[00:27] is Alpha 2 tolerable ? [00:35] b [00:53] anyone else having the fat jfs xfs ufs hfs hfsplus qnx4 minix exportfs msdos ntfs reiserfs fat and vfat modules randomly get loaded periodically? [00:57] Sarvatt: You've probably been running update-grub? [00:57] IIRC it will probe all your partitions for all possible filesystems. [00:58] hmmm that makes alot of sense since i update kernels daily and see it about once a day, thanks RAOF :) [01:04] argh, virt-manager doesn't let me create a new VM. [01:04] eheh [01:04] DanaG: sudo make new VM ? [01:04] You go to wizard, and type a name.... and nothing happens. [01:05] The only button enabled is "Cancel". [01:05] http://xkcd.com/149/ [01:05] BUGabundo is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. [01:05] (reported to where? I never did figure out where those went.) [01:06] sysmail [01:06] to root (if you have a MTA installed) [01:07] you login to a login shell and you get mail [01:14] dudes.... using the hard disk motion detection sensor thingy as default mouse is NOT a good idea! [01:15] heh. [01:16] whats the name of the module for that thingy on a macbook? [01:17] applesmc [01:17] thx [01:17] that should be fixed now though. have you not updated in a few weeks by any chance? [01:18] i just downloaded the live cd [01:18] because i want to make a bootable cd installer for my netbook [01:18] which is NOT possibleon mac os [01:18] without an .img file [01:18] -_- [01:18] *HATE* [01:19] the fix must not have been on the livecd you used but it should be fixed with the latest packages in the archives, you can rmmod applesmc to fix it for now though [01:19] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-New%20VM.png [01:19] yes, i unloaded that module :) [01:19] * DanaG has a lis3lv02d in his laptop. [01:19] now ubuntu has a usb-boot-creator thingy preinstalled? is that on the livecd? [01:20] summel: daily live? [01:20] we still have modules? [01:20] sounds like hes using alpha 1 [01:20] alpha2 [01:20] I though *everything* was builtin [01:20] yeah it should be on the livecd [01:20] ok then i just have t find it :D [01:20] * BUGabundo hands summel zsynx [01:20] a what? [01:20] iso upgrade tool [01:20] does it work on mac os? [01:20] :P [01:21] I run it almost daily for *every* iso we have [01:21] rsync works too [01:21] and mac better have that [01:21] virt-manager phail. [01:21] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-New%20VM.png [01:22] nope, pretty sure theres a unetbootin port to osx though [01:22] no only win/lin [01:23] like most apps ;_; [01:23] and the ones that have a mac os port dont care about mac os bugs ;_; [01:23] Sarvatt: are you kidding ? then why do ALL hardocre linux users I know move to mac, and say its just like linux ? [01:23] if there was an -img for 10.04 i could have just dd'd it -_- [01:24] * DanaG can't stand Mac OS. [01:24] yeah we miss imgs [01:24] The window manager sucks, for one. [01:24] why not? [01:24] gn yes [01:24] but archive admins don't want too [01:24] And Finder sucks. [01:24] finder is not THAT bad ^^ [01:24] and the wm is better then windows wm :/ [01:24] gnome-do FTW [01:24] kinda [01:25] well ther is gnome-do for mac os [01:25] :P [01:25] built in [01:26] Actually, I like the Windows WM far, far better than the Mac OS one. [01:26] hm why? [01:26] Can't resize from anywhere but lower right... really realy stupid. [01:27] What happens if the lower-right corner is under the dock, and the top is just below the menu bar? [01:27] hmmm but windows has no virtual desktops [01:27] Third-party software can remedy that. [01:27] and mac-os crappy-virtual desktop supoort > no virtual desktops [01:27] ewww [01:27] i wouldnt want to do that :D [01:27] Oh, and no maximize. [01:28] And double-clicking minimizes... wt-heck> [01:28] why would i want to maximiz a window? [01:28] i have a 32" display [01:28] :o [01:30] Compiz is awesome as a WM... once you get it tweaked nicely. [01:31] ewww [01:31] compiz sucks imho [01:31] <3 kwin [01:31] yeah, kwin is pretty nice. [01:31] GRR, STUPID VIRT-MANAGER! [01:32] LET ME CREATE A VM! [01:32] <3 tabbed windows [01:32] DanaG: use virtualbox :D [01:32] summel: I have a 26" and I maximize most wind [01:32] Can vbox do ARM? [01:32] BUGabundo: ewww *hides* [01:32] DanaG: uhm dunno... ose probably [01:32] on my laptop 13.3" I have compiz with Maximize plugin [01:32] DanaG: no [01:32] i want a multitouch tablet the size of my netbooks display :o [01:33] or a reverted mobile holotransmitter like the doc from voyager [01:33] <3 [01:33] me too [01:33] trying to replace my laptop for home usage [01:33] got it when I was moving around a lot [01:33] now I have an Android [01:33] ewww android [01:33] my laptops never leave home now .