| BalSak | hi guys. the #gnome channel seems dead. does anyone know it the multiseat functionality what was present in 2.20, and removed in 2.28, will be re-introduced in later versions? | 01:39 |
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| fagan | BalSak: you would have to ask the upstream | 01:41 |
| fagan | So gnome | 01:41 |
| BalSak | I am, but the channel seems dead | 01:41 |
| fagan | Tomorrow is monday so ask sometime tomorrow and people should be there | 01:41 |
| crimsun | "patience is a virtue" | 01:42 |
| BalSak | ok. thansk | 01:42 |
| BalSak | NZ-time | 01:42 |
| BalSak | ... | 01:42 |
| BalSak | sux | 01:42 |
| fagan | It happens | 01:42 |
| fagan | but monday should be easier to get an answer | 01:42 |
| BalSak | sweet | 01:42 |
| BalSak | thanks | 01:42 |
| fagan | np | 01:43 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:32 |
| pitti | asac: firefox source NEWed | 07:37 |
| baptistemm | good morning, and ahappy new week | 07:38 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:43 |
| kermiac | hi pitti do you mind if i ask a quick question about an SRU for dapper? bug 484288 | 07:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 484288 in sun-java5 "update to 1.5.0-22" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484288 | 07:45 |
| pitti | kermiac: just ask | 07:46 |
| kermiac | with dapper server being supported now & not the desktop, is it valid to install the gui on dapper server to test java | 07:47 |
| kermiac | or is there a better way to test java? | 07:48 |
| kermiac | for hardy i just tried a couple of dozen online java games & verified it as working using the test on the java website & it seems ok | 07:49 |
| pitti | kermiac: sure, it's fine to install the gui; it should still work | 07:53 |
| pitti | kermiac: testing that is greatly appreciated | 07:53 |
| kermiac | pitti: ty for the answer I just wanted to make sure that was a valid way to test :) | 07:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you have an /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60seahorse-plugins file? debian removed it, but as we renamed it from 60seahorse-plugins to 60seahorse, it wasn't removed | 08:34 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 08:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: I do have that | 08:34 |
| pitti | we don't need that for the gpg agent? | 08:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: incidentally, I'm just playing with seahorse to get rid of /etc/xdg/autostart/seahorse-daemon.desktop :) | 08:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: hehe, you're playing on the desktop, I'm on the Xsession :) | 08:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: seahorse and seahorse-plugins are the same source package, right? | 08:35 |
| pitti | [ Loic Minier ] | 08:35 |
| pitti | * searhorse.Xsession: don't start seahorse-agent if $GPG_AGENT_INFO is set. | 08:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: no, different ones | 08:36 |
| didrocks | oh right, it only suggests | 08:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/seahorse-plugins/filelist | 08:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: it's still there | 08:36 |
| didrocks | grep isn't good for parsing this carefully :) | 08:36 |
| pitti | and I think it ought to be | 08:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: we don't install -plugins by default | 08:37 |
| didrocks | ok, I'll then patch it here :) | 08:37 |
| didrocks | right | 08:37 |
| pitti | didrocks: is that only in svn or so? | 08:37 |
| didrocks | I was just thinking it will be in the same source package | 08:37 |
| didrocks | pitti: hum, what from svn? | 08:37 |
| pitti | didrocks: I don't see that the Xsession.d script was removed from Debian | 08:37 |
| * pitti invokes seb128 | 08:38 | |
| didrocks | pitti: in fact, I guess it was for the transition (it was remove from seahorse) | 08:38 |
| didrocks | removed* | 08:38 |
| didrocks | so, that's why I got puzzled | 08:38 |
| didrocks | everything's fine we still have that file from -plugins source package, sorry for the trouble :) | 08:38 |
| pitti | ok, I was confused | 08:39 |
| pitti | it seems it just shouldn't start if ther's another gpg agent running already | 08:39 |
| didrocks | pitti: but we have 90x11-common_ssh-agent too, right? | 08:40 |
| didrocks | oh sun! \o/ One week without seeing it | 08:40 |
| pitti | didrocks: right; that's ssh, while the 60seahorse is for gpg | 08:40 |
| didrocks | oh right, always confused with -plugins only having gpg stuff despite the description :) | 08:41 |
| pitti | didrocks: well, it also has the nautilus plugin (but that's also for gpg) | 08:45 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:47 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson o/ | 08:47 |
| didrocks | I was talking about that sentence: | 08:47 |
| didrocks | " In addition it includes an agent for storing private passphrases, | 08:47 |
| didrocks | as well as a GnuPG and OpenSSH key manager." | 08:47 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks - how are you? | 08:47 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: fine thanks. Some sun this morning :) You? | 08:47 |
| chrisccoulson | it's quite miserable here (no sun) unfortunately | 08:48 |
| chrisccoulson | and i'm very tired this morning | 08:48 |
| chrisccoulson | but otherwise, not too bad thanks | 08:48 |
| didrocks | tired on Monday? Fortunately, you have the week to rest from your week-end :) | 08:49 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - yeah, we had a long day on saturday (i spent about 7.5 hours driving), and then i got to bed late this morning too | 08:50 |
| chrisccoulson | so i will need a few early nights this week ;) | 08:50 |
| didrocks | I think you deserve them :) | 08:50 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, thanks :) | 08:50 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson, good morning! thanks for gpm! | 08:52 |
| chrisccoulson | hey hyperair - do you know if your second g-p-m patch fixes that other reporters double-suspend issue (ie, could you recreate it without the change)? | 08:52 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti, no worries :) | 08:52 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 08:52 |
| pitti | I'm great! woke up with plans for startup speed in my head :) | 08:53 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: i couldn't recreate it without the change, but i'm quite sure of what the problem is, due to the order of the stuff that appeared in the log. | 08:53 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'm a crash fix away from dropping the seahorse autostart .desktop | 08:53 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - excellent. i was hoping to do some startup speed work this weekend, but it never materialised unfortunately | 08:53 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: do we already have a breakdown how much time each g-s-d plugin needs? | 08:53 |
| pitti | I was going to add the profiling code that I have for wncksyncdaemon, and check out the timing | 08:54 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - not that i've done, although i think it's been investigated in some depth before | 08:54 |
| didrocks | bbl, testing something | 08:54 |
| pitti | and see whether we can speed up/disable some of those for UNR at least | 08:54 |
| chrisccoulson | g-s-d already has some profiling code in it | 08:54 |
| chrisccoulson | but i've not figured out how to use it yet :) | 08:54 |
| pitti | that would be next on my list after fixing seahorse | 08:54 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok; you already signed up for the xrandr one, so I guess I'll let you do that plugin first, and I can have a look at the other ones | 08:55 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - that would be useful. we already know how long the xrandr plugin takes, and it would be interesting to know how long xsettings takes too | 08:55 |
| pitti | at least no xrdb any more, that helped quite a bit already | 08:55 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - i had a thought about your gpm fix when i awoke this morning | 08:55 |
| pitti | seahorse-daemon needs quite a bit of CPU, so I hope dropping it will win another .5 s | 08:55 |
| chrisccoulson | the value of lid-is-closed that you read from DkpClient is also cached | 08:55 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - the cache in devkit-power-gobject is invalidated when it receives a signal from dk-power | 08:56 |
| chrisccoulson | but if you haven't returned to the main loop to process that event, then the cache is probably still invalid | 08:56 |
| chrisccoulson | s/invalid/wrong | 08:56 |
| chrisccoulson | so, i'm not sure it will fix it yet, which is why i asked if you could reproduce it | 08:57 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: seriously? devkit-power-gobject has its own cache? | 08:57 |
| seb128 | good morning there | 08:57 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: good god. this is ridiculous. | 08:57 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - yeah, it does ;) | 08:57 |
| chrisccoulson | it's to cut down on dbus calls every time you want to read a property | 08:57 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: ............ | 08:58 |
| chrisccoulson | but the cache should be automatically invalidated when a property changes, so that it gets read from dk-power on the next read | 08:58 |
| hyperair | ah | 08:58 |
| hyperair | if that happens, then it should read from dk-power, right? | 08:58 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - don't worry just yet though, your patch might still fix it. but, if it doesn't, then we need to think of something else | 08:58 |
| chrisccoulson | i wouldn't read directly from dk-power | 08:58 |
| hyperair | hmm? | 08:59 |
| hyperair | what do you mean wouldn't read directly? | 08:59 |
| chrisccoulson | i would probably make sure there are no events pending on the main loop before doing anything | 08:59 |
