=== itnet7 is now known as itnet7_meetup === itnet7_meetup is now known as itnet7|meetup [02:25] Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! [02:25] Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! [02:26] don't click the links [02:28] Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! [02:28] Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! [02:30] anyone around that can +R the chan? [02:30] spambots are hitting harder than usual today :( [02:32] no, we're going to have far too many unregistered new users tomorrow morning :( [02:32] coming in from lernid and such [02:38] good point :( [02:40] we'll remove it in the morning [02:41] ok :) [02:50] ugghhh i'm so stupid.. === itnet7|meetup is now known as itnet7 [06:24] anyone here [06:24] who can help with ubuntu question? [06:25] will__, this is not a support channel, please in #ubuntu [06:25] i dont understand [06:25] saying go to #ubuntu? [06:25] will__, yeah, sorry, mistyping.. please ask in #ubuntu [06:26] ok [06:26] thanks === jjmde is now known as garyniger4354 [08:30] [08:30] whatsup fellow students! [08:31] ok === nigel_nb is now known as Guest58748 === nigelbabu is now known as Guest19591 [09:51] alright [09:52] here is where it's coming from === jesgar_ is now known as jesgar [11:10] hi [11:10] hi [11:10] what time does the user day start? [11:11] in 50 minutes [11:11] in 50 minutes [11:11] Oh awesome :) [11:11] heh [11:18] T minus 40 minutes [11:18] lol [11:19] everyone who is here for User Days, tweet, identi.ca, post about it in your loco channels, facebook, whatever else you use.. (smoke signals if you like) to get people to come join us! [11:20] cjohnston: is there an announcement mail i can forward to my loco? [11:21] popey: yes [11:21] ah found one [11:21] let me guess.. you want me to get it? [11:21] no, its ok [11:21] the one I sent out? [11:21] uh oh [11:21] lernid is causing errors [11:22] someone wake up jono! lol (jk, dont actually wake him up) [11:22] hah, so it is [11:22] cjohnston: what errors? [11:22] I just got that popey isn't a registered protocol as an error [11:22] an alert that says cjohnston is not a registered protocol [11:23] qense, I got cjohnston is not a registered protocol [11:23] popey really should be a registered protocol [11:23] sounds like eveyone has an error [11:23] I donnot! I must be registered [11:23] so lernid doesn't like it when someone mentions another nickname [11:23] popey, probably [11:23] i guess? [11:23] we can ask the tutors to make sure they dont do that [11:24] it is the colon on the name [11:24] ah, I understand! It is the URL parser [11:24] lemme try [11:24] thats gonna be really hard [11:24] is it AlanBell ? [11:24] popey: test [11:24] try to avoid all not http protocols! [11:24] AlanBell looks like it is [11:24] no colons today!!! [11:24] lol [11:25] If you've got questions related to Lernid, ping me, I've hacked on it, but I am busy [11:25] someone file a bug :-) [11:26] was that colon OK? [11:26] I just fixed a bug today === cjohnston changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Classroom || Ubuntu User Days starts at 12:00 PM UTC! || Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [11:26] Is anyone actually going to use Lernid's slide feature today? [11:26] qense, no === cjohnston changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Classroom Chat || Ubuntu User Days starts at 12:00 PM UTC! || Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays || Discussions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat [11:26] qense, we didn't want beginners to miss anything [11:26] No.. we requested they not [11:26] and adding ppa is not exactly beginner friendly [11:26] makes sense [11:27] which ppa should be used for lernid? jonobacon or lernid-dev [11:27] jonobacon I think [11:27] I think jono's [11:28] hmm [11:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/JoiningIn [11:28] freaky... sorry to all of you who are on lernid who I just changed your website [11:28] I just used the lernid-devs PPA and Ubuntu User Day comes up fine. [11:28] yes [11:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [11:28] ok, I had it fail to install from lernid-devs [11:28] qense, I find that when I open lernid and not enter a user name, I dont get that screen again [11:29] you shouldn't be able to not enter a username, I think ;) [11:29] umm.. why wont it go back... [11:29] btw, you want the ~lernid-devs PPA [11:29] hey, is this going to be starting at 7 AM american central time? [11:29] cjohnston, there is a drop-down thing for that [11:29] RPG_Master: I believe it is 6 for central time [11:29] its 7 EST [11:30] Soooo, in an hour? [11:30] 30 minutes [11:30] :| [11:30] the use of lernid is good for keeping people like me out of this channel since you can't