\ [01:34] :D [01:34] * BUGabundo slaps summel [01:34] i have an S60 Phone which i take out more often then my netbook :o [01:34] <3 opera mini/mobile [01:34] but i waaaant an N900 [01:34] Android Browser 2.0 (webkit based) rocks [01:35] i dont like android :( [01:35] is there something like krandrtray for gnome? [01:35] * DanaG is getting really angry at libvirt. [01:35] I mean, I can forgive failing to create an image.... but not even enabling the "OK" button? That's stupid. [01:35] * BUGabundo hands DanaG CLI tools [01:36] summel: you really don't know what you are talking about [01:36] * BUGabundo points summel to android-x86.com for eeepcs images [01:36] BUGabundo: ive seen android.... and used it... i just dont like it :/ [01:36] but i DO like maemo :) [01:40] so is there a panel widget thingy to rotate my screen with xranr? [01:40] *xrandr [01:46] yes [01:47] for open drivers [01:47] intel [01:47] :) [01:47] <3 [01:47] just go to creen resol [01:47] and tick the "icon option" [01:47] :o neat thx [01:48] hmmm can i tell that thingy to also rotate my touchpad? [01:50] ERROR Host does not support any virtualization options for arch 'arm' [01:52] * BUGabundo is in love with $ mocp [01:52] DanaG: told you so [01:52] you need REAL HW for that [01:53] summel: I remember reading a few bugs back in time on that [01:53] if it should or not rotate tp [01:53] ummm... qemu can do arm. [01:53] It's just libvirt that fails. [01:53] http://www.mail-archive.com/libvir-list@redhat.com/msg14332.html [01:57] !find qemu-system-arm [01:57] File qemu-system-arm found in qemu-kvm, qemu-kvm-extras [02:01] !find /usr/bin/qemu-system-arm [02:01] File /usr/bin/qemu-system-arm found in qemu-kvm-extras [02:05] why does ubuntu not support 2 finger scrolling? [02:12] summel: it does [02:12] not for me :( [02:12] but implies you lose border scroll [02:12] i cant check the checkbox [02:12] :o [02:12] ahh [02:12] i dont want that [02:12] 2fingers = way better imho ^^ [02:13] but the hardware supports 2finger scrolling... on mac os and windows [02:13] I used to have BOTH [02:13] wfm [02:13] but now we have "pseudo-choise" [02:13] ie only ONE [02:13] duh [02:13] hm [02:19] yeah, I griped about that, too... you have side or 2-finger, but not both? [02:21] i have side and none but no 2finger on ubuntu [02:21] but i want 2finger or both [02:21] but side scrolling is not important [02:21] ^^ [02:43] can i configure alt+tab to use all windows and not only the ones from the current desktop? [02:44] summel: not sure... [02:44] in KDE yes [02:44] I think compiz has an optiong [02:44] but compiz should know that too [02:44] i know it is possible in kde [02:45] <3 kde [02:45] metacidy doesn't [02:45] yes, but it should not be neccesarry to install compiz-config-thingy only for THAT option oO [02:45] no [02:45] in compiz there were different switchers with their own configuration in CCSM [02:48] >_> [02:48] compizfail [02:49] well, the only difference is that in KDE the settings diaglog is already installed, in gnome you have to install it first [02:49] no kde does not use compiz at all [02:49] since the default gnome keyboard shortcut settings are VERY... [02:49] per default that is [02:50] summel: well, yeah, but the kwin settings are part of KDE, the compiz settings are separate from gnome. [02:50] well, gnome doesn't have compositing by default [02:50] thats why compiz sucks :) [02:50] its an add-on [02:50] not properly built in [02:51] true [02:51] and poorly coded [02:51] :p [02:51] *that's* a different issue :P [02:51] :D [02:52] well, kwin isn't bug-free either, so let's leave it at that [02:52] hmm alt+tab also ignores the empathy contact list btw [02:52] i never found a bug in kwin :P [02:52] PID MINFLT MAJFLT VSTEXT VSIZE RSIZE VGROW RGROW MEM CMD 1/3 [02:52] 31621 32 0 34080K 978.7M 197.8M 100K 108K 5% chromium-brows [02:52] 5057 31 0 73K 652.9M 191.7M 64K 124K 5% firefox-3.7 [02:52] 31548 8165 0 920K 1.2G 141.2M 90128K 580K 4% pidgin [02:52] 32367 0 0 2130K 739.3M 103.4M 0K 0K 