowder> pretty sure
[20:23] <onetinsoldier> but i can't recall for certain
[20:23] <chowder> maybe it has something to do with the filesystem type
[20:23] <chowder> its ext4
[20:23] <onetinsoldier> maybe
[20:23] <onetinsoldier> could be
[20:23] <penguin42> what does the kernel panic say?
[20:24] <chowder> penguin42: I have no idea
[20:24] <chowder> I'm going to chroot into the install and see if dmesg logged anything
[20:26] <chowder> ok, chrooted into the Ubuntu install
[20:26] <chowder> *Lucid
[20:26] <onetinsoldier> chowder: does your /etc/sudoers file exist?
[20:26] <chowder> yes
[20:26] <onetinsoldier> roger
[20:26] <chowder> as does the fstab
[20:26] <onetinsoldier> cc
[20:27] <chowder> hosts, interfaces, etc.
[20:27] <Amaranth> if it can't mount / you'll get busybox, not a panic
[20:27] <onetinsoldier> Amaranth: ah, roger. thanks
[20:27] <chowder> I cd'd to /var/log/ and checked out dmesg but its blank
[20:28] <chowder> I think its giving me the dmesg output from my current Ubuntu install and not Lucid
[20:28] <onetinsoldier> chowder: just curious, what is the full version of the kernel in this install?
[20:31] <chowder> onetinsoldier: its 2.6.32-11
[20:31] <onetinsoldier> chowder: roger. that's as recent as it comes in lucid
[20:32] <chowder> it seems that commands like dmesg and uname give me the output that pertains to my main install and not to Lucid
[20:32] <chowder> I probably have to bind mount something
[20:32] <penguin42> chowder: chroot's are always a bit special - you can't normally boot them
[20:33] <chowder> penguin42: I figured that if I added the appropriate entry in my menu.lst it would work just fine
[20:33] <penguin42> chowder: How did you specify the root filesystem?
[20:33] <chowder> I have the kernel installed and everything properly configured, as far as I know
[20:33] <chowder> in the fstab or in the menu.lst?
[20:34] <penguin42> both
[20:34] <chowder> I'll tell you now
[20:34] <chowder> fstab entry: UUID="5fc167c6-3fb7-4ac8-91d4-0ceaf047dddf" / ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[20:36] <chowder> title Ubuntu 10.04 (testing) || uuid 5fc167c6-3fb7-4ac8-91d4-0ceaf047dddf || kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-11-generic root=5fc167c6-3fb7-4ac8-91d4-0ceaf047dddf || initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-11-generic || quiet
[20:36] <chowder> ignore the "||"
[20:36] <chowder> just my way of not flooding the channel
[20:36] <penguin42> yeh ok, so how are you specifying the directory
[20:37] <chowder> the root directory? I just followed used the fstab for my main install as a template and replaced the UUID
[20:37] <chowder> did pretty much the same with menu.lst except that I added the proper kernel and initrd
[20:38] <penguin42> oh ok, so you installed into a chroot that was actually another device
[20:38] <DanaG> hmm, is the chroot a separate partition?
[20:38] <DanaG> I've done that before: chroot to a secondary partition.
[20:38] <DanaG> ... that's also directly bootable.
[20:38] <chowder> yes, the chroot is another partition
[20:39] <penguin42> ah, that makes more sense
[20:39] <chowder> that's why I was trying to boot it ;)
[20:42] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:42] <onetinsoldier> hello
[20:43] <_Groo_> any kernel core dev could tell me if lucid will have backported radeon kms drivers from .33?
[20:44] <chowder> DanaG: none of my partitions are marked as bootable yet I'm able to boot into Jaunty without a problem.
[20:44] <chowder> maybe I should try marking my Lucid partition as bootable
[20:45] <onetinsoldier> chowder: i don't think you need to
[20:46] <onetinsoldier> chowder: i think that's only needed for like, old versions of lilo
[20:47] <penguin42> _Groo_: I seem to be getting mode setting on lucid's current kernel on my radeon rv710
[20:47] <DanaG> hmm, try booting without "quiet splash"
[20:47] <_Groo_> penguin42: you do, but try to run googleearth for ex... it will crash because compressed textures were only enabled in .33
[20:47] <chowder> I'll give it a shot
[20:48] <_Groo_> besides that lack of features it runs flawlessly, im using radeon kms since the first git days almost 2 years ago
[20:48] <DanaG> weird... gnome sleep hotkey doesn't work if a menu is open.
