| persia | slangasek: So, did you want the 29th 20:00 slot? If not, I need to prep for it :) | 01:10 |
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| ScottK | slangasek: texlive-latex-base is currently uninstallable due to depending on luatex. luatex is a depends now. It looks to me like it's either a MIR for luatex (at a glance I think all it's depends/rdepends are in Main) or rip all the luatex stuff out of texlive-latex-base. I'd rather keep it so we can sync Tex stuff from Debian. What do you think? | 01:48 |
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| derknecht | i have a encrypted ubuntu 9.10 installed, and had problems with grub2, i am now using grub1 (from my gentoo installation) and want to know how the kernel line in menu.lst should look like for booting a encrypted root file system (installed with alternate cd). Thanks a lot. | 13:50 |
| persia | derknecht: You might get more support in #ubuntu : this isn't a support channel, and it's a weekend, when lots of people don't pay attention to this channel. | 13:52 |
| derknecht | persia: k, thanks | 13:53 |
| persia | derknecht: Good luck. | 13:54 |
| derknecht | persia: solved :D | 14:08 |
| persia | Excellent! | 14:09 |
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| LLStarks | hi, if i have a grievance about a dev decision regarding lucid, do i put it here or in ubuntu+1? | 16:12 |
| ion | Either, if you want nothing to happen. If you want someone to notice it, file a bug report or a blueprint, depending on the type of your wish. | 16:13 |
| persia | bug report is generally better for something described as a grievance (unless it is of the class of "Why isn't there a pony on the CD?". | 16:16 |
| LLStarks | it's about the new bottom-tabbed nautilus | 16:16 |
| LLStarks | it sucks | 16:17 |
| persia | But for "Why did my pony get taken away?", a bug report is definitely better. | 16:17 |
| persia | That's "Why did my pony get replaced by an aardvark?", and also better as a bug. | 16:17 |
| LLStarks | it is so annoying that i want to e-punch the person that signed off on it | 16:17 |
| LLStarks | also, i'm unsure of the proper mailing list | 16:18 |
| persia | Run `ubuntu-bug nautilus` on a system experiencing it. | 16:18 |
| geser | I got hit by this "feature" too on the first time: I opened several tabs till I noticed that they're at the bottom now | 16:18 |
| persia | Bugs written from the viewpoint of "How usability can be improved by restoring previous behaviour" without e-punches tend to get the best treatment. | 16:19 |
| LLStarks | don't these sort of bugs have an omnipresence that every developer and their dog should already know about? | 16:20 |
| LLStarks | or are devs so foolish as to not see the repercussions of their enhancements? | 16:21 |
| persia | As you've seen, a developer has been hit with that bug. Doesn't mean anyone filed it, or that anyone is working on reverting it. | 16:22 |
| persia | More than anything, these things need discussion. | 16:22 |
| LLStarks | as far as i heard, the people that decided said the decision was closed. | 16:23 |
| LLStarks | and was an upstream thing | 16:24 |
| persia | Ah, if that's documented in an upstream bug, then, yeah, Ubuntu is likely to follow that. | 16:24 |
| persia | Your best bet is to continue the discussion upstream. | 16:24 |
| geser | LLStarks: gnome bug #606027 | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 606027 in Tabs "Tabs should be displayed at the top" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606027 | 16:26 |
| LLStarks | thanks. | 16:27 |
| sebner | persia: that's not a bug that's a decision upstream made (I hope it'll be reverted though) | 17:28 |
| persia | sebner: A "bug" is how we describe anything that represents an atomic change to software. | 17:29 |
| persia | It's not like a crash, but I stand by my opinion that a bug tracker is the best place to discuss it. | 17:30 |
| sebner | persia: Sure, but wondering if you can declare something upstream decided as "bug" | 17:30 |
| persia | Why not, if I disagree. | 17:30 |
| persia | Doesn't mean they have to fix it :) | 17:31 |
| sebner | persia: It's always a question of how much influence the users have and how stubborn upstream is | 17:31 |
