[00:00] how the hell do i export :S [00:09] dutchie, try these [00:09] sending you the files now... may not work over IRC [00:10] ill email em [00:10] got a reply about thingy that ill forward too [00:11] whats ur email? [00:11] dutchie ping [00:18] alright, committed a bunch more firefox copy. [00:19] why do i feel like i'm writing a lot more than others?... [00:20] we've really only had me, you, and wolter submitting writing recently [00:24] yeah i know [00:24] i think ryan has almost finished his chapter, he might just be keeping it locally [00:26] which chapter? 2? [00:27] ok, if he's almost finished, i think you should have him commit what he has. [00:27] i think 7 [00:27] ah, ok. [00:28] dutchie ping ping ping :) [00:29] Is anyone here good with Gimp? All I want to do is get a transparent background version of ubuntumanual192.png from the "Team images" folder int he branch [00:29] to use on the planet [00:29] I could do it in photoshop using magic wand but I have no idea about the gimp [00:30] and i dont have it installed [00:32] * IlyaHaykinson_ posted to the techwr-l mailing list about looking for technical writers to help out. [00:32] IlyaHaykinson, just looking at the stuff in your chapter, and what you've got planned. That chapter is going to be massive - perhaps it's too much detail? [00:32] well, people did ask for a lot of detail on web browsing. [00:32] that is true [00:33] and, well, it's a manual, right? we've got to tell people how to use the tools, nto just say "well, use Firefox" [00:33] how many screenshots are you thinking of having? [00:33] i'm hoping not too many, and not to have full-screen ones if we can avoid it. [00:33] okay cool [00:34] i.e. just zoom in on the area being described, and only when it's not clear [00:35] yeah well you can use shutter to take screenshots of individual windows [00:35] I presume josh has gone to bed [00:36] i think we'll want to centralize the screenshotting to just a few peole. [00:36] people [00:37] so that we a) start with a consistent environment [00:37] b) apply a similar process to all images [00:37] maybe once we get closer, we can designate someone our image editor [00:37] and have a few ppl use the same virtualbox install to take the screenshots [00:38] re the Gimp: there is a magic wand there too (the fourth icon in the toolbox in the first row) [00:38] there's also Colors > Color to Alpha... [00:38] the magic wand picks up too much white, though, including stuff from the book in the image [00:38] the Color to Alpha makes the background of the book translucent too. [00:39] so i don't know if it accomplishes the same thing. i'm not at all familiar with the gimp [00:40] alright, i'm going to go. ttyl. [00:57] wolter ping [01:00] hey humphreybc [01:01] could you do me a favour? [01:01] I need a transparent png version of /ubuntu-manual/Team Images/ubuntumanual192.jpg [01:01] I don't have gimp installed or photoshop [01:01] and i don't know the equivalent magic wand thing in gimp [01:03] wolter: ? [01:05] im gonna get something to eat [01:05] if you could do that for me and email me it that'd be great [01:05] it's for the planet [01:09] humphreybc, ok i will [01:09] wolter i'm just pushing thru bzr with the planet stuff in it [01:10] you can find the image under /ubuntu-manual/Planet Stuff/images/ [01:10] ok [01:10] Just overwrite it with a transparent version [01:10] and if you know any CSS or HTML, feel free to edit the files there [01:12] nice [01:13] humphreybc, it may look a little nasty, if i use magic wand [01:13] Can I remake the icon? [01:13] sure [01:13] If you could find me the book [01:13] Or I could make one from 0 [01:13] hey vish [01:13] http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2008/07/18/Open-Book460_276.jpg [01:13] vish is awesome with icons, i presume [01:14] I just pushed it through [01:14] we need a new set of icons [01:14] and a favicon .ico for the planet [01:15] IlyaHaykinson: I pushed through a new branch revision with the Planet CSS and HTML etc under /Planet Stuff. Feel free to take a look at the CSS and modify it as you wish. [01:16] right im grabbing something to eat [01:21] humphreybc, whats the link to the planet [01:22] i will remake both logos to give them a transparent background [01:27] cool, i think the big one already has one [01:31] no [01:32] but i'd be happy to tweak your css [01:32] /home/benjamin/Manual/ubuntu-manual/Team images/manuallogo.png is transparent [01:32] sure go for it, it's been years