| hyperair | how do you check that? | 08:59 |
| chrisccoulson | so if the value has changed, then the cache is marked invalid before you do anything | 08:59 |
| hyperair | and it's likely that there are always events pending, isn't it? | 08:59 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: i don't suppose g_signal_connect_first would do the trick, would it? | 09:00 |
| chrisccoulson | you can use g_main_context_pending / g_main_context_iterating etc, or perhaps you could defer some work with g_idle_add (to ensure that you return to the main loop before doing anything else) | 09:00 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: how about having all the components of g-p-m share the same devkit handle? | 09:00 |
| didrocks | morning seb128 :) | 09:00 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning seb128 | 09:00 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 09:01 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - this might be of interest for you: http://mces.blogspot.com/2008/10/improving-login-time-part-1-gnome.html | 09:02 |
| pitti | seb128: had a nice weekend? | 09:02 |
| chrisccoulson | there is a link to the tools needed to do the profiling, and g-s-d already has all the hooks in | 09:02 |
| chrisccoulson | it might be beneficial to do this with the newer version still | 09:02 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: right, I know that blog post, but it seems a bit out of date to me | 09:03 |
| pitti | however, the profiling stuff is still interesting indeed | 09:03 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'll use that for g-s-d | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - it is. i haven't got round to trying it yet, but it looks cool | 09:03 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: lemme try adding a chvt script and reproducing the issue. | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - thanks | 09:04 |
| chrisccoulson | this is all a bit heavy for first thing on a monday morning - time to grab some coffee :) | 09:04 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, hey chrisccoulson pitti | 09:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, too short but good, thanks | 09:05 |
| seb128 | what about you? | 09:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the une gnome-panel has still no clock applet there, known issue? | 09:07 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm great, thanks; woke up with startup speed in my head :) | 09:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, even with Friday's update? No, I have mine there. Do you have something in your .local tweaking it? (it just as default) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, good ;-) I didn't manage to not thing about it during weekend | 09:07 |
| pitti | seb128: FYI, I tested seahorse without the autostart .desktop file, and found two bugs which need to be fixed (linked to the spec now); but for the main use case (ssh/gpg agents) it's working great | 09:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, I did rm .gconf .local .config | 09:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok | 09:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, open a bug and I'll try on a clean config too, so | 09:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I will try again before that | 09:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks :) | 09:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks, had a good wekend otherwise? | 09:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: nice one, yes, thanks :) went to the japanese restaurant we talked about during the sprint | 09:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: you? | 09:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, too short but good otherwise ;-) | 09:10 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - do you know why it fails on the first go when seahorse-daemon is dbus activated? | 09:11 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it doesn't any more | 09:11 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, excellent | 09:11 |
| pitti | it consistently fails now and seahorse-daemon sigsegv :) | 09:11 |
| chrisccoulson | oh no :( | 09:12 |
| pitti | bug 512231 | 09:12 |
| ubottu | Bug 512231 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/512231 is private | 09:12 |
| pitti | that's for seahorse-preferences | 09:12 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i can't view that | 09:12 |
| pitti | and for the nautilus plugin it's bug 512233 | 09:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 512233 in seahorse-plugins "nautilus extension does not find GPG keys with seahorse-daemon being d-bus activated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512233 | 09:12 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but that also fails to dbus-activate the daemon; I'll debug it now | 09:12 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: "seahorse-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in egg_set_desktop_file() " | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - ah, because you removed the desktop file ;) | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | does it actually fail to activate completely from dbus (ie, not even start and then crash)? | 09:14 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: the daemon starts, and segfaults | 09:14 |
| pitti | thus the UIs just get d-bus errors | 09:14 |
| pitti | it might very well be that these two bugs are in fact duplicates | 09:14 |
| pitti | I'll fix the crash first, and then check the nautilus plug in again | 09:14 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - ah, ok. if you fix the crash and still get a dbus error on the first go, then i've spotted something which might cause that | 09:14 |
| pitti | but I wanted to collect bug reports for all the observable regressions | 09:15 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: sweet, will ask you about it then | 09:15 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: did you push 2.28.1-0ubuntu4 for seahorse-plugins in desktop team bzr branch? (it seems not) | 09:23 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - did i update it last? | 09:23 |
| chrisccoulson | (i cant remember) ;) | 09:23 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: it was on November :) | 09:23 |
| pitti | seahorse-plugins (2.28.1-0ubuntu4) karmic-proposed; urgency=low | 09:24 |
| pitti | -- Chris Coulson <chrisccoulson@ubuntu.com> Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:34:57 +0000 | 09:24 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - ah, that will be for the fix for the crash bug with a gazillion duplicates | 09:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure if i pushed it to bzr or not (sorry if i didn't) :( | 09:24 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: you didn't copy it into the trunk. No pb, i'll do it for you :) | 09:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what do you work on there? | 09:25 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - thanks | 09:25 |
| * chrisccoulson hugs didrocks | 09:25 | |
| didrocks | seb128: the failsafe session thing | 09:25 |
| * didrocks hugs chrisccoulson | 09:25 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, you think it's a seahorse issue? | 09:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: not only a seahorse, you can have a look at bug #512235 | 09:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 512235 in seahorse-plugins "Fix gnome failsafe support in lucid (supporting session with arguments" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512235 | 09:26 |
| * chrisccoulson thinks that seahorse-agent should be a proper session client rather than being launched from Xsession.d | 09:26 | |
| seb128 | ok | 09:27 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, the issue would be for non GNOME users I guess | 09:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: btw, I'll need some sponsoring for xorg (just got an awful "already on repo" for seahorse one :)) | 09:28 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, possibly | 09:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ask #ubuntu-x or bryyce or tseliot | 09:28 |
| seb128 | I'm not uploading xorg before checking with those guys before | 09:29 |
| didrocks | bryyce: tseliot: can you have a look at bug #512235, please? | 09:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 512235 in seahorse-plugins "Fix gnome failsafe support in lucid (supporting session with arguments" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512235 | 09:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, make sense :) | 09:29 |
| bryyce | hi didrocks | 09:32 |
| didrocks | hey bryyce :) | 09:32 |
| bryyce | didrocks, would you like to propose a patch for 20x11-common_process-args? | 09:33 |
| didrocks | bryyce: normally, you attached a branch | 09:33 |
| didrocks | s/you/I | 09:33 |
| bryyce | aha, didn't see that | 09:33 |
| didrocks | bryyce: it's the +junk, didn't find a "xorg" product on LP | 09:34 |
| bryyce | we have xorg in git | 09:34 |
| didrocks | oh, that's why I couldn't find any xorg branch outside of lp:ubuntu/xorg | 09:35 |
| didrocks | bryyce: do you prefer a simple patch, a git one? | 09:35 |
| bryyce | a simple patch or a debdiff would be best | 09:35 |
| didrocks | one sec | 09:36 |
| bryyce | didrocks, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~didrocks/%2Bjunk/fix-failsafe-session/revision/155?remember=153&compare_revid=153 | 09:40 |
| didrocks | bryyce: should be attached now | 09:40 |
| bryyce | ok | 09:40 |
| didrocks | (debdiff) | 09:40 |
| bryyce | looks like I had a couple other failsafe changes (unrelated) in the hopper; I'll push all these out together | 09:45 |
| didrocks | bryyce: perfect, thanks :) | 09:46 |
| bryyce | didrocks, uploaded, and committed to git | 09:46 |
