[00:18] <kermiac> I'm testing hardy atm & persistence mode isn't working. can someone pls have a quick look & see if is should link to bug #263598 or bug #84591 or file a new bug?
[00:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 263598 in casper "Hardy: Persistent mount of casper-rw" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263598
[00:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 84591 in casper "feisty 20070210/herd5 persistent mode doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84591
[01:58] <atrus> is #484603 a security bug that needs to be tagged as such?
[01:58] <nigel_nb> bug 484603
[01:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484603 in indicator-applet "Lock Screen doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484603
[01:59] <atrus> ah, thanks :)
[02:00] <nigel_nb> i remember some tlk of it
[02:00] <hggdh> I would not consider it a security issue... from the point the system is set to auto-login, there is no security in place anymore. And there is a bypass
[02:00] <atrus> hggdh: this is *without* auto-login.
[02:01] <nigel_nb> it not a security bug (i think)... hggdh thoughts ^^
[02:01] <hggdh> atrus: indeed, sorry. Missed the 'not'
[02:01] <atrus> yeah, i assume he was specific because of how often the auto-login related bug gets reported. :)
[02:02] <atrus> adding my experince, "I've found my machine unlocked a number of times, when I expected it to be safely locked away. As it turns out, this is the culprit, I've been telling my machine to lock and it hasn't happened."
[02:02] <hggdh> now *this* is a security issue
[02:04] <hggdh> I have set Importance to high there
[02:05] <hggdh> (in my case, I run screensaver with auto-lock disabled. But whenever I leave the laptop, I manually lock it)
[02:06] <hggdh> atrus -- are you also affected by it?
[02:07] <atrus> indeed, commented as such, and just hit the +affected and +subscribed buttons :)
[02:08] <hggdh> heh. LP did not show your comment to me until I (again) refreshed the page
[09:55] <kermiac> wtf? bug #511512
[09:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 511512 in ubuntuone-client "unable to connect to cloud on start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511512
[09:55] <kermiac> oops bug #511514 actually
[09:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 511514 in debian-installer "my car" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511514
[09:57] <nigel_nb> kermiac, O_o
[09:57] <nigel_nb> kermiac, if thats a spammer... he has had to do some amazing lot of work
[09:59]  * kermiac chuckles
[10:03] <nperry> Thats dedication to spamming right there.
[10:05] <nigel_nb> hehe
[11:43] <xteejx> Morning all
[11:43] <qense> morning xteejx
[11:43] <xteejx> Hey qense :)
[11:44] <xteejx> Anyone able to change bug 451620 to Triaged, Medium please...I have Bug Control privileges but it's my own bug
[11:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 451620 in linux "[Hewlett-Packard Compaq Presario CQ50 Notebook PC] suspend/resume failure [non-free: nvidia]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451620
[12:45] <vish> xteejx: the linux kernel folks move pretty quick on the kernel bugs
[12:46] <vish> we could just wait for them
[12:47] <xteejx> vish: Not if they don't know about it...
[12:48] <vish> xteejx: tried #ubuntu-kernel ?
[12:48] <xteejx> Besides, 3 months without triage tends to mean it won't be done, but there's enough information, I'm just not allowed to set status on my own bug even though I could.
[12:49] <xteejx> Well I was going to just upstream it
[12:49] <vish> ooh.. i didnt notice the date ;)
[12:49] <xteejx> Although I should really test the latest mainline kernel...
[12:49] <xteejx> :P
[12:50] <vish> xteejx: btw,  .31-14 is an old kernel... there are newere kernels.. do you still have a problem with those?
[12:50] <vish> newer*
[12:50] <xteejx> I'm using Lucid now, should really update it, but now its a different issue.... sod it I'll close it, there's no dupes
[12:51] <vish> yeah , i'm on lucid too , the whole .31 series was very buggy [atleast for me] ;)
[12:51] <xteejx> same
[12:52] <xteejx> lucid suspends now and resumes, but X doesn't reinitialise properly :(
[12:54] <xteejx> bug 507108 is the current one
[12:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 507108 in linux "Compaq Presario CQ50-110EM resume failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507108
[14:02] <qense> jcastro: Since you're a member of registry administrators, I've created the https://launchpad.net/nautilus-actions project and imported the branch. How do I transfer ownership of the project to the registry administrators and add it to the GNOME Project at Launchpad?
