[00:13] <kermiac> anyone know a good "standard reply" to get someone who upgraded from Jaunty to Karmic but is still using Jaunty kernel (Uname: Linux 2.6.28-11-generic i686)?
[00:14] <kermiac> bug 512065
[00:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512065 in checkbox (Ubuntu) "upgrade 9.04 to 9.10 no sound (affects 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512065
[00:14] <yofel> oh, I remember something like that from the karmic testing days
[00:14] <kermiac> I've seen bugs mentioning this type of thing before but can't find one atm
[00:14] <yofel> iirc  update-grub doesn't work with modified menu.lst files
[00:15] <yofel> remove menu.lst, run update-grub and it should work
[00:15] <kermiac> ok, ty yofel. I'll suggest that :)
[00:17] <crimsun> it's in the release notes for Karmic
[00:18] <yofel> bug 470265 maybe
[00:18] <crimsun> it is not a checkbox bug; it is not a sound bug.
[00:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470265 in grub (Ubuntu) "jaunty to karmic upgrade failed to update menu.lst (update-grub missing from kernel-img.conf) (affects 4) (dups: 2)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470265
[00:18] <crimsun> don't dupe it; just retriage it to affect grub
[00:18] <crimsun> (per slangasek's request)
[00:34] <kermiac> ty crimsun - done
[01:11]  * micahg likes the new ubot4 features :)
[01:11]  * ddecator agrees
[01:14] <yofel> great, aren't they :D
[01:14] <WeatherGod> what new features?
[01:14] <ddecator> so great, you discover new ones without meaning to o.O
[01:15] <yofel> WeatherGod: number of affected persons and duplicates
[01:15] <WeatherGod> ah, neat
[01:15] <WeatherGod> just noticed that
[01:17] <yofel> Whishlist bug 512058, if someone has the time...
[01:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512058 in tar (Debian) (and 1 other project) "tar should suggest xz-utils (affects 2)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512058
[01:20] <ddecator> so out of curiosity, i haven't been able to find this on the wiki, how does it work that you gain the ability to triage the importance of bugs and set more statuses? does someone give your account a certain status?
[01:20] <yofel> ddecator: only bug control can do that
[01:20] <yofel> ddecator: after being in the bugsquad for a while you can apply for bug control
[01:20] <yofel> lemme get the wiki page
[01:21] <yofel> actually it's linked from the LP team page: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol
[01:21] <ddecator> yah, i just found it, thanks yofel , i was confused about that
[01:23] <ddecator> ah, perfect, that's what i want to get into =)
[01:46] <hggdh> yofel: done
[01:47] <yofel> hggdh: thx :)
[01:47] <hggdh> heh. Hopefully I will not need to do that in a few ;-)
[01:50] <ddecator> i'm guessing yofel is working on getting in bug control as well?
[01:50] <yofel> hggdh: me too :P
[01:51] <hggdh> ddecator: indeed. He has the votes for, just waiting on the bugmeister to act on it
[01:51] <ddecator> very cool yofel , hopefully i'll be able to follow relatively quickly =)
[01:52] <yofel> ddecator: just keep up the good work and I don't see why not ;)
[01:53] <ddecator> yofel, thanks, i got one full upstream triage under my belt so hopefully it won't be too hard to meet the rest of the requirements =)
[02:19] <ddecator> i'm looking at bug 512081 which is for Firefox 3.5.7, and i've found a bug upstream that matches it, but is 3.6 considered an official release for Ubuntu since it isn't in the official repository? i'm not sure whether to link the bugs or ask him to upgrade to 3.6 and see if it fixes the problem
[02:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512081 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "Hotmail doesn't open messages with Firefox under Ubuntu 9.10 (affects 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512081
[02:21] <crimsun> well, firefox (3.6 in lucid) is still awaiting source NEW
[02:21] <micahg> ddecator: where's the upstream
[02:22] <nigel_nb> micahg, not in PPA yet?
