[00:11] hmm...to run boxee in lucid i had to manually add libfaad and libmysqlclient... [00:20] simba_: Faulty depends? -> file a bug ;) [00:21] arand, yes, but it was a karmic version and not from "our" repos, so i did it with boxee [00:22] arand, i just wanted to see what all the fuzz with boxee realy was [00:23] ah, okies, sorry, it was a kind of handwavey answer, I know nothing of boxee really. [00:24] arand, just read a lot about it in all the CES news...it is kind of a mediasenter [00:25] arand, have install files for win, mac and ubuntu.... [00:29] Ah, I've heard about that in a podcast sometime I think. Didn't ever dabble in mediacentres. Well I guess if the deb is from them the packaging bug should be thrown at them.. [00:30] just remember someone was having trouble getting it running the other day. [00:31] How do I need to change a previous HAL fdi file, so it gets handled in Lucid? (http://daniel.hahler.de/hal-configuration-fdi-for-kingsis-peripherals-evoluent-verticalmouse-3) [00:38] back on Lucid :) [00:39] wb dupondje [00:39] blueyed: I guess you need to change it to udev rules [00:39] start menu not translated yet ? :) [00:41] blueyed: perhaps does this give you enough hints how to transform it: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/lucid/annotate/head%3A/debian/66-xorg-synaptics.rules [00:42] thanks geser, I've found https://wiki.kubuntu.org/X/InputConfiguration#Migration%20from%20hal%20FDI%20files already [00:43] even better :) [00:44] * geser bookmarks this page on the ubuntu wiki [00:49] yay, it worked, thanks. [00:49] removing tons of packages :) [00:49] marking all manually installed packages as autoinstalled, and then select the ones you need :) [01:02] 176 packages removed :) [01:07] dupondje, what is the command for that? [01:08] simba_: auto-remove [01:09] BUGabundo, autoremove will remove them, but mark all maualy installed as autoinstalled [01:10] I still got firefox 3.0.7 languages installed, any idea how to remove them ? [01:10] purge? [01:10] I have used debootstrap to create a hardy chroot (console-only). I then upgraded that to lucid by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and "aptitude udpate;aptitude". I'm stuck with this error: http://paste.debian.net/57461/ for which google does not seem to have an answer. Do you? bug or PEBKAC? [01:11] BUGabundo: doesn't seem to have a package installed :s [01:12] /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-nl@firefox-3.0.ubuntu.com [01:12] found :) [01:17] nuke it :P [01:19] Laibsch, do you need to mount sysfs and proc when installing with debootstrap? [01:19] simba_: I used to [01:19] This time proc was already mounted [01:19] And I think sysfs, too [01:20] yes, sysfs seems to have been mounted automatically [01:20] The host runs hardy, btw [01:20] the chroot has been updated from hardy to lucid [01:20] havent used debootsrap, but that was what i could think of [01:22] Laibsch, there are a few versions between hardy and lucid [01:22] I think that update-path is supported [01:22] LTS -> LTS [01:23] true, [01:26] I tend to think it's PEBKAC, but I can't rule out a bug. If it was a bug, I wonder what package it may be. [01:39] Laibsch: Upgrading Hardy->Lucid by changing the series in sources.list isn't really supported; what will be supported is upgrading via update-manager (and it's command-line brother, do-release-upgrade) [01:40] OK [01:40] I'll restart the chroot [01:41] I don't think Hardy's update-manager has been taught about Lucid yet, either. I don't *think* Hardy->Lucid upgrades are supported just yet. [01:41] I see [01:42] I'm not convinced that is the root cause of this, anyway [01:44] Laibsch, some of the pachages have a chicken-egg thing....to far leap might brake dependency's with to big leaps when installing one by one like apt-get does [01:55] Laibsch: Oh. Now that I've actually looked at your error, that'll be due to the DBus system daemon not running. [01:56] I think. Possibly it's because upstart's not running, because it's detected you're in a chroot. [01:56] Do I add medibuntu as usual or it is different for lynx ? [01:56] yes, there is something about upstart in the log [01:56] will a hardy host even be able to accomodate a lucid chroot? [01:56] Volkodav_, as usual [01:57] thanks [01:58] Laibsch: I think that some stuff just won't try to start; I'm fairly sure Lucid's udev won't work with the kernel in Hardy. [01:59] All I do in hary itself in maintain the chroot [01:59] The chroot itself shall be used for booting computers over PXE [01:59] s/hary/hardy/ [02:00] Interesting. I'm pretty sure that you should be able to get a lucid chroot happening, even under Hardy. [02:03] Laibsch, apt with --force option dont work either? [02:03] I've already removed the chroot [02:03] and have restarted [03:12] upraded to lucid, wired connection not working. ifconfig shows i have an ip address and my nfs mount is working. [03:13] i can also ssh to this machine from another machine.. [03:27] prefrontal: can you define 'not working'? You can't access the internet? [03:28] what does 'ping google.com' in a terminal tell you? maybe the DNS setup is wrong [06:30] hi. when i install recommended nvidia driver from jockey-gtk i got an error msg like this http://is.gd/6UWB8 and then i try to restart the computer but it seems that i've installed wrong driver like this http://is.gd/6UX1p [06:38] and this is the the output from jockey.log http://pastebin.ca/1763693 [10:22] how can i troubleshoot locale-problems? [10:43] Lucid just feels a bit better then Karmic :) [10:43] nice improvement [10:46] everythign feels a bit better then the previous [10:47] except my terminal -.- [10:48] :) the user settings programm seems fucked up, I set my user to administrator, but nothing changes when I click ok, it keeps telling 'custom' :) [10:58] firefox 3.6 coming when? [11:04] 501. By Alexander Sack 19 hours ago [11:04] releasing version 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 [11:04] they are working on it :D [11:05] sauce? [11:07] i got it from the ppa :p [11:07] which [11:07] anyone able to shed light on why ubuntu karmic refuses to boot at all? [11:07] (the release version, not hg) [11:29] somebody should push new versions of synce to Lucid :) [11:38] hi, i'm using alpha2 and have an ati card. is it possible that the ati drivers aren't compatible with the latest xorg-server? because my X always complains that is runs in safe mode [11:46] junkY_San: in release notes there is a warning about that [11:47] The fglrx binary driver for ATI video chipsets does not yet support the X server in Lucid. As a workaround, users should use the open source -ati driver instead. (506656) [11:48] ah thanks [12:53] hi. when i install recommended nvidia driver from jockey-gtk i got an error msg like this http://is.gd/6UWB8 and then i try to restart the computer but it seems that i've installed wrong driver like this http://is.gd/6UX1p and this is the the output from jockey.log http://pastebin.ca/1763693 [13:06] hi, i have texlive in status held back for almost a week now [13:06] is it save to dist-upgrade? it wants to remove texlive-base-bin, dvipdfmx and libkadm5srv6 [13:08] meh, petsounds gone already... [13:10] knittl: texlive-base-bin got replaced with texlive-binaries so it's removal is ok [13:10] libkadm5srv6 is unreleated to TeX [13:12] ok, i'll dist-upgrade then. thanks geser [13:13] need to get 500 mb of archives. texlive is HUUUGE [13:19] finaly got the radeon driver working again with 3d acceleration. there were some strange libgl packages installed [13:34] pidgin icon went fucked :p [13:34] its now with a big white border ... [13:34] any idea ? :) [13:46] sometime in the last week gnome shell got installable [13:53] hmm but apparently not usable [14:27] hey guys I am on lucid and am somewhat a newbie at installation fom source. [14:27] I need the latest version of a program called tucan so I did [14:27] svn co https://forja.rediris.es/svn/cusl3-tucan/trunk [14:27] in terminal after installing svn [14:27] now what is the next step I got the long list of output alongwith [14:27] Checked out revision 1396. [14:27] now what to do? [14:28] where are the files downloaded to? how to compile? please soemone help [14:37] cd trunk && sudo make install [14:40] i have an existing karmic installation, and a free partition that i would like to use to test lucid. if i install it there, and choose not to install a boodloader, will karmic's GRUB pick it up when i next run update-grub? [14:42] diverse_izzue: I don't think so [14:43] penguin42, how would you parallel install the two? [14:44] diverse_izzue: I typically install in a vm for testing, but I think the otherway might be to install the bootloader in the partition that you are installing lucid into and then tell the first grub to chainload the 2nd - I don't know the syntax on gnome2 to do that though [14:45] penguin42, that's what i was thinking also, but i know that grub2 has some scripts to incorporate other linuxes, that's why i ask [14:45] diverse_izzue: It might, I've not tried to do taht - but I don't think so [14:46] chris|: that seemed to have worked [14:46] next what do I do I mean how do I run it. I had earlier installed tucan from the repos so now is that version itself updated? [14:46] can I run this latest version (from source) by using the applications menu icon of tucan [14:55] diverse_izzue, just install it side by side it`ll pick up the other linux [14:56] duffydack, thanks, that's what i wanted to hear [14:57] diverse_izzue, I removed mine ealier (lucid). rebooted into karmic, removed the partition and dod sudo grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda to restore grub [14:57] dod=did [14:58] duffydack, so you had lucid's grub installed into the MBR? [14:59] diverse_izzue, yes. it was the default boot distro [14:59] duffydack, i plan to not install a bootloader for lucid and use karmic's for the time being [15:01] diverse_izzue, I guess update-grub will invoke os-prober and handle it for you.. never tried [15:01] diverse_izzue, I wanna try some of this. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/make-grub-themes-beautiful-look-nicer.html [15:02] looks sweet, but this is my primary machine, playing so much with the boot loader is asking for trouble *g [15:03] diverse_izzue, thats why ive got a clonezilla backup of everything sat on my usb hd :) [15:06] diverse_izzue, could use wubi I guess? [15:12] i do regular backups too, still, one easily looses a lot of time restoring [15:41] sudo lshw messed up my screen (all turned green), had to do , to fix it...anyone else have this? [15:44] simba_: It's OK here [15:44] all fine here too [15:45] what gfx caru u use? === Adys_ is now known as Adys [15:45] i have a intel... [15:45] nvidia 9800gtx+ [15:45] mine is radeon [15:46] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa <-- added this ppa updated and nothing is listed to upgrade. Any ideas? [15:46] anyone using intel i915 driver? [15:47] xguru: packages should already be in lucid, then. [15:48] http://www.clickonf5.org/linux/ubuntu-lucid-windows-aero-style-transparent-look/6038 <-- desktop doesn't look like this...is there something i have to enable? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:07] is the daily build installer working for 32 bit intel? [17:24] where to put x11vnc line in lucid for being able to connect at login? [17:26] simba_, /etc/init.d but you need to make it into a script [17:27] simba_: Do you mean so that you can login via vnc or do you mean so that when you do login it immediately starts? [17:28] the two are quite different [17:28] BluesKaj, it used to be just a line in gdm.conf just afther path.... [17:29] then try that [17:29] penguin42, so i can use vnc when gdm gives login screen [17:29] simba_: are you sure you want x11vnc? Another way to do the same thing is to run a VNC Xserver and then have gdm start on that X server as well as your default one? [17:31] yeah, that might be better, just used to x11vnc sins it shows the same as the screen....but i dont need it now sins it will be a remote box in time [17:31] having said that, I'm not sure what the right way to get gdm to start that is [17:32] if i am lucky the install script might do the job *hoping* === Floops[w]1 is now known as Fringe [17:39] any idea why my pidgin icon is messed up ? :) its now in a white box .. :) [17:59] this works for lucid to for x11vnc: http://flukylogs.blogspot.com/2009/11/setting-up-vnc-for-gdm-login.html [18:45] simba_: so that gets you a vnc shared with the display you can see on your real display? [18:49] penguin42, yes [18:51] simba_: It is possible to make them actually seperate displays by getting the gdm to start on an Xvncserver - but I can't find a modern recipy for that [18:53] i still don't have umlauts in my gnome-terminal [18:53] but i think i'm closer to the solution [18:53] some site mention to edit /etc/environment, but i wanted to ask if there is another solution? [18:54] it's only since karmic [18:54] und X/gdm seem to reset the locale, because my ttys work perfectly [19:06] yay, kde4.4 rc2 has a sane KDM backround again :) [19:31] how can i remove the debug stuff from 10.04? [19:32] what debug stuff? [19:32] koud: notify-osd? [19:32] for the osd forexample [19:32] yeah [19:32] eheh [19:32] I have a bug for it [19:32] you need to change a flag [19:33] where? [19:33] is deadline for compiz the partner upload deadline or the feature freeze? [19:33] [19:33] Open "/usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service" [19:33] with a text editor and remove "DEBUG=1". [19:35] thanks [19:40] Is it possible to install lucid onto an SD card? [19:40] I'd like to test it, but don't want to have it on my HD [19:41] when do they fix plymouth for nvidia ... [19:59] distro[Ubuntu "luiid" 10004] [19:59] bug in xchat ;) [20:02] luiid is a secret distro created by a shadowy agency that's drawing it's plans against us [20:04] CosmiChaos: compiz is unrelated to partner [20:04] don't know where the heck it gets luiid from :P [20:04] Codename: lucid [20:04] what is it related to then? [20:04] patches accepted [20:04] it parses this, and outputs luiid :) [20:05] CosmiChaos: bug fixes have no deadline [20:06] CosmiChaos: feature additions have the deadline of FeatureFreeze [20:08] crimsun: today my sound started clipping... it was so nice two days ago :( [20:10] define clipping [20:13] my sound skips also if I play from share, but it looks like Microsoft can't even have their cifs crap bugfree :( [20:17] bjsnider: you still have your 64bits flash ppa? [20:17] bjsnider: clipping: as in sound is so high it disorces [20:17] *distorces [20:18] BUGabundo, if you want to use it can enable it for a brief period [20:18] just upgraded to lucid. i have an ip address, my nfs mount is working and I can ssh to this machine, but it is not connected to the internet. ping doesn't work for example [20:19] route ? [20:19] ? [20:20] whats output of route ? [20:20] bjsnider: was looking for a more "permenant" ppa, so I can give it way to ppl having trouble with frlash wrapper [20:21] dupondje, http://pastebin.ca/raw/1764349 [20:21] BUGabundo, get written permission from adobe for me and i'll do that [20:21] :\ [20:22] right [20:22] we can redistribute it [20:22] :( [20:22] F*** [20:22] get me a document that will stand up in court [20:22] dupondje, here is the route output for a jaunty machine right next to this lucid one that is working correctly: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1764350 [20:23] seems like you get weird ip ? :p [20:24] these machines have dedicated ip addresses IIRC [20:26] default gateway should be a router's ip address. instead you've got a .c file or something [20:27] is that to me? a .c aka config file? [20:28] wait, the default gateway is not an ip address on the machine that works [20:29] `locate muen-gw-clipr.c' brings up nothing [20:33] well, th config file should contain the necessary ip address [20:35] routers for the past few years have been able to do a combination of static and dhcp, so you don't need to configure that on the client [20:35] you can use dhcp on the cient and configure the router to give it the same ip address every time [20:35] unless you have an old router [20:36] we have a dozen or so identically configured workstations. the rest of them are running jaunty, this new one is running lucid [20:36] i don't think i need to reconfigure anything on the router as the rest of them are working [20:38] it does seem plausible that a config file was overwritten on the workstation during do-release-upgrade. the question is, which one? [20:40] the muen-gw-clipr.c file exists on the lucid system? [20:41] it doesn't even exist on the jaunty system [20:41] muen-gw-clipr.c is the default gateway for the jaunty system [20:42] there are files in /etc/network [20:43] i'll bet if you compare them with the jaunty systems you'll find out what's wrong [20:44] i still think it would be better to configure the router, just simplify each client to use dhcp and back up the router settings to a jump drive [20:52] found it fixed it. somehow the dns nameserver was misconfiged [20:52] thanks bjsnider [20:53] Is couchdb installed by default on ubuntu? tried checking the dependency but that doesnt list ubuntu-desktop [20:53] acicula: ubuntu one uses it [20:54] hmm ok [20:56] not sure if i ever installed that, but i guess something pulled it in, thanx yofel [20:56] acicula: actually I might be wrong [20:57] seems like evolution depends on it [20:57] over evolution-couchdb [20:59] ah yeah, that makes sense [21:10] Does "Switch User..." works for anyone? [21:18] alex_mayorga: with what GPU and drivers? [21:26] hmm, I don't get a working plymouth. [21:26] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-lucid-20100124-4.png [21:30] any one those? [21:37] grmbl [21:37] * yofel wants qt 4.6.1 [21:38] No, you can't have a pony :P [21:38] lol [21:46] \0 = NULL ? [22:06] no, NULL is a pointer while \0 is a char [22:10] Has anyone had libvirtd break for you? If so, how did you solve it? [22:10] (updating in the last month... I had it working fine in