[14:31] <cjohnston> qense: PM?
[14:32] <qense> cjohnston: I solved it, I justed made the registry team the driver and added the project to the gnome LP project, that'll do it
[14:33] <cjohnston> hmm?
[14:35] <cjohnston> qense: I had already reported that bug as a Lernid bug.. So I duped yours.. Mine is private though, as I made it a security issue (since it automatically loads the links and could cause harm to users)
[14:36] <qense> cjohnston: ah, other issue. That's why I didn't find a previous bug report.
[14:36] <qense> cjohnston: but does it really need to be hidden?
[14:37] <cjohnston> It did that by default when I hit security.. My thinking is that we don't want to advertise the problem though... expecially with the event next week
[14:37] <cjohnston> incase someone gets any ideas
[14:37] <cjohnston> your subscribed to the bug though...
[14:39] <qense> ok
[14:39] <qense> but I'm not a bug supervisor or driver for Lernid, so I probably can't see the thing
[14:39] <qense> to the bug report I mentioned there was already a branch attached with a fix
[14:40] <cjohnston> ic
[14:41] <qense> Did anyone already contact jono? I haven't heard much from him about Lernid lately, there are still a few outstanding merge requests.
[14:41] <nigelbabu> qense, I just fixed a dependency today
[14:42] <nigelbabu> I mailed him, hopefully he should look into it
[14:42] <qense> I hope so
[14:43] <nigelbabu> there was a telepathy-idle dependency which didn't come up coz telepathy-idle is included in ubuntu livecd, not xubuntu
[14:43] <qense> a lot of the connection problems are caused by Lernid not being able to handle running Telepathy Idle instances
[14:44] <nigelbabu> yeah
[14:44] <qense> When Lernid doesn't exit properly you won't be able to reconnect to the classroom until you kill telepathy-idle
[14:44] <qense> which happens quite often at the moment because the fix for quiting is in some of the pending merge requests
[14:44] <nigelbabu> qense, well, its all about accepting the merge, should be fixed when he puts a few hours into i
[14:45] <nigelbabu> thanks for the heads up about killing telepathy-idle
[14:46] <qense> someone should also look into Lernid's performance, it's quite slow sometimes. Even quitting takes ages
[14:47] <qense> but that's probably related to the disconnecting from IRC
[14:47] <nigelbabu> its not disconnecting properly I ink
[14:47] <nigelbabu> s/ink/think
[15:01] <om26er> vish, you there?
[15:02] <hggdh> om26er: BTW -- as soon as Brian is back he will set you up in bog-control
[15:02] <hggdh> s/bog/bug/
[15:02] <yofel> hggdh: define 'back'?
[15:03] <hggdh> yofel: AFAICR he is/was traveling
[15:03] <yofel> ah, thx
[15:03] <om26er> hggdh, thanks
[15:03] <hggdh> yofel: of course, this also applies to you ;-)
[15:04] <yofel> hggdh: I was wondering too why I didn't get a response from him yet, but I know he's a very busy person so I can wait :)
[15:04] <hggdh> yofel: this is most probably why
[15:06] <vish> om26er: o/
[15:07] <om26er> vish, is this a simple task? https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/497728
[15:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497728 in nautilus "Make default thumbnail size the same as the icon size" [Low,Triaged]
[15:08] <vish> om26er: it is simple , but i dont think it is really an improvement
[15:09] <vish> om26er: i'v seen the bug , i'v left it for later...