| didrocks | bryyce: should I open a bug on Debian, or you will push it there too? | 09:46 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok, works fine now, so it's just a dupe of the crash | 09:47 |
| bryyce | didrocks, we use debian's git repo so they can see the changes we put through and pick off interesting ones. However, they could miss it so it would be a good idea to file a bug on it. | 09:48 |
| didrocks | bryyce: oh sweet, I'll browse http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg;a=summary to find it :) | 09:51 |
| seb128 | does edge timeout for other people too when trying to get buglists? | 09:53 |
| bryyce | seb128, yeah | 09:54 |
| seb128 | or open bugs on a package which has quite some | 09:54 |
| bryyce | seb128, it's annoying me | 09:54 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:54 |
| seb128 | me too | 09:54 |
| seb128 | did you mention it to the launchpad guys already? | 09:54 |
| bryyce | nope | 09:54 |
| seb128 | ok, I ask on #launchpad if they know about it | 09:55 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - there's already a bug for that somewhere | 09:57 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, right, #launchpad guys gave me the number, thanks | 09:57 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, right, #launchpad guys gave me the number, thanks | 09:57 |
| seb128 | ups | 09:57 |
| seb128 | bah | 09:57 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 09:58 |
| seb128 | at least non-edge is working correctly | 09:59 |
| * pitti declares victory over seahorse | 09:59 | |
| seb128 | pitti, waouh! | 10:00 |
| seb128 | my current charts are weird | 10:00 |
| pitti | sent two patches upstream now | 10:00 |
| pitti | seb128: in what way? | 10:00 |
| seb128 | there is a one second gap with no cpu pick in login | 10:00 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you try for the clock applet if you get one? | 10:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: normally, I take the one from the gnome session (to get the same locations on the map) | 10:14 |
| seb128 | ? | 10:14 |
| seb128 | gnome-session has no clock applet | 10:14 |
| seb128 | and which map are you talking about? | 10:15 |
| didrocks | seb128: not gnome-session, GNOME session (or desktop session, if you prefer) | 10:15 |
| didrocks | the map you get when clicking on the applet | 10:16 |
| didrocks | below the calendar | 10:16 |
| seb128 | I'm getting confused | 10:16 |
| seb128 | the issue there is that the stock config has no clock applet | 10:16 |
| seb128 | like no hour on the gnome-panel bar | 10:16 |
| didrocks | right, and normally, I'm taking the one from the desktop session (the same applet id) to have the same city and location in the clock applet for the 2 sessions | 10:17 |
| seb128 | I've one in the GNOME session though | 10:19 |
| seb128 | and I've one in UNE after starting a GNOME session | 10:19 |
| seb128 | so UNE relies on a GNOME session to be started once and do some config init | 10:20 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 10:20 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh? that's bad :/ | 10:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well try to delete the gconf config and reboot with UNE | 10:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: I don't know how to share the location so. I have to what what config init it's doing to achieve the same in UNE session | 10:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok | 10:21 |
| seb128 | I guess the issue is that gnome-panel doesn't manage to write keys | 10:22 |
| seb128 | because of the mandatory use | 10:22 |
| didrocks | right, it's more than possible | 10:22 |
| seb128 | ok, done with the weekend backlog | 10:36 |
| seb128 | let's start work | 10:36 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - did you have many bugs to work through after the weekend? | 10:39 |
| seb128 | bugs? not really, rather email | 10:40 |
| seb128 | some 390 emails in my inbox, 387 being spam | 10:40 |
| seb128 | some 300 bug emails | 10:40 |
| seb128 | and reading changes lists in debian, ubuntu and some mailing lists | 10:40 |
| pitti | seb128: wow, you get so many false negatives in spam filtering? | 10:50 |
| pitti | what do you use? | 10:50 |
| seb128 | none | 10:51 |
| seb128 | I use the canonical imap server | 10:51 |
| pitti | oh, they don't scan spam and at least mark the mails? | 10:51 |
| seb128 | I didn't turn on the spam filter option though, some people said it delays emails delivering by hours | 10:51 |
| pitti | well, like that it costs you some 15 mins each day, doesn't it? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | no, I use bogofilter from evo on the inbox | 10:52 |
| seb128 | which catches 95% of those | 10:52 |
| seb128 | it just take a bit since it's not server side | 10:53 |
| seb128 | so it has to download everything to filter | 10:53 |
| seb128 | I was pondering just activating the spam filtering service | 10:53 |
| seb128 | but I don't fancy hours of delay in delivering... | 10:53 |
| seb128 | anyway | 10:55 |
| pitti | wow; seahorse bought us 0.7 seconds | 10:56 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:56 |
| seb128 | can I see your chart? | 10:56 |
| seb128 | btw | 10:56 |
| seb128 | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-keyring-list/2010-January/msg00007.html | 10:56 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100125-3.png | 10:56 |
| seb128 | does anybody has an opinion on that? | 10:56 |
| pitti | I still don't understand why gnome-session and ssh-agent now have a 0.5 second delay | 10:57 |
| pitti | gconf starts later than the ssh-agent thing | 10:57 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ^ any idea? | 10:57 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure if we should upgrade | 10:57 |
| pitti | * No more support for hokey ACL prompts, which had almost no security | 10:58 |
| pitti | value at all. This was being patched out by almost all distros. | 10:58 |
| pitti | YES! THANKS! YES! | 10:58 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - were those not there before? | 10:58 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: they were, but I thought they were due to seahorse-daemon and gconf | 10:58 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but we keep eliminating stuff from the critical path, so it's easier to see those now | 10:58 |
| seb128 | bah | 10:58 |
| seb128 | nm-applet takes 1 second cpu | 10:58 |
| seb128 | that's ridiculous | 10:58 |
| pitti | seb128: that's after the "final" line, though | 10:59 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - gnome-session still blocks on gconf. i have some packages which probably help that, but i need to update them with all the latest changes before you try them | 10:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, your mini has no internet? | 10:59 |
| pitti | seb128: it does, wpa2 | 10:59 |
| pitti | it always asks me for my keyring password, and then connects | 10:59 |
| seb128 | lucky you | 10:59 |
| pitti | the gnome-keyring-a* process takes quite some CPU | 10:59 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - FYI, i did some work a while ago which i put here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisccoulson/desktop-startup-speed/ | 10:59 |
| pitti | seb128: you don't? | 10:59 |
| chrisccoulson | but those are out of date now | 10:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, no | 11:00 |
| seb128 | sec, I'm getting my charts online | 11:00 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I just seem to remember that you said "ssh-agent is not what you think it is", and wondered whether I"m missing something | 11:00 |
| pitti | I have one free CPU at that time | 11:00 |
| pitti | and the ssh-agent process is doing nothing | 11:01 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, those bars are misleading. gnome-session starts after ssh-agent, but the chart seems to suggest otherwise | 11:01 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok; so, if nobody has an idea, I'll bisect it down | 11:01 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but first I'll do the promised g-s-d plugin profiling | 11:02 |
| chrisccoulson | the labelling on the bars is messed up by all the fork'ing and execve'ing by things in Xsession.d | 11:02 |
| pitti | seb128: when I tried first on this box, it didn't even see my wpa2 essid | 11:02 |
| pitti | seb128: it helped to stop/restart wlan on my router | 11:02 |
| pitti | then it suddenly worked | 11:02 |
| pitti | and now it always works | 11:02 |
| pitti | seb128: it worked just fine on the sprint with the open wifi | 11:02 |
| pitti | so I didn't give much thought about it | 11:02 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: right, but if I remove the xsession.d stuff step by step it should allow me to see what is what, and which bit introduces the latency | 11:03 |
| pitti | seb128: WDYM in particular about the gnome-keyring update? | 11:04 |
| * pitti grumbles about PPA buildds constantly being mozilla-ed | 11:05 | |
| seb128 | pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb-dellmini-lucid-20100125-3.png | 11:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, the issue is not internet now working | 11:06 |
| seb128 | it's the applet animation | 11:06 |
| seb128 | I'm on wired ethernet there | 11:06 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, how come you don't have the 5 second usb_id delay? | 11:06 |
| seb128 | and it takes 1 full second cpu | 11:06 |
| pitti | oh, -10 kernel | 11:07 |
| pitti | seb128: ergh | 11:07 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i'm fairly certain that the gnome-session process on your bootchart actually starts it's life as ssh-agent. i had a look at the ssh-agent code, and it fork's, and then the parent exec's gnome-session, whilst the child continues as ssh-agent | 11:07 |