| persia | And the quality and strength of arguments for each viewpoint. | 17:32 |
| hyperair | if we're not reverting that stupid commit, i'm going to be maintaining a custom build of nautilus. | 17:32 |
| hyperair | and if more of this stupidity continues happening, i might just end up in gentoo ¬_¬ | 17:33 |
| sebner | persia: haha, speaking of strength and quality ... "Too much stuff is already up there so let's put it down to the bottom" .. | 17:33 |
| persia | sebner: If you have a stronger argument (for either viewpoint), please add it to that bug. | 17:33 |
| sebner | persia: My opinion is already covered by the present comments and I think they are pretty valid | 17:34 |
| persia | There you go then :) | 17:34 |
| hyperair | persia: so what happens when we all have very nice and valid comments, but upstream continues to be stubborn? | 17:35 |
| hyperair | s/comments/arguments against tabs-at-bottom/ | 17:35 |
| sebner | hyperair: accept it, change distro, custom nautilus build :P | 17:36 |
| Ng | what does changing distro have to do with what gnome upstream is doing? | 17:37 |
| hyperair | >_> | 17:37 |
| persia | hyperair: If upstream will not change, there are three choices: 1) fork, 2) make a distro-level change 3) make a personal change. | 17:37 |
| sebner | Ng: Kubuntu ;) | 17:37 |
| persia | I don't think it's worth changing distros just because you want to apply some patch. | 17:37 |
| hyperair | Ng: i'm just saying, if more stupidity comes from multiple different apps, and i end up maintaining custom builds of several different apps, i might as well go gentoo where i have to compile every damn thing anyway. | 17:38 |
| sebner | persia: I didn't say anything about being worth it, it's just an option | 17:38 |
| Ng | hyperair: sounds like a lot of effort just to move a tab bar ;) | 17:39 |
| hyperair | Ng: well, GNOME upstream has been rather stupid lately. | 17:39 |
| hyperair | Ng: you never know what they're going to do next. | 17:40 |
| hyperair | oh by the way, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/509079 | 17:44 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 509079 in nautilus "nautilus has tabs on bottom" [Low,Triaged] | 17:44 |
| hyperair | we've got an ubuntu bug as well. | 17:44 |
| jcastro | you could probably maintain your own patchset like the nautilus-elementary folks do | 18:46 |
| ScottK | On the off chance there's an archive admin with shell access around .... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel/luatex/0.50.0-1 still needs promotion to Mail. | 19:56 |
| ScottK | Mail/Main | 19:58 |
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| gavintlgold | can someone explain to me what "sudo apt-get remove programname{p}" does? I'm not talking about apt-get remove in general but adding the {p} to the end of the name. | 22:46 |
| gavintlgold | I'm assuming it removes instances of the app installed via the "make install" command after compiling. is this assumption correct? | 22:47 |
| owen1 | my dell uses Elantech touchpad and I can't configure it. i contacted dell and they refered me to cananical. i didn't hear back from canonical. who is the maintainer of elantech driver? | 22:48 |
| owen1 | someone told me EEEpc also has it and it's possible to configure it. | 22:49 |
| owen1 | can you guys direct me toward a solution? | 22:49 |
| owen1 | here is a link to someone how wrote a driver - http://arjan.opmeer.net/elantech/ | 22:51 |
| owen1 | it's noo complex for me to understand it though. | 22:51 |
| RAOF | gavintlgold: No, that's not correct. | 22:52 |
| RAOF | gavintlgold: There's no way (in general) to remove instances of an app installed via “make install”, and it's outside the scope of the package manager. | 22:53 |
| RAOF | gavintlgold: What {p} means is “purge” which, in addition to removing the package, also removes the (system wide) config files - ie: stuff in /etc. | 22:53 |
| owen1 | how to find a maintainer of a touchpad driver? | 23:28 |
| soreau | Hey I was wondering, where are the settings stored that gnome-window-properties sets? | 23:58 |
| soreau | I assume somewhere in ~/.gconf, but which key? | 23:58 |
| soreau | Trying to figure out how to change the titlebar doubleclick action without gnome-window-properties | 23:59 |
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