talk in the classroom with lernid [11:30] GAH!... [11:30] haha :) [11:31] they are a clan [11:31] if you want to know the time you can /msg ubottu @now UTC [11:31] qense: good point [11:31] Should I sleep our stay up? :( [11:31] There will be logs later. [11:31] RPG_Master: stay up! [11:31] ah, avoid unregistered protocls [11:31] btw, what will happen when I do apt:lernid ? [11:32] not registered either [11:32] I've been playing RE5 with my dad so I was finally going to get in bed :P === OGGSmith is now known as habra_Smith_rus [11:33] btw, the introduction session at 12 UTC isn't on the Lernid schedule [11:34] nigel_nb ^^ [11:36] * RPG_Master is installing lernid [11:37] please don't use lernid until -classroom is muted [11:37] :O [11:37] AlanBell: Why? [11:38] it will automatically open links, if someone pastes one of those spam links here everyone using lernid will be k-lined instantly [11:38] AlanBell I wonder if maybe that is something that needs to be changed in lernid, that only voices or something it automatically opens links? [11:38] :O ok. thanks [11:38] * pleia2 sighs [11:38] 10 lernid users in this channel at the moment, including a ghost of me === nigel_nb is now known as Guest97501 [11:38] and counting :P [11:39] so that means we could get serious problems here L/ [11:39] are those spam links masked via some url shorten service? [11:40] Quintasan|Szel: I have not seen that yet === nigel_nb is now known as Guest36386 === openweek3 is now known as tnjulius [11:40] AlanBell: do you want this channel muted? [11:40] and take discussion to -chat.. [11:40] (makes sense) [11:41] popey: sorry for that [11:41] :O [11:41] Quintasan|Szel: its not a problem [11:41] popey: I am concerned yes, however the first session is interactive here [11:41] THE popey? :D [11:41] ...sorry :P [11:41] hah [11:41] people, please don't use : sign without http or https in front of it, it scares Lernid users [11:41] we'll mute it after the interactive portion of the first session [11:41] popey: I blame you :O [11:41] * dox_drum is using lernid. NICK. doxdrum [11:42] wt time is it? [11:43] KEPZ: very relative question... [11:43] <_marx_> KEPZ: "date; date -u" [11:43] KEPZ, the command date -u will help you [11:43] please DO NOT use : after nick completion, it causes error in lernid [11:43] yes indeed! [11:44] that ones gonna be a hard one... [11:44] anyone know how to change the default in irssi? [11:44] :O what does it do to lernid? [11:44] error [11:44] and the window takes focus when showing that error [11:44] RPG_Master, got a message. [11:44] annoying [11:45] : is the default in many clients - Why should everyone change to accomodate bugs in a specific piece of software? [11:45] Oh, well darn [11:45] Plus it's a standard part of common IRC dialogue as habituated in many *humans* minds [11:45] maxb, because the wiki encourages people to use this software for the Ubuntu Users Day [11:46] That's a bit of a dramatic failure :-( [11:46] maxb I just wnat to change it for today, so I dont have to remember to remove the : to make it easier for me [11:46] well guys, chill, its only for some time [11:46] anyway, you can use : in classroom-chat [11:46] its only here that you need to be careful [11:47] qense: the wiki for developer days encourages use of lernid, some people are *testing* it today. [11:47] qense: we are learning useful things about it already [11:47] nigelbabu, yes, but you're likely to be c&ping questions in [11:47] yes [11:47] like the fact that I'm not a protocol ;) [11:47] dammit! [11:47] yes you are Quintasan|Szel [11:47] qense, hehe [11:48] cjohnston, what? [11:48] Quintasan|Szel, tab fail ;) [11:48] sorry Quintasan|Szel i was meaning qense [11:48] oh, happens =P [11:49] such a pity [11:49] the bug is at , if anyone's interested [11:49] Launchpad bug 503502 in lernid "Whenever Presenter enters text matching '\w+:' lernid tries to open the URL in the browser" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:49] Ubuntu bug 503502 in lernid "Whenever Presenter enters text matching '\w+:' lernid tries to open the URL in the browser" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:49] Ubuntu bug 503502 in lernid "Whenever Presenter enters text matching '\w+:' lernid tries to open the URL in the browser" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503502 [11:49] Launchpad bug 503502 in lernid "Whenever Presenter enters text matching '\w+:' lernid tries to open the URL in the browser" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503502 [11:49] Launchpad bug 503502 in lernid "Whenever Presenter enters text matching '\w+:' lernid tries to open the URL in the browser" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503502 [11:49] loop! [11:50] one bot should go [11:50] nah [11:50] lol [11:50] :/ === pleia2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Classroom || Ubuntu User Days starts at 12:00 PM UTC! || Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays || Discussions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat [11:58] uh? [11:58] uh? === openweek4_ is now known as rent0n === openweek1 is now known as bejames [12:00] Hello everyone, and welcome to our first Ubuntu User Day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [12:01] To get things started, who is here for this and where are you from? [12:01] anonrock from bangladesh [12:01] Elizabeth from Philadelphia, USA :) [12:01] Yos from Israel [12:01] fvaresi from Montevideo, Uruguay [12:01] <- from spain [12:01] Penelope from New York, USA [12:01] Maxim from Russia [12:02] I'm from Australia [12:02] * _marx_ from North Carolina, USA [12:02] Russia, Yakutia. [12:02] Russia, Moscow [12:02] Chile [12:02] germany [12:02] nigel from India [12:02] Russia, Spb [12:02] Sense , the Netherlands [12:02] Austria [12:02] Kate, Boston, MA, USA [12:02] Szolnok, Hungary [12:02] the Philippines!!!! [12:02] Alan from England [12:02] Russia, Severodvinsk [12:03] * czajkowski is from ireland [12:03] Philip, Germanyy [12:03] Alabama [12:04] Anyone else? [12:04] <--- germany [12:05] Great! === chester is now known as Chester [12:05] So, what is this day all about anyway? [12:05] User Days was created to be a set of classes offered during a one day period to teach the beginning or intermediate Ubuntu user the basics to get them started with Ubuntu, including: [12:05] (sorry to lernid users!) [12:06] Learn how to install Ubuntu [12:06] Learn how to find equivalent programs in Ubuntu [12:06] Learn how to get help with Ubuntu [12:06] Learn the basics of how to use Ubuntu [12:07] Learn how to get involved in the community [12:07] And more! For our full schedule head over to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [12:08] User Days was born out of a discussion at the Ubuntu Developers Summit in November 2009 regarding Ubuntu Open Week not being targeted enough at users. [12:08] Over the past two months, many people have taken the time to help put this day together for you. [12:09] We will be introducing each instructor at the beginning of their session, but I would like to take the time to introduce the leads behind this project, and your hosts for today. [12:09] First let me introduce you to pleia2. [12:10] My name is Elizabeth Krumbach, I'm currently living in Philadelphia, USA (soon to be moving to San Francisco!) and I got involved with this via the Ubuntu Community Learning Project: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning [12:11] I'm also a member of the Ubuntu Community Council, do a lot of work with LoCo teams and do upstream development in Debian [12:11] Next we have Pendulum. [12:13] Hiya, I'm Penelope Stowe. I live in New York City (for now), although people online seem to often think I'm in the UK. I got involved through the Ubuntu Developer Summit when this was first suggested as an event. [12:13] Other things I do with Ubuntu include working on the Ubuntu Women project, Ubuntu NGO, and doing transcripts for the Ubuntu Uk Podcast [12:14] Up next is _marx_ [12:14] <_marx_> My name is Mark Cox. I currently live in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. [12:14] <_marx_> I began using Linux in '98 about a year after my wife and I bought our first computer for Christmas '97. We couldn't share that computer so I took an old clunker given to me by a customer and installed RedHat 6.0 on it [12:15] <_marx_> I bagan using Ubuntu with the 5.04 release. [12:15] <_marx_> I'm also involved with the North Carolina LoCo Team [12:15] <_marx_> I hope to be unique by being the first Grandfather in recorded history to convert his grandsons to Ubuntu instead of the other way around. The two oldest were dazzled by "the cube" over the holidays. [12:16] nigelbabu, is next. [12:16] Hi, I'm Nigel and I'm a computer science student from India who is a passionate FOSS and Ubuntu enthusiast and, like pleia2, I got involved via the Ubuntu Community Learning Project! [12:17] I'm a course writer with the Ubuntu Community Learning Project and a bug triager with the Ubuntu Bug Squad. [12:18] And I guess that I am last... ;-) [12:18] My name is Chris Johnston. I'm from Orlando, Florida.. (Go Florida LoCo!) In real life I'm a Fire Fighter Paramedic. [12:19] Around here I'm a member of the Ubuntu Community Learning Project, Ubuntu Beginners Team, Ubuntu Bug Squad, and I do quite a bit of work helping out with the Ubuntu Website. [12:19] thanks cjohnston! [12:19] Now, we will give you a quick rundown of how today will work: [12:20] Each hour, a presenter will be giving a class in this channel, #ubuntu-classroom [12:20] During