[02:22] <ddecator> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366830 the bug itself is old but someone just commented on it with more information a few days ago
[02:22] <ubot4> Mozilla bug 366830 in General "After opening Hotmail, cannot open individual emails." [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[02:22] <micahg> nigel_nb: in PPA, not in Lucid
[02:23] <nigel_nb> Oh,
[02:23] <micahg> ddecator: first thing to do is to ask to try in a new profile
[02:24] <ddecator> micahg, whats the easiest way to try a new FF profile?
[02:25] <micahg> ddecator: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/362314/
[02:25] <ddecator> perfect, thanks micahg
[02:30] <micahg> ddecator: not sure what to do with the upstream though
[02:30] <micahg> I guess you can link it, but I don't want to confirm upstream's bug yet
[02:30] <micahg> so just enter in LP right now
[02:31] <ddecator> right, that was my other thing was that the upstream was unconfirmed as well. i'll work with the person on ubuntu for now and just keep my eye on the upstream bug for changes.
[02:31] <micahg> ddecator: upstream probably won't change
[02:32] <micahg> ddecator: ping me if you need something in mozilla upstream tracker
[02:32] <micahg> let's see if the new profile helps
[02:32] <ddecator> good point micahg , i've submitted bugs to mozilla in the past and i don't know if anything ever got addressed haha, and i'll keep that in mind, i appreciate it
[02:32] <micahg> ddecator: they're like us, too many bugs, not enough people
[02:32] <micahg> ddecator: so if you can find duplicates when searching, let me know
[02:33] <ddecator> micahg, sure thing
[02:33] <nigel_nb> bug 469693, seems to be something to do with ubuntu tweak.  Shall I close the bug as invalid?
[02:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 469693 in ubuntu "installing software breaks mouse clicks (affects 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/469693
[02:34] <micahg> ddecator: if we can find the extension that's causing the issue that can help upstream as well
[02:35] <ddecator> micahg, very true, and i have more experience with extension conflicts so hopefully if that's the problem i'll be able to help the person
[02:39] <ddecator> nigel_nb, it seems more of a bug in ubuntu tweak to me, something isn't changing the features of the system right...maybe first request more information such as the ubuntu tweak version, their system info, and all of the problems they're experiencing?
[02:40] <nigel_nb> yea, which means its supposed to be set to closed, I was just hoping for someone to suggest it was in packages, since no one did, its an invalid ubuntu bug
[02:42] <ddecator> nigel_nb, ah, i didn't realize ubuntu-tweak wasn't in the packages
[02:43] <nigel_nb> :)
[02:45] <ddecator> nigel_nb, i forget what i install from .deb and from PPAs sometimes haha. yah, i guess there isn't anything we're going to be able to do...i don't even see a bug submitter on ubuntu tweak's website
[02:46] <nigel_nb> exactly!
[02:47] <ddecator> that's scary...and i don't think removing ubuntu tweak resets anything...
[02:47] <nigel_nb> it will retain the corrupted configs, a reinstall is the only way out I see
[02:48] <ddecator> if the person isn't able to reset the config using ubuntu tweak, then yah, i don't know if there is much else you can do, unless someone with more experience in this kind of area knows of a way to reset the default settings
[05:43] <owen1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/512192
[05:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512192 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "configuring Elan tech touchpad on Delll Inspiron 11z (affects 1)" [Undecided,New]
[05:44] <persia> owen1: We generally recommend against triaging our own bugs, but you may be able to help the process along.
[05:45] <persia> The first step would be to find another user with the affected hardware, and have them replicate the issue, and mark the bug "Confirmed".
[05:45] <persia> Confirming our own bugs is avoided because we can't know if it's a local system issue or a general repo issue.
[05:45] <owen1> persia: thanks, i'll do that
[07:24] <jpds> yofel: Not really, it's not easy because the tasks come in numbers, and I'm just reading data from the last created task.
[07:31] <kermiac> I'm doing SRU testing for java5 - bug 484288. I have verified the propesed package as working fine in hardy, but it also mentions testing for dapper. Should I bother downloading the dapper iso to test this? Didn't dapper support finish last year?