since i did any CSS so it looks fairly crappy at the moment :) [01:33] stuff like hyperlink styles, a favicon, horizontal rules between posts (i'm not so sure about that border around posts) [01:33] all that stuff needs to be done [01:33] more crap in the sidebar, maybe change the colours, hackagotchis (the images of the people, like on Planet Ubuntu) [01:33] do you have blog wolter? [02:25] humphreybc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates#Planet [02:26] It's all in Romanian the template but that can be easily translated and I can help with that where possible ;) [02:26] Basically created http://planet.ubuntu.ro [02:27] oh ianto, groovy! [02:28] The builder image can be replces on a per user basis [02:57] cheers for that ianto, it's going to look great! [03:03] ianto, how do I send my feed as a test? [03:05] humphreybc: Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingPlanet [03:14] blah that's too complicated for me xD besides I may as well leave it for dutchie to do [03:14] since he's hosting it [03:15] You might wish to think of registering a domain then ;) [03:15] well we've got planet.interesting.co.nz [03:15] which is a subdomain of my site [03:15] so that will do for now :) [03:22] it'll be quite cool with all those links up the top [03:22] we can have that as our home page really [03:23] maybe i'll do manual.interesting.co.nz [03:23] dutchie, "manual.interesting.co.nz" ? [04:05] hey humphreybc [04:05] heya [04:05] i am sorry, I had to go to dinner [04:05] I will handle that job now [04:05] what's a good web development program for ubuntu? [04:05] gedit :) [04:05] oh you dont need to worry anymore :) [04:05] no? [04:05] lol [04:05] how come? [04:05] nup take a look at the branch [04:06] ok [04:06] pull the latest revision [04:06] is there anything like dreamweaver? [04:06] Coincidentally Dreamweaver just finished installing for me and no there is not [04:06] dreamweaver under wine? [04:06] Under WinXP [04:07] oh my god, its looking awesome [04:07] hmm [04:07] yeah thanks to ianto :) [04:07] No problem [04:07] he gave me a templatee [04:07] hey, humphreybc, using those applications really makes your code big and adds unecessary stuff to it [04:07] hmm [04:07] oh, ianto thats a template? [04:07] Really, I can handle the html magic, trust me. [04:07] What is missing? [04:08] oh nothing [04:08] this is just for myself [04:08] well, what do you need dreamweaver for? [04:08] I'm thinking in the future to combine my photography website and my blog into one main website under the domain interesting.co.nz and then host it on my own server. I'd have to write my own website I think. [04:09] humphreybc, yes, i would definitely do that [04:09] maybe a benjaminhumphrey.com.nz [04:09] then i could ditch the long benjaminhumphreyphotography.com lol [04:09] or benhumphrey [04:09] meh interesting.co.nz is a good domain name [04:09] i'll just keep that :) [04:09] oh yes.. you totally could haha [04:09] ubuntu-manual.org ;) [04:09] although.... [04:09] oh yeah. co.bz sorry, and 'n' slipped out :) [04:10] I use weebly to create my photography website, because it's easier for flash galleries [04:10] I can export websites out of weebly... [04:10] weebly? [04:10] yeah google it [04:10] it's an ajax based drag n drop website development tool [04:10] it's fantastically simple to create websites and it's feature rich, plus they host it and everything [04:10] yeah did [04:11] so I could change that site to reflect my new site, then i'd just have to insert my wordpress blog somehow [04:11] * wolter is hating badly the drums in powermetal [04:11] humphreybc, i think it would be kindof easy [04:12] hmm [04:12] brb [04:20] humphreybc, is your site hosted in some .weebly.com ? [04:20] nope [04:20] i bought the domain name www.benjaminhumphreyphotography.com [04:21] but i thiiink i have a better plan. I've been looking at internet plans over here and it would be very expensive to actually host everything on my own server... so I think I'll move my blog into weebly, hopefully there is a way to integrate wordpress into weebly. Then i'll just change the domain name of the weebly site to interesting.co.nz and wallah, all done! [04:22] so all my stuffs are in one place [04:23] yeahy [04:23] yeah* [04:29] Then i can just have on my menu something like: About Me, Resume, Photography, Blog, Admin [05:03] wolter, how do you add a border around images in gimp? like photoshop's "stroke" ? [05:07] hm [05:07] you cant [05:07] well, you do [05:08] select the object (control+click on layer) [05:13] humphreybc, is your object on a transparent background? [05:13] If so, right-click and select "Alpha to selection" [05:13] nevermind i think i have done without it [05:13] i'll show you later tonight [05:14] it's for my site [05:14] Then, go to the [Select] menu and choose [Grow] [05:14] oh well [05:14] can i see it? [05:16] humphreybc, how do you like this icon? http://imagebin.ca/img/vAOOaZ6h.png [05:16] its a blueprint icon [05:26] humphreybc, how are we handling time? [05:28] hmm? [05:28] that's a cool blueprint icon [05:28] im just gonna go have some dinner, back in about 30 mins [05:31] ok [07:17] I'm back for a few hours. [07:17] Looks like I missed a bunch of bzr activity. [09:16] hi is anyone around? [09:16] i just want to see if my router is forwarding properly [09:40] humphreybc: I'm here. [09:40] If you still need help. [09:41] hmm i can't seem to get it to forward... try going here: http://118.93.48.233/ [09:41] So as I understand it, I have my server working perfectly on our local network. To forward it on the net, I just have to open up port 80 on the router and add the local IP as the server one... 192.168.1.2 [09:41] then go to the external IP: http://118.93.48.233/ [09:42] but lots of people have said it isn't working, it just times out [09:42] It looks like it's going to timeout, yeah. [09:42] When you're testing it locally, are you testing from another computer on your home network (to go to 192.168.1.2)? [09:44] I'm testing it from my laptop [09:44] it works for http://118.93.48.233/ [09:44] and also 192.168.1.2 [09:44] this is my router: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Huawei/EchoLife-HG520s/Echolink.htm [09:44] and those are the instructions... [09:45] I didnt use 5198 5200 tho [09:45] I used 80 and 80, TCP [09:45] If i use 5198 and 5200, then I can't even get to http://118.93.48.233/ locally [09:46] Right, you should use port 80 (tc0) for both local and remote port numbers (start and end). [09:47] do you have to restart your router for it to take effect? [09:47] okay i've done that. no I don't think I do.... [09:47] should i set protocol to All or TCP? [09:48] All should work, but TCP is the only one required. [09:48] HTTP_Server TCP 80 80 192.168.1.2 80 80 [09:48] those are the settings [09:48] Application Protocol Start Port End Port Local IP Address Start Port(Local) End Port(Local) [09:49] that looks right [09:49] on the server, you can run 'netstat -l' and it'll show you what ports it's listening on. [09:49] * humphreybc ssh's into the server [09:49] make sure the local address is listening on port 80 and the foreign address is *:* [09:50] local address should have *:80 or *:http [09:50] also make sure you don't have a firewall running on the server that's disallowing incoming connections to port 80. [09:50] http://pastebin.com/m1b24982d [09:51] do i need a static IP with my ISP? [09:52] So the www port is only listening on ipv6 but not ipv4. [09:52] at least, that's what it looks like. [09:52] the static IP would only mean that the 118.93.48.223 never changes. [09:52] so that's a separate issue. [09:53] righto [09:53] right now it looks like your web server isn't listening on the ipv4 tcp port 80. [09:53] i have a static ip on the server for 192.168.1.2 [09:53] but i can connect to it locally over 118.93.48.223 okay why? [09:54] I'm not sure. [09:54] hmm. should i try restarting the router? [09:54] let me log into another of my boxes here and see what it says. [09:54] cool cool [09:55] mine lists it as: tcp 0 0 *:www *:* LISTEN [09:55] so yeah, it looks like your web server isn't listening on the ipv4 address. [09:55] hmm [09:55] are there any useful errors in /var/log/apache2/error.log? [09:56] (I'm assuming you're using Apache..?) [09:56] just favicon errors [09:57] restart apache and then check the log again. [09:57] http://pastebin.com/m78304f16 [09:57] i'll reboot the server [09:57] apache config logs usually only show at startup [09:57] k [09:57] you may have to restart the router, too. I'm not sure what has to be done for the new route to take effect on your router. [09:57] okay be back in a sec then [10:13] hi thorwil [10:13] hi humphreybc [10:13] design :) [10:13] i read over the logs, and agree with what you say [10:14] and i read that blog post too [10:14] sounds good. Now i'm not really much of a design person, i don't know much about publications either. So i don't think i'm really