[20:48] <penguin42> _Groo_: Ah, annoying - my problem at the moment is that my hand built 2.6.33 is failing to boot with the new lucid boot process
[20:48] <_Groo_> but since lucid its a LTS it might be nice to think in backporting most of radeon parts in .33
[20:49] <_Groo_> penguin42: did you tried the ubuntu daily kernel builds?
[20:49] <penguin42> _Groo_: google earth is running good here; I'm running xorg-edgers libraries though, not the standard set
[20:49] <_Groo_> penguin42: same...
[20:49] <penguin42> _Groo_: No, not tried the daily kernel builds
[20:49] <_Groo_> what card?
[20:49] <penguin42> _Groo_: RV710, 4350
[20:50] <_Groo_> penguin42: ah mine is a bug in the r300 series i have an evil rs485
[20:50] <DanaG> daily kernel builds? where?
[20:50] <penguin42> _Groo_: Ah OK
[20:50] <DanaG> Are they 2.6.33-based?
[20:50] <_Groo_> DanaG: the mainline kernels
[20:50] <DanaG> I need the samsung-laptop driver.
[20:50] <DanaG> Mainline builds don't have even the "staging" menu ITSELF enabled.
[20:50] <_Groo_> DanaG: the mainline kernel builds are from git, they usually also branch the oficial releases
[20:51] <penguin42> _Groo_: Thing is, my kernels were working until ~ 2 weeks ago when plymouth went in, it just hangs now and it's rather difficult to tell why
[20:51] <chowder> brb, booting into Lucid
[20:51] <onetinsoldier> good luck!
[20:51] <_Groo_> penguin42: because you are prob missing the r600/700 firmare.. you need to add it manually, talk about it in #radeon
[20:51] <penguin42> _Groo_: Nope, done that
[20:51] <_Groo_> penguin42: hmmmmm
[20:52] <_Groo_> penguin42: disable plymouth then
[20:52] <penguin42> _Groo_: I had that all working the week before plymouth
[20:52] <penguin42> _Groo_: I'd rather figure out what it wants
[20:53] <_Groo_> penguin42: disable it, see if it boots then see, you dont even know if the problem really is plymouth
[20:53] <penguin42> true
[20:56] <DanaG> that site IS THE EXPLOIT!
[20:57] <penguin42> DanaG: What's the exploit?
[20:57] <DanaG> try wgetting the page and renaming it to txt... and you'll see all sorts of really nasty stuff in there.  Even the text itself is nasty.  Very nasty.
[20:58] <tsimpson> don't click on the link
[20:58] <DanaG> Make damn sure you don't open it in a browser.
[20:58] <penguin42> _Groo_: I am getting some google earth crashes
[20:58] <tsimpson> if you do open it, you'll likely be k-lined
[20:58] <_Groo_> penguin42: even in r600?
[20:59] <penguin42> _Groo_: ? it's rv710
[20:59] <_Groo_> tsimpson: can you pastebin the dmesg
[20:59] <_Groo_> penguin42: ah.. its actually almost the same code :)
[21:00] <penguin42> _Groo_: Nod, I suspect you're right that it may be the 2.6.32 kernel, it did feel stabler before - but there again since I'm running edgers anything might have changed in between
[21:00] <_Groo_> penguin42: its the kernel, airlied confirmed that the compressed textures didnt make it in .22
[21:03] <penguin42> _Groo_: I'll put the daily in - at least I should be able to try and track down what the config diff is
[21:03] <DanaG> now... how do you get an exploit site like that taken down?
[21:04] <penguin42> DanaG: ISP or registrar?
[21:04] <penguin42> DanaG: And doesn't google have a list of bad sites?
[21:04] <DanaG> Registrar:       Spot Domain LLC
[21:04] <DanaG> Protected Domain Services Customer ID: DSR-970830
[21:04] <_Groo_> penguin42: k, good luck with that... and talk around in #radeon, they m,ight be able to help a lot
[21:05]  * _Groo_ is uploading koffice 2.1.1 to its ppa for testing purposes
[21:05] <DanaG> the given address also seems bogus.  Leads to some health clinic.  125 Rampart Way Suite 300 Denver CO 80230
[21:05] <penguin42> _Groo_: Yeh, I was in there when I first got it going - I'm fairly sure my problem is an ubuntuism boot process issue
[21:05] <DanaG> guawd, I wish I could transmit matter through the internet.
