[00:00] Yep [00:01] daskreech: meh... thatll take a day or two :( [00:01] shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~neversfelde/+archive/experimental [00:01] daskreech: yeah i know about that :) [00:01] but i didnt want to package git... [00:05] :-) [00:06] You have 64 bit choqok? [00:07] daskreech: i compiled it [00:07] ok [00:10] GinoMan__: can You jump into #kwin ? [00:10] /join #kwin ? [00:10] yes [00:10] GinoMan__: Yes === otswim is now known as babalu [00:19] may be dumb to say, but I'm here... now what? [00:21] GinoMan__: which client? [00:21] client? [00:22] GinoMan__: maybe KDE 4.4 ? [00:22] daskreech: whats going on? [00:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/362248/ <--- shadeslayer [00:23] oh... KDE is 4.3.2 [00:24] I know I was asking maybe you wanted to upgrade to a newer KDE ? [00:24] KDE 4.3.4 or KDE 4.4 [00:26] that may help [00:26] http://www.kubuntu.org/node/126 [00:27] GinoMan__: ^^^ [00:28] * GinoMan__ loves sudo !! [00:28] I feel like I'm telling the computer "SUDO STUPID!!!!" [00:28] :-D [00:30] * GinoMan__ is full-upgrade-ing [00:31] * GinoMan__ waits 13 minutes for it to finish [00:31] * GinoMan__ downloads [00:38] hey, is there any cool feature additions between 4.3.2 and 4.3.4 [00:38] ? [00:38] GinoMan__: and usual logout then press alt+E on the login screen and relogin [00:38] alt E? [00:38] no features for a minor bump [00:38] it's a bugfix release [00:39] alt+E restarts X [00:39] I thought it was control alt bksp === rafael is now known as irapua [00:44] almost done [00:46] hey... can kopete do irc yet? [00:50] still crashing [00:51] GinoMan: same error [00:52] yes [00:55] i don't know if I said this but it started after I did all the updates after installing from the CD [00:55] The error doesn't come up anywhere on the net either :( [00:55] hmmm [00:56] the crash handler says there's a problem with the libGL [00:56] GinoMan: so you are surviving without kwin or you have another window manager? [00:56] metacity [00:56] which was ugly until I installed gnome and xfce [00:57] ok === aperson is now known as APERSON [01:02] what about the graphics driver not wanting to install properly [01:05] GinoMan: whatls it doing? [01:05] it's the ati driver [01:06] there's no option for making karmic packages [01:06] so I had to make jaunty packages [01:07] !ati [01:07] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [01:08] I've been to that page [01:09] the problem is that I create the driver using "aptitude install fglrx-kernel-source" and it says that everything works fine and that everything installs [01:09] but when I run "lsmod | grep fglrx" I get nothing [01:10] if I "modprobe fglrx" I get an error [01:11] GinoMan: sudo depmod [01:11] FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.31-14-generic/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory [01:11] if I modprobe [01:12] there was no output to depmod [01:12] do you have ati or some such loade? [01:12] loaded? [01:13] ati_agp 6760 0 [01:13] agpgart 34988 1 ati_agp [01:13] lsmod | grep ati [01:15] ahmmm [01:15] not sure if that's the driver [01:16] I removed the [01:16] them* [01:16] rmmod [01:16] graphics did not change at all [01:17] modprobe fglrx [01:22] FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.31-14-generic/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory [01:23] uname -r [01:24] hold on [01:24] brb [01:24] I'm gonna restart in 2.6.31.17 [01:25] can someone tell me why operation is not permitable .. sudo chown xero:xero /media/storage [01:26] xero: you probably want uid=, gid=, and/or umask= instead. [01:26] its fat32 [01:27] right, see above. [01:28] how do I set kdm as the default display manager? [01:28] tryed that [01:28] ok [01:28] brb [01:29] oh... kwin crashed on bootup again [01:29] they dont work and what shoulid i put after the = and do i type -o aswell? [01:29] like sudo chown xero:xero /media/Storage -o uid= ???????????????? [01:29] i someone culd help me with this it would be verry apreciated its a fat 32 drive so im not sure [01:30] what command will make me read wright to it [01:30] its a /dev/sda6 [01:31] anyone know of a partition maniger for linux? kinda like partition magic? [01:31] maby