[00:00] <crowds> my 'workspaces' sometimes get renamed to their defaults after reboot, any suggestions?
[04:29] <etron_> hey i  got some sound problems
[04:29] <etron_> any1 know anything?
[04:29] <nigel_nb> etron_, what kind of prolems?
[04:29] <nigel_nb> !ask
[04:30] <etron_> ok so i cant get any sound from my computer
[04:30] <etron_> i have no idea why
[04:30] <nigel_nb> can you first check if the volume is turned all the way up, installs sometimes have that problem
[04:31] <etron_> tried that
[04:31] <nigel_nb> okay, so you're running xubuntu 9.10?
[04:31] <etron_> yeah
[04:32] <etron_> hey im really sry but i gotta go i'll prolly b on later
[05:01] <DJCharlie> Evening all. Quick question. I have XFCE running, and have power management set to NEVER turn off the screen. BUT, after 10 minutes of inactivity, it turns off anyway. How can I stop this?
[05:05] <nigel_nb> DJCharlie, is that your screen turning off or your monitor displaying blank screensaver?
[05:05] <DJCharlie> nigel_nb: Screensaver isn't enabled, and the monitor says "No Signal" until I hit a key or move the mouse.
[05:07] <nigel_nb> oh, DJCharlie, sorry, then its beyond me :(
[05:08] <DJCharlie> Thanks anyway.
[05:12] <etron_> ok so i cant get any sound on my computer
[05:46] <alokito> join #kubuntu
[05:46] <alokito> lol, sorry
[05:53] <Balsaq> sorry for what?
[13:12] <brontosaurusrex> hello, is there an easy way to browse win network in xubuntu? via thunar maybe?
[13:21] <TheSheep> !smb
[13:21] <TheSheep> hmm...
[13:21] <TheSheep> !smbfs
[13:22] <TheSheep> !fusesmb
[13:22] <TheSheep> brontosaurusrex: ^ that last one
[13:22] <brontosaurusrex> thanks
[14:43] <ScoobyDoo> I Just added a new drive but now I get a grub error 15, If I remove the new drive I can boot back into Xubuntu. Can I Do that as well as have the new drive plugged in?
[14:44] <ScoobyDoo> Come on you know you wanna help me, Don't be shy :-)
[14:44] <charlie-tca> ScoobyDoo: have patience, please.
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Did you add the new drive after the existing drive in the controllers?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> On my SATA drives, I can go into BIOS and tell it the order of the drives.
[14:46] <ScoobyDoo> I installed xubuntu on the drive that was allready in it, Then I added the second and now I get the grub error 15
[14:46] <ScoobyDoo> I did try telling it to boot from both the first and second drive but I got a diffrent error on one of those
[14:47] <ScoobyDoo> Should have put both drives in and then install xubuntu, I'm such an idiot :-(
[14:47] <charlie-tca> So your second drive is trying to be the master drive, instead of the drive you had first. Tell it boot from the drive you installed on. The second drive will need to be mounted and formatted after the system starts up
[14:48] <charlie-tca> You won't be able to see the new drive at all until after you get to the desktop and then tell it to mount it.
[14:48] <ScoobyDoo> I luckly have the computer right next to this one I'm talking to you on, Hold On I'll boot it up and go into BIOS
[14:49] <ScoobyDoo> First boot device: Atapi cdrom: second: 1st IDE-HDD: Third: 2nd IDE-HDD
[14:50] <ScoobyDoo> Shall I try swapping the two IDE-HDD's?
[14:52] <charlie-tca> Are they on an IDE controller inside the box?
[14:53] <charlie-tca> Oh, nm. Yes, try swapping the two IDE-HDD's there.
[14:54] <charlie-tca> When you added the new drive, did you set the jumper on the back for a slave drive or for cable-select?
[14:55] <ScoobyDoo> First is the cdrom, Then it's 1st IDE-HDD, And finally It's 2nd IDE-HDD
[14:55] <charlie-tca> You placed the drive in the box, right?
