[00:00] yeah, there is definitely room for improvements, but right now, I am happy with the KISS approach [00:01] The use case would be something like: I like to know when my friends come online, except when I'm busy. I still need to know when my boss comes online, even when I'm busy. [00:02] easier said then done [00:03] WeatherGod: against specific packages? netbook-launcher ubuntu-netbook-remix ,etc [00:03] I'm not sure that *I'd* find this a compelling option to add, but it's getting closer to something that might be actually useful :) [00:03] arand, it is a problem with "Show Desktop", but I have found it only happening for UNR [00:05] WeatherGod: hmm, might fall under nautilus, with a mention of UNR-only... I guess #ubuntu-bugs or whatever the unr # is would know best. [00:05] ok, will do [00:06] I think there should be at least some form of notify me even when I'm full screen [00:07] with the advent of 16:9 I run everything I can full screen, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be "disturbed" [00:08] Why empathy's IRC window grows as I type? [00:11] alex_mayorga, again, that is yet another possible use case... I know I certainly don't want notifications from Pidgin when I am doing a presentation or if I am showing something to my co-workers [00:17] WeatherGod: set to Busy [00:17] or offline [00:18] away still shows you notifications, *if* directed at you [00:19] BUGabundo, good to know, thanks [00:24] In my book presentation is the corner case, no the other way around [00:25] I haven't done a presentation since I graduated [00:26] I guess I don't have a glamorous job as most people :) [00:26] but I'm pretty sure statistics would back me up on that one [00:27] presentation is not as widespread as devs seem to believe [00:27] WeatherGod: plus , if anything is FULL SCREEN the notifications are turned off [00:28] which on smallish notebooks a.k.a "netbooks" would be all the time [00:33] eheh [00:48] 16:9... bleh. [00:49] damn lcd manufacturers. [00:49] Let's go make their houses have 6-foot tall ceilings. Hey look, no wasted space! [00:51] heh, I put ubuntu on a netbook my dad is also using, and I told him that he can choose to boot Windows at the boot menu that'll come up. He booted into ubuntu, and then wondered why it did that.... he said, "oh, this text thing came up, so I didn't read it." [00:51] (probably also due to him not having his glasses on.) [00:57] something to read came on the screen, so naturally he didn't read it... [00:57] pc users are used to things being done for them [00:58] he's also stubborn... I put Win7 on it, and he said, "I don't want Windows 7." -- yet, he's never even TRIED win7. [00:59] Is it possible to install lucid onto an SD card? [01:00] DanaG: Heh, I know about stubborn dads. My dad was against Firefox for a couple of years. Despite never using it, he called it "Fireshit" [01:00] I had to hide ubuntu for a while too (using a floppy to boot it) [01:01] he also got my mom a mac.... and hates using it every time he has to help her... yet insists on sticking with it. [01:01] Well, at least my mom doesn't mind it so much -- though it took a year, and some new peripherals, to get there. [01:02] I happen to be a huge Mac fan -- my old middle school was full of them and kinda got me hooked, but sadly I haven't used one since [01:02] Too expensive for us [01:04] * DanaG hates the Apple window manager, and their mouse acceleration "curve" (curve? hah! It's more like a sharp bend.) [01:05] Haven't noticed any "curve" [01:06] if you use a mapple you become a slave to steve mobs [01:09] So everyone who ever went to my middle school became a slave? [01:10] (and why did you put an "m" on "apple")? [01:10] Some_Person, you haven't been watching your simpsons... [01:11] I do watch the simpsons [01:13] even I caught that one, and I have been out of the loop for a while [01:13] he used the m to avoid lawsuits and such ;) [01:13] oh, i just looked it up. i must have missed that episode :-( [01:13] no, I tried to convince my mother to try Ubuntu for her new computer, telling her that it is more like WinXP and Win7 (she hates changes) [01:14] she refused, and kept bungling the pronounciation [01:14] "UBoxee?" [01:14] lol, that's the worst i've heard [01:15] she also calls Firefox "FoxFire" [01:16] at least I was able to switch her to that by redirecting her Comcast shortcut [01:16] and importing her favorites, she never knew the difference [01:17] anyway, she decided to go with Win7 because her job was going to have training sessions for Win7 and was switching to it [01:17] I don't know how she has taken to the new Office, though [01:18] but she was willing to try