December) [22:26] lol, there has been a bug in xchat-xsys for 2 years [22:26] and nobody noticed it :) [22:27] xchat is almost a dead project, that's why [22:28] not to say people don't use it, because they do. but i don't think anybody's developing it [22:29] http://codepad.org/G2fwwjSS => the bug is here, you have the last strcpy is wrong, but don't know how to solve it 100% correctly) [22:29] dupondje: perhaps try quassel [22:31] Has anyone tried libvirtd with the current version? It seems to have broken. [22:31] BUGabundo, how can I tell? [22:31] º? [22:31] context please [22:32] I have an nvidia card, but I don't really know what driver is in use [22:32] Sunday January 24 2010, 15:09 - alex_mayorga: Does "Switch User..." works for anyone? [22:32] oh [22:32] now I remember [22:33] I'll have to test it later [22:33] I do know I can have two accounts loged int [22:33] but its via FreeNX [22:33] argh, virt-manager doesn't allow ARM VMs. [22:34] when I click switch user I see the user list, but when the pointer moves or a ke is pressed I get the password prompt for the user currently logged in [22:34] And none of the ubuntu ARM stuff works for the stuff qemu can emulate. [22:35] DanaG, is virt-manager working for you at all in 10.04? [22:36] It would connect, but didn't offer any button but "cancel" on the new-vm wizard. [22:36] Oh.. [22:36] libvirt-bin is the daemon -- had to be installed separately. [22:44] alex_mayorga, that seems like there is some sort of permissions issue that got messed up [22:44] I can't confirm it though, because I am only using a LiveCD version right now [22:45] I wonder what's the component I should bug report against [22:45] can anyone else reproduce? [22:46] BUGabundo: how do I tell what's the video driver in use? [22:51] alex_mayorga: check out jockey [22:52] lsmod [22:52] check for nv, nouveau or nvidia [22:52] of course the module could be loaded but not in use [22:54] thanks, let me check [22:56] none of those show, so it's happening with the vesa driver I guess [23:01] is anyone using xchat? [23:02] I have it usable. I switch between xchat and weechat right now. [23:03] charlie-tca, are your hilighted tabs acting up? [23:03] yup [23:03] ok thought it was just me [23:03] is there a bug filed? [23:03] bih yup [23:03] bug 508297 [23:03] Launchpad bug 508297 in gtk+2.0 "[lucid] xchat channels do not change color anymore" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508297 [23:04] That's why I thought I would try weechat. Xchat is driving me nuts [23:05] tree view works fine still [23:05] BUGabundo: I'm not sure what that means, but you definitely need to give me alsa-info.sh output when that symptom occurs, because I need both the HDA codec dump and the mixer settings [23:07] BUGabundo: here are general steps to troubleshoot: 1. check PA's volume. 2. check the amp val for your stereo-out mixer widget. 3. check the verbose PA log. [23:07] so no-one here switch users, ever? [23:07] Hmm. [23:07] It *appears* that if you use virt-manager, and have a CDROM drive with no ISO connected, [23:07] the VM will not start. [23:07] its broken with plymouth right now alex_mayorga [23:08] crimsun: thanks. I check both 1st. I usually do, before reporting [23:08] If you remove that CDROM drive, it will. Last month's version did not do that :) [23:08] Sarvatt, Thanks! No need to report then? Is there a bug #? [23:08] wanna now the funny part, no longer happening ... it _fixed_ it self.... I hate this bugs [23:08] disable splash from your kernel command line and it'll work normal, or use log out applet for a few days [23:08] yeah there are a bunch but i dont have any handy at the moment, i'm sorry :( [23:09] will get back to you when i get home if you havent found one [23:09] Yep, getting rid of uninserted CDROM drives makes libvirt work again [23:09] BUGabundo: please, just get me the requested info when it next occurs, because I can't troubleshoot lack-of-symptom [23:10] crimsun, just letting you know... that system bell bug report got upstreamed by one of the reporters [23:10] I know I know Daniel... [23:10] WeatherGod: as it should have been. [23:10] WeatherGod: I don't care much for GNOME bugs, as that lies outside my resource allocation. [23:10] Sarvatt: thanks, much appreciated [23:11] alex_mayorga: if you use the log out applet in gnome instead of the indicator-applet-session's switch user it'll work even with plymouth for now though [23:11] crimsun, yeah, kinda figured, but this one was so messy, it was hard to determine where the fault lies [23:11] do