[14:55] <ScoobyDoo> Of course
[14:55] <ScoobyDoo> Computers froze
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Did you set the drive jumpers for master and slave on the back of the drives?
[14:56] <ScoobyDoo> Sorry don't know anything about that :-(
[14:57] <charlie-tca> If the jumpers are not set correctly, the system is trying to decide which drive to use, but can't identify either one. You need to look in the drive paperwork for information on setting the jumpers.
[14:58] <charlie-tca> Are these using the red cable about 1/2 inch wide or a flat wide cable about 2 inches wide?
[14:58] <ScoobyDoo> Paperwork? Don't think we got any of that
[14:58] <ScoobyDoo> Hold on
[14:58] <ScoobyDoo> their's a cable with a white head, That has a yellow,black and red cables,
[14:59] <charlie-tca> What about the other cable you connected?
[14:59] <ScoobyDoo> I don't quite know how to describe that one
[14:59] <charlie-tca> Is it small, red?
[15:00] <ScoobyDoo> Well actully It's not a cable
[15:00] <charlie-tca> what kind of system?
[15:00] <charlie-tca> desktop or laptop?
[15:01] <ScoobyDoo> I think it's called a 'host interface'
[15:01] <charlie-tca> desktop or laptop?
[15:01] <ScoobyDoo> Hold On I have a better idea, I'll take a photo
[15:01] <ScoobyDoo> Desktop
[15:01] <ScoobyDoo> Gateway
[15:02] <ScoobyDoo> brb
[15:02] <charlie-tca> the cable with the white head, and separate wires is the power. The other cable is the IDE cable. It should be grey
[15:03] <ScoobyDoo> Yeah that sorta fits the description
[15:03] <ScoobyDoo> So their's the cable with the white head and the IDE cable in both Hard drives
[15:03] <ScoobyDoo> No other;s
[15:04] <ScoobyDoo> Isn't their supposed to be a little black one?
[15:04] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:05] <charlie-tca> Now you have to take the new drive out, look at the back, and you will see an area of double pins on it. One section will have between 4 and 6 pins in two rows.
[15:06] <charlie-tca> On the drive, it should tell you where to put a jumper for Master, Slave, or CS(Cable Select)
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Put that jumper in position S or Slave
[15:06] <ScoobyDoo> Ok hold on, I'll get my trusty screwdriver set
[15:09] <ScoobyDoo> OK, I've had to take all the cables out of both the drives
[15:11] <charlie-tca> now look on the drive for where to put the jumper. If the old drive had it on CS, put the new drives jumper on CS.
[15:12] <charlie-tca> If the old drive has it on M or Master, put the new drive jumper on S or Slave
[15:13] <ScoobyDoo> Hold on
[15:15] <ScoobyDoo> http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4535/dscf2043.jpg
[15:15] <ScoobyDoo> Sorry, I'm just too thick lol
[15:17] <brontosaurusrex> whats the deault text editor in xfce?
[15:19] <ScoobyDoo> OK the new drive is in the slave bit
[15:19] <ScoobyDoo> Lets boot Up
[15:21] <ScoobyDoo> WHOoooo! It it's booting up with Xubuntu
[15:21] <ScoobyDoo> wow that was actully rather simple
[15:22] <ScoobyDoo> scoobydoo
[15:22] <ScoobyDoo> scrappydoo
[15:22] <ScoobyDoo> Op's wrong keyboard
[15:23] <ScoobyDoo> Lets see if it sees my new hd
[15:25] <ScoobyDoo> charlie-tca! Bad new's I can't see the new drive in :/media/
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Yes, but you need to get a book and learn about doing all that stuff
[15:25] <charlie-tca> It won't show up on its own. You have to tell Xubuntu that the drive exists now. Just a minute
[15:26] <ScoobyDoo> I'm only going to be using the new computer for burning discs
[15:26] <ScoobyDoo> So long as it can see the new drive and has a nice quick cdrom, Everythings brillant
[15:28] <charlie-tca> try reading this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive
[15:28] <ScoobyDoo> I'm verbally telling it to find my new drive but It's not moving
[15:28] <charlie-tca> It should help you get to where you can find it
[15:29] <charlie-tca> I have told several drives where to go, unfortunately, some heard me! I lost three hard drives this month
[15:37] <ScoobyDoo> charlie-tca, Not out of the woods yet, It says I have to run 'sudo fdkisk /dev/sdb/' But it says unable to open /dev/sdb/
[15:37] <ScoobyDoo> I'm using the correct logical name
[15:37] <ScoobyDoo> Ops I put /dev/sdb/ Not /dev/sdb
[15:38] <ScoobyDoo> I'm such an idiot
[15:38] <knome> that shouldn't make any difference
[15:39] <charlie-tca> matters on a new drive
[15:39] <knome> it does?