OpenOffice [01:18] WeatherGod: how old is she? [01:18] 55-ish [01:18] I haven't been able to convert my mom-in-law as there's no Cubis for ubuntu [01:19] this is the person who kept our whole family on AOL during that whole "America Offline" deal a long time ago because she couldn't use anything else [01:19] Cubis? [01:20] http://www.freshgames.com/games/cubis2 [01:20] haven't found an open clone yet [01:20] oy [01:20] 300 levels of that? [01:21] then again, I did get a little addicted to frozenbubble [01:22] alex_mayorga, I take it doesn't work in Wine? [01:22] haven't tried lately, but it didn't on karmic [01:23] probably use more recent DirectX stuff, just for kicks [01:23] actually, no, looks like the requirement is DX7 [01:23] go figure [01:37] anyway, do you think I could install lucid to an SD card? [01:37] sure, but whether that's crackful is debatable. [01:39] wouldn't that depend on the BIOS? [01:45] I can install to SDHC card, but the initramfs is missing the sdhc controller drivers! [01:45] DanaG: so add them to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules [01:45] yeah, but I mean, it'd be nice to have it there out-of-the-box. [01:46] My sd card reader also didn't claim DMA support; I had to force-enable it. [01:46] so file bugs against linux. [01:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/422986 [01:48] Ubuntu bug 422986 in initramfs-tools "mmc_core sdhci_pci sdhci and mmc_block not available in initramfs_tools" [Undecided,New] [01:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/268863 [01:49] Ubuntu bug 268863 in grub-installer "Ubuntu doesn't install on bootable SD-card" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [01:52] 422986 triaged. [01:53] I might as well copy my comment from the latter into the former. [01:55] cool, thanks. Tweaked my wording a bit, as well. [05:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/496994 [05:24] Ubuntu bug 496994 in gnome-power-manager "i can't change brightness of LCD screen on my notebook. only in 9.10." [Low,Incomplete] [05:25] Brightness doesn't change. [05:55] just tried gnome-shell on the netbook. [05:55] Window manager warning: Log level 16: Could not load library [/usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libgnome-shell.so (libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)] [05:59] phail. [06:02] grr. [06:04] DanaG: With the Lucid packages? That's awkward; it works for me, and I spent some time fixing gjs so that shell would work. [06:04] Weird. [06:04] Maybe because I have ubuntu-mozilla-daily? [06:05] Yes, that's the problem. But I thought I'd fixed it so that gnome-shell simply wouldn't install if you didn't have the right version of mozilla. [06:05] And it's a badly-worded error message too, then. =þ [06:05] What does “apt-cache policy xulrunner-1.9.1” return? [06:06] Anyway... I can't give up ubuntu-mozilla-daily until I can get firefox-3.6 from non-ppa. [06:06] *** 1.9.1.8~hg20100122r26732+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 0 [06:06] Oh. ARSE! [06:06] okay, so I can downgrade xulrunner, at least. [06:06] And I guess that you've got libgjs0 version 0.4-4ubuntu3 installed? [06:07] yup. [06:07] DanaG: Not without breaking firefox, I think. [06:07] Poot. 1.9.1.8~ < 1.9.1.8. [06:07] 3.6 is 1.9.2, isn't it? [06:07] yay, downgrading 1.9.1 worked. [06:07] okay, that not-needing-to-click-on-the-menu thing is weird. [06:08] And there's this mysterious thing that shows what I'm currently running... but makes me think it should be a launcher or a task-switcher like the netbook thingy. [06:08] Maybe. I know that we're planning to move away from xulrunner as a separate package for Firefox, so if FF 3.6 works while you've got xulrunner-1.9.1 installed, that's obviously happened. [06:08] x-nautilus-desktop. nice. [06:08] Hi, how do i change the program gdm uses to hibernate? [06:09] if i can [06:09] also weird: activating the activities thing brings up a window I thought was gone. [06:09] hmm, alt+tab-tab... the switcher goes away. [06:09] Also weird. [06:10] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-gnomeshell.png [06:13] hmm, I hit alt-f2, enter Pictures/ -- it tries to execute the directory. [06:13] =þ [06:13] That's a gentle reminder that you should be using GNOME Do. [06:16] hmm, how to I tell gnome-shell to go away and give me the old panel back? [06:19] compiz --replace [06:19] Didn't give me back my panel. :( [06:19] gnome-panel, then :) [06:19] If you're not running Do, you may need to switch to a VT to run that, I guess. [06:20] or ssh. [06:20] Also possible. [06:21] heh, by adding an avahi service, I was able to make my laptop appear as "Mac Server" instead