the classes, #ubuntu-classroom will be moderated (+m), meaning that only the instructor and hosts will be able to speak in that channel. [12:21] Please hold all discussion about the class in #ubuntu-classroom-chat [12:21] If you have a question during the class, please ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat with the prefix QUESTION for instance, you may say [12:21] QUESTION How do you uninstall a program? [12:22] After each session (as soon as our volunteers can), we'll be posting logs on the wiki, so be sure to check back to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays if you missed anything. [12:22] Logs will also be automatically generated at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com [12:22] Since you're already here, you know how to participate, but in case you have a friend you'd like to invite, you can find some help on the Joining In wiki page, [12:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/JoiningIn [12:23] It gives you links to some client documentation, as well as the direct link to joining #ubuntu-classroom & #ubuntu-classroom-chat via a web browser. [12:23] <_marx_> You may have seen articles about the Lernid application which is designed for learning events such as this, you can certainly try out Lernid for User Days, [12:24] <_marx_> We should note here that lernid is still alpha software and as such users should be aware it may have problems. [12:24] <_marx_> we just won't be using the slideshow functionality this time. [12:24] <_marx_> More info on Lernid including how to install it on Ubuntu at [12:24] <_marx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid it would be great to have your feedback on Lernid at the end of the day. [12:25] <_marx_> We hope that this event can continue to grow and that we'll host more days like this. [12:25] <_marx_> Indeed, it's already inspired a Spanish version of the day which is also being held today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiaDelUsuarioUbuntu [12:26] The User Days Team has worked with Local Community Teams (LoCos), the Ubuntu Beginners Team, Ubuntu Classroom and the Ubuntu Community Learning Project and others within the wider community to bring this day to you. [12:26] For more information about any of these see their wiki pages [12:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams [12:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam [12:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom [12:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning [12:27] To quiet various noise that happens in the IRC channels during the talk use this command (in supported clients only) [12:27] type "/ignore #ubuntu-classroom CRAP NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS" without the quotes [12:28] If you are on webchat, Click on the small blue box on top left corner and click "Options." Add a tick to "Hide JOINS/PARTS/QUITS:" [12:28] Unfortunately, Freenode, the IRC network we use, has been hit hard recently with an influx of javascript spam. For more information please see http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/javascript-spam/. Do NOT click ANY other links that say you are infected or they give you more information about the spam. [12:29] Finally, before we get to some general Q&A in this introduction session, a big thanks to everyone who made this day possible :) [12:29] Anyone have any general questions about the day? [12:30] doxdrum> QUESTION - What does supported clients only means? [12:30] doxdrum> QUESTION - What does supported clients only means? [12:30] well, not all clients support the /ignore function. try it and if ti doesn't work, let us know your client [12:32] < HoellP> QUESTION how can i un-ignore stuff again? [12:33] For those of you, if the command didn't work and you're on X-chat [12:34] On x-chat GNOME, there is a checkbox for hiding/showing join/part messages in the channel context menu of Xchat GNOME (thanks qense ) [12:35] regarding un-ignoring, most clients have an /unignore option [12:35] < Deem> Question is this "tutorial" tody for all ubuntu versions? [12:36] we're focusing on karmic Ubuntu [12:36] but some sessions may touch upon other varients and versions [12:36] < starcraftman> Question - Where's the cake and refreshments and anything else edible? I could have sworn that was mentioned, if not, I say we make a last minute addition! [12:36] uuuh, sure! [12:36] * pleia2 shares cake ;) [12:36] * Pendulum hands out tea to go with the cake [12:36] starcraftman it was your job to bring the refreshments [12:37] * _marx_ shares "Sweet Eyetalian" light roast coffee [12:38] < gukk_devel> Question will special questions like hardwaredetection be answered, especially former xorg-stuff [12:38] there is a