you get kicked to a VT with the mouse still functional? [23:11] WeatherGod: it won't even be remotely resolvable until Ubuntu gains a 2.6.34 kernel [23:11] Sarvatt, unfortunately I don't have much space for yet another applet :) [23:12] crimsun, so, that will be 10.10? [23:12] Sarvatt, no I get kicked to the user logged unlock screen [23:12] WeatherGod: no idea [23:12] over and over [23:12] WeatherGod: I have no idea what sorts of regressions will be in whatever 10.10 ships [23:12] ah and it doesn't go farther? [23:13] DanaG: how's your crusade against notify going? [23:13] crimsun, guess we will have to wait and see [23:13] eh, I just use notification-daemon. [23:13] alex_mayorga: it might not be the same bug then, what GPU are you using? the plymouth one is only really affecting intel [23:14] Though, oddly enough, brightness control doesn't work in gnome-power-manager. [23:14] The ubuntu devs must've done something to break it when not using notify-osd. [23:14] Sarvatt: the laptop has an nvidia chip, but I don't think the driver is in use [23:14] you dont see the splash when you boot up do you? [23:15] black screen with a ubuntu logo in the middle [23:15] DanaG: might want to ping them during the workweek in #ubuntu-desktop, then. [23:15] yeah doesn't seem like the same bug, sorry to throw you off alex_mayorga [23:15] DanaG, you're on a crusade to stop notify-osd before it kills again? [23:15] (I doubt there's any sort of conspiracy, but people love to make up all sorts of FUD ;) [23:16] Sarvatt: no splash, I see text [23:18] my angst with notify-osd is I don't get *any* configuration controls, but they keep saying thats a feature not a bug :S [23:18] I am actually dealing with a bug report right now about the notify-osd... [23:18] the guy is convinced that having the osd disappear on hover is a bug [23:18] bjsnider: not that I like to support DanaG, I do fell that notify-osd (that I didn't like that much when it came) is now taking tooooo much visual space, and not transparent enough [23:19] point the OR to the design spec for notify-osd, and have him/her argue with macslow, then. [23:19] (now that would be an interesting exchange) [23:19] My argument is that it's supposed to make display time proportional to amount of text... but it doesn't. [23:19] hmm, that's a good idea, maybe [23:19] DanaG: Which is a bug, obviously. [23:20] A 3-word notification and a 30-word notification, both sent via notify-send, will both show for 10 seconds. [23:20] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544750 [23:20] Debian bug 544750 in notify-osd "notify-osd: Unable to lower notification's expiry time than ten seconds" [Normal,Open] [23:20] not sure why that report is on debian. [23:20] C isn't *that* hard to learn; implement that part of the spec :) [23:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/423314 [23:20] Ubuntu bug 423314 in notify-osd "Unable to lower notification's expiry time than ten seconds" [Wishlist,Invalid] [23:21] I say, they should stop ignoring the time they're asked to display the thing for! [23:21] At least within reason. [23:21] Have you had that discussion with the ayatana folks? [23:21] well, about the most I have is the comment on that bug report. [23:21] And what does that name "Ayatana" mean, anyway? [23:22] WeatherGod: I tend to agree, usually when I move the mouse I'm trying to achieve a target [23:22] and that blurring... augh, eye torture. [23:22] yeah, and when using something like pidgin, and you have someone IM'ing you, the bubble stays up and gets in the way [23:23] stress-test: while (true); do notify-send this sucks; done [23:23] that'll block notify-osd for 500 seconds. [23:23] DanaG: Another part of the spec that isn't implmented, yes. [23:23] 50 is the maximum queue length. [23:23] 10 seconds is the duration. [23:23] heh [23:24] DanaG: the blur SUCKs [23:24] mouse over does NOTHING [23:24] Run that on MacSlow's computer some time when he's not watching. =þ [23:24] Then ctrl-c it after a moment. [23:24] what blur? [23:24] specially when the users come from win32 and they're so used to click the msn "toaster" to act on it [23:25] DanaG: While there's certainly stuff of value in what you're saying, bitching about it in #ubuntu+1 isn't really going to do anything other than make you feel better. [23:26] And the bugtracker seems ignored, as well. [23:26] Unfortunately, bug reports do nothing also [23:26] DanaG, let's go to #ayatana I'll back you up :) [23:26] seems like the group is pretty sure, they're doing it right [23:26]