of "PC Server" on my mom's imac. [06:22] astebinit /etc/avahi/services/samba.service [06:22] http://pastebin.com/f49ef8c61 [06:34] "usplash main process terminated with status 2" [06:35] lolwut? usplash? why? [06:41] You can still have usplash installed if you try. [06:41] I didn't try, though. [06:41] And the system keeps failing to reboot. [06:42] Sits there with plymouth doing nothing -- and I have even tweaked it to use spinfinity. [06:42] Spinfinity, minus "infinity" symbol, would be nice. [06:42] Even has a progress bar. [07:02] i'm having this weird thing where when i hit play/pause, previous track, next track, or stop, the mouse cursor jumps to the top of the screen [07:02] i couldn't find if this is happening to other people or whether it's a keyboard-specific or some X related thing [08:01] In https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa I'm not seeing freenx server yet, will there be a version for Lucid or only neatx will be available? === deegee_1 is now known as deegee [08:53] morning === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg [09:24] BUGabundo_remote, morning [09:30] olá cwillu [09:30] I got three straws with my mcdonalds [09:31] what package to I file that against? [09:50] hello, good mornig ppl [09:53] welcome Em [09:53] welcome EmperiuM === EmperiuM is now known as emperium [09:54] ehehe [09:54] estás em todas [10:04] emperium: ehe yeah I try to. that's the _problem_ in being an Ubuntu Member :p [10:04] emperium: running lucid? I though you were in karmic [10:05] last night I was a karmic user, after the system update it became like this :( [10:07] I think it's not Lucid that is runnig, I think that it's a beta version of something [10:07] grub or 9.1x [10:08] emperium, are you accepting strange source.list files from strangers? [10:08] nop [10:09] just have ubuntu and the Wine [10:09] in the list of trust sources [10:09] emperium: $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list [10:10] just type that? the Karmic wont boot, just have command line [10:10] ahh [10:10] you are in the recovery console then [10:11] emperium, grub command line or a console? [10:11] i think so [10:11] bad kernel upgrade / KMS I guess [10:11] did you get any boot messages, or it just the grub prompt? [10:11] just grub prompt [10:11] you should try #ubuntu since +1 is aimed at lucid user [10:11] i will take a pic [10:11] if it's the grub prompt, you can still boot, although I'm not clear on the details [10:12] I guess a update-grub from a live cd, chrooted would fix it [10:12] emperium, tab completion should work: "initrd init" <- choose a particular one that you know boots [10:12] went I type boot it says "no loadede kernel" [10:12] and then "linux vmlinuz" same one [10:12] emperium, do what I say, not what you think I'm going to say :p [10:12] you need to load the initrd image, and then the kernel image, before you can boot :) [10:13] if tab completion doesn't work, try "initrd /" or "initrd /boot/" [10:14] yes, it list something [10:14] choose one, probably the latest or second latest [10:14] you can still you tab to complete once you've typed the next bit [10:18] it says "yyou need to load tge kernel first" [10:18] I typed initr /boot/System.map-2.6.31--generic4 [10:18] I typed initr /boot/System.map-2.6.31-generic4 [10:19] I typed initr /boot/System.map-2.6.31-generic [10:19] [I forgot to tell that I'm a n0ob in linux ] [10:24] initrd [10:24] might need to do "linux ..." first, although I thought I had it right [10:35] Hello, I am finding ext4 performance on Ubuntu 10.04 alpha2 really really slow [10:35] does anyone know how I can fix it? [10:36] first impression is that you may be jumping to conclusions; can you give the specific symptoms you're seeing, as well as any relevant details (if it was an ext3 -> ext4 conversion, fs options, etc) [10:36] haven't noticed anything myself [10:37] well I really doubt Ubuntu 10.04 will hit 10 second boot on the dell mini with the 2.6.32 kernal [10:37] I have searched all over google, and ex4 performance took a huge hit to make less chance of dataloss [10:39] Lord-Readman, talk symptoms you're seeing, not stuff repeated from blogs and mailing lists; yes, write barriers are there, no, they're not going to be responsible for ubuntu becoming really really slow, unless you're definition of really really slow consists of a 10% throughput loss on benchmarks :p [10:39] I am seeing really slow postgre database performance as I was testing out OpenERP [10:40] further searches pointed me to ext4 in the 2.6.32 kernal [10:40] now we're getting somewhere :) [10:40] FYI (10:35:34 AM) asac_: i think today we will announce multisearch