restricted drivers session which will seek to cover some of this [12:39] this will be jamalta's session at 16:00 UTC [12:40] Question: i never used an irc before. i think i got it, ignoring stuff in one window wont affect another or subsequent [12:40] windows? [12:40] For most IRC clients (at least that I know of) this is true [12:41] each window (channel as they're called on IRC) needs to have /ignore set separately [12:42] Are there any more questions related specifically to the Ubuntu User Day? [12:43] Question, How often a day like this one is hold? [12:44] This is the first User Day that has been held. [12:44] so we're not sure yet :) I think we're going to shoot for every 6 months to start out [12:44] maybe every 3 if we can get enough volunteers [12:44] Please let us know if you want them more or less often in your feedback! [12:45] < gukk_devel> Question is there a german version of this UsersDays planned? [12:45] There is nothing planned now [12:45] but if you'd like to help out organize, we can assist you [12:48] <_marx_> The more languages the better. [12:53] Any other questions about today? If not, we will start the next class in about 7 minutes [12:54] Okay, so that about it from our introduction session. Next up in a few minutes is "Switching to Ubuntu & Installation" by nagendra [12:54] If you have anymore questions, we'll be taking it :) [12:54] < Yos> QUESTION will there be a chance at the end of the day for making suggestions for the next user day [12:54] there is a survey [12:55] < doxdrum> Question - I'm interested in participate in future UserDays, Who should I contact? [12:55] me [12:55] <_marx_> t -5 [12:55] later please though. ;-) [12:55] or come find us in #ubuntu-learning :) [12:55] (but, again, later please) [12:55] http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WQWHJQY [12:55] is the survey for the day :) === cjohnston changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Classroom || Ubuntu User Days | Current Session: Switching to Ubuntu & Installation ~~ Presented by Nagendra || Please ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Ubuntu User Days Survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WQWHJQY [13:01] Our first instructor today is Guru Nagendra Prasad. Nagendra has been using Linux & GNU packages since 97. He is pursuing bachelors degree in computers. [13:01] His first introduction to Linux was RedHat. He received 2 CD's of RedHat Linux from my friend in 97 and tried to install it on his system. However he crashed his HDD at that time. [13:02] He has since learned how to install Linux on a system. In the year 2000 he started to teach Linux in an institute. [13:02] However at that point in time he didn't know about how to install audio/video drivers (Due to no Internet connection). So, he screwed up few systems. [13:02] In the year 2005 Nagendra joined Google and worked 3 years as a data analyst. After leaving Google in 2008 he have started working on his own project. [13:02] In the year 2008 he also developed a distro called Gubuntu, based on Linux Mint. It was a multimedia based OS, with all audio and video tools in it and bunch of few other stuff. [13:03] Before nagendra begings, I just want to remind people Unfortunately freenode, the IRC network we use, has been hit hard recently with an influx of javascript spam. For more information please see http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/javascript-spam/. Do not click other links that say you are infected or they are more information about the spam. [13:04] Also, please fill out our survey about today! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WQWHJQY [13:05] hi please let me know when should I start ? [13:05] now :) [13:05] Now [13:05] ok [13:06] so my first topic is : Difference between windows and Linux (Ubuntu) [13:07] their are few things to remember with you switch from windows to ubuntu that windows only supports FAT and NTFS file system however Ubuntu supports many file systems [13:10] while installing windows you will have to specify only one drive usually C-Drive however while installing ubuntu you will have to specify 2 different drive one for the ROOT (/) and another for the SWAP area [13:11] ubuntu uses a sperate drive for swaping files however the same thing in windows called the paging file [13:12] < doxdrum> Question - Is it better to have only / and swap than also the extra home partition? [13:13] is depends on you if you want to use another drive partation called home [13:14] apart from root (/) and swap every other partation will work just like your other dirves like d,e,f and so on [13:14] < zhukaster> Question: is it necessary to have swap at least 2x larger than RAM amount? [13:15] giving my experience it dosen't matters if your physcial