| chrisccoulson | and i think dbus-launch does a similar thing too | 11:07 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: aah, that'd explain it | 11:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, gnome-keyring, seems quite some changes this cycle | 11:07 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: so it's really just gnome-session | 11:07 |
| seb128 | and | 11:07 |
| seb128 | "Application or libraries that were speaking gnome-keyring's old | 11:08 |
| seb128 | binary internal protocol, are no longer supported. | 11:08 |
| seb128 | " | 11:08 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - it looks like ssh-agent takes 0.5s and gnome-session is another 0.5s | 11:08 |
| seb128 | I need to ask upstream details about that | 11:08 |
| pitti | seb128: the "allow access to keyring" question is quite ridiculous, though; I'd love to see this go away for the lts | 11:08 |
| chrisccoulson | the 0.5s for gnome-session is consistent with the work i did for profiling it | 11:08 |
| seb128 | right, we can turn that off in our current version | 11:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, your chart also show a non optimal cpu use now | 11:09 |
| seb128 | it drops for 2 seconds | 11:09 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok; it should be much quicker to generate a socket and export an env var; it could do all the costly stuff after fork | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering what to do there | 11:09 |
| pitti | indeed | 11:09 |
| pitti | seb128: I think mutter does too much init in idle loop now | 11:10 |
| pitti | the free cpu corresponds to the hole in mutter | 11:10 |
| pitti | (i. e. the UNE next gen thing) | 11:10 |
| seb128 | well it's not only it | 11:10 |
| seb128 | there is quite some applets not done loading yet too | 11:10 |
| seb128 | why don't they keep working there? | 11:11 |
| pitti | *nod* | 11:13 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, your nm-applet is actually before the red line | 11:17 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:17 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure why you don't have one | 11:18 |
| pitti | it spins way later | 11:18 |
| seb128 | I guess that's because you don't autoconnect | 11:18 |
| pitti | when I log in, I just see the keyring password | 11:18 |
| pitti | well, it tries | 11:18 |
| seb128 | well I'm on wired eth | 11:18 |
| seb128 | so no password | 11:18 |
| pitti | but I didn't disable my keyring pwd | 11:18 |
| pitti | right | 11:18 |
| pitti | that needs to be fixed, too | 11:18 |
| * pitti adds WI | 11:19 | |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:19 |
| seb128 | I think that was already on the karmic list of things to change? | 11:19 |
| pitti | not sure | 11:19 |
| seb128 | asac, ^ do you know? | 11:20 |
| seb128 | I'm previous sure having this animation too much cpu costy was discussed previous cycle | 11:20 |
| pitti | whoa | 11:20 |
| pitti | ssh-agent costs 0.5 seconds | 11:20 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100125-3.png | 11:20 |
| pitti | vs. | 11:20 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100125-3-no-ssh-agent.png | 11:20 |
| seb128 | what is it doing during those 0.5s? | 11:21 |
| seb128 | and why do we have a ssh-agent if we have gnome-keyring too?. | 11:21 |
| seb128 | urg | 11:22 |
| pitti | oh, indeed | 11:22 |
| seb128 | gnome-keyring agent uses over 1 second cpu | 11:22 |
| pitti | I thought it was necessary for seahorse stuff | 11:22 |
| seb128 | I don't think it is no | 11:23 |
| pitti | it works just fine without | 11:24 |
| pitti | I'll check with Colin | 11:24 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know what sets $SSH_AUTH_SOCK? | 11:25 |
| seb128 | gnome-keyring-agent | 11:25 |
| seb128 | gnome-keyring-daemon | 11:25 |
| seb128 | I mean | 11:25 |
| seb128 | run it on a command line | 11:25 |
| pitti | hm, wouldn't gnome-session need to do that somehow? | 11:26 |
| pitti | I mean, it needs to get into every process' env | 11:26 |
| seb128 | gnome-keyring sets the gnome-session env over dbus | 11:27 |
| pitti | seb128: since we can't check for $SSH_AUTH_SOCK that early on, we could say "don't run ssh-agent if /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-daemon.desktop exists'? | 11:28 |
| seb128 | hum, no, that would break !GNOME | 11:29 |
| seb128 | the autostart has OnlyShowIn=GNOME; | 11:29 |
| seb128 | so ie xfce users would get none of those running | 11:29 |
| pitti | ah, so that and we run gnome? | 11:29 |
| seb128 | you mean? | 11:29 |
| pitti | gnome is in $STARTUP | 11:29 |
| seb128 | ah | 11:30 |
| pitti | seb128: I'd write it very permissive | 11:30 |
| pitti | i. e. only not start ssh-agent if we can be sure that we run gnome and we have the keyring autostart | 11:30 |
| seb128 | it that works | 11:30 |
| pitti | we need to check with UNE | 11:30 |
| seb128 | if | 11:30 |
| seb128 | right | 11:30 |
| pitti | but I'll do that | 11:30 |
| pitti | and check with Colin, to be sure | 11:30 |
| seb128 | you can look at the gnomerc Xsession.d script | 11:32 |
| seb128 | you can look at the gnomerc Xsession.d script, it does something similar to detect GNOME | 11:32 |
| pitti | 'zactly | 11:32 |
| seb128 | it looks to basestartup and see if gnome-session | 11:32 |
| seb128 | +it's | 11:32 |
| didrocks | pitti: be careful, $STARTUP can be also gnome-session -f. You can check $GDMSESSION maybe | 11:33 |
| didrocks | or basestartup, right | 11:33 |
| seb128 | BASESTARTUP=`basename "$STARTUP" | cut -d\ -f1` | 11:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ | 11:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: "gnome" as a substring should do, shouldn't it? | 11:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, that should work no? | 11:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: right, that should work :) | 11:34 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: you're right, the fix didn't quite work. | 11:34 |
| pitti | I don't want to call a zillion external programs for that | 11:34 |
| didrocks | unfortunate that debian won't take the xorg patch to support "gnome-session args" | 11:35 |
| seb128 | why not? | 11:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: I got a very constructive answer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566825 | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 566825 in x11-common "x11-common: Support session with arguments (fix failsafe gnome session)" [Normal,Open] | 11:35 |
| didrocks | using reportbug to report it) | 11:35 |
| seb128 | right... | 11:36 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - thanks for testing it | 11:36 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: what needs to be done is the first patch, in another location as well. | 11:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's the 3rd time in one year, getting tired of this kind of answer | 11:36 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, that response really sucks | 11:37 |
| hyperair | didrocks: you communicate with all the wrong type of people =) | 11:37 |
| didrocks | hyperair: seems to be that, right :) | 11:38 |
| hyperair | didrocks: there was that other blog post where some debian developer was saying that it annoyed him to see @ubuntu.com email addresses in the changelog. | 11:38 |
| didrocks | I pointed Lucas Nussbaum to it, so that he can adapt the "ubuntu doesn't contribute to debian" speech :) | 11:38 |
| hyperair | heheh | 11:39 |
| didrocks | hyperair: right, I read the flameware few months ago | 11:39 |
| hyperair | flameware. i like that word. =p | 11:39 |
| didrocks | oupss ^^ | 11:40 |
| hyperair | didrocks: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Brice.Goglin@ens-lyon.org <-- this says he doesn't do a thing for debian. i suspect a troll. | 11:41 |
| hyperair | or not | 11:42 |
| hyperair | he's a DD O_o | 11:42 |
| didrocks | hyperair: maybe a DD not contributing for a long time. Well, he closed the bug, I pointed lucas to it and we'll see next… | 11:42 |
| hyperair | didrocks: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=bgoglin@debian.org <-- this says he's pretty active. | 11:43 |
| hyperair | didrocks: i say just reopen the bug. | 11:44 |
| didrocks | hyperair: right, he's just flaming with the @ens-lyon mail, maybe :) | 11:44 |
| hyperair | perhaps. | 11:44 |
| didrocks | let's wait if he looks at my answer and if not, I'll speak with debian QA people before reopening it | 11:45 |
| hyperair | sure | 11:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, reopen saying it's an issue in debian too | 11:46 |
| seb128 | the reply there is stupid | 11:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, doing it now | 11:48 |
| geser | I usually strip the "ubuntu" suffix from the version when filing a bug with reportbug | 11:59 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| didrocks | geser: well, ok, but that's just cheating and don't fix the underlying issue which is a social one :/ | 12:05 |
| geser | true | 12:05 |
| pitti | didrocks, seb128: FYI, the $BASESTARTUP stuff in 55gnome-session_gnomerc just works by pure accident; in a later script, $STARTUP already has stuff like "dbus-launch" prepended, so it wouldn't work any more | 12:44 |
| seb128 | oh | 12:45 |
| didrocks | oh bad. maybe the BASESTARTUP stuff should be recorded in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20x11-common_process-args | 12:46 |
| pitti | meh, dash doesn't have anything for checking for a substring | 12:46 |
| pitti | ah, I think I know a trick | 12:49 |
| pitti | if [ "${STARTUP#*gnome-session}" != "$STARTUP" ]; then we_are_running_gnome | 12:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, doesn't handle the case where it's x-session-manager though | 12:56 |
| pitti | seb128: sure, I added that as well | 12:56 |
| pitti | with teh same trick | 12:56 |
| pitti | now I need to check whether calling gconftool does bad things there | 12:56 |
| pitti | in terms of startup | 12:56 |
| pitti | it could just mean that it loads the daemon earlier, which could be fine | 12:57 |
| pitti | but destroy Chris' efforts of not blocking on it | 12:57 |