II ;) [10:40] so get your Firefox's ready [10:40] Lord-Readman, can you be more specific still? [10:41] when updating product stock for 2000 items, it used to be more or less instant [10:41] now there is a good 7-10second lag [10:41] Even recompiled from source to make sure everything went okay. [10:41] what sort of queries does that involve? just a straight table with no indexes or procedures? [10:42] and is this a fresh install/fresh file system, or a conversion/upgrade? [10:42] not sure exactly, just know its setup the same as on 9.10 but mega slow on 10.04a2 [10:42] fresh install [10:42] backed up and imported data [10:43] same as the move from 8.04 to 9.10 [10:43] is this your own database, or a benchmark/example code? [10:43] own company database [10:43] that's the sort of thing I'd expect to see if each item was committed separately [10:46] well i'll just wait on, the only thing i can do is let people know [10:46] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_then_now&num=1 is what I was reading, looks scary and hope things get better towards release time i suppose [10:47] Lord-Readman, the scary thing is that the old behaviour was incorrect, meaning that an fsync didn't necessarily get to the disk before completion (which is a Bad Thing for a database) [10:47] most of the hits on google describe how to set it to the ext3 setting via disabling barriers [10:48] Lord-Readman, it's not an ubuntu thing though. You'll probably get better advice asking in postgres' channel [10:49] running the default benchmark for postgre in 9.10 gives 1400 transactions per second, in the alpha it gives me 90 [10:49] ok [10:49] il go see what they say [10:49] thanks [10:49] I just asked in #postgres [10:49] what they say? [10:49] nothing yet :p [10:50] ok, many thanks [10:50] il wait for an answer [10:52] I cant make it boot, so I'll do a clean installation [10:52] :) [10:55] """On the other, anyone who believed the fictitious numbers before is going to be in a rude surprise and think there's a massive regression here. There's some potential for this to show PostgreSQL in a bad light, when people discover they really only can get ~100 commits/second out of cheap hard drives and assume the database is to blame. Interesting times. """ [10:55] from the postgres mailing list [11:01] emperium: clean install is the last resort [11:02] a simple live session, chrooting to your install will fix that [11:02] I know, but as you now i noob, and I use the wubi to istall this :=) [11:04] ugh [11:04] there is a time and a place for wubi. Someday I'll discover where and when that is :p === repete is now known as repete-afk [11:10] ahhhh wubi [11:10] that explains it [11:11] cwillu: wubi was great in 8.04/.10 [11:11] but in 9.10 is very much broken, when running kernel upgrades [11:11] wubi was never great, don't lie :p [11:11] emperium: checkout launchpad. there's a bug and a workaround for _your_ problem [11:11] cwillu: LIES LIES ... it was great! [11:12] helped A LOT users, easing the install without having to make partitions [11:12] * cwillu greps for the earliest reference to BUGabundo in his xchat [11:12] 2007 ? [11:12] we've had an autopartitioner since 5.04 [11:12] you don't have to think about partitions if you don't want to :p [11:12] cwillu: data loss, does it mean anything to you? [11:13] BUGabundo_remote, yes, yes it does. That's why I don't use wubi :p [11:13] ahahaha [11:13] cwillu: grep LP instead for emperium bug [11:13] * cwillu huggles BUGabundo_remote [11:13] * BUGabundo_remote picks up cwillu poking stick [11:15] LOLOLOL [11:15] running pidgin in gdb [11:16] when it breaks, I type 'c', and it carries on [11:16] cool === repete-afk is now known as repete [11:57] hi [11:57] is the fglrx working yet on lucid? [12:13] is the fglrx working yet on lucid? === sal is now known as Guest15503 [13:02] is the fglrx working yet on lucid? [13:02] ati proprietary i mean [13:02] any testing ppa 's? [13:03] indus, if you fill my scrollback with that question, will you stop asking? :p [13:04] indus, the lack of response means nobody here knows; stay in the channel and the next person to see the question who knows will answer [13:05] that said, fglrx depends entirely on a working version being released, and they're somewhat notorious for not keeping up with xorg [13:06] cwillu, hi [13:06] <3 [13:06] cwillu, wait i tryto comprehend what you said :) [13:07] indus, you keep asking "are we there yet?" [13:07] cwillu, yea [13:07] cwillu, in alpha 2 it isnt i read, but new catalyst is due this week [13:07] so iam hopeful [13:08] cwillu, also, dont want to get into the ati/nvidia debate [13:08] so watch the catalyst newsfeed, it'll