RAM is larger then 1 GB [13:15] however it is recommended [13:16] < ehlim> Question is that posible to change filesystem witout reinstall ubuntu, said like from ext 3 to ext 4 [13:16] as far as I know its not possible [13:18] people always get scared when they see linux or ubuntu on a system but its just their state of mind :) [13:19] any other question about- Difference between windows and Linux (Ubuntu)? [13:21] so my next topic is -why Windows? [13:21] this is a question we have to ask ourselves [13:23] see if you are a basic user of computer like net surfing, chatting, listening to music and few office stuff why do you want to waste your money on windows when you can do the same tasks on any version of ubuntu [13:24] so their might be the next question that may come to your mind is why Ubuntu ? [13:26] Ubuntu is very easy to use, install, update, troubleshoot and you will get the community help as well for your issues how about that :) [13:26] any questions guys ?? [13:28] < jazz__> Question what do they mean "free as in beer?" [13:29] so my next topic is - Who need Ubuntu and who need Windows? [13:32] I don't know about others but in india ppl teach some programing languages based on windows like VB, VC++ and so on so for those they might be needing windows but for others like in small bussiness holders, shop keepers who wants to maintain their daily sales and purchase accounts they can switch to ubuntu as its free :) [13:33] their are so many different versions of Linux starting from Redhat, fedora, suse, ubuntu etc [13:33] its on you which version or distor you want to use [13:34] however giving my experience Ubuntu is the best one when it comes to linux :) [13:35] also ubuntu supports a large numbers of hardware devices [13:36] if you want to make sure if your computer hardware will work on ubuntu use a live media of Ubuntu and you will get an idea about it [13:37] < Jedemco> Question What is live media and why is it called live media? [13:38] live media is nothing but a complete Ubuntu OS which will be run on your system without installing on your HDD [13:39] its like this you have a viedo DVD with you and when you insert the DVD in your DVD drive you can watch the movie directly from DVD but only if you like you copy the DVD on your system [13:40] so the same thing applies here the live media gives you a chance to see how the OS is working on your system and if everything is OK then you can install it on your HDD [13:41] any questions guys ? [13:43] here are the few links which you might want to read about ubuntu installation :http://news.softpedia.com/news/Installing-Ubuntu-9-10-126370.shtml [13:43] http://ubuntuguide.net/a-step-by-step-guide-for-ubuntu-910karmic-complete-installation [13:44] < Jedemco> Question How long does it take to install Ubuntu? [13:44] Max -30 Min [13:44] again it depends on your system [13:45] < Jedemco> Question How much room does the operating system take up on the HDD? [13:46] basically you will have to specify 5 GB of free space for root and 1 GB for swap [13:48] if you have any question about how to install Ubuntu with dual boot please ask :) [13:48] < LuizAquino> Question What type of filesystem to choose on install? [13:49] you can choose ext3 or ext4 [13:49] < Jedemco> Question Can dual boot be done so that Ubuntu not the first choice [13:50] yes you can when you install ubuntu it will ask you to change the boot loader of you want [13:51] their you can change the OS order :) [13:51] < lannocc> Question better to install Windows or Ubuntu first? [13:51] better to install windows first then install Ubuntu [13:52] < userday20> Question, if i have winxp and an another linux distro. will i have to delete the partion of other linux distro, and then start installing ubunut or should i directly start installing ubuntu and i'll have the option to delete the other linux distro during installation [13:52] any more question guys I just have 10 min left :) [13:52] yes you will get an option to delete the existing linux partation [13:53] < lannocc> Question (followup) but doesn't Windows try to use up all available disk space? [13:54] no if you have already installed windows then in the installation Ubuntu will give you the option to use the free space of windows [13:54] in this case your windows will be safe as well [13:54] < LuizAquino> Question Is it save to change the size of a partition with Windows on installation? [13:55] 5 minute warning :) [13:55] yes you can and your windows will be safe [13:57] thank you all for taking part in Ubuntu user day. I wish a very good luck to you all and if you have any other questions please feel free to join the Ubuntu community [13:58] I still have 3 min left I can take 1 more question [13:59] Thank you nagendra! [13:59] you are