| seb128 | it will probably put the 0.5 seconds gconf hit there | 12:57 |
| pitti | if it delays the startup too much, then we can just as well fix that damn ssh-agent | 12:57 |
| seb128 | which chriscoulson tried to delay | 12:57 |
| pitti | (yay for having two things for the same thing) | 12:57 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks for helping on updates | 13:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, could you announce on the channel what you start on though? | 13:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: no pb, I'm on nautilus now | 13:27 |
| seb128 | I try to not read emails every 5 minutes during the day so I don't notice workflow bugs | 13:28 |
| seb128 | ok, I was starting on it | 13:28 |
| seb128 | and noticed your gvfs bug | 13:28 |
| didrocks | gvfs is waiting on new glib | 13:28 |
| seb128 | that's why I figured I would mention it there ;-) | 13:28 |
| seb128 | right, I did read comments about that now | 13:28 |
| didrocks | ok, I've finished nautilus one, but if you still want to work on it :) | 13:28 |
| seb128 | no that's ok | 13:28 |
| seb128 | it closes one open bug I think | 13:28 |
| didrocks | I generally check the bug which a release close at the end of the update (you followed the trunk?) | 13:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, (yes) | 13:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, bug #504185 | 13:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 504185 in nautilus "Sidepane misaligned (a few pixels too high)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504185 | 13:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I think that one is fixed | 13:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, just to spare you the time looking through bugs | 13:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks :) | 13:31 |
| seb128 | you might want to check it's true ;-) | 13:32 |
| seb128 | it just seems similar to the alignement issue fixed in git | 13:32 |
| didrocks | I'll check | 13:32 |
| baptistemm | I can check if you want, I'll currently building git | 13:36 |
| didrocks | that would be nice :) | 13:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: right, it fixes that one | 13:40 |
| baptistemm | the alignment issue seems to be fixed, but the bug upstream is not clease | 13:42 |
| baptistemm | closed | 13:43 |
| pitti | hmm | 13:47 |
| pitti | seb128: so, calling gconftool takes 0.4 seconds of CPU, and still causes gconfd to read everything again, apparently | 13:47 |
| pitti | that's even more overhead than ssh-agent itself | 13:47 |
| seb128 | weird | 13:48 |
| seb128 | I would just expect it to move the gconf database loading there | 13:48 |
| seb128 | since that's the first call in the session | 13:48 |
| pitti | that's what I thought | 13:49 |
| pitti | or perhaps gconftool just generally is that expensive | 13:49 |
| chrisccoulson | where is gconftool being called? | 13:50 |
| chrisccoulson | the first gconf read from any client in the session causes gconfd to read and parse its XML files | 13:51 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I added it to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent | 13:51 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: to check whether the user disabled ssh agent in g-keyring | 13:51 |
| chrisccoulson | i have a gconf patch though to make it read and parse them when it starts, rather than wait for a client | 13:51 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: hm, ^ should that make a practical difference? | 13:51 |
| pitti | isn't gconfd spawned by the library once the first client connects? | 13:52 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - ah, that's not good. one of the things i was trying to do is to delay reading from gconf for as long as possible | 13:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I know | 13:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it was just a test | 13:52 |
| chrisccoulson | gconfd is spawned by gnome-session if its not already running | 13:52 |
| chrisccoulson | or by a client if it's not already running | 13:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: if it wasn't for that gconf key, we could efficiently suppress ssh-agent for GNOME session | 13:52 |
| pitti | s | 13:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but on the charts, the XML loading seems to happen right at the start of gconfd already | 13:53 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - it will do if a client activated it and asked for a value | 13:53 |
| chrisccoulson | but when it is spawned by gnome-session, it doesn't do anything until a client tries to read a value | 13:53 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, would it make sense to have a random Xsession script triggering the read? | 13:54 |
| pitti | I already had an Xsession.d script for taht | 13:54 |
| pitti | which called gconftool -g /invalid | 13:55 |
| seb128 | well does it make next stage faster? | 13:55 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - we could do. the dbus environment has to be set up first though, otherwise you end up with 2 gconfd's in the session | 13:55 |
| pitti | it didn't really help, though | 13:55 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ah, I think that was the problem | 13:55 |
| chrisccoulson | and dbus currently isn't set up until after ssh-agent starts is it? | 13:55 |
| pitti | I think I started it too early | 13:55 |
| chrisccoulson | gconf needs dbus for clients to discover it | 13:55 |
| seb128 | I would expect that we could do gconf work at the same time than xrandr etc are active | 13:55 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i fell in to that trap when i was experimenting with it before | 13:55 |
| seb128 | oh, right | 13:55 |
| pitti | so, I think I'll rather look into ssh-agent itself | 13:56 |
| pitti | it shouldn't block everything for 0.5 seconds | 13:56 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, 0.5 seconds is crazy | 13:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: apparently, I got a rejection for nautilus. This one is not on the desktop set | 14:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, I can sponsor for you | 14:01 |
| pitti | are you guys planning to update glib? | 14:02 |
| pitti | if so, I'm currently testing whether -O3 makes any difference (for the markup parser -> gconf, etc.) | 14:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, when there is an update yes | 14:03 |
| pitti | ok, so not "right now" then | 14:03 |
| seb128 | no | 14:03 |
| desrt | seb, pitti; hi | 14:04 |
| seb128 | hey desrt | 14:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: dget http://www.didrocks.fr/temp/nautilus_2.29.2-0ubuntu1.dsc | 14:04 |
| seb128 | had a good weekend? | 14:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 14:04 |
| didrocks | hey desrt | 14:04 |
| desrt | ya. got a lot of work done :p | 14:04 |
| seb128 | waouh! | 14:04 |
| desrt | didrocks: is this the nick you always use? | 14:04 |
| desrt | eh. i have "real paid work" at work that i'm supposed to do | 14:05 |
| desrt | and i wasted a lot of the week doing GVariant work instead | 14:05 |
| didrocks | desrt: normally, yes :) | 14:05 |
| desrt | so i felt guilty and i had to catch up :) | 14:05 |
| desrt | didrocks: noted. hi. :) | 14:05 |
| didrocks | desrt: (Didier, we met at last UDS) | 14:05 |
| desrt | yes. i did /whois because i suspected that | 14:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: are you working on updating g-p-m? | 14:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we already have 2.29? | 14:06 |
| chrisccoulson | there is a gpm update again? | 14:06 |
| desrt | is g-p-m fixed yet? :) | 14:06 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, 2.28.3 | 14:06 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - ah, we already have 2.29.1 | 14:06 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, no, only 2.28.3, sorry | 14:06 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt - whats wrong with g-p-m? | 14:06 |
| desrt | in karmic it causes my computer to suspend when waking up | 14:06 |
| pitti | . o O { speaking of which, the bootchart has two more gconftool-2 invocations; that needs to stop } | 14:07 |
| pitti | hey desrt | 14:07 |
| desrt | pitti: hi :) | 14:07 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt - hyperair is working on that issue, but we've found aother problem with the fix in karmic-proposed | 14:07 |
| desrt | cool | 14:07 |
| chrisccoulson | but it will be fixed :) | 14:07 |
| desrt | maybe i should be running -proposed | 14:07 |
| hyperair | i hear my name. | 14:08 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt - there is a fix already in karmic-proposed which may fix it for you | 14:08 |
| chrisccoulson | but there is still a corner case which affects some users | 14:08 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: no, it broke. | 14:08 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: my change broke whatever fix 1.1 did | 14:08 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - oh, i didn't realise that | 14:08 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - do you want me to take a look at it too? | 14:08 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: if you uploaded my most recent patch to both lucid and karmic, then both lucid and karmic are broken again | 14:09 |
| hyperair | in addition, gpm upstream.. hughsie committed my patch | 14:09 |
| hyperair | which broke whatever fixes the first patch made | 14:09 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, so we're back to square one then :( | 14:09 |
| hyperair | yes | 14:09 |
| hyperair | we are | 14:09 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti ^^ | 14:09 |