3% gwibber [02:52] 32316 25 0 4941K 246.7M 94460K 100K 100K 2% nxagent [02:52] never seen Chromium sucking so much [02:52] pidgin 1.2G VSIZE ??? [02:53] why the hell would pidgin need 140MB ram o.O [02:54] beats me [02:55] well I have 2 IRC server, 9 other protocols, and HUGE logs in memory [02:56] ok, not unrealistic then ^^ [02:56] BUGabundo: irc = quassel :) [02:56] the only irc client you ever need [02:56] :o [02:56] lol, I just checked and quasselclient uses 270MB here... [02:57] let's restart it [02:57] :D [02:57] thats the great thing... your log is not gone if you restart it :D [02:57] yofel: now add 4 gtalk, one msn, yahoo, aol, MANY plugins, 4 IM µblog bots [02:57] 38MB, MUCH better :D [02:58] LOL [02:58] my IO is trashing [02:58] and the only thing out of the ordinary that I have is mocp :\ [02:59] a simple ncursers app to play a dir of 800MB of music [02:59] should trash my disk should it? [02:59] iotop? [02:59] nothing about ti [03:00] 2nd thing I tried [03:00] argh, that "CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %" is annoying... [03:00] I'm low on memory after uploading 2G of email via email with kmail [03:00] DSK | sda | busy 12% | read 7687 | write 1993 | avio 6 ms | [03:00] PID RDDSK WRDSK WRDSK_CANCEL DSK CMD 1/2 [03:00] 31548 0K 424K 0K 77% pidgin [03:00] 4750 128K 0K 0K 23% mocp [03:42] Just tried the now-installable gnome-shell. [03:43] It's horribly, horribly, , ... slow. [03:43] As in, I press a key, it takes 3 seconds for the letter to show up. [03:43] 3 seconds of idleness. [03:44] What graphics? [03:44] ATI open-source. [03:44] Also, yay installable gnome-shell! [03:44] And it's not like it's hammering the CPU, even. [03:44] a WHAT? [03:44] It's just sitting there doing nothing. [03:44] lrwxrwxrwx 1 dana dana 7 2009-10-03 02:59 firefox -> firefox [03:44] argh, stupid firefox migrator. [03:44] firefox-3.6 was a symlink to firefox... so it moved firefox-3.6 to "firefox". [03:45] Hence the stupid circular symlink. [03:45] ehe [03:45] its fresh [03:45] so be ware! [03:45] let #ubuntu-mozillateam guys know [03:46] asac micah and fta [03:46] gnome-shell wierdness might possibly be vsync fun. [03:49] odd. gnome-shell doesn't do any of that here, but i'm on nvidia, not radeon [03:50] And gnome-shell likes Intel just fine. [03:50] what is up with that radeon driver [03:50] * shakes head * [03:50] I say, what is up with gnome-shell? [03:50] Nothing else acts quite so broken. [03:51] I mean, if I press a key... what is it doing with it to make it not show up? [03:51] Must be doing something weird. [03:52] i wonder what would happen if you were using fglrx [03:53] Last time I tried, it gave a screen full of garbage. [03:53] kwin and compiz were both fine, however. [03:55] BUGabundo: firefox-3.6 in the daily ppa is broken isn't it? Or is it just me [03:56] yofel: Archive should have updated version [03:56] it was in NEW queue [03:58] well, I removed firefox-3.6 for now and managed to get firefox-3.5 ailas 3.6.1~hg... to run from LIBDIR [03:58] so I can live with it for now [03:58] purge 3.5 [03:59] well, let's see... [04:49] 1 [05:35] OOooooooooooh: http://armdevices.net/2010/01/18/marvell-slim-desktop-solution-ebox-based-on-the-marvell-armada-510-processor/ [05:35] now... does it have open-source video drivers? [05:36] And can it play videos in wobbly compiz? =þ [06:08] http://armdevices.net/2010/01/19/sheeva-plug-2-0-and-plug-computer-3-0-at-ces-2010/ [06:08] yay, seems like everybody likes ubuntu. [06:08] =þ [06:35] in karmic if i hold down a key in a game in wine, instead of being held down the key repeats really fast. is this "feature" still present in lucid? === vish is now known as mac_v === mac_v is now known as vish === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre === arand_ is now known as arand [12:00] just installed 10.04 alpha 2 in vbox. Everything fine. Ran all available updates (like 175+) all *seemed* ok, reboot required. At reboot: "GRUB loading" appears, then there's only black/blank screen. [12:02] 2.6.32-11 kernel? [12:03] simba_: see, I don't know atm, since i had to reboot after updates, and now it just hangs at black screen. It installed latest updates ... might be the 32-11 ? [12:03] oCean_, try using the 2.6.32-10, [12:03] there's no grub menu to choose from. Only "GRUB loading" [12:03] doubt its the kernel, likely a grub issue. [12:04] is