ill just make it a ext 4 filesystem instead [01:31] xero: it's called "partitionmanager" .. [01:31] thankyou [01:31] sudo apt-get install partitionmanger? [01:31] xero: will you be sharing this drive with a windows machine? [01:31] yes [01:31] prefreably [01:32] thats why i made it fat 32 [01:32] then don't make it ext4.. make it ext3 [01:32] couldent pick nfts from the linux menu [01:32] there are drivers for windows and ext3 [01:32] ext 3 shows up in windows? [01:32] aww ic ic [01:32] ok [01:34] why don't people make ext4, xfs, jfs, etc drivers for windows? [01:34] I mean, if you have the source code for the linux driver, shouldn't it be a simple task of porting the driver to windows? [01:34] xero: those are mount(8) options, not chown(1) options [01:35] ext3 has been around for quite some time and the driver works but occationally has quirks. [01:35] yeah i know [01:35] i just want to be able to read wright to my fat 32 [01:35] but it keeps saying i dont have permission [01:35] when i try chown it [01:35] so i wana format it with partition manager but partition manager wont let me do anything how i run it in administrator mode [01:36] linux is confuseing sometimes :( [01:36] i shoulodent have to change ownership when im on my admin account [01:37] xero: you're approaching it from the wrong angle fundamentally. It isn't a chown(1) issue; it's a mount(8) issue. [01:37] but its mounted [01:37] and i used the mounting manager and took read only off [01:37] and remounted it [01:37] what could i be missing? [01:37] what mount options were used? [01:38] GinoMan_: They do [01:38] i dunno lol just the ones that prevent me from reading and wrighting [01:38] want me to pastebin a screenshot? [01:38] of my editor? [01:38] xero: grep ntfs /proc/mounts [01:38] hmmm [01:38] nothing happen [01:38] crimsun [01:39] xero: sorry, grep vfat /proc/mounts [01:39] /dev/sda6 /media/Storage vfat rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,errors=remount-ro 0 0 [01:39] xero@Lxt9-i386:/media/Storage$ [01:39] hola [01:40] xero: is that from fstab(5)? [01:40] thats what came up [01:40] when i typed grep vfat [01:40] quelq'un parle français ds le coin ? [01:40] xero: yes, those are the /active/ options, but the options are given somewhere. I'm asking whether they're specified in /etc/fstab. [01:40] alguien habla español [01:41] dunno [01:41] what do u want me to do sire [01:41] xero: so look in /etc/fstab. [01:41] alguien habla español?? [01:41] omar: #ubuntu-es, por favor [01:41] kk [01:41] omar: lo siento, #kubuntu-es [01:42] when i set $JAVA_HOME what is the last folder that should be included, the bin or the main java folder? [01:42] # /etc/fstab: static file system information. [01:42] # [01:42] # Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier [01:42] # for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name [01:42] # devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). [01:42] xero: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [01:42] # [01:43] xero: cant you just edit your fstab to allow user access? [01:44] how? [01:44] xero: like use these options - vfat user,rw,noauto 0 0 [01:44] ummm [01:45] could u pm me the proticol for changing fstab plz? private msg i would apreciate it [01:45] i gota go l8tr guys thanks for trying [01:46] !es [01:46] En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [01:47] * GinoMan_ almost put rm * as root [01:47] instead of ./* [01:47] GinoMan_: Fear you for you are root and forgetfull [01:48] yes [01:48] granted * and ./* are the same thing [01:48] ..... [01:48] ok [01:48] I didn't know [01:49] Is there no progressbar when transfering files in Dolphin? [01:49] K350: I get one [01:50] daskreech: Where is it? [01:51] K350: If you have plasma running then it's by the i in the system tray [01:51] which will probably be a number now [01:51] aaaah [01:52] daskreech: it disapears [01:52] daskreech: I mean..it opops up and disapears [01:53] daskreech: Any idea how to make it permanent visible while transfering files? [01:53] K350: I think you can pin it [01:53] * GinoMan_ wonders how they make a self installer that's a shell script [01:53] If you click it it stays up but I have KDE 4.4 [01:53] GinoMan_: loads of ways. How who does it ? [01:54] the ati driver [01:55] daskreech: Aha, well I've KDE4...if it's not updated...... [01:55] it's a huge 81 mb file and it registers as a text file and then the text file is a shell script [01:55] K350: Well yes :) that's why you have plasma. Do you have KDE 4.3 or 4.4 ? [01:56] GinoMan_: It's a Binary file with a shell script headed [01:56] header [01:56] daskreech: Good question. what's the command teh check version? [01:56] teh/to [01:56] so what... a shell script with a tar.gz concatenated to it? [01:56] the [01:57] typos [01:57] what equipment do i need so that guests connecting to my wireless network can only browse the net and not browse other network resources? [01:57] K350: In any KDE app help -> About KDE [01:57] replace your router with a portanet [01:57] daskreech: Ah, I see... [01:57] dunga [01:58] hi GinoMan [01:58] i have a phillips webcam and installed setpwc from synaptic Pkg mngr...can anyone tell me where i can find it or how to run it? [01:58] what is a portanet? [01:59] what is setpwc ? [02:00] daskreech: I've KDE 4.3.2 Is 4.4 stable or beta? [02:00] daskreech: it is a module that is supposed to help config the phillips webcam to work in linux [02:00] dunga: 2600 vol 26, issue 4, winter 2009-2010: Page 9-12 [02:01] K350: Ahmm it's RC2 [02:01] I don't know if you consider that stable or not [02:01] basically you get a laptop with a wireless card, equip it with a second card, then set up software on it that makes it a wireless server [02:01] tcarter: setpwc from the command line doesnt start it? [02:01] you can do the same with a desktop with two wireless cards [02:02] GinoMan - you have confused me more. [02:02] hold on dunga [02:02] any special software if I went desktop solution [02:02] daskreech: no unless i was in the wrong directory but i tried several. and i cant find it anywhere under the applications menu [02:02] daskreech: Well, thanks for helpling me finding the progressbar :-) [02:04] Dunga: if you go to borders or barnes and noble, buy the hacker quarterly (2600) it's the latest one [02:04] has an old old telephone operator photograph on the front with a elderly woman as the operator wearing headphones [02:04] http://www.2600.com/covers/wi091.gif [02:04] looks like that [02:05] tcarter: Hold on [02:05] inside on the pages i cited, there's instructions on how to set up a portanet [02:05] it's a wireless router/webserver [02:05] daskreech: ok thanks [02:05] you can make it so that it's wirlessly connected to your router, you're router is encrypted [02:05] and the portanet is unencrypted [02:06] the unencrypted portanet then serves up whatever you want [02:06] a limited internet [02:06] I Googled it up. Looks plasticky - if only to judge a book by its cover [02:06] or just certian services [02:06] etc [02:06] that it provides through the encrypted router [02:06] or care of [02:06] the encrypted router [02:06] your guests connect to it instead of directly to your router [02:08] tcarter: type man setpwc [02:09] daskreech: ok [02:11] daskreech: thank you [02:11] it'd be nice if the ati package maker was more verbose [02:12] that would explain it [02:12] What did you find out [02:12] I was using ati driver 9-3 [02:12] the newest one out was 9-12 [02:12] Right [02:12] wow.... epic fail [02:14] Hi, I am stumped and the forums were not of help. I am running KDE3 on Kubuntu 9.04 (long story). When I went to update kdebase-runtime, adapt-updater had install errors and now I cannot get Firefox to start. "sudo apt-get -f install" and "sudo apt-get install kdebase-runtime" did not help. Do you have any suggestions for what I should do next? [02:14] private2: Where did you get KDE3 From? [02:16] daskreech, I found the link on the Kubuntu wiki. The site is pearsoncomputing.net [02:17] private2: ok right :) [02:17] daskreech: I have been using it for months and this is my first problem... [02:18] I'm sure they would be happy to hear about that :) [02:19] What were the errors? [02:20] FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.31-17-generic/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko): No such device [02:20] I hate my life [02:21] great [02:21] daskreech: adapt-updater