[21:06] <penguin42> DanaG: I just find I can never get the sledge hammer into the rj45
[21:07] <penguin42> DanaG: The registrar (domainsite) does seem to be in denver based on the traceroute
[21:08] <penguin42> DanaG: Traceroute seems to suggest the ISP for the site is ai.net
[21:08] <DanaG> the whois for the exploit site claims it to be <exploitsite>@protecteddomainservices.com
[21:10] <DanaG> anyway, enough of that.
[21:12] <penguin42> _Groo_: Hmm what's the ppa for the kernel-ppa - the https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa only seems to have hardy/intrepid
[21:13] <_Groo_> penguin42: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=ubuntu+kernel+mainline
[21:13] <_Groo_> penguin42: google is your friend :D
[21:14] <penguin42> hey that's how I got that duff one!
[21:14] <_Groo_> google will answer only for the chosen ones
[21:15] <_Groo_> to the chosen ones..
[21:15] <_Groo_> slippy fingers today
[21:15] <crimsun> penguin42: the team doesn't actually recommend a PPA; use the public_html directory on zinc
[21:15] <crimsun> kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/
[21:16] <penguin42> ok
[21:16] <_Groo_> crimsun: that was what i passed to him via google search :)
[21:16] <penguin42> _Groo_: Wasn't actually a ppa
[21:17] <penguin42> (Which is what I was looking for from your search)
[21:18] <crimsun> we determined a few UDSes ago that serving mainline from a PPA would be kinda bad
[21:18] <penguin42> I guess it gets messy when it breaks
[21:19] <penguin42> crimsun: Any idea if there are a known set of unusual requirements for the ubuntu boot process?
[21:19] <_Groo_> crimsun: i was against not using ppa, if you are using experimental kernels you should know what you doind, why not make thing easier for who knows what to do... but its fine this way too
[21:20] <crimsun> _Groo_: given the amount of rope-hanging^Wbreakage that I've seen from people randomly adding PPAs, I think the kernel team made the right decision.
[21:20] <penguin42> too many people don't know how to dig themselves out from the mess they can cause
[21:21] <_Groo_> crimsun: agreed... but i dont care a lot for end users lol..
[21:21] <crimsun> which is an absolutely awful perspective to have, IMNSHO
[21:21] <_Groo_> crimsun: ehehehe ;)
[21:22] <penguin42> crimsun: Well I guess not everyone has to care
[21:22] <_Groo_> crimsun: BOFH is my god :)
[21:22] <crimsun> penguin42: hmm, "unusual"? I don't think so.
[21:22] <crimsun> penguin42: is there more context for that use case(s)?
[21:23] <DanaG> crimsun: do you know why the mainline builds have the staging dir entirely disabled?
[21:23] <penguin42> crimsun: I've got a fairly minimal config of my 2.6.33 rc3 that worked upto about 3 weeks ago prior to plymouth, and with the same kernel hangs I think in mountall
[21:23] <_Groo_> crimsun: dont get me wrong, i help, debug and im usually very open to helping, but im not very into, lets hold hands and show you a new world for windows/mac users... most arent worth the effort
[21:23] <crimsun> DanaG: Andy once said it was simple oversight; might try asking on kernel-team@
[21:23] <_Groo_> and after almost 2 decades of IT i kinda know when/where to invest
[21:23] <DanaG> Specifically, I'd need samsung-laptop and r8192se
[21:23] <penguin42> htf did you survive 2 decades in IT
[21:24] <_Groo_> penguin42: three rules of IT
[21:24] <crimsun> penguin42: do you have a graphics chipset capable of KMS?
[21:24] <_Groo_> penguin42: know who to blame
[21:24] <_Groo_> penguin42: know when to run
[21:24] <_Groo_> penguin42: know when to hide
[21:25] <_Groo_> crimsun: groo raises hand
[21:25] <crimsun> _Groo_: unfortunately it's not that simple for me given I'm in charge of an entire subsystem (audio)
[21:25] <penguin42> crimsun: Yes, and it works well with both the 2.6.32 lucid current and with that same 2.6.33rc3 of my own build prior to the boot changes ~3 weeks ago
[21:25] <_Groo_> crimsun: i know, im the one doing the kde multimedia pulse audio packages for kubuntu (testing for now)
[21:25] <crimsun> _Groo_: and since I'm a community member (not employed by Canonical), it's even more important not to alienate people
[21:25] <penguin42> crimson - the man that goes beep
[21:25] <_Groo_> crimsun: crimsun IM JOKING!!!!