[15:40] <charlie-tca> AFAIR
[15:40] <ScoobyDoo> I'm using partion nu,ber two, But their's 'No free sectors avalible'
[15:40] <ScoobyDoo> number one is apparently already defined
[15:40] <charlie-tca> What is the exact command you typed?
[15:41] <ScoobyDoo> In the guide it says to type sudo fdisk /dev/sdb   then n then p and then the number one
[15:41] <charlie-tca> What is the exact command you typed?
[15:41] <ScoobyDoo> I just said
[15:42] <ScoobyDoo> I'll try number three
[15:42] <charlie-tca> You hit enter after each one?
[15:43] <charlie-tca> you have to find why it is not working. Don't keep trying numbers, it might mess something up...
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Why aren't you using gparted? you could see if there are any partitions on the drive, then.
[15:45] <ScoobyDoo> Sorry brb I have to unpack the shopping
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Good MOrning, knome
[15:45] <knome> evening charlie-tca :)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> I looked in #ubuntu-classroom, seems like the user day sessions started about 12 hours early
[15:48] <knome> what? "oops"?
[15:50] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is me... the schedule shows it starting at 12:00 UTC, but they are already into the 3rd or 4th session
[15:51] <charlie-tca> According to my clock, it is now 3:51 AM UTC
[15:51] <knome> no, it's 3:51PM
[15:52] <charlie-tca> well... My eyes are crossed, then. Must be me!
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe that's why I miss most meetings scheduled for UTC times
[15:53] <knome> maybe. people should use meeting schedulers more
[15:56] <ScoobyDoo> Ok I'm back
[15:56] <ScoobyDoo> One coffe, One problem with ubuntu, Sounds like a good night in?
[15:57] <charlie-tca> sure
[15:58] <ScoobyDoo> Apart this problem with the new drive, The internet doesn't seem to like working with xubuntu, So I can't installed gparted
[15:58] <ScoobyDoo> Problem after problem after problem
[15:58] <charlie-tca> i see
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Try typing   mount   in the terminal and hit enter. It will tell you which drive is in use now
[15:59] <ScoobyDoo> clear
[15:59] <ScoobyDoo> Dam wrong keyboard again
[16:00] <ScoobyDoo> What am I looking for? sda?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> yes, sda or sdb
[16:00] <ScoobyDoo> Their's a /dev/sda1 on /
[16:00] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:01] <ScoobyDoo> The new drive's name is just sdb
[16:01] <charlie-tca> now in the terminal, type  mkdir /media/sdb
[16:01] <ScoobyDoo> Already made a folder
[16:01] <ScoobyDoo> HD-20GB
[16:01] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:02] <charlie-tca> now   mount /dev/sdb1 /media/HD-20GB
[16:02] <ScoobyDoo> don't ya mean /dev/sdb ?
