[01:10] <Takyoji> Stupid question: Would an SD card supposedly be faster (in terms of reading) in comparison to a 4200 RPM harddrive?
[01:11] <Takyoji> I can't find any definite number that SD cards typically are used at.
[01:12] <_diablo> Takyoji, sd will almost for sure be faster at reading, but it depends on a ton. Also, it depends on other stuff like whether you need burst data or long reads.
[01:12] <_diablo> and do you mean sd card or ssd?
[01:12] <Takyoji> Because I'm thinking in terms of an OS installation
[01:12] <Takyoji> SD card
[01:12] <Takyoji> (for the time being)
[01:14] <_diablo> oh. It will probably be faster
[01:14] <_diablo> but it might also depend on brand and other stuff
[01:14] <_diablo> I would try it.
[01:14] <_diablo> it will probably be faster.
[01:15] <Takyoji> Because I got a somewhat older laptop handed down to me, which already dual-boots XP and Ubuntu (but 9.04 I think)
[01:15] <Takyoji> and was considering if I should get an SSD, or just work along the lines of an SD card or USB for the OS, and the harddrive for large storage.
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: most SD cards read at a max of 15MB/s, with more expensive ones going up to 30MB/s.
[01:18] <_diablo> eh, if it's an old computer, the HDD is probably not your limiting factor. It's probably CPU or RAM so it won't matter too much.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> Oh please - it would have to be like circa 1994 for the CPU to be the limiter.
[01:21] <Takyoji> What would be a typical size of an Ubuntu installation?
[01:22] <Takyoji> ~2GB, or?
[01:22] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, it depends on what you're doing.
[01:22] <Takyoji> I'm simply talking in terms of boot performance
[01:23] <_diablo> ah, right, oops
[01:23] <Takyoji> Boot performance and perhaps time taken to open applications
[01:23] <Takyoji> I don't mind how long it takes a thing to save, or for a document to be read necessarily
[01:28] <Takyoji> 9.04 is about 2.3GB installed
[01:29] <Takyoji> Referencing from: http://www.tuxradar.com/files/ubuntu_vs_7-3.png
[01:33] <mr_steve> Takyoji: if you try it, let me know how it goes...
[01:33] <mr_steve> I was considering Ubuntu on an SD card for my netbook, to avoid spinning the HD when I don't need to
[01:34] <_diablo> same here
[01:34] <_diablo> mr_steve, when do you want to start ubuntu hour?
[01:34] <Takyoji> I think I might try just grabbing an small high-speed SD card as well for testing. But perhaps, I could test between the two, to see if it's any different for my system (like if the reader only works at a certain speed)
[01:35] <mr_steve> _diablo: I'm starting to figure out my routine a bit more now, so I'm thinking maybe this coming friday
[01:35] <mr_steve> There's a new variable now though apparently I've started having anxiety attacks. Yay.
[01:37] <mr_steve> at any rate I'm going to start looking for a decent coffeeshop close to MCTC to hold it at
[01:38] <_diablo> mr_steve, ouch. okay, yeah, keep me in the loop
[01:45] <Takyoji> Ooo, the Firefox Personas are quite nice
[01:46] <Takyoji> When it originally came out as a plugin there was barely much available
[01:49] <Takyoji> Now it's like the next best thing, beyond desktop wallpapers
[02:06]  * tonyyarusso doesn't see the point
[02:07] <Takyoji> It's just a simple customization; it's not too obtrusive either
[02:07] <tonyyarusso> It's just another application - why do you need it to have star trek logos scattered about?
[02:07] <_diablo> haha
[02:07] <_diablo> it's pretty
[02:07] <_diablo> same reason why I like compiz
[02:07] <Takyoji> It's built into the GUI system of Firefox 3.6. :P
[02:08] <Takyoji> So it's not necessarily a whole separate entity
[02:57] <Takyoji> That is very awkward
[02:58] <_diablo> what?
[02:58] <Takyoji> Apparently I'm installing a Java update, and it's offering a Bing Toolbar for Internet Explorer..