the best person to come up with the "tone" etc [10:14] you're not supposed to [10:15] you should be the moderator (or one of the moderators) [10:16] cool cool [10:17] well i think you guys should work as a design team. afaik you are all fairly decent designers, so i'm sure you can work on the manual design and come up with something sweet. you don't need me to okay stuff or tell you what to do :) [10:17] humphreybc: excellent [10:17] that sound okay? [10:18] humphreybc: however, it is still up to you to publicly declare that this is the course to go [10:18] Hey, thorwil, can I get in on that discussion, too? I think the cover design and interior design should go hand-in-hand. [10:18] you seem to be the most outgoing person in the team, so i'll stick you in charge of the design team, and you four can work away at your leisure [10:18] yeah godbyk that's a good plan [10:18] godbyk: yes, very much so [10:19] cool, thanks! [10:19] so the design team does artwork/title page and body style? [10:19] humphreybc: i think defining the audience and strategy is not for the design team alone [10:20] true, I'll put that on the agenda for this saturday [10:20] but, judging from the irc logs, you have a fairly good idea of the target audience - no? [10:21] obviously we're not going to have a crayon font and bright colours, nor are we going to use 12pt black times new roman for the entire publication. so we can rule out those two target audiences, young and boring :P [10:22] humphreybc: not sure about it. every single writer should have an idea of the strategy of the manual, what kind pf publication it is, made for what kind of people [10:22] I agree. I think we should be clear about the style/voice used. That'll play out in the design as well. [10:22] vish: read ^ [10:22] Where do we fall on the formal/informal spectrum, for instance? [10:23] that's what the style guide is supposed to be for [10:23] i think jmburgess was writing it [10:23] we did discuss the target audience in the very first meeting [10:24] Ah, I missed the first meeting. :) [10:24] i think there is a summary of that on the meetings page... but yeah, we need to definitely narrow it down to a set target audience. We can do that in the next meeting, if that's all good? [10:24] yes [10:27] cool! i'll add it to the agenda [10:29] godbyk: is there documentation about the thoughts and choices that led to the current fonts and internal layout? [10:31] thorwil: Not really. [10:31] A lot of it still on my TO DO list to get updated. [10:32] ha , finally humphreybc is here ;) [10:33] yup [10:33] humphreybc: isnt the manual's purpose supposed to be an intro to Ubuntu? [10:33] thorwil: the current layout basically stems from my brain last year :) [10:33] sort of [10:34] humphreybc: yeah , i imagined so too , but wolter confused me a bit the other day ;) [10:35] if one walks into a bookstore and picks up a whatever-software manual, it's quite likely to be huge thing [10:36] not calling our manual "the * manual" on the cover is still open, right? [10:37] humphreybc: yeah , what/when the manual going to be christened? [10:37] the whole title is still open to debate :P [10:38] i actually did an interview with omgubuntu.co.uk today that Joey should post this wek [10:38] week* [10:38] it should have lots of information not just for joe blogg but also you guys [10:39] humphreybc: hmm , wouldnt it be better if the members got info from you first than from a blog on the web? ;) [10:41] lol yes [10:42] buuuuutt i am just saying that because i worded my answers carefully [10:42] so hopefully it will make more sense [10:42] hehe [10:46] * thorwil adds manual planet to feed reader [10:48] wait is the manual planet up? [10:48] oh [10:48] dutchie hasn't updated it yet :) [10:49] dutchie: get out of bed [10:55] dutchie: :) [11:06] * thorwil -> lunch [11:44] humphreybc: morning :) [11:50] dutchie: just setting up my server to work on the net with godbyk - humphreybc.homeip.net [11:50] be back in a sec, gotta reboot router [11:50] ah, fun :) [11:51] rigel.joshh.co.uk is this laptop :) [11:57] dutchie, check out the bzr branch [11:57] the planet stuff is all ready to go [11:57] and freeparking guy has set up manual.interesting.co.nz to point to planet.joshh.co.uk [11:57] sweet [11:57] it will probably all roll over tomorrow [11:59] hmm, rev 161 doesn't want to build for me [12:01] odd [12:01] I think someone reverted a bug fix I put in. [12:01] one sec [12:04] also, manual.interesting.co.nz