[21:26]  * _Groo_ deactivates the sarcasm flag
[21:26] <crimsun> penguin42: are you using cryptsetup on said machine(s)/
[21:27] <crimsun> penguin42: if so, try purging plymouth
[21:27] <penguin42> crimsun: I have a crypted partition, it's not root and it's not mounted by default (and not in fstab)
[21:28] <crimsun> ah, yeah, my workaround really only applies for plymouth+enciphered lvm l
[21:28] <crimsun> lvm /
[21:28] <DanaG> hmm, try radeon.modeset=0?
[21:28] <penguin42> crimsun: I am using lvm, but as I say it works with the ubuntu builds so it's something in my config it doesn't like - I've built most stuff in
[21:29] <crimsun> ah
[21:29] <crimsun> do you use an initramfs?
[21:29] <crimsun> (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y)
[21:29] <penguin42> crimsun: I didn't, but I had to to get 2.6.33 to boot at all on lucid, that worked on initial lucids but then broke ~3 weeks ago
[21:31] <voidmage> i'm having trouble running games in wine on lucid, getting err:d3d_caps:WineD3D_CreateFakeGLContext Can't find a suitable iPixelFormat.
[21:31] <voidmage> installed the nvidia drivers using the instructions in the release notes (http://ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2)
[21:32] <voidmage> native games work fine, tested with savage 2 and ut2004
[21:33] <chowder> Begin mounting root file system... ...
[21:33] <Sarvatt> i think ia32-libs needs an update to fix that
[21:34] <penguin42> the daily 2.6.33 seems OK
[21:34] <onetinsoldier> chowder: it's working?
[21:34] <chowder> /init: line 219 syntax error: 0x5fc167c6-3fb7-4ac8-91d4-0ceaf47dddf
[21:34] <onetinsoldier> oh
[21:34] <chowder> onetinsoldier: if by working you mean "working its way toward a kernel panic" then yes
[21:35] <onetinsoldier> lol. roger chowder. sorry to hear that
[21:35] <chowder> next line...
[21:35] <chowder> Kernel Panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!
[21:35] <penguin42> chowder: Ah, your uuid is duff
[21:35] <chowder> Pid: 1, comm: init not tainted 2.6.32-11-generic #15 Ubuntu
[21:36] <chowder> penguin42: duff?
[21:36] <penguin42> chowder: I'd say you need to take the 0x off
[21:36] <voidmage> Sarvatt: well that's no good, is there a workaround?
[21:37] <onetinsoldier> i would say that.. duff = borked
[21:37] <penguin42> pity those kernels aren't built with perf - perf is fun
[21:37] <chowder> penguin42: only question is where is it reading that from
[21:37] <simba_> xserver-xorg-input-wacom now installs without any errors, but i still cant get the stylus to work. :/
[21:37] <Sarvatt> not that I know of but it is being looked into so hopefully wont be too much longer
[21:37] <penguin42> chowder: One of your fstab or your grub thingy
[21:38] <Sarvatt> do you have a serial tablet simba_? because it doesn't work with serial tablets yet
[21:38] <chowder> brb
[21:38] <simba_> Sarvatt, no idea, it is a x200 tablet. Probably is serial then.
[21:39] <Sarvatt> yeah :(
[21:39] <Sarvatt> needs an xserver patch thats not upstream yet, that does have a serial interface
[21:39] <simba_> Sarvatt, thanx, atleast i can stop searching where the hickup is now
[21:40] <DanaG> odd thing that happens with a samsung netbook I have: the multitouch touchpad... claims not to be able to do multifinger detection.
[21:40] <voidmage> Sarvatt: if there isn't an easy workaround, is there package i can downgrade?