[16:03] <ScoobyDoo> Ok it's done it
[16:04] <charlie-tca> no, I mean sdb1
[16:04] <ScoobyDoo> Yay It sees my drive
[16:04] <charlie-tca> now  ls /media/HD-20GB
[16:04] <charlie-tca> That's a small Ls
[16:05] <ScoobyDoo> Seems the previous owners left stuff on their drive
[16:05] <ScoobyDoo> Looks like window, BOOO!
[16:05] <charlie-tca> So, the drive is already partitioned.
[16:05] <ScoobyDoo> *windows
[16:06] <charlie-tca> But the fdisk commands won't work until you delete the existing partitions.
[16:06] <ScoobyDoo> One of the files reads 'Sarah's standing order and direct debits'
[16:07] <ScoobyDoo> Nothern rock 95 pund
[16:07] <ScoobyDoo> *pound
[16:07] <charlie-tca> so to clear the drive and use it, after  sudo fdisk /dev/sdb , you have to type d and then follow whatever it tells you. Then start over with partitioning
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Are you using this as one big drive or are you going to have several partitions on it?
[16:09] <ScoobyDoo> Rolf, She has theme hospital the game
[16:10] <ScoobyDoo> She also has mozilla firefox, I know firefox saves passwords in the appdata folder
[16:10] <ScoobyDoo> Lets see if she left them for us
[16:11] <knome> ScoobyDoo, please, we don't want to hear that. if you must do it, do it by yourself.
[16:11] <knome> ScoobyDoo, you wouldn't want someone playing with your personal stuff.
[16:12] <ScoobyDoo> I wouldent be stupid enough to leave my files for everyone to see
[16:12] <ScoobyDoo> She doesn't have a documents and settings folder :-(
[16:12] <knome> it doesn't make any difference. please stop telling us when you play with someone else's files. this is a support channel and that is totally offtopic.
[16:12] <ScoobyDoo> Ah ok, Well anyway thanks for your help charlie-tca!
[16:13] <ScoobyDoo> Xubuntu says thank you
[16:13] <knome> ScoobyDoo, have fun with xubuntu :)
[16:13] <charlie-tca> yw
[16:13] <ScoobyDoo> I think i like ubuntu better
[16:15] <ScoobyDoo> Ow well she deleted her documents and settings folder so nothing left to do but remove all the stuff
[16:19] <ScoobyDoo> What's the switch if you want to remove folders using rm?
[16:19] <brontosaurusrex> how silly is to install nautilus in xubuntu?
[16:19] <ScoobyDoo> -r right?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> ScoobyDoo: rm -r DIRCTORY
[16:20] <charlie-tca> see rm --help
[16:20] <ScoobyDoo> No wonder why
[16:20] <ScoobyDoo> I did rm -r -f *.*
[16:20] <charlie-tca> brontosaurusrex: depends on whether or not you want to use it
[16:21] <charlie-tca> you should be doing something like rm -r /media/20GB-HD/DIRECTORY_NAME
[16:22] <craigbass1976> Am I numb, or is there no way to print from gpicview?
[16:22] <ScoobyDoo> If I did rm -f -r /media/HD-20GB/ Will that remove the HD-20Gb folder as well? or just everything inside of it?
[16:22] <charlie-tca> take a look at man gpicview ?
[16:25] <ScoobyDoo> On ubuntu I would run nautilus with sudo, but xubuntu doesn't have nautilus does it?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> I don't know, ScoobyDoo. I think it will remove the HD folder too
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not have nautilus. You can use gksu thunar though
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Thunar replaces nautilus in Xubuntu
[16:33] <ScoobyDoo> I have a problem that charlie-tca can't fix
[16:33] <ScoobyDoo> This damn screw won't go back in
[16:33] <charlie-tca> In where?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Are you sure you didn't mix the screws up?
[16:34] <ScoobyDoo> In the metal cage that holds the hard drives inplace
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Is that the one in the front, holds the drive cage in
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Use a cover screw to replace it
[16:35] <ScoobyDoo> Apart from that Xubuntu has been preparing to delete the files of the drive for about 5 minutes now, I guess the computer's dam slow huh?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Make sure you have the cage in the right place, sometimes you can get them in off a little
[16:35] <charlie-tca> You are deleting a lot of files, it takes time
[16:36] <charlie-tca> You told it to erase that entire drive, and it might be full...