doesn't resolve [12:06] yeah dutchie he said it might take 48 hrs [12:06] changes pushed. it should work now. [12:06] let me know if you still have problems compiling, dutchie. [12:07] ah, ok [12:11] Okay, guys. I'm off to bed. I'll be back in about 8 hours, I imagine. [12:14] dutchie: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/stats.php [12:14] nifty PHP file that shows some cool stats [12:14] unfortunately I couldn't get hddtemp to work as it requires root permissions to run for some reason [12:25] there we go, CSSS etc appklied [12:27] Oo lovely [12:28] can we change the names of the feeds to our actual names and get hackagotchis? [12:28] and i suppose you looked at that page about setting up a cron job to refresh the feed? [12:29] yes [12:29] and yes [12:30] haha cool, well my hackagotchi is somewhere [12:30] probably my ubuntu forums profile is best [12:30] i shall find it [12:31] http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=785254 [12:31] oh [12:31] it's tiny [12:31] i'll just email you it :) [12:31] * humphreybc has to revert to firefox as a backup because chrome "can't load the default profile" :S [12:31] I'd prefer a web hosted one someewhere [12:32] i'll host it on my server for ya [12:35] http://humphreybc.homeip.net/me6.jpg [12:35] groovy? [12:38] haha josh i think you need to resize your image there a bit :P [12:38] GIANT JOSH TAKING OVER ZEH PLANETZ [12:38] yeah, doing that [12:38] lol [12:39] is that a satisfactory size? [12:41] nice facebook photos btw [12:41] lol that's tiny now [12:41] the same size as mine? [12:45] god it takes ages for DNS changes to happen [12:56] oh and dutchie, there's another feed to add to the planet: http://ubuntuper.wordpress.com/feed/ [12:57] it's pererik from IRC/manual team [12:57] his full name is: Per Erik Glærum Grønvik [12:58] done [13:00] and then somehow if you could work out to have "Josh Holland" instead of "http://www.joshh.co.uk" and "Benjamin Humphrey" instead of "Interesting >> Ubuntu Manual" then that would be icing on the cake :) [13:00] same for pererik's too [13:00] :) [13:00] nice work! [13:00] i am going to have a quick shower. it's 2am :S [13:00] hmm [13:02] the planet's looking fantastic. can't wait till this DNS name kicks in... i don't think i've ever been so excited over a DNS server change....! [13:03] is that normal? :P [13:03] names/nicks done [13:03] wow, the unicode works too [13:13] i think pererik's nick is actually pererik87 [13:13] and also his posts dont seem to show up? [13:18] there is some sort of bug with some wordpress.com feeds and planetplanet [13:19] I've seen it in #ubuntu-uk [13:21] he probably has to enabled "show full posts in RSS feeds" option in wordpress [13:25] The freeparking tech guy said this, 9 hours ago: Sorry, yes I can make changes for interesting.co.nz as that is with us, [13:25] just not for joshh.co.uk. [13:25] This has been done for you. This change may take up to 8 hours to take [13:25] effect (though you are likely to see it working sooner). [13:25] planet.interesting.co.nz. IN CNAME planet.joshh.co.uk. [13:25] You may wish to check with the hosting company for joshh.co.uk and let [13:25] them know in case they need to make any changes. [13:26] planet.interesting.co.nz doesn't work yet, and it's been 9 hours. perhaps let your hosting company know? [13:26] aha, I know what the problem is [13:26] i would have thought it would have been a simple URL redirection [13:26] what's the problem? [13:27] I forgot to tell apache to respond to planet.interesting.co.nz [13:27] ah ha [13:28] the dns still doesn't resolve [13:29] it might be because i changed the IP from freeparking to weebly.com [13:29] but that shouldn't change the domain stuff... [13:29] maybe it's just screwed it up in the meantime [13:30] interesting was pointing to humphreybc.wordpress.com, but now I have set it to go to humphreybc.weebly.com - but instead of just domain forwarding, it's actually going to become the domain [13:30] and then i'm getting rid of benjaminhumphreyphotography.com altogether because it's too long [13:30] that shouldn't affect planet. [13:30] well i'll check again when i wake up in 8 hrs or so [13:30] if it still isn't working then i'll email the guy again [13:31] does the Contact link work properly? [13:31] (it's set as mailto: [13:32] I've never ever seen a mailto link work properly [13:33] lol [13:33] if you know of a better way to do it then try that instead [13:44] right time for sleep i think [13:45]