| hyperair | because dkp-gobj has such bloody ridiculous behaviour >=( | 14:09 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: i can work on another hackish solution, but i'm not familiar enough with glib to implement a proper solution to this. | 14:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you forget to bzr push the changes? | 14:10 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - i'm at work at the moment, but feel free to ping me later if you need any assistance | 14:10 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: sure. | 14:10 |
| pitti | ah, too bad | 14:11 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: when do you end work? | 14:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum? debcheckout took upstream svn. I was thinking there were no branch so. Fixing that now | 14:11 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - about 17:00 UTC | 14:11 |
| hyperair | i see. +8 that would be.. 25. | 14:11 |
| hyperair | i'll be awake | 14:11 |
| seb128 | didrocks, debian svn you mean there? | 14:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok thanks | 14:12 |
| didrocks | seb128: debcheckout definitely take debian svn. Maybe a patch would be needed in that case to prefer vcs-bzr one | 14:12 |
| seb128 | or we should clean the debian vcs lines | 14:12 |
| seb128 | I was not sure what to do about those | 14:12 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: do you think it would be a feasible idea upstream to make all parts of gpm use the same dkp client handle? | 14:13 |
| didrocks | you think so? it's an extra line on merges… | 14:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I've no strong opinion either way | 14:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, one control line is not real work | 14:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we add the bzr one anyway it's in the same diff chunck | 14:13 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - possibly. that might be a better way to do it | 14:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, did you sponsor it already or I can remove it? | 14:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks, sponsored | 14:14 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - most of the classes in g-p-m are already used as singletons anyway | 14:14 |
| hyperair | hmm | 14:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks, there is a pending change from kees is bzr already anyway | 14:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks, just queue changes there | 14:14 |
| hyperair | gobject is so confusing >_> | 14:14 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, it'll be for next round so, with kees changes | 14:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks, or get a -0ubuntu2 upload | 14:14 |
| hyperair | if gpm were written in C++ it'd be so much more straightforward | 14:14 |
| chrisccoulson | so having only one DkpClient instance might be a good idea | 14:14 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - i love gobject :D | 14:15 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: and i hate it. i'd rather go vala. | 14:15 |
| pitti | gobject from python or vala is indeed great :) | 14:15 |
| pitti | it's just a nuisance in C | 14:15 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 14:15 |
| didrocks | seb128: where is kees change? bzr log -r -1 show me your last change (debian/patches/11_no_session_delay.patch) | 14:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, look to changelog? | 14:16 |
| pitti | perhaps we ought to introduce a general best practice to use bound branches | 14:16 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh right, seing it | 14:16 |
| pitti | so that we don't forget to push any more | 14:17 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I didn't want to upload it with previous changes I did so I shuffled bzr around | 14:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, is that "each commit is pushed online"? | 14:17 |
| pitti | right | 14:17 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok | 14:17 |
| hyperair | will upower/disks be entering lucid? | 14:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, how does that work with offline work? | 14:18 |
| pitti | seb128: it fails, or you have to do bzr commit --local | 14:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, like I'm packaging in the train when coming back from sprint | 14:18 |
| pitti | or you have to "bzr unbind" first | 14:19 |
| pitti | I'm not generally a huge fan of this mode either | 14:19 |
| pitti | it's just another option | 14:19 |
| pitti | I only use it for some projects where other people commit often | 14:19 |
| pitti | like the WI tracker | 14:19 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:20 |
| seb128 | will think about it | 14:20 |
| pitti | I think a good middle ground would be to push when you do "debcommit -r" | 14:20 |
| pitti | if that had a --push option, then we could set an alias | 14:20 |
| pitti | just thinking aloud, tho | 14:21 |
| seb128 | I don't think it's too much of an issue right now | 14:21 |
| seb128 | whatever model we pick we will always some have some glitches | 14:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, are you on the devicekit mailing list? | 14:22 |
| pitti | yes, I am | 14:22 |
| * pitti tries to figure out whether a .1 second saving is just noise, or the result of glib with -O3 | 14:23 | |
| seb128 | <seb128> hughsie, any news about https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24329? | 14:23 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 24329 in DeviceKit-power "Dell Mini 9 does not show remaining battery time" [Normal,Assigned] | 14:23 |
| seb128 | <hughsie> seb128: can you ping me a mail to the devkit ml and i'll add it to my todo for this week pls? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ could you quickly drop an email about that on the bug? you are the one who sent the bug upstream too ;-) | 14:23 |
| seb128 | it will avoid me to look for the email address, subscribe, etc | 14:24 |
| pitti | seb128: can do, or ping him on IRC | 14:24 |
| * pitti keeps tab as a reminder | 14:24 | |
| seb128 | pitti, what I copied is the reply I just got with an IRC ping | 14:24 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 14:24 |
| pitti | yep, will do | 14:24 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:24 |
| seb128 | arrrrg | 14:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, !!!! | 14:27 |
| desrt | talk like a french pirate day? | 14:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: what? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we stay on evo 2.28 for lucid | 14:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we stay on evo 2.28 for lucid... | 14:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no gtkhtml 3.29 | 14:27 |
| seb128 | bah | 14:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: I didn't upload evo? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | you did gtkhtml | 14:27 |
| didrocks | oh gtkhtml is only related to evo? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | which is part of the evo stack | 14:28 |
| seb128 | could you please start pinged there when you do updates? | 14:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: yes, it was before you notified me about this (this morning) | 14:28 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:28 |
| didrocks | so, reverting with an epoch? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | that one is annoying now | 14:29 |
| seb128 | I hate epochs | 14:29 |
| seb128 | especially when it means never syncing with debian again | 14:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, how much did you try if it works in 2.28? | 14:29 |
| pitti | don't do an epoch, please | 14:29 |
| pitti | 2.29+really2.28 | 14:29 |
| didrocks | sorry, I wasn't thinking it was so related to evo, just an external library used. I took care about not touching evo upgrade | 14:29 |
| seb128 | that's ok | 14:30 |
| seb128 | but usually when we didn't do any of the 2.29 updates there is a reason | 14:30 |
| seb128 | so ask there | 14:30 |
| didrocks | ok, sorry :( | 14:31 |
| seb128 | how much did you test it? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | do you use evo as an email client? | 14:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: I restarted evolution IIRC | 14:31 |
| didrocks | not sure to have stopped the daemon | 14:31 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if we could use the new gtkhtml and evo 2.28 | 14:31 |
| seb128 | let me ask upstream | 14:31 |
| didrocks | maybe pitti's trick about 2.28+really2.28 is better? | 14:32 |
| seb128 | right, I was going for that in any case | 14:33 |
| seb128 | as said no epoch | 14:33 |
| didrocks | ok, I do it right now | 14:34 |
| seb128 | but I'm checking with upstream if 2.29 can work with evo 2.28 | 14:34 |
| seb128 | and if they would recommend mixing versions | 14:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, not don't | 14:34 |
| didrocks | ok | 14:34 |
| seb128 | please stop touching this one for now ;-) | 14:34 |
| didrocks | noted down, sorry again :( | 14:34 |
| seb128 | that's ok | 14:34 |
| seb128 | happens to everybody | 14:34 |
| seb128 | but that serves as a lessons for everybody | 14:34 |
| seb128 | we better communicate on IRC | 14:34 |
| seb128 | rather than randomly upload ;-) | 14:35 |
| seb128 | it's part my fault, it's not filtered out on version | 14:35 |
| seb128 | which I'm not sure why | 14:35 |
| seb128 | I did filter evo* | 14:35 |
| seb128 | and gtkhtml too | 14:35 |
| seb128 | but that didn't work on the gtkhtml version | 14:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the git log suggests it should work fine on lucid | 14:40 |
| seb128 | let's see how it behaves | 14:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: I have restarted the daemon and can't open evolution now | 14:40 |
| seb128 | :-( | 14:40 |
| seb128 | what error do you get? | 14:40 |
| seb128 | what daemon btw? | 14:41 |
| didrocks | file not found | 14:41 |
| seb128 | which file? | 14:41 |
| didrocks | evolution –force-shutdown | 14:42 |