[07:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484288 in sun-java5 (Ubuntu Hardy) (and 2 other projects) "update to 1.5.0-22 (affects 1)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484288
[07:33] <persia> kermiac: Dapper still has server support, and some people run Java on the server.
[07:35] <kermiac> persia: good point, I forgot server gets extra support. So do you think I should test this on dapper server then instead? I need to d/l the iso either way
[07:54] <Yos> bug 301174
[07:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 301174 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Use proper sound event instead of system beep (affects 19) (dups: 2)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301174
[08:03] <Yos> why is bug 475816 marked as a duplicate of bug 301174 ?
[08:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 475816 in compiz (Ubuntu) "No bell/alert sound in Karmic with visual effects turned on (dup-of: 301174)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/475816
[08:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 301174 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Use proper sound event instead of system beep (affects 19) (dups: 2)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301174
[08:13] <om26er> is it fine to take papercuts against synaptic as its gonna get replaced in lucid
[08:15] <mvo> om26er: its going to stay in lucid, there is still stuff depending on it
[08:15] <mvo> om26er: what idea/bug do you have in mind?
[08:16] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/504646
[08:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504646 in synaptic (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Synaptic's default toolbar settings not in sync with GNOME 2.28 defaults (affects 2)" [Undecided,New]
[08:17] <mvo> om26er: aha, nice - if you have a fix, please let me know I check it out
[08:19]  * om26er is not a developers/patcher
[08:21] <owen1> how many people should be affected by a bug so it will be fixed by ubuntu developers?
[08:32] <jpds> owen1: That has nothing to do with it.
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[08:53] <owen1> jpds: so it's the severity + number of people?
[08:59] <owen1> good night good people. keep up the good work!
[09:28] <kyubutsu> i need debugging symbols package for kdeinit4. its segfaulting on start
[09:31] <kyubutsu> but even tho plasma workspace is down, i can still use alt-f2 to call programs
[09:33] <kyubutsu> window borders and theme are ok, just no desktop .. i kind of like it a bit
[12:16] <kamusin> hey
[13:58] <Nelis> Hello, for a school project I have to spend like 50 hours or so on an open source project. I was thinking it would be nice to get involved in some bug triaging to get some better knowledge of Ubuntu. Is this possible and if so could someone get me started?
[14:02] <persia> It's possible.
[14:02] <persia> Anyone here can get you started, but you'd probably do best to read the links in the /topic, and ask questions if you have any.
[14:04] <Nelis> Ok, thank you.
[14:15] <om26er> please mark this triaged https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/436537
[14:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 436537 in empathy "advanced settings not shown in first use wizard makes sametime setup hard" [Low,Confirmed]
[14:15] <om26er> and also I think medium would be a better priority as the user is not able to make an account at first run
[14:16] <om26er> only for 'sametime'
[14:50] <om26er> mark this triaged any one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/436537
[14:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 436537 in empathy "advanced settings not shown in first use wizard makes 'sametime' setup hard" [Low,Confirmed]
[14:52] <charlie-tca> om26er: Good morning... done
[14:52] <om26er> charlie-tca, thanx and its night here
[14:54] <charlie-tca> om26er: Good evening
[15:30] <cjohnston> Don't forget... Ubuntu Developer Week is starting in 30 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat  - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[15:59] <micahg> qense: why were the firefox packages considered small?
[16:00] <qense> ah, that was my bad
[16:00] <qense> I didn't do that consiouscly
[16:00] <qense> I just kept them in the list because you're a person and not a team
[16:00] <qense> iirc
[16:00]  * micahg needs to check if Mozilla Team should be on the list with KernelTeam
[16:01] <micahg> qense: I'm the only bug control member committed, but there is  a team of devs behind FF
[16:01] <micahg> and the rest of hte mozilla packages
[16:02] <qense> micahg: I do have a seperate listening of teams that triage their own bugs.
[16:02] <qense> Where do you think FF should be?