[16:36] <ScoobyDoo> I fear that since the computer is'nt all that up to date, It's gonna have a hard time burning .iso files to a disc
[16:37] <ScoobyDoo> The dvd drive or cd drive or whatever i put in, Has a write speed of x52
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Mine burn them fine, it takes a little time, sometimes.
[16:39] <ScoobyDoo> Why is it preparing to delete files? what does it have to do besides actully de;ete them?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> It is the way the delete works, I guess
[16:41] <ScoobyDoo> Manuly deleting the folder is quicker
[16:42] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:43] <ScoobyDoo> Ok time to start moving the iso file from the ipod nano to the computer, I bet this is going to take forever
[16:48] <ScoobyDoo> 2 Hours remaining
[16:49] <ScoobyDoo> What could that be, The usb thing in the computer, Or the fact that the computer has a low amount of CPU?
[16:50] <ScoobyDoo> I know the ipod nano is fast at transfering stuff too and from it so it isn't that
[16:52] <charlie-tca> It could be either one, or the amount of memory
[16:53] <ScoobyDoo> With the two ram unit's in it has 256 mb of ram, I know that's terrible
[16:54] <ScoobyDoo> Only started messing with computers hardware a week ago, just do it as a hobby
[16:55] <charlie-tca> That's why it is slow
[16:56] <ScoobyDoo> Because of the ram?
[16:57] <charlie-tca> yes. 256 is a minumum to run most gui s .
[16:57] <ScoobyDoo> Were getting another desktop computer tomorrow, Not sure what Ram it has, Lets hope its alot, Plus this computer only has two slots
[16:59] <acalbaza> how can i tell what version of grub i am running?
[16:59] <ScoobyDoo> I could do it with this computer, The one we bought, But where's the fun in that?
[17:00] <ScoobyDoo> Ok I'm off, Things i need for the computer are, Ram and possibly another usb thing that goes into the back
[17:00] <ScoobyDoo> Thanks for helping charlie-tca!
[17:02] <charlie-tca> acalbaza: in a terminal, type "apt-cache policy grub-common" and hit enter
[19:36] <brontosaurusrex> whats the prefered way to turn xubuntu into ubuntu?
[19:36] <brontosaurusrex> clean one
[19:39] <likemindead> Fresh install of Ubuntu.
[19:39] <charlie-tca__> clean as in remove all of xubuntu?
[19:39] <likemindead> (My preferred way.)
[19:39] <charlie-tca__> mine too
[19:40] <charlie-tca__> Only way to get a clean install is to start from the cd, isn't it?
[19:42] <simon__> hey
[19:43] <simon__> i am missing my panels, how do I restore them? i cannot find the answer on the web
[19:45] <charlie-tca__> !panels
[19:49] <simon__> many thanks :)#
[19:50] <simon__> for some reason I couldnt find that anywhere
[19:52] <charlie-tca__> Maybe it is kept hidden? I think it is because it under XubuntuPanels
[19:56] <simon__> I looked in the documentation and only found customising panels
[19:57] <simon__> yeah just updated alsa and have stereo again :)
[19:58] <knome> charlie-tca__, one should find it, it's on the faq on my blog
[20:14] <_blink_> Hey I have a quick question about xubuntu
[20:15] <_blink_> When I install it will it give me an option to dual boot it with my current os?
[20:19] <Karut> yes you will have a boot manager called GRUB
[20:20] <_blink_> Excellent thank you. I am new to linux and unbuntu
[21:11] <slow-motion> hi
[22:55] <FrozenFire[work]> Is there a simple way in which I can "replay" my text clipboard contents as key presses? There's a certain piece of Windows software that I'm running in Wine, which doesn't permit pasting into its text fields.