[15:09] <vish> om26er: a few bugs , i/we usually try for a few days to see if they are an improvement or not
[15:10] <om26er> vish, its improvement for sure as the desktop will have a consistent feel
[15:11] <vish> om26er: the icons look consistently aligned , but the image preview becomes small.. :(
[15:12] <vish> om26er: did you find the icon causing Bug 500392 , i'm not sure where it is hidden  , else its a simple fix :/
[15:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500392 in hundredpapercuts "Default application icon does not scale properly because of low resolution. " [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500392
[15:13] <om26er> I think both humanity and gnome icon theme have the same icon in this case
[15:14] <vish> om26er: yup , i'v been looking where the icon is hidden.. if i know the icon.. i can fix it in humanity
[15:15]  * om26er is searching
[15:15] <om26er> vish, /usr/share/icons
[15:15] <vish> /usr/share/icons/application-default-icon.png ?
[15:16] <vish> it doesnt seem like the one..
[15:16] <om26er> its named application-default-icon.png
[15:16]  * vish checks again
[15:17] <vish> om26er: i'v seen that icon , but the one used is different..
[15:50] <Noc_turne> when i do sudo apt-get update it says that everything is up to date, but when I start the "update manager" gui it finds updates! is that a bug?
[15:51] <maxb> No, the two commands update different things
[15:52] <Noc_turne> so how do i update everything from the terminal?
[15:52] <maxb> "apt-get update" updates the *indexes* of available packages which allow update manager to figure out what updates are available
[15:52] <Noc_turne> ic
[15:53] <maxb> My personal favourite is to run "aptitude" which gives you an interactive terminal UI for managing upgrades. The keybindings take some learning, though
[15:53] <hggdh> to say the least ;-)
[15:53] <Noc_turne> if i do apt-get upgrade will that work?
[15:54] <maxb> Less interactive ways are "apt-get upgrade", "apt-get dist-upgrade", "aptitude upgrade" ....
[15:54] <hggdh> also, sometimes aptitude actions are different from apt-get
[15:54]  * hggdh gets it every so often
[15:54] <Noc_turne> k thanks guys
[15:54] <maxb> Mainly in that aptitude tends to be more proactive about removing stuff which is no longer requited
[15:55] <maxb> *required
[15:55] <hggdh> yes
[15:55] <hggdh> but if one does not know about it, it may surprise
[15:56] <hggdh> also -- there is this thing about 'no longer required' -- I have gnome/kde/xfce installed. a chunk of kde packages are considered 'no longer required'
[15:57] <maxb> They won't be so considered if you clear their "automatically installed" flag
[18:00] <nigelbabu> thanks a lot hggdh :)
[18:00] <nigelbabu> how did I do? ;)
[18:00] <hggdh> welcome. Good presentation!
[18:00] <yofel> nigelbabu: great session ;)
[18:00] <nigelbabu> :)
[18:02]  * hggdh is feeling rather, er, proudy...
[18:03] <nigelbabu> hggdh, why?
[18:04] <hggdh> because of what all y'all are doing
[18:04] <nigelbabu> hehe :)
[18:05] <maco> nigelbabu: you're fairly new right? or just new to -motu?
[18:05] <nigelbabu> maco, hardly 6 months
[18:06] <cjohnston> hggdh: thanks for your help!
[18:06] <maco> and already teaching how to submit *good* bug reports
[18:06] <nigelbabu> maco, I've seen a lot of *bad* ones ;)
[18:08] <nigelbabu> maco, plus I've talked with dan about hardware bugs too!
[18:08] <nigelbabu> I hang out in -bugs and listen so much that I do hear a lot of what is said :)
[18:28] <om26er> if a bug exists in karmic and in lucid we have a new system for that matter( i.e. bug does not apply anymore) should it be marked invalid?
[18:28] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/501898
[18:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 501898 in rhythmbox "tray icon changes width on play/pause" [Low,Incomplete]
[18:30] <hggdh> om26er: no. A bug is still a valid bug while the system on which it was reported against is supported
[18:31] <hggdh> and, in this case, rithmbox was taken out of the standard offering, but it is still available for install on Lucid (I use it, for example)
[18:32] <om26er> hggdh, but when a bug is reported against for example empathy 2.28 we mark it fixed if fixed upstream in the current development series
[18:33] <nixternal> anyone here successfully using bughugger on kubuntu? it doesn't work the least bit for me
[18:33] <hggdh> om26er: not really. We mark it "Fix Committed" if it has already been committed on Ubuntu (a debdiff was accepted, for example), and "Fix Released" when the new package is published
[18:34] <hggdh> nixternal: failed with me also, on Gnome
[18:34] <nixternal> does it just freeze?