| didrocks | ok, the evolution package is in conflict now. Don't know what happened | 14:42 |
| didrocks | in any case, revert seems to be needed | 14:42 |
| seb128 | let me try to upgrade there first | 14:44 |
| seb128 | I would like to understand why | 14:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: you will have a conflict | 14:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: I used dpkg -i first | 14:44 |
| didrocks | then, had an issue because of shlibs << 2.29 | 14:44 |
| seb128 | conflict between what and what? | 14:44 |
| didrocks | so I fixed it | 14:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: libgtkhtml-editor0 and libgtkhtml3.14-19 | 14:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: I update the shlibs and then, maybe evolution has been removed when executing apt-get install -f without noticing it on my side | 14:46 |
| seb128 | right | 14:47 |
| seb128 | in any case we need to fix evolution now | 14:47 |
| seb128 | can you try to rebuild with your new gtkhtml | 14:47 |
| seb128 | and see how it works once reinstalled? | 14:47 |
| seb128 | gtkhtml shlib was >> 2.28 << 2.29 | 14:48 |
| seb128 | which is pretty stupid thing to do and coming from debian | 14:48 |
| didrocks | ok, let me try to rebuild evolution | 14:48 |
| seb128 | drop the << part of the gtkhtml shlibs | 14:48 |
| seb128 | and rebuild evo | 14:48 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:48 |
| seb128 | I'm waiting for a reply from upstream too | 14:48 |
| seb128 | right, evolution got removed now on my une install | 14:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, evolution need an upload now in any case | 14:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, do you want to do it or should I? | 14:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, just to pick the new shlibs | 14:55 |
| seb128 | it's required in any case since 2.29.is.2.28 would still be > 2.29 | 14:55 |
| didrocks | seb128: don't you prefer I test it first locally? | 14:55 |
| didrocks | oh right | 14:55 |
| seb128 | no | 14:55 |
| seb128 | that's just to pick the shlib fix | 14:55 |
| didrocks | I can do it if you prefer | 14:55 |
| seb128 | as you want | 14:56 |
| seb128 | I've the checkout and everything | 14:56 |
| seb128 | let me do it there | 14:56 |
| didrocks | ok | 14:56 |
| didrocks | I'm testing locally with the new lib version now | 14:56 |
| seb128 | hanks | 14:57 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:57 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - did you figure out if your 0.1 second saving with -O3 is real? | 14:58 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: no; I'm afraid savings of that magnitude are below bootchart's noise level | 14:58 |
| * seb128 thinks charts change too much to get 0.1s out of noise | 14:59 | |
| chrisccoulson | ah, that's a shame | 14:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'd need to instrument gconfd to print microsecond timestamps | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | i suppose you'd need to run it a few hundred times to get something that's statistically relevant ;) | 14:59 |
| pitti | I won't waste time on that fornow | 14:59 |
| pitti | I'll profile g-s-d plugins now, and check out that ssh-agent thing | 15:00 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/DeviceKit/DeviceKit-power/commit/?id=b8a200eb481a42adf26d639dbdc2224a6c99f841 <-- this needs to get into karmic and lucid. then my second patch will do the trick. | 15:00 |
| pitti | there's much more beef there | 15:00 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: but i should really test build to make sure nothing else goes wrong this time | 15:00 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - yeah, i was just about to ping hughsie and ask if DkpClient should be a singleton to avoid these issues | 15:00 |
| chrisccoulson | so, it seems like he beat me to it ;) | 15:01 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: i poked him about it ;-) | 15:01 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - ah, thanks :) | 15:01 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: np. i was actually lying in wait for him for quite a while already, but he always seemed to do his work while not being on irc. | 15:01 |
| chrisccoulson | ^^pitti - did you see that too? | 15:01 |
| pitti | I just saw the patch | 15:02 |
| pitti | I think it's ok to try in karmic-proposed, since except g-p-m not much else is using dk-p yet | 15:02 |
| davmor2 | asac: I'm doing some testing on hardy.4 FF doesn't seem able to track down the plugin for flash. I went to the vimeo site as I know it has flash and FF's plugin finder gets triggered. | 15:02 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks. are you ok to upload that? | 15:03 |
| pitti | I'm happy to sponsor something, yes | 15:04 |
| pitti | if someone could throw the patch URL to the bug, as a reminder for me? | 15:04 |
| pitti | (or just upload it) | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i don't think i can upload dk-power | 15:05 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: you can | 15:05 |
| pitti | at least as long as KDE/XFCE aren't using it yet, I figure | 15:06 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - oh, ok. i'll give that a try in a bit | 15:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, upstream says there has been incompatible changes | 15:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, the build is not finished yet, but if upstream says that… | 15:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, so take the version which was in lucid before you upload | 15:10 |
| seb128 | and update the changelog using a version 3.29.6.is.3.28.something | 15:10 |
| seb128 | set the shlib back to what it was for >> | 15:11 |
| seb128 | and change the << to 3.29.7 | 15:11 |
| seb128 | or 3.30 | 15:11 |
| seb128 | or drop it | 15:11 |
| seb128 | and upload | 15:11 |
| didrocks | ok, doing it right now | 15:11 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:11 |
| didrocks | sorry again | 15:11 |
| seb128 | no problem | 15:11 |
| seb128 | happens to everybody | 15:11 |
| hyperair | pitti: i noticed the Maintainer for devkit-power isn't set to ubuntu developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss .. blah blah. should i leave it be? (my DEBEMAIL is an @ubuntu.com, so dpkg-buildpackage refuses to let me through without changing it) | 15:22 |
| pitti | hyperair: feel free to; I co-maintain it with Michael Biebl in Debian git, so I didn't change it | 15:22 |
| hyperair | i see. | 15:22 |
| * pitti was lazy and used DEBEMAIL= debuild -S for SRUs | 15:23 | |
| hyperair | heh | 15:23 |
| hyperair | i see. | 15:23 |
| rickspencer3 | good morning all | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | ArneGoetje, asac, bryyce, kenvandine, pitti, seb128, chrisccoulson, Nafai, etclll 0/ | 15:25 |
| hyperair | it hasn't reached morning yet here.. | 15:25 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 15:25 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, how are you? | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | hey rickspencer3 | 15:25 |
| ArneGoetje | rickspencer3: hi | 15:26 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm a bit crispy this morning, tbh ;) | 15:26 |
| chrisccoulson | hey rickspencer3, how are you? | 15:26 |
| rickspencer3 | had to finally register my nick this morning to get into some of my channels :/ | 15:27 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i think there were a few issues over the weekend with the channels getting spammed | 15:27 |
| didrocks | hey rickspencer3 | 15:27 |
| rickspencer3 | good afternoon didrocks | 15:27 |
| rickspencer3 | looks like a lot of action on blueprints over the last couple of days | 15:28 |
| rickspencer3 | maybe I should take Fridays off more often | 15:28 |
| seb128 | heh | 15:28 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/gnome-settings-daemon-20100125.png | 15:29 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3, good morning | 15:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, so xrandr and xrdb takes time | 15:30 |
| seb128 | which we knew | 15:30 |
| seb128 | nothing really slow otherwise | 15:30 |
| pitti | drawing the background is almost a second | 15:31 |
| seb128 | that's on une right? | 15:31 |
| seb128 | ie when nautilus doesn't do it | 15:31 |
| seb128 | that's similar to the time I was getting with nautilus | 15:31 |
| pitti | xkl_engine_start_listen takes long, too | 15:31 |
| seb128 | I had a 0.8 seconds win without a background | 15:31 |
| pitti | seb128: right, UNE | 15:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, xkl is in an idle loop though | 15:32 |
| seb128 | no? | 15:32 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - xkl_engine_start_listen happens after the next phase has started | 15:32 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah | 15:32 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 beat me to it ;) | 15:32 |
| chrisccoulson | the bits which block the session end at "gnome_settings_manager_start: end" | 15:33 |
| seb128 | 0.58 seconds start | 15:33 |
| seb128 | that's actually quite good | 15:33 |
| chrisccoulson | but that xrandr delay is sized perfectly to slot in the gconf XML defaults parsing in parallel :) | 15:34 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think both activities fight for CPU activity there | 15:34 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: in other words, your patch should help now? | 15:34 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, it should. i just need to get my packages up to date | 15:34 |