[16:02]  * micahg needs to talk to asac about it
[16:03] <micahg> qense: I was just wondering your reasoning, not assigning blame or anything
[16:03] <qense> micahg: the problem is that I didn't reason when placing FF there ;)
[16:03] <micahg> heh
[16:04] <qense> Is there actually a team working on FF?
[16:04] <micahg> mozilla team maintains all the mozilla apps and extensions in Ubuntu
[16:05] <qense> including bugs?
[16:05] <micahg> qense: that's what I have to check, in theory I think yes, but idk
[16:06] <micahg> qense: I'll check and update the page
[16:06] <qense> micahg: We could add the MozillaTeam to the list of teams that do their own bidding and remove your entries.
[16:06] <micahg> qense: yeah, I have to check if that's a good idea
[16:06] <qense> But that would remove the documentation of you being the most experienced person for FF whithin the Bug COntrol
[16:06] <micahg> otherwise, I might go the adoption team route and try to find some more people to help
[16:07] <qense> you could do that as well
[16:07] <qense> and integrate that adoptionteam in the mozillateam as well
[16:07] <micahg> well, we already have a mozilla squad that's kinda unused
[16:08] <micahg> that seems more targeted to devs though
[16:08]  * micahg really needs to discuss these issues with the team
[16:33] <charlie-tca> hggdh: do you mind if I use weechat from your ppa?
[16:38] <hggdh> charlie-tca: of course not! Please go ahead, that's the whole idea on providing the packages.
[16:38] <hggdh> charlie-tca: please ping me on any issues, so that I can check & report upstream if needed
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I will do that.
[17:01] <bddebian> Boo
[17:06] <qense> jpds: Do you know how to make the bot in #ubuntu-classroom set the topic to the right session for the currently ongoing Ubuntu DeveloperWeek?
[17:06] <jpds> qense: No.
[17:06] <qense> ok
[17:06] <qense> someone said you did ;)
[17:06] <qense> do you do know someone who does?
[17:07] <jpds> Maybe tsimpson.
[17:07] <qense> ok
[17:07] <qense> I'm afk now, though ;)
[19:18] <Michalxo_> hello all! I am having a strange fonts bug, could anyone assist me please? Pictures over here -> last 2 posts (19,20) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8722765#post8722765
[19:18] <Michalxo_> fonts are ugly only in vlc and firefox 3.6
[19:23] <micahg> bug 379761 ?
[19:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 379761 in fontconfig "MASTER - FF 3.5 font hinting does not honour gnome-settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379761
[19:23] <micahg> Michalxo_: ^^
[19:24] <Michalxo_> i'll tyr it
[19:24] <Michalxo_> micahg but vlc too?
[19:25] <micahg> Michalxo_: they might have the same issue, idk
[19:27] <Michalxo_> nope no help workaround #1
[19:49] <Michalxo_> micahg for 3.6 there is probably no help :-D
[19:49] <Michalxo_> I see many ppl having the same problem as I do... over to move to chromium or 3.7
[22:19] <arand> If there any way to automatically unpack and upload the contents of a .crash file to a specific LP # ?
[22:21] <micahg> arand: I think that was added for lucid (adding a crash to a bug)
[22:22] <arand> hmm, so if I took the jaunty crash into a lucid system it'd be doable?
[22:22] <charlie-tca> arand: apport-collect -p <package_name> <BUG_NUMBER>
[22:22] <charlie-tca> worked in karmic
[22:23] <charlie-tca> oops,
[22:23] <charlie-tca> wait a minute
[22:23] <arand> charlie-tca: but that won't fetch the crash reprot right?
[22:23] <charlie-tca> /usr/share/apport/apport-qt --crash-file=/var/crash/YOURCRASHFILE
[22:23] <charlie-tca> worked for the crash file
[22:24] <charlie-tca> but I think that files a new bug
[22:24] <micahg> charlie-tca: same as ubuntu-bug /path/to/crash
[22:25] <charlie-tca> That works too?