[18:34] <nixternal> I do the "Launchpad Says I'm Done" thing during the authorization, and it just freezes there
[18:34] <hggdh> nixternal: no, I got a conflict with quickly
[18:35] <hggdh> did not even get that far
[18:35]  * hggdh must clean up /usr/local
[18:35] <hggdh> om26er: if the bug was reported against 2.28, and fixed (and published) on 2.29/2.30, then it *is* fix released
[18:36] <nixternal> shoot, now it just worked :/
[18:36] <nixternal> interesting
[18:38] <nixternal> and I spoke to soon :D
[18:39] <hggdh> I remember Brian saying some actions could take a long time (due to LP searching)
[18:49] <nigelbabu> hggdh, you speak spanish?
[18:49] <hggdh> nigelbabu: I can read it, but -- for my life -- cannot *speak* it
[18:50] <hggdh> but usually can translate :-)
[18:50] <nigelbabu> can you help out the spanish user day
[18:50] <nigelbabu> they are short of volunteers to administrate
[18:51] <hggdh> as long as I do not have to type in Spanish, no problem
[18:52] <hggdh> where is it?
[18:52] <nigelbabu> hggdh, #ubuntu-charlas
[18:53] <nigelbabu> hggdh, #ubuntu-charlas-chat
[18:53] <nigelbabu> talk to diegotc
[18:53] <nigelbabu> hggdh, I suggest you join us on #ubuntu-learning
[18:53] <maco> hggdh: if people swear in spanish "no palabras malas" should work
[18:54] <hggdh> heh. Thank you, maco
[18:54] <nigelbabu> what does that mean?
[19:23] <nigelbabu> hggdh, how goes? polishing spanish skills?
[19:23] <hggdh> nigelbabu: indeed. It is usually easy to understand, just weird
[19:23] <nigelbabu> hehe :)
[19:24] <hggdh> nigelbabu: "no palabras malas" means "no cusswords". Literal translation is "no bad words"
[19:24] <nigelbabu> ah
[19:57] <yofel> does anyone else just get timeouts when trying to get a package bug list on LP? Or is it just me
[19:58] <hggdh> yofel: I was getting it on Edge. Standard is working
[19:59] <yofel> ok, I'm on edge too, disabling redirect...
[20:00] <yofel> ok works, thx
[20:02] <hggdh> welcome
[20:44] <qense> thekorn: When running zeitgeist-daemon from the Lucid package I get "ImportError: cannot import name config". /usr/share/zeitgeist does only contain the directory _zeitgeist, is that bad?
[20:45] <qense> the repositories have 3.1, btw
[20:47] <thekorn> qense, sorry, I have some guests around, can you please talk to RainCT or seiflotfy in #zeitgeist, or file a bug, I can have a closer look at it tomorrow
[20:47] <qense> thekorn: alright, I'll ask someone else then. Have fun!
[22:47] <hggdh> qense: thank you for taking two mentees
[22:48] <BUGabundo> boas
[22:48] <hggdh> boas, BUGabundo
[22:49] <qense> hggdh: I should have taken more a lot earlier, especially considering that my first stopped (temporary, he said) because of a lack of time, but I forgot to add more.
[22:52] <hggdh> I am happy no matter what :-)
[22:58] <yofel> hi ddecator ;)
[22:58] <ddecator> hey yofel, haha
[22:59] <ddecator> i'm trying to get more things figured out for BugSquad...i added the hugday tools, and i hope to attend bug days so i can at least see what it's like, even if i can't do much yet
[23:00] <ddecator> ah, wait
[23:00] <ddecator> i'll be in class during the meetings...