| pitti | since we eliminated the other bits in the chain? | 15:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: I got a FTBFS on gtkhtml (http://paste.ubuntu.com/362663/). I should patch to use something like gtk_widget_is_toplevel() instead of GTK_WIDGET_TOPLEVEL, right? | 15:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yes | 15:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, see http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtkhtml/commit/?id=265e4da7d533ab32243f4e63c5c35c12de5d62b2 | 15:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I guess you can apply that one directlyhttp://git.gnome.org/browse/gtkhtml/commit/?id=265e4da7d533ab32243f4e63c5c35c12de5d62b2 | 15:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: I will try, thanks | 15:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you're welcome | 15:37 |
| seb128 | stupid question but is there any init function required to use GList and GString? | 15:37 |
| seb128 | I'm used to work on gtk apps and do gtk_init | 15:37 |
| seb128 | but if that's purely a glib app without any event handling, just strings work | 15:38 |
| seb128 | bratsche, desrt: ^ | 15:40 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i don't think you need to call anything to use them | 15:41 |
| seb128 | I don't think either but I'm checking ;-) | 15:41 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 15:41 |
| bratsche | Yeah, I don't think so. | 15:42 |
| seb128 | bratsche, thanks | 15:44 |
| pitti | *boggle* | 16:29 |
| pitti | after purging pulseaudio, boot time reduced from 16.1 to 14.7 | 16:29 |
| seb128 | urg | 16:29 |
| pitti | pulse itself doesn't actually take a noticeable amount of CPU on the charts | 16:30 |
| pitti | I wonder whether that's just due to not playing the login sounds, etc. | 16:30 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, seems easy to test? | 16:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, I did cut the xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update from 1 seconds to 0.3 seconds there | 16:31 |
| pitti | seb128: wow! just now? | 16:31 |
| seb128 | that's not really busy time though | 16:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, it was doing gtk init every time but only needs it when there is a change and a dialog to show | 16:31 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I'll try disabling the sound theme and profile again | 16:31 |
| seb128 | the gtk init leads to load of loading | 16:32 |
| seb128 | themes, etc | 16:32 |
| pitti | nm-applet is still crazy, though | 16:32 |
| * pitti eyes the new NM maintainer | 16:32 | |
| seb128 | right | 16:32 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:32 |
| pitti | I didn't have any network right now | 16:32 |
| pitti | (older kernel -> no bcm wl) | 16:33 |
| seb128 | do we officially have one now? | 16:33 |
| pitti | and it took > 1 s | 16:33 |
| seb128 | similar to my chart then | 16:33 |
| seb128 | it's the spinning animation... | 16:33 |
| seb128 | we could animate less | 16:33 |
| pitti | but I didn't even see an animation | 16:33 |
| pitti | there is no network to connect to | 16:33 |
| seb128 | weird | 16:34 |
| seb128 | the 1 second there is the icon spinning for pretty sure | 16:34 |
| seb128 | it does that while waiting for dhcp reply | 16:34 |
| pitti | anyway, for general motivation: that's the state of the art (with old kernel which doesn't have the boot time regression): http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100125-oldkernel.png | 16:35 |
| pitti | 16.1 seconds | 16:35 |
| pitti | that's pretty awesome already | 16:35 |
| seb128 | is that with pulse? | 16:35 |
| pitti | yes, with pulse | 16:35 |
| seb128 | bah | 16:35 |
| seb128 | that gap in cpu use annoys me | 16:35 |
| pitti | seb128: as I said, 14.7 without pulse | 16:35 |
| pitti | seb128: check out http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100125-oldkernel-nopulseaudio.png | 16:36 |
| seb128 | it means that for some reason things are waiting | 16:36 |
| seb128 | and I don't know why | 16:36 |
| kklimonda | pitti, and the final target is what - 10 or 15 seconds? | 16:36 |
| pitti | for some reason the gap is almost gone there | 16:36 |
| pitti | kklimonda: 12 I think | 16:36 |
| seb128 | so we have desktop around 7 seconds now | 16:36 |
| pitti | the mutter plugin still needs a lot of work | 16:36 |
| rickspencer3 | 10 seconds | 16:36 |
| * rickspencer3 whip cracking noises | 16:37 | |
| kklimonda | btw, now that there is the new merge process involving lots of bzr magic how to merge packages that have branches in ~ubuntu-desktop ? | 16:37 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, you said 12 seconds some days ago? | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 16:37 |
| desrt | seb128: you will notice something interesting later today or tomorrow | 16:37 |
| seb128 | heh! | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, sabdfl mentioned 12 seconds on one call | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | but I don't know why he changed it from 10 to 12 | 16:37 |
| seb128 | desrt, like desrt * rb4c0b10658bb glib/glib/tests/ (.gitignore Makefile.am gvarianttype.c): add testcase for GVariantType | 16:37 |
| seb128 | ? | 16:37 |
| desrt | seb128: you're too fast :( | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | so we should continute to shoot for 10 until I hear a good reason why the goal changed | 16:37 |
| seb128 | desrt, ;-) | 16:37 |
| desrt | i assumed you only read changelogs while packaging :p | 16:37 |
| * seb128 hugs desrt | 16:37 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: ack | 16:37 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, we do yes | 16:38 |
| desrt | (release is coming this afternoon) | 16:38 |
| pitti | gvariant hitting glib now? | 16:38 |
| * pitti hugs desrt, great work! | 16:38 | |
| desrt | pitti: parts already have | 16:38 |
| desrt | pitti: other parts in the next week or two | 16:38 |
| desrt | the merge is actively in progress at this point, though | 16:38 |
| * pitti sees http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/log/ | 16:38 | |
| desrt | the type system was the part that matthias had the most concerns about, so hopefully the rest goes easier :) | 16:39 |
| seb128 | the plumber boot is 1 second over target too right now | 16:40 |
| seb128 | it means if they get what they want we are down to 13.7s | 16:40 |
| seb128 | without pulseaudio | 16:40 |
| * desrt has a solution! | 16:40 | |
| desrt | change pulseaudio into system daemon mode | 16:41 |
| desrt | that way it goes under plumbing budget :) | 16:41 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:41 |
| desrt | no. but seriously. that would actually be kinda nice for when you have audio streaming setup | 16:41 |
| desrt | it annoys me that i have to login to [arbitrary user account] in order to be able to stream to my shared speakers | 16:41 |
| desrt | should just work | 16:42 |
| seb128 | is there any reason to not want to do that? | 16:42 |
| desrt | i don't know. | 16:43 |
| pitti | all users would share the same daemon | 16:43 |
| desrt | but is that bad? | 16:43 |
| pitti | so it could be a security concern | 16:43 |
| pitti | but anyway, Lennart strongly recommends using per-user | 16:43 |
| desrt | ah. good to know. | 16:43 |
| pitti | so as distro packagers we better follow that | 16:43 |
| desrt | is his concern the security one? | 16:44 |
| pitti | it's easy to enable, of course; it has an init script and all that | 16:44 |
| pitti | desrt: I'm not sure | 16:44 |
| pitti | could also be weird race conditions and what not | 16:44 |
| pitti | in particular, you would loose the automatic ACLs on sound devices | 16:44 |
| desrt | true. | 16:44 |
| pitti | i. e. all users could accesss the sound card at the same time, even the inactive sessions | 16:44 |
| pitti | or ssh ones | 16:44 |
| pitti | but as I said, that's just my braindump | 16:44 |
| desrt | sounds like good enough reasons to me | 16:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, note that without pulseaudio you have things not starting in the session | 16:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, like the mixer notification icon | 16:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, and the g-s-d volume key handler probably exit too | 16:46 |
| pitti | seb128: right; I very much susped those secondary effects | 16:46 |
| pitti | seb128: my secret hope is that disabling the sound theme by default makes it faster | 16:46 |
| pitti | and these are just a nuisance in public environments anyway | 16:46 |
| pitti | which is a good excuse for a netbook! | 16:47 |
| seb128 | did you try that? | 16:47 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm at it | 16:47 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:47 |
| seb128 | so g-s-d is buggy when it comes to displaying a solid color background | 16:47 |
| === roobiew_ is now known as robbiew | ||
| seb128 | rickspencer3, do you remember what crashed exactly when we tried empathy video call a week ago? was that segfault? did you send it to launchpad? | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I don't remember | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | I don't think there was a crash | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | sorry | 17:11 |
| seb128 | ok, no problem | 17:11 |
| seb128 | we might try again tomorrow ;-) | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | sounds good | 17:12 |
| seb128 | I'm looking at the empathy update | 17:17 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ | 17:17 |
| pitti | ok, no win on disabling the sound theme | 17:17 |
| didrocks | ok :) | 17:17 |
| didrocks | pitti: your ears get some win there :) | 17:18 |
| fagan | Hmmm is that a known issue that the sound notifications slow emapthy down a little | 17:18 |
| fagan | Mine freezes for like a second when the sound is about to play | 17:18 |
| pitti | so I just added a WI for nm-applet | 17:18 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, work items are going up! | 17:19 |
| * rickspencer3 chiver | 17:19 | |
| rickspencer3 | shiver, even | 17:19 |
| pitti | I know, I keep adding them for startup-speed :) | 17:20 |
| pitti | but at the same time half of them got fixed, too | 17:20 |
| fagan | rickspencer3: well mine will be done by the end of the day I think :