that box multi boot? [12:04] QPrime: nope, just fresh vbox [12:04] ahh yes... ok [12:05] I could try re-install, and leave kernel out of the updates.. [12:05] sounds like grub is choking right after the initial mbr load. :( [12:05] oCean_, know others had same problem with vbox and that kernel update...try searching bugs in launchpad [12:06] ah, ok. I'll have a look there. [12:07] simba_: why do you think its kernel related when grub never loads fully? [12:08] QPrime, because earlier ppl said they loaded 2.6.32-10 ok [12:09] might as well try another install and *not* update kernel [12:09] fair enough, but at the point of failure the kernel is not even involved yet. [12:10] Yea, I'm having the can't boot -11 but -10, on a VBox, but seems to be happening on physical machines as well [12:10] just did an update and there was a grub update... I'd point the finger at that first :( [12:10] arand_: but doe you get a grub menu on boot? [12:11] QPrime: Yes, do you not even get to the menu? [12:11] arand_: yes - grub is fine here. [12:12] I'm just saying that this issue (with a grub failure) is not likely a kernel issue [12:12] oCean_ claimed that after update he did not get a grub menu. [12:13] Ah, hmm, just joined, jumped into discussion prematurely :( [12:13] * QPrime points the finger at grub not the kernel. [12:13] so livecd, reinstall grub on the mbr and retry? [12:13] Yea, if no grub menu, definitely grub issue.. [12:13] 2nd install is on it's way, then I'll do the updates and omit kernel and grub updates [12:14] its grub2 so live cd and grub-install i would imagine [12:14] grub dont give menu if no other os installed [12:14] maybe a press something for menu, dont remember right now [12:14] simba_: it will with multiple kernels (or if configured to present a menu) [12:15] hold down shift on boot, if it's just a matter of it not showing up.. [12:15] simba_: no menu, even when there are 2 kernel versions? As i understand there was a -11 in the updates [12:16] oCean_: you should get a menu. [12:16] oCean_: only when you have more than two OSes I think, not when you have multiple kernels... [12:16] *more than one [12:17] oCean_, yes i have several kernels in my grub.cfg, but never see a menu, but i havent had any problems booting yet, so havent needed to look for it [12:18] well my test box is a multi-boot so I'm I'm likely wrong on the menu then. [12:19] oCean_: you can always force a menu via /etc/default/grub I think. [12:20] 2nd install is running, I'll have a look using live cd at first installation (the updated one) [12:20] oCean_, for grub2 documentation: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 [12:21] simba_: found that. Thanks [12:26] simba_: nice guide. [12:28] simba_: QPrime on original (and updated) installation, booted using livedisk, mounted system partition and did grub-install --root-dir etcetera, then rebooted, and still nothing after the "GRUB loading" [12:30] oCean_, you did grub-install from livecd? [12:30] oCean_: I running lucid on real hardware so I'm not sure what the issue might be. :( possible kernel/vbox issue? [12:31] ah wait [12:31] holding down the shift key while in "GRUB loading" screen does result in grub menu. [12:31] ok, grub works :) [12:31] trying to boot from the 32-11 fails, where 32-10 does boot! [12:32] kernel and vbox issue then possibly. -11 works on my test (real) box. [12:32] so we nailed it down to the 32-11 (in-combination-with-vbox that is?) [12:32] aah [12:32] what message does it hang on? [12:33] no msg at all. It reverts to black screen [12:33] what about -11 recovery? [12:33] from grub [12:33] well, and *now* the 2nd install is completed of course :) [12:34] QPrime: will try that now, hang on [12:38] QPrime: here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/361219/ "unsupported CPU model" [12:40] what version of vbox are you using? [12:41] and if you take a look at dmesg in vbox using -10 do you see the same message? [12:42] version: 308_ose (r53138) - and this issue appeared before: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1316262 [12:45] :( [12:46] QPrime: it appears in the dmesg of the -10 too [12:46] however, it does not say "checking hlt instruction", instead: weird, boot CPU (#0) not listed by the bios. [12:46] weird cpu :) [12:49] *grin* "gonzo cpu" [12:49] best would be to file this @LP, I guess? [12:49] I would agree [12:49] look for other reports as well. [12:50] as i said i think it already are there [12:50] QPrime: yep. I can narrow down the search now simba_ [12:50] it was unclassified last i saw it [12:51] * QPrime defers to simba_ [12:52] on a happier note I now can play with kms on my test box (ati) - yay! [12:55] thanks for the help guys, have a good weekend! [12:58] and you :) [13:14] I don't know if I said this before (apparently i had to register with nickserv), but: hi, i just upgraded to 10.04 and NetworkManager isn't finding any wireless networks. I suspect it hasn't found my wireless card. What can I do? [13:16] was it working in 9.10 ? [13:17] acicula, yeah [13:17] lolnic_, ifconfig show wlan0? [13:18] wlan0: Unknown host [13:18] lolnic_, might be a driver problem then. [13:19] um, also i have an external netgear usb ...thingy.. plugged into my computer to make it work so i can get help [13:19] simba_, how could i get the driver? (it's a broadcom) [13:20] BCM4312 iirc [13:22] lolnic_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/506816 [13:22] Ubuntu bug 506816 in bcmwl "wl missing after Karmic -> Lucid upgrade" [High,New] [13:23] lolnic_, looks like others have the same problem [13:23] so i would want to "sudo apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source && sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source"? [13:28] do i have to reboot fro the driver to activate? [13:29] lolnic_, no idea, [13:29] okay, may as well try [13:29] thanks for the help! [13:36] Are bug reports on Lucid Lynx first welcome when it reaches Beta stage, or also before? === ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca [13:40] edakiri: they are always welcome [13:40] ah exams over, running lucid now on my laptop [13:40] clean install, with updated installer, no problems so far [13:40] if you want to discuss your issue you're right here, if you need help on filing the bug #ubuntu-bugs is a better place [13:43] I haven't tried it. I think i will wait until code is 'frozen', shortly before alpha 3 I think that is. [13:44] edakiri: what issue do you have anyway? [13:45] There is 1 i especially wish to test that is in KK, regarding GRUB2 + USB mass storage. [13:46] If mass storage is attached at time of initial installation, grub2 will perform a long search on it during boot before timing out without finding what it seeks and continuing. [13:46] Other bugs i have found in KK, i have reported already on launchpad. [13:50] and then there is another that i have not looked for on launchpad yet, where LVM parts on the USB are not available early enough in boot. [13:50] I think i reported that one to debian some time ago, though. [13:51] it causes partitions to not be mountable at boot. [14:17] * penguin42 had problems with the kubuntu alpha2 lucid not working usefully on kvm, anyone had more look with the gnome version? [14:56] * penguin42 downloads to try [16:00] seems to work live, not happy with writing to the virtual disc [16:29] Is somebody running lucid already, with cryptsetup etc? [16:29] I'm thinking about upgrading.. [16:30] blueyed: I'm running one partition like that, but not the root [16:31] penguin42: thanks for the feedback. I'm thinking about removing encryption from root anyway (for performance reasons). [16:32] blueyed: I run full encryption on my work laptop and it's OK - I mean it's got a fast CPU though [16:33] penguin42: I have this running for quite some time already (Opteron 180), but my impression is that it slows the system down quite some.. and often seeing kcryptd taking up to 10% cpu.. [16:34] yeh, it;'s a security trade off === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:03] blueyed, you dont have to if you would have a new intel-core or a via-nono, those have a encryption unit for AES [17:04] also opencl/cuda got aes-applications to to encrypt files [17:16] howdy folks [17:47] Amaranth, you around this day? :-) [17:47] NoelJB: for a bit, yes [17:48] Amaranth, any idea why raise on rotate might not work (Lucid)? [17:48] I haven't filed a report on it, yet, since there were all sorts of GL related issues in Lucid previously, but those seem to be squared away now. [17:49] NoelJB: I don't even know what you mean :P [17:49] compiz has about 20,000 options, you'll need to be specific [17:49] Amaranth, oh? I thought that might be part of what you work on. [17:49]