[22:26] <micahg> bug 506885
[22:28] <yofel> yay, ubot4 went missing o.O
[22:31] <charlie-tca> oh, goody
[22:32] <micahg> jpds: ubot4 went missing
[22:41] <jpds> micahg: Server migration.
[22:42] <micahg> jpds: ah
[22:42]  * jpds brings up backup.
[22:50] <xteejx> Hey guys
[22:51] <BUGabundo> olá xteejx
[22:51] <micahg> arand: bug 506885
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Hello
[22:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506885 in apport "Allow user to upload a crash file to a certain bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506885
[22:51] <micahg> not in lucid yet
[22:51] <xteejx> Has a bug been filed recently about evolution being removed on upgrade in Lucid? Mine has disappeared sometime today
[22:51] <xteejx> Hey BUGabundo, charlie-tca, micahg
[22:52] <charlie-tca> xteejx: I'm running an upgrade now, from 8.04 to lucid
[22:52] <arand> micahg: ah, ok, well I'm just attaching the .crash file as is..
[22:52] <micahg> arand: don't, it'll get deleted
[22:52] <xteejx> charlie-tca: Not an upgrade, sorry wrong word.... upgrading packages Lucid>Lucid I haven't changed versions
[22:53] <arand> micahg: oh?
[22:53] <micahg> arand: just file a new bug if you want apport to retrace
[22:54] <xteejx> evo has completely disappeared, must have been during a recent update in Lucid
[22:56] <yofel> that reminds me of bug 512440 that I just found in the announce channel o.O
[22:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512440 in ubuntu "Lucid-installed software-center 1.1.9 on kernel 2.6.32.11 generic and lost synaptic & update-manager & software-source & hardware-drivers " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512440
[22:57] <xteejx> crap...where's the apt logs.... I know this stuff just can't think, been filling my head with MOTU stuff, or trying
[22:57] <xteejx> ?
[22:57] <arand> micahg: Bug #47048 is the one in question, and since they asked for a .crash file prior.. So I should instead report a duplicate?
[22:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 47048 in gksu "Can't grab mouse with menu bar/main menu open" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47048
[22:57] <micahg> arand: yeah and note in there
[22:58] <arand> xteejx: /var/log/apt/term.log you mean??
[22:58] <xteejx> Question: Where are apt logs kept..sorry I'm tired can't think, I wanna know what happened to remove evo
[22:59] <xteejx> arand: No the update-manager dpkg/apt logs
[23:00] <xteejx> remembered dont worry.. /var/log/dist-upgrade
[23:00] <xteejx> What is wrong with me!?
[23:00]  * charlie-tca thinks xteejx might be tired
[23:00] <xteejx> I am charlie, early morning today, its now 11pm
[23:01] <xteejx> Package evolution-exchange has broken Depends on evolution
[23:01] <xteejx>   Considering evolution 13 as a solution to evolution-exchange 1
[23:01] <xteejx>   Removing evolution-exchange rather than change evolution
[23:01] <xteejx> problem with a recent upload methinks
[23:03] <arand> micahg: and I should mark it as a dupe right away as well?
[23:03] <micahg> arand: no, let it retrace
[23:03] <micahg> then make sure you can make public
[23:04] <micahg> then mark a dupe
[23:05]  * xteejx thinks he should go to bed
[23:06] <xteejx> Night guys! :)
[23:06] <charlie-tca> good night, xteejx
[23:07] <xteejx> Night charlie :)
[23:10] <arand> micahg: ok Bug #512563 then. Anything else I should do with it now?
[23:10] <ubot4> arand: Bug 512563 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/512563 is private
[23:10] <micahg> arand: not until it's retraced
[23:11] <arand> and then mark as dupe?
[23:13] <micahg> arand: verify no public data in the stacktraces or ask someone in here to
[23:13] <micahg> then mark as a dupe and comment in the original bug that there is a new stacktrace
[23:16] <micahg> arand: might be better off marking the old one a dupe of yours after it retraces
[23:21] <arand> micahg: Okay, will do.