[23:02] <ddecator> wait, i'm a little confused...yofel, so bugsquad meetings are at 16:00 UTC once a month, but what time are hugday meetings held?
[23:03] <yofel> ddecator: the hugdays aren't meetings, they are like: 'A day when we all gather to triage bugs about a specific app'
[23:03] <yofel> everyone joins when they have the time
[23:03] <yofel> we DO have members from all over the world ;)
[23:04] <ddecator> ah, alright, on this channel?
[23:04] <ddecator> haha, true
[23:04] <yofel> ddecator: yes
[23:05] <yofel> ddecator: other than the bugdays, if you're new, just like jcastro said hang out in this channel
[23:05] <ddecator> yofel, alright thank you for the help, i'll make sure to be here every thursday to see what i can do. i emailed the mentor team leader to see what the status is in regards to me getting a mentor. i'm excited to be more involved =)
[23:05] <ddecator> and i have this added to my favorite channels so i can see what goes on between hug days
[23:06] <yofel> hggdh, qense: can you be a bit more specific about the mentoring?
[23:06] <hggdh> yofel: what would you like to know?
[23:07] <hggdh> oh its ddecator that emailed the mentor team leader. Hum. *Who* is s/he?
[23:08] <ddecator> -he- my name is Draycen, i'm a sophomore at depaul university and a huge fan of ubuntu. i love testing software and finding bugs, which i report, but i want to get more involved with ubuntu and i figured that the bugsquad would be a good fit for me
[23:09] <hggdh> ddecator: welcome :-)
[23:09] <hggdh> we will be more than happy to help you
[23:09] <ddecator> hggdh: thanks =)
[23:09] <qense> ddecator: Who exactly did you mail? Brian Murray?
[23:11] <hggdh> ddecator: BTW -- hi. I am a sequence of consonants that make no sense in English. I use to hang around, and help whenever I can
[23:11] <maco> "use to"?
[23:12] <hggdh> I am being humble, maco
[23:13] <maco> well i was just thinking you didnt seem to have disappeared
[23:13] <ddecator> hggdh: i did everything that the wiki states i should do (made a wiki page, got my launchpad account all setup), so now the next step said i needed a mentor. qense: i emailed Pedro Villavicencio (the BugSquad Mentorship owner...sorry for the delayed response, i was trying to find his name haha)
[23:14] <qense> ah, well you didn't have to mail him personally, although he'll probably respond to you. It is enough to follow the instructions on <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors>.
[23:14] <qense> Anyway, I'm off, it's already late here and I don't want to be too tired tomorrow. ;) Sleep well everyone!
[23:14] <hggdh> ddecator: oh, OK. Pedro is pedro_ here. You might apply for membership here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship
[23:14] <hggdh> have a good one, qense
[23:15] <ddecator> cya qense
[23:15] <ddecator> hggdh: yes, i applied for membership there, and pedro is the owner so when i just clicked the "contact team's owner" link because i didn't know how long i was supposed to expect to wait
[23:15] <BUGabundo> (11:11:59 PM) mode (+r-R ) by tsimpson  ??
[23:15] <BUGabundo> still spam probs?
[23:15] <tsimpson> yep
[23:16] <hggdh> lotsa
[23:16] <ddecator> wow bad grammar...sorry about that
[23:17] <hggdh> ddecator: np. We are still trying to straighten out the details on the mentoship, so I cannot say how long it will take
[23:17] <yofel> hggdh: remembered something I wanted to ask you: the bugsquad/Mentors wiki page mentions that you should apply to the bugsquad-mentorship LP team, when is one supposed to join the bugsquad team?