says "there was an error committing changes possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages". [02:22] private2: unravel the errors manually [02:23] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] [02:23] daskreech: "sudo apt-get install kdebase-runtime" last line says "e: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". [02:23] With no reason? [02:25] daskreech: "errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4%3a4.2.2-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb" [02:26] private2: rm that file and sudo apt-get update and install again [02:30] daskreech: It still failed. "trying to overwrite /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu which is also in package kdesudo" === david is now known as Guest19268 [02:31] private2: ack that error. You can --force-overwrite [02:33] daskreech: "sudo apt-get --force-overwrite install kdebase-runtime"? [02:33] daskreech: I have never had to do that before. [02:33] Yeah it's a kdesu kdesudo conflict === aperson is now known as APERSON [02:38] daskreech: "sudo apt-get --force-yes install kdebase-runtime" had same error as before and "--force-overwrite" did not exist. [02:39] those are only options for dpkg, not apt-get. [02:40] yeah that ^^ [02:41] it's dpkg -i --force-overwrite [02:44] daskreech: "dpkg -i --force-overwrite kdebase-runtime" errors with "cannot access archive no such file or directory" [02:44] you need the full path to the deb file [02:48] Yup and got errors of "dependency problems prevent configuration of kdebase-runtime" and "package kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is not configured yet". [02:54] so now use apt-get -f install [02:56] I think that did it. Thank You VERY much :) === Malin_ is now known as Malin_away === Malin_away is now known as Malin_ [04:13] are there any realistic car games yet for linux? [04:19] no body knows === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [04:45] linux rules [04:46] moonrock713: moonrock713 we know [04:48] i think the kde release team is so in love with rc2 it refuses to officially release it :P [04:49] no i mean linux really rules....cause i can really program cool things in python [05:03] Martijn81: Yes [05:04] which one daskreech? [05:06] TORCS [05:06] I think it changed it's name recently [05:09] daskreech: i cannot enjoy this game so much to be honest :o [05:10] Martijn81: What game are you looking for? [05:10] a car game which looks like trackmania original [05:11] hard to match that right> [05:12] Trackmania is very realistic ? [05:13] well, yeah they do it well i guess [05:14] http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/games/trackmania-united-forever-on-linux-with-wine.html [05:28] hmmm, the saling game of this software builder does not work under kubuntu with wine though [05:28] let's see what trackmania does here [05:29] The what? [05:32] hehe, lol, they a sailing game too there [05:32] which should be for what i was looking for [05:33] but it does not load, unfornately [05:55] Still not following but I hope you fix it :) [06:08] anyone know where exactly in firefox it calls to the OS (linux specifically) to use a certain widget? reason being my widgets are messed up in kde 4.4 using firefox portable [06:11] tony__: Looked ok in KDE 4,3 ? [06:12] idk, new to kde and linux [06:12] sorta [06:12] it looks ok in the installed firefox, just not portable [06:15] Ah probably qtcurve [06:16] yeah, have it installed [06:16] portable probably just doesn't know it's there [06:16] reason being is it's easier atm than encrypting home partition [06:17] so portable on encrypted file works better atm [06:17] i know, just wondering where in ff's code would it be to call the widget image [06:18] i know the least bit about programming but may be of use to someone else also [06:18] idk why apps like to install all over the place in linux and windows [06:19] i'm afraid my passwords and stuff will be not be secure since they're stored in unencrypted files or folders, right? [06:21] tony__: Well if you can get on irc.mozilla.org then #firefox there would be quite helpful with the portable issue [06:21] yeah, tried though. need to register. don't know how [06:21] tony__: I