show up there first :p [13:08] indus, so use the open driver [13:08] cwillu, how is lucid otherwise [13:08] cwillu, i have radeaon 4850 so no luck [13:09] not sure if radeon HD driver is ready yet, i check wiki but it says no, maybe the xorg edgers ppa is ready? [13:09] cwillu, happy new year also :D [13:09] iam so itching to try the latest, but maybe should wait till next month [13:10] cwillu, one question , is it ati's work to make driver work with xorg or is it ubuntu's job [13:10] the proprietary driver ("fglrx") is completely and utterly ati's job. We can' [13:11] We can't do anything except copy it into our repository and forward debugging information, and we really hate to do that when we could instead be working on the open driver [13:11] i have catalyst 9.12 [13:11] utterly irrelevant :p [13:11] its good but has some flickering [13:12] but this argument is same as, go ask your motherboard maker for drivers, we cant help [13:12] most motherboards are very well supported though [13:12] but its all reverse engineered now isnt it, so ubuntu works on almost all hardware [13:12] the only exception is via video chipsets [13:13] so why the attitude with graphics cards [13:13] indus, because everything else gets proper support from the vendors [13:13] cwillu, really? where. try webcams [13:13] whereas the video card vendors try to hide stuff in their drivers [13:13] cwillu, is mobo specs open? [13:13] indus, webcams are completely unrelated to mobo's [13:14] hmm never mind webcams [13:14] usb devices have the same general problems, but on the other hand, far more usb devices work out of the box with no additional drivers needed than on windows [13:14] just wondering why all mobos work fine with network ,sound etc [13:14] only realtek drivers and specs are open as far as i know [13:14] indus, because they are all supported by the chipset vendors [13:14] but nvidia chipsets work fine too [13:15] nvidia is not open the nforce ones [13:15] the forcedeth drivers are reverse engineered for networking to work [13:15] lkml is a good place to read about this [13:15] lkml [13:15] ok link please [13:15] type it into firefox and hit enter [13:15] anyways, last question [13:16] is the desktop looking same or a little different [13:16] i only upgrade for looks , honest [13:16] ever since dapper , i see the same installation screens [13:17] anyways, i think i ll download install on a separate partition today [13:17] ethernet drivers aren't any more complicated really than basic video support on a video card; the acceleration used on a video card is way harder to reverse engineer [13:17] cwillu, argumentative :) [13:17] in general, most hardware _is_ supported to some extent by the chipset manufacturers [13:17] cwillu, but nvm [13:17] indus, I'm trying :p [13:17] :) [13:17] ok thanks though, that mobo question plagues me no end [13:17] i will read more about it [13:18] I can't remember the last time I had somethign on a mobo not work properly out of the box [13:18] * indus goes for a smoke [13:18] you haven't yet specified an actual problem :p [13:18] cwillu, just the ati one, cant plunge because need 3d [13:18] and free drivers dont yet support the 4000 series [13:19] indus, you should probably wait for the official ubuntu release, or at least a beta [13:19] cwillu, no sorry no patience for that :D [13:19] ill wait till alpha 3 [13:19] indus, funny you should say that :p [13:19] or until it looks different [13:19] ok gtg [13:19] laters [13:20] my argumentative pose is reflective of my impatience with you :p [13:20] * cwillu upgrades to indus alpha 0.94 [13:20] bah, segfault [13:33] Hello alltogether, I'm not familiar using IRC so please be patient with faults I might do ;o)) [13:34] !hi | bitsfritz [13:34] bitsfritz: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay! [13:35] I get troubles with xmodmap since Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 which I found several related bugs, but no enlighting answers or fixing. This is still present in lucid lynx alpha - Is this the right place to ask? [13:36] ask and someone might be able to help out [13:36] bitsfritz, checking and filing bugs on launchpad is probably the most useful thing; there's often good workarounds available, and that's the best place for information to be documented [13:37] I can't speak for all of us, but most of my replies consist of checking launchpad for relevant bugs, and linking the asker to them; if you can do that yourself, then that's even better :) [13:37] In that context, discussion here is useful to find people to duplicate/test/confirm/whatever [13:37] cwillu: LP and upstream [13:37] bitsfritz, LP and upstream :p [13:38] * BUGabundo_remote returns to hiding with a smile in its face [13:38] * cwillu is lazy, and strongly encourages all projects everywhere to use launchpad :p [13:44] I visited Launchpad and all related issues told me something like: "good point - you'r great!". I dont't wo [13:44] want to add one more of those [13:45] ;o)) [13:55] bitsfritz, reading all the comments is also good :) [13:56] but yes, if it's already been reported, and you're sure its the same issue, then feel free to click the "This bug affects me too" and "subscribe me" without adding a "me too" comment :) [13:57] I've put the list of bugs I found here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/362608/ [13:57] maybe this helps. But looking at me writing this, I think one more whicht collects them all might be a good Idea ;o)) [13:57] not necessarily, if they're not actually duplicates, then that just _really_ confuses things for the developers [13:58] bitsfritz, in your own words, what's the behaviour you're seeing? [13:59] In my words: xmodmap doesn't map the keybord in an usable way. [13:59] more specific [14:00] what makes it unusable? [14:01] hiyas [14:02] hey BluesKaj [14:02] hi BUGabundo_remote [14:02] I've made an xmodmapfile for my germa laptop keybord which enhances some missing keys. That works on every linux I've tried except ubuntu since al least 8.10 [14:03] bitsfritz, have you tried a recent'ish debian? [14:03] (alternatively, what recent distros work fine?) [14:04] The last I tried was a knoppix 6.x and a recent grml both work fine [14:04] no idea what their x looks like [14:05] care to try a fedora livecd? my first reflex is that this is an xorg auto-detection/related thingie, but I"m not really up to speed on the evdev/input-framework stuff [14:05] it'd be interesting to find another distro with the same problem [14:09] cwillu, as I told it might be a good Idea to setup a new bug, for the mentioned ones show symptoms of what I see, but don't tell the whole story - so it won't be a duplikate [14:09] fair enough, although the results of any experiments are prime details to include on such a bug report :) [14:18] Yes this is what I think of. Give me some time to collect the information and provide them in a usable way. [14:18] Will You lurk around here a later time so that I can anounce you the bug number? [14:19] I'm always in channel, although I'm going to be afk for about a day or so. There should be lots of other people active though, especially given a nice monday morning :) [14:19] #ubuntu-bugs may also be apropos, given that this is an issue you've seen on previous releases (although myself I'd put the focus on fixing thing for the next release; I'm just an interested by-stander though, so don't take that as official :p) [14:22] <_stink_> hey folks. just installed lucid 64 bit and upgraded stuff as normal. now as i go to install the package ldm-server (among other things), it seems to be working fine until apt gets to the line "Setting up ldm-server... (2:2.0.53-0ubuntu1)", then it sits essentially forever. the latest line in /var/log/dpkg.log is "... status half-configured ldm-server 2:2.0.53-0ubuntu1", and no more activity. i know others may not have tr [14:23] I'd like to see fixed that for the next release which is LTS. [14:26] _stink_: if you restart openbsd-inetd from another terminal, it continues [14:26] <_stink_> alkisg: :D good seeing you here! [14:26] :) [14:26] <_stink_> alkisg: i see. this was known? [14:27] _stink_: I'm not sure. I experienced it today, but I don't think there's a bug report filed for it [14:27] It may have to do with upstart-ifying openbsd-inetd [14:28] <_stink_> alkisg: ok. i also tried ctrl-c'ing it, and apt seems to have smartly noticed and recovered at the end. [14:45] things seems to be working well so far :) just did update after a week of the system being down :) [14:48] I have dirs dying when i try to open them in dolphin or konq ...it's getting tiresome :P [15:34] Interested in learning about how to do development work in Ubuntu? Join in on the Ubuntu Developer Week to learn! Ubuntu Developer Week is starting in approx. 30 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek for more info [15:48] anyone help me with hotsync with palm pre [15:58] anyone know what folder/file that holds deams that are loaded by default [15:58] deams [15:58] ? [15:58] sorry deamons [15:58] gnome daemons, or system? [15:58] daemons [15:58] /etc/init is where /etc/init.d/ lives as upstart jobs now [15:58] better yet system [15:59] thanks [15:59] /etc/init/tty1 is a good example of the bare minimum [15:59] most of the converted jobs aren't exactly as simple as they could be :p [16:00]