[23:18] <hggdh> yofel: the busquad is *still* an open team, so one should join as early as one wishes
[23:18] <ddecator> hggdh, yofel: any recommendations for what i can do to help while i wait to be assigned a mentor? i have joined my loco team and have been talking with them, but they aren't currently involved in working on anything
[23:18] <hggdh> it will be closed later on, so that we can find who is really in, and who entered, and moved on
[23:19] <hggdh> ddecator: you can join us here. Any of us will help you whenever you need
[23:19] <hggdh> this channel is the best channel to get (generic) knowledge on bugs
[23:19] <hggdh> ddecator: BTW, you are already here ;-) so just keep on
[23:20] <hggdh> and *ask* when in doubt. Nobody will bite you
[23:20] <ddecator> thanks hggdh, but is there anything i can do to help others? also, should i join the bugsquad team on launchpad then? sorry for all the questions, haha
[23:20] <hggdh> ddecator: feel free to ask. Yes, you should joing the bugsquad
[23:21] <hggdh> and to help... start looking at bugs that are in NEW/INCOMPLETE status. Find one, or more, packages you feel confortable with
[23:21] <hggdh> and start trying to figure out what is the problem the original reporter had
[23:22] <hggdh> and -- gain -- ask here whenever in doubt. Reading and following the links on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad will help you a lot
[23:23] <ddecator> so i can give feeback on bugs, just don't change the status of them at this point? or i can test the bug and try to confirm it? (but not mark as confirmed, just say i reproduced it?)
[23:24] <hggdh> if you test, and confirm, go ahead and mark it so (and add a comment explaining why)
[23:24] <hggdh> and you *can* change the status. The only limitations are (1) you cannot set a but Triaged; (2) you cannot set Importance
[23:25] <hggdh> notice I stated *cannot*. This means that you will be unable to, even if you try
[23:25] <ddecator> alright, thanks...so the best thing would be to pick a package i am comfortable with, go to its page in launchpad, and view the bugs? or is there a place where i can see all of the new bugs submitted?
[23:25] <ddecator> ok, good to know
[23:26] <hggdh> to see all bugs of a specific package <packagename>, you go to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/source/+<packagename>
[23:26] <hggdh> or just go to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu and search there for the package
[23:27] <ddecator> alright, thanks hggdh, i really appreciate the help. i'll go see what i can do and let you guys know if i have anymore questions
[23:28] <hggdh> ddecator: you are welcome. We appreciate the help. Please do not hesitate in asking here whenever needed
[23:29] <hggdh> maco: lately I have been only virtually present (logged in, but busy elsewhere)
[23:29] <maco> ah
[23:29] <maco> um that path was wrong hggdh
[23:30] <maco> its http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<packagename>
[23:30] <maco> (.edge being optional, but my correction is regarding location of +)
[23:30] <maco> ddecator: ^
[23:31] <ddecator> ah, thanks maco
[23:32] <yofel> ddecator: the more general information on how to find new bugs is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Untriaged%20bugs
[23:33] <yofel> as the page says, don't use the ML
[23:33] <yofel> (mailing list)
[23:33] <ddecator> perfect, thanks yofel =)
[23:33]  * yofel prefers the IRC channel
[23:33] <hggdh> indeeed, thanks, maco
[23:47] <ddecator> just for the record, i confirmed my first bug =)
[23:48] <BUGabundo> great
[23:49] <BUGabundo> now get fixing it :D
[23:50] <ddecator> ah, that i don't know how to do, haha
[23:51] <hggdh> heh. Don't be nasty, BUGabundo ;-)
[23:51] <ddecator> if i knew how gnome-panel worked, i would try =p
[23:51] <BUGabundo> jk ddecator
[23:51] <BUGabundo> triagger do important work too
[23:51] <BUGabundo> don't try to fix the entire world
[23:52] <BUGabundo> baby steps, baby steps
[23:52] <ddecator> haha, that's my plan
[23:56] <ddecator> is it alright if i change a status to "incomplete"?
[23:57] <yofel> ddecator: usually sure (tip: if you need help on a bug post the bug number please, like "bug XXXXX")
[23:57] <yofel> that way we know what you're talking about ;)
[23:59] <ddecator> bug 511623, i left a comment asking the submitter to be more specific, so i thought i should mark it "incomplete" until they clarify the behavior
[23:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 511623 in ffmpeg2theora "Two pass encoding worse than single pass for low video quality values." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511623
[23:59] <ddecator> 511632*
[23:59] <ddecator> sorry, haha