don't know of apps that install all over the place [06:22] firefox does. it's got files in home, /usr/share /usr/lib, etc [06:23] is it generally safe to use firefox to store passwords? [06:26] what do you mean safe? [06:27] Anyone with Dell mini 10 or Inspiron 11Z - please confirm the touchpad bug I just sumbitted - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/512192 [06:27] i confirm [06:28] i had problems with it on my laptop [06:28] lenovo [06:28] tony__: it keeps it's files in ~ by default. For a portable config you can keep them on the encrypted Stick [06:29] however it wasnt e sensitivity issue [06:29] other problems [06:30] where can I set the shortcut for window opacity? I forgot :( [06:30] Global Shortcuts? [06:31] daskreech, where in globar shortcuts? [06:31] Kwin? [06:31] global* [06:33] hello? [06:34] btw, i'm amazed at how far kde's come. i'm watching movies on boxee, kdelirc setup so easy, and my desktop looks awesome [06:34] thanks to any kubuntu and kde devs, if you're in here [06:35] looks better than windows 7 i was using and i'm very picky about aesthetics [06:36] * alokito *still* can't find the opacity settings anywhere [06:36] * alokito is upset [06:36] opacity for what? [06:36] ouch I've forgotten google :| [06:36] system settings, appearance [06:36] tony__, windows [06:36] or right-click desktop [06:37] anyone else running an Ati gpu? perhaps a 4850? What driver do you find is the most stable? [06:37] hmm [06:37] alokito, system settings, desktop [06:37] then advanced [06:38] ok, checking :) [06:38] then translucency. is that what you're looking for? [06:38] google can find that anyway, wonder how I forgot google :P [06:39] umm there's no translucency in there @ tony__ [06:40] :-/ [06:40] it is in mine using kde 4.4rc2 [06:40] I'm in Lucid A1 KDE SC 4.4 RC1... btw :) [06:40] hmm [06:40] in 4.3 i think it was in right-clicking the desktop [06:40] in lucid a2? [06:40] sorry it's a2, not a1 === Presnus is now known as PreShower [06:41] no I'm 4.4 [06:41] maybe your card can't perform translucency, idk [06:41] no I can use all effects [06:41] well, I'm looking for manual opacity control [06:42] window* opacity [06:42] and I did have this feature in karmic but forgot where it was [06:42] i don't see it, only seen an option for "translucency" [06:42] Alt+F3 ? [06:43] then again, i'm not much help. i haven't used kde in ages [06:43] daskreech, yup, thanks... but where can I set a keyboard shortcut? [06:43] since when did kde catch up with win7? i'm surprised the progress [06:44] i.e. I want to control transparency with Alt+MouseScroll [06:44] tony__, kwin+compiz had those effects long before win-dows [06:44] tony__: I think you should be surprised the Windows 7 caught up with KDE [06:45] * alokito agrees with daskreech [06:45] * alokito boos MS [06:46] No need for that :) [06:46] yeah but windows 7 was stable with those effects [06:46] :P [06:46] kde 4 seems very stable and very usable unlike the last time i tried with 4.1 [06:47] windows, stable? [06:47] they can't even make a virus free kernel or fragment free FS! [06:47] yeah, generally moreso than linux, imo [06:47] I'm sure they could but then why would you buy the next one? [06:47] linux fragments and can get viruses, just wait until 50% userbase, if it ever happens [06:48] tony__: 4.1 was a intital release. Sort of like Windows Vista [06:48] !virus [06:48] A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21 [06:48] vista was better, very stable. just a system hog [06:48] Really? [06:48] Hmm I crashed it the first day I got it [06:48] tony__, virus attack is impossible *without* the user's own will in the sudo/root system [06:48] It blamed Firefox [06:49] i started jdownloader lastnight for the first time and it crashed my whole system, a java app. not very good [06:49] in any case all of this is offtopic [06:49] !ot [06:49] #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [06:49] alokito, impossible in the loosest sense of the word [06:49] ok, back on topic [06:49] hmm yes [06:50] we should talk about this in offtopic channel [06:50] but i'm using rc software. seems surprisingly stable [06:50] i have no need to flame other os's, just got off topic [06:50]