[02:58] <_diablo> LOL
[04:21] <Takyoji> Due to my current lack of a 4GB SD card (that isn't of someone else's), and to the worry that a 4GB SD card might not work on the system (due to the delay until SDHC was really used)
[04:21] <Takyoji> I think I'll try a 4GB flash drive
[04:21] <Takyoji> USB flash drive
[04:22] <Takyoji> The only thing I worry of is that it might install the bootloader to the USB flash drive
[04:23] <Takyoji> and at the same time, USB might be a bit slow
[04:24] <Takyoji> Thoughts?
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> yeah, it will be super slow
[04:25] <Alpha_Cluster> not ture
[04:25] <Alpha_Cluster> it depends on if its a usb2 port and how fast the ram in the usb drive is
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> I've never seen a USB flash drive with a decent speed of the actual flash.
[04:27] <Alpha_Cluster> really my corsair flash voyager has pretty awesome speeds
[04:28] <Takyoji> The optimal speed of USB 2 is 480Mb/s
[04:28] <Takyoji> (60MB/s)
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> s/optimal/theoretical maximum raw/
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> Meaning your best bet for actual data transfer is more like 30MB/s
[04:31] <Alpha_Cluster> yep i get about 40 with my good flash drive
[04:31] <Alpha_Cluster> most flash drives use cheap ram and so they normally get up to maybe 30 on a good day
[04:32] <Alpha_Cluster> if you buy a drive though from the enthusist ram companies they tend to be less skimpy and get 40-50
[04:32] <Alpha_Cluster> i cant wait for usb 3.0 to become big
[04:32] <Alpha_Cluster> it will force flash drives to use good ram :)
[04:33] <Takyoji> NAND*
[04:34] <Alpha_Cluster> true its NAND >.< i always just call it ram  cause i forget the name
[04:38] <Takyoji> I need an Ubuntu sticker for this laptop...
[04:39] <Alpha_Cluster> lol i feel bad i dont have any computers running ubuntu rigth now >.<
[04:40] <Takyoji> My whole house runs Ubuntu!
[04:40] <Takyoji> :P
[04:40] <Alpha_Cluster> >.< i got a macbook pro and a desktop that has a new ati 5770 so i cannot really run it very well
[04:41] <Alpha_Cluster> i got VMs though that i run it on
[04:41] <Takyoji> Geez, you're such a disgrace to our cult! :P
[04:41] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[04:41] <Takyoji> I think it would run fine on a Macbook Pro though
[04:41] <Alpha_Cluster> hey i would run it on this computer if i could
[04:42] <Alpha_Cluster> no sound on the Mac
[04:42] <Alpha_Cluster> on this computer the ATI drivers dont allow it to play videos
[04:42] <Takyoji> ahh
[04:43] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah sadly OSX works to well also for me to want to replace it
[04:43] <Alpha_Cluster> and Windows 7 works better right now for this computer >.<
[04:58] <Takyoji> Anyone have thoughts on http://helpmysql.org/en/theissue/customerspaythebill ?
[05:03] <Takyoji> Apparently Web of Trust is advocating it
[05:03] <Takyoji> (the petition)
[05:19] <Takyoji> Hah, this boot performance is slower than a crawl
[05:19] <Takyoji> It's probably only USB 1 ports
[05:19] <Takyoji> Just loading GRUB was like several minutes
[05:21] <Takyoji> 50 seconds from GRUB to the login screen using this USB drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220251&cm_re=patriot_4GB-_-20-220-251-_-Product on a HP Pavilion DV1000 laptop
[06:49] <Takyoji> Is it considerably wrong that wireless service works fine; but identifies as eth1?
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> not at all
[06:53] <tonyyarusso> my thinkpad does the same, always has
[08:08] <Takyoji> Apparently my desktop, which is connected directly by Ethernet claims an internet speed of 11Mbps, while the laptop claims 0.5Mbps
[08:09] <Takyoji> However the upload speed was at about the same as it was for the desktop
[08:10] <Takyoji> Based upon testing with the use of speedtest.net, and the Milwaukee, WI server