[21:41] <Sarvatt> voidimage: no unfortunately not outside of going back to karmic, the packages from nvidia.com wont work on lucid anymore at the moment either. DanaG: *most* touchpads dont do multitouch but you can fake multitouch support with options, the windows drivers do that
[21:42] <voidmage> Sarvatt: of course as i say that, this one worked for me
[21:42] <voidmage>   LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/nvidia-current/libGL.so wine Wow.exe
[21:42] <DanaG> This one DOES do multitouch in Windows.
[21:42] <DanaG> handy hint in Windows: press alt-shift-i in mouse control panel.
[21:42] <Sarvatt> yeah but that doesnt say anything
[21:42] <CosmiChaos> is there a compiz ppa out for lucid?
[21:43] <Sarvatt> because you can use emulated multitouch and the windows drivers do do that, if it really supported multitouch the synaptics driver on linux would enable that and disable vertical scroll
[21:43] <Sarvatt> i dont remember the synclient commands to do it off the top of my head though
[21:44] <DanaG> The problem is, it's misreporting capabilities in Linux.
[21:44] <DanaG> It filters two fingers properly (most of the time), but doesn't offer finger>1 values.
[21:44] <DanaG> In Windows, the debug thing does clearly show multiple fingers.
[21:45] <simba_> If your tuchpad is multituch the pointer will fly all over the place before it is setup if you acidently get two fingers on it....very annoying
[21:46] <DanaG> Weirder thing happens to me:
[21:47] <DanaG> If I put two fingers on the pad, it sometime spazzes out, showing the cursor flickering between the two contact points.
[21:48] <simba_> DanaG, you have something like a bamboo where the surface is mapped to the screen?
[21:48] <DanaG> Nope.
[21:48] <simba_> DanaG, almost sonded like it
[21:48] <DanaG> But picture wiggling your finger back and forth across the touchpad.... and then speed it up so it takes only 1 frame to go across.
[21:51] <Sarvatt> adjust the EmulateTwoFingerMinZ value
[21:51] <DanaG> That's not the point!
[21:51] <Sarvatt> it would show >1 finger if it actually supported it
[21:51] <DanaG> I use emulation on one laptop that doesn't offer multi-finger...
[21:52] <DanaG> but I want real multi-finger support on the netbook with the touchpad that DOES offer it.
[21:52] <Sarvatt> because windows emulates it and doesn't tell you the real data you think it does support it?
[21:53]  * DanaG gives up trying to convince you that it is real multifinger.
[21:55] <DanaG> Synaptics does make me angry sometimes... they started locking out even the basic multi-finger detection that has existed for years, if the OEM doesn't pay for full multi-finger.
[21:55] <DanaG> I have an old Athlon XP-M laptop that can at least do basic multi-finger... yet my Core 2 Duo laptop can't.
[21:59] <DanaG> when'll ubuntu official repos have firefox 3.6?
[21:59] <DanaG> I can't use apport to report bugs on the ubuntu-mozilla-dailies.
[22:04] <crimsun> DanaG: it's in source NEW
[22:04] <DanaG> cool.
[22:05] <crimsun> it needs to be accepted by an archive admin, then it will build, and then it will need to be accepted from binary NEW, and then it will be published.
[22:05] <DanaG> I wanna' report a bug that firefox segfaults on http://pacificservice.org -- beware if you click that... it'll segfault.  =þ
[22:05] <htrejh> hello
[22:05] <DanaG> AT least, it does for me.
[22:05] <htrejh> i installed nvidia-glx on lucid, but i see theres no xorg.cong anymore, is that normal? what should i do to use the driver now?
[22:16] <htrejh> can someone help me?
[22:27] <onetinsoldier> chowder: hello. any progress/luck?
[22:35] <chowder> onetinsoldier: sorry, I was on the phone with the gf
[22:35] <chowder> but I'm back now
[22:43] <chowder> onetinsoldier: I really can't see what I did wrong
[22:43] <chowder> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4085a0de
[22:45] <dupondje> any serious issues in Alpha 2? or kinda safe to upgrade ?
[22:46] <chowder> dupondje: I wouldn't
[22:46] <chowder> its an Alpha for a reason
[22:46] <chowder> just wait until April
[22:46] <dupondje> April is SO long ;)
[22:47] <onetinsoldier> chowder: bummer
[22:48] <BUGabundo> boas
[22:57] <chowder> this is driving me nuts
[22:57] <dupondje> mmm, upgrade started, 1200 packages to update
[22:57] <dupondje> rofl :)
[22:58] <arand> dupondje: there's always the possibility to run a virtual machine, or to run it completely off a >4GB usb stick, if you just want to check out some sweetness (and unstable-sourness I guess).