welcome :) [13:59] <_marx_> thanks nagendra === _marx_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Classroom Chat || Ubuntu User Days | Current Session: Command Line Basics ~~ Presented by _marx_ || Please ask questions here; prefix your question with QUESTION || Ubuntu User Days Survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WQWHJQY [14:00] <_marx_> Welcome everyone to Command Line Basics [14:00] Up next we have _marx_ [14:00] Mark Cox lives in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. He has made his living as a carpenter since getting out of the Army in '85. [14:00] He has been using Linux since 1998. Mark has been using Ubuntu since 5.04. He hopes to be unique by being the first Grandfather in recorded history [14:00] to convert his grandsons to Ubuntu instead of the other way around. Mark's two oldest grandchildren were dazzled by "the cube" over the holidays. [14:01] <_marx_> thanks cjohnston [14:01] <_marx_> Today I just want to cover some basics. [14:01] < mick__> Question:: shell programming:: any good tutorials online to take you from newbie to MOTU? [14:01] Got an early question for you. ;-) [14:02] <_marx_> Hopefully when we're done you be able to survive the dreaded no X experience. [14:02] <_marx_> mick__, the linux documentation project bash [14:03] <_marx_> First a little lecture time. [14:03] <_marx_> Then we'll do some things [14:03] <_marx_> When we use the command line we are using a shell. [14:03] <_marx_> In this context a shell is the most basic way a user can interact with a computer's operating system kernel. [14:04] <_marx_> A shell is a piece of software. [14:04] <_marx_> Most GNU/Linux distributions use the Bourne Again SHell (bash) as the login shell. [14:05] <_marx_> The again part is because the first iteration was called the Bourne SHell (sh) which was released for unix in the late '70's [14:05] <_marx_> Beginning with the 6.10 release Ubuntu began using dash (the Debian Almquist Shell) as the default system shell. [14:05] Jedemco> Question: Is a "shell" also the "Terminal" in Ubuntu? [14:05] <_marx_> The default login shell is still bash. [14:06] <_marx_> Jedemco, yes for all practical purposes [14:06] <_marx_> when one opens say gnome-terminal you'll be using bash [14:07] <_marx_> Today we will learn how to navigate the Linux file system, [14:07] <_marx_> view the contents of a file, [14:08] <_marx_> opy and rename files and directories, [14:08] <_marx_> userdays3, yes [14:10] <_marx_> pipe output of one command to another, direct output to a file, [14:10] <_marx_> install programs, navigate the internet all via the command line interface. [14:10] <_marx_> Maybe we'll get to all of that! [14:10] <_marx_> For our exercises today I will be using the Gnome terminal. [14:10] <_marx_> I want to make opening a terminal a click or two faster so click Applications > Accessories and drag Terminal into your top panel. [14:11] <_marx_> This is just to make starting a terminal a little faster by not using the menu system === nigel_nb is now known as Guest70547 [14:11] <_marx_> I'm not real familiar with KDE and Xfce so maybe just drop the icon on the desktop to create a launcher. [14:12] < userdays3> QUESTION:Is there a difference between a system shell and a login shell? [14:12] <_marx_> lannocc, makes starting a terminal little quicker [14:13] <_marx_> There can be a difference between the system shell and login shell; on Ubuntu they are different. [14:13] <_marx_> ow let's open a terminal session, just click the icon we just created in the top panel. [14:14] <_marx_> Everyone have a terminal open? [14:14] <_marx_> I'm going to try to remember to wrap all my command examples with quotes around them so just type whatever is inside the quote marks. [14:15] <_marx_> I may forget so pay attention :-) [14:15] <_marx_> Okay first command "whoami" [14:15] <_marx_> Well now you know who you are! [14:17] <_marx_> Concept Where am I! [14:17] <_marx_> This is an important unix concept. [14:17] <_marx_> Where am I in the file system? [14:17] <_marx_> Let's use print working directory to find out. "pwd" [14:18] <_marx_> everyone should be in their home directory. [14:19] <_marx_> Okay, what's here? Use the list command to list the contents "ls" [14:20] <_marx_> no pm's please [14:20] <_marx_> ask in -chat [14:21] <_marx_> Commands can take options. [14:21] <_marx_> Try `ls -l` [14:22] <_marx_> now we get a long listing of all the files and directories [14:22] <_marx_> But this isn't all the files use `ls -a` to see all the files === Walt is now known as Guest71766 [14:23] <_marx_> Okay let's go somewhere else; `cd /` [14:23] <_marx_> and let's do a long listing of all the files [14:23] <_marx_> answer in -chat [14:24] <_marx_> any one long listing of all files [14:24] <_marx_> well it's `ls -al` [14:25] <_marx_> and where are we now? [14:25] < doxdrum> Question - is it important the order of the options? -al or -la [14:25] <_marx_> doxdrum no [14:26] <_marx_> everyone should be in "/" now. [14:26] <_marx_> pwd to find out where you are [14:27] <_marx_> well not seeing responces to where one is in -chat [14:28] <_marx_> okay let's all go home with `cd` [14:28] <_marx_> the command `cd ~` will also work [14:28] <_marx_> now `cd -` [14:28] <_marx_> and where are we? [14:29] <_marx_> that was a dash or minus sign [14:29] <_marx_> yep; "cd -" will take you back to the last directory you were in [14:30] <_marx_> ok go home [14:30] <_marx_> and list all files [14:30] <_marx_> we're gonna shorten up on some of this typing [14:31] <_marx_> `less .bashrc` will let you view your bashrc file [14:31] <_marx_> use "q" to quite less [14:31] <_marx_> we can shorten up on alot of typing by using aliases [14:32] <_marx_> type `alias` to see what aliases are set now [14:32] <_marx_> everyone have a output of current aliases? [14:34] <_marx_> oka to set an alias try "alias 'l=ls -l'" [14:35] <_marx_> now just type "l" [14:36] <_marx_> good question hhlp [14:36] <_marx_> it is not permenamt [14:36] <_marx_> ow bad spelling [14:37] <_marx_> to make an alias permenant [14:37] <_marx_> we need to edit ~/.bashrc; that file we just viewed with less [14:38] <_marx_> assuming everyone is in there home directories do "nano .bashrc" [14:39] < Crewsr3> so when you set up an alias without editing the .bashrc file how long will the alias work? [14:39] <_marx_> go to the end of the file and add the line "alias 'l=ls -l'" [14:40] <_marx_> Crewsr3, until you logout of the shell/bash session. [14:40] <_marx_> 20 minutes to go: how are we on nano w/.bashrc? [14:41] <_marx_> everyone have that line in .bashrc [14:41] <_marx_> save and exit the file [14:41] <_marx_> now bash doesn't know we've changed it's config file [14:42] < Yos> how to save and exit ? [14:42] <_marx_> in nano ctl-x to save and exit [14:43] <_marx_> so to make bash aware that we've changed it's config file we need to source the config file [14:43] <_marx_> do that with "source .bashrc" [14:45] <_marx_> so now you could open a second terminal and "l" should give you the same as "ls -l" [14:45] <_marx_> well i'm not going to get to everything i wanted to so questions? [14:46] <_marx_> Question: command to check available disk space [14:47] <_marx_> i like `df -h` and i usually alias df to that [14:47] <_marx_> ah info on commands can be found several ways [14:47] <_marx_> man info [14:48] < Jedemco> Question: I don't understand the concept of "alias." What is it and what does it do for me? [14:48] <_marx_> alias example: `alias 'df=df -h'` [14:49] <_marx_> an alias is like a shortcut; instead of typing all the options for a command we can type one or two letters to do the command [14:50] <_marx_> for the brave "sudo apt-get install mc" [14:50] <_marx_> this will install the midnight commander file manager [14:50] <_marx_> it can also do ftp and sftp [14:51] < Yos> Question what is the difference between bash and screen byobu ? [14:51] <_marx_> screen is like a console or command line window manager [14:52] <_marx_> screen starts within a bash session [14:53] <_marx_> anyone install mc? [14:53] <_marx_> start mc with `mc` [14:53] < Jedemco> Question: how do I get to "screen"? [14:54] <_marx_> Jedemco, just type `screen` [14:54] _marx_: is screen installed by default? [14:54] <_marx_> start mc with `mc` [14:54] <_marx_> cjohnston, not sure [14:54] I believe they would need to install first? [14:55] <_marx_> we could do 30 minutes on mc probably [14:55] 5 minutes left in this session [14:56] <_marx_> some other command line goodies are lynx for a web browser [14:56] <_marx_> and alpine for an email client [14:57] <_marx_> three minutes left thanks everone of coming by today [14:58] <_marx_> hopefully some of this was helpful === cjohnston changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Classroom || Ubuntu User Days | Current Session: Finding Helpful Resources ~~ Presented by starcraft.man || Please ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat || Ubuntu User Days Survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WQWHJQY [14:59] almost time to start, test. [15:00] Thanks _marx_ for that wonderful session. Next up is starcraftman [15:00] <_marx_> go get 'em starcraftman [15:00] * starcraftman waves to classroom. [15:00] starcraft.man is a Computer Science student studying at the University of Concordia in Montreal [15:00] He'll be explaining how to get effective help by understanding the problem and using useful resources [15:01] starcraft.man is involved in the Beginners Team and the Documentation Contributors [15:01]