[22:58] <dupondje> I know :) but ran Karmic since Alpha 2 also
[22:58] <dupondje> I know the feeling :)
[23:01] <penguin42> dupondje: Lucid seems good for me, I did try a Kubuntu Lucid Alpha 2 in a KVM guest and it really wasn't happy
[23:01] <arand> Yea, I was on jaunty from real early, but still haven't gotten to KK, heh. I love normal-installing to usbs though, since it runs very much like normal, just that there's no worries, not touching the disk at all.
[23:02] <chowder> onetinsoldier: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8713459 <<my thread
[23:02] <onetinsoldier> chowder: roger
[23:02] <onetinsoldier> going there now
[23:08] <onetinsoldier> chowder: ok, i read it. hope someone can help you. i bet someone will come along that knows what the problem might be
[23:08] <chowder> I hope so
[23:09] <onetinsoldier> err, i should say... has a good idea of what the prob might be
[23:10] <chowder> I hope a dev pops in and looks at the post
[23:11] <chowder> cause at this point it seems that only a dev can help
[23:12] <onetinsoldier> hmmm, maybe
[23:13] <chowder> average users have no idea that a kernel panic even exists
[23:13] <chowder> and most are asking how to get their printer working, lol
[23:13] <onetinsoldier> chowder: haha.. i had a thought
[23:14] <onetinsoldier> chowder: you know, if you compile you own custom kernel you have just all kinds of whizbang debugging options that you can enable
[23:14] <onetinsoldier> :D
[23:15] <chowder> true but it seems like an issue that is of my own creation
[23:15] <chowder> if it was a kernel issue then I'd have debugging on
[23:15] <onetinsoldier> yeah. that is likely
[23:15] <chowder> I'm just having trouble pinpointing what I did wrong
[23:15] <chowder> :/
[23:15] <onetinsoldier> it is likely a debootstrap issue or something
[23:16] <chowder> doubt it
[23:16] <chowder> the error message said that init did something wrong
[23:16] <chowder> /init: line 219: snytax error
[23:16] <chowder> then I get the kernel panic
[23:17] <onetinsoldier> i don't know
[23:17] <penguin42> it's a problem in the initramfs  - it doesn't like that uuid for some reason; did you find where that 0x came from?
[23:17] <chowder> penguin42: I didn't put that 0x anywhere
[23:17] <chowder> looked in the fstab and in the menu.lst
[23:17] <chowder> and the 0x is not part of the UUID
[23:18] <penguin42> interesting - it's not a kernel bug, it looks more like the scripts that get built into the initrd, the kernel panic is just because no one has given it a root filesystem
[23:18] <onetinsoldier> what about specifying the actual device and node old style, instead of UUID numbers?
[23:18] <chowder> I could try that
[23:19] <chowder> /dev/sda1: UUID="1249c9fe-420d-42fa-af59-08e203ff0cac" TYPE="ext3"
[23:19] <chowder> /dev/sda2: UUID="bcb5d1d8-3589-42a1-bca2-16186d38b561" TYPE="ext3" SEC_TYPE="ext2"
[23:19] <chowder> /dev/sda3: TYPE="swap" UUID="2a47f445-acca-4362-8a8b-969533f75d30"
[23:19] <chowder> /dev/sda4: UUID="5fc167c6-3fb7-4ac8-91d4-0ceaf047dddf" TYPE="ext4"
[23:19] <chowder> /dev/sdb1: UUID="5fd22423-cfb7-42f2-8aee-d221c3bde459" TYPE="ext3"
[23:19] <chowder> that's the output of blkid
[23:19] <chowder> the 0x gets added somewhere along the line
[23:19] <penguin42> I wouldn't be surprised if you're going to need to regenerate the initramfs somewhere along the line
[23:20] <chowder> I built my own initramfs when I was using arch linux
[23:21] <penguin42> chowder: How did you build it during your debootstrap?
[23:21] <chowder> penguin42: I didn't build it. I just installed the Linux kernel using apt
[23:22] <chowder> The initrd I'm using is initrd.img-2.6.32-11-generic
[23:23] <chowder> I'm guessing that upon installing the Linux kernel it was done automatically
[23:23] <chowder> unless I'm wrong...
[23:23] <BUGabundo> evening friends
[23:23] <chowder> hello
[23:23] <BUGabundo> anyone feel comfortable to clear a "feature" for me
[23:23] <BUGabundo> kernel/ext4 related
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I created a new folder
[23:24] <BUGabundo> symlinked all files and subfolders from pidgin .purple folder
[23:24] <BUGabundo> and opened it app
[23:24] <penguin42> chowder: I bet it's that which went wrong, whatever figured out the root filesystem device to put in the initrd went wrong when trying to do it in the chroot
[23:24] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Go on
[23:24] <BUGabundo> what happened was that the conf files that were in the route of the dir, were replaced from symlinks to real files
[23:25] <onetinsoldier> penguin42: i think you said it
[23:25] <BUGabundo> that was unskepected
[23:25] <chowder> penguin42: I have a feeling that you've hit the nail on the head
[23:25] <onetinsoldier> ya
[23:25] <chowder> only issue is how do I rectify this problem
[23:26] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I don't think a kernel would do that
[23:26] <BUGabundo> penguin42: kernel as in , FS code in kernel
[23:26] <penguin42> BUGabundo: No, I think that's purely a userspace issue
[23:27] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Let me get this straight; you created a directory (let's call it d) then you put files that were normally in .purple into 'd' and then created symlinks from .purple/thing into d/thing ?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> pidgin trunking the file (symlink) and creating a new one?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> penguin42: correct
[23:27] <penguin42> BUGabundo: And it was all fine until you ran pidgin?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> of course
[23:28] <BUGabundo> nothing messing with the file
[23:28] <BUGabundo> forgot to say, I run pidgin set to use the new dir (call it d)
[23:29] <BUGabundo> and not it usual .puple
[23:29] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I'd bet that pidgin decided to update the files, to do that it wrote a new file and in the process replaced the symlinks by the new file
[23:30] <BUGabundo> yes, I think that too
[23:30] <BUGabundo> but as I said, it was an unxpected behaviour
[23:30] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Applications approaches to dot files is rarely predictable
[23:31] <BUGabundo> since they were symlinks, I expected the app (and any app) to follow it
[23:31] <penguin42> BUGabundo: When opening for read/write that's true - things get a bit more random if they do things like create a new file and rename them over the top
[23:31] <BUGabundo> and since I recall the long discussion on how ext4 handled fs truncate differently
[23:32] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Nah the whole truncate thing is a performance tweak and it only changes behaviour as you see it if your machine crashes I think
[23:33] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:33] <BUGabundo> should I file a bug in pidgin?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> or you feel it's a _feature_ ?
[23:34] <penguin42> The behaviour inside an apps config directory is it's own
[23:35] <penguin42> it's not defined what it should do - I'd say if you symlink'd the whole of .purple it would probably work
[23:41] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Try this; touch a; ln -s a b; ls -l b; touch c; mv c b; ls -l b
[23:42] <BUGabundo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 bugabundo bugabundo 1 2010-01-23 23:42 b -> a
[23:42] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 0 2010-01-23 23:42 b
[23:42] <penguin42> right
[23:42] <penguin42> BUGabundo: And I suspect pidgin did a similar sequence when it updated its config files
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I guess so too
[23:43] <penguin42> it's the normal thing to do, and a perfectly reasonable behaviour
[23:43] <Volkodav_> will TB-3,0 be in lynx
[23:43] <Volkodav_> ?
[23:44] <BUGabundo> not sure
[23:44] <BUGabundo> I think it will
[23:45] <Volkodav_> not yet anyway
[23:47] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:47] <BUGabundo> only after next week
[23:47] <BUGabundo> first is FF
[23:48] <Volkodav_> 64 bit too ?
[23:49] <Volkodav_> you mean with alpha 3 release ?
[23:49] <Volkodav_> cuz daily builds are a pain
[23:49] <BUGabundo> FF 3.7 and Chromium daily work for me
[23:51] <Volkodav_> same here but updates are like almost daily though
[23:53] <Volkodav_> opera 10,5 is snappy
[23:55] <onetinsoldier> i am just playing around, but i may have just gotten ati fglrx-8.681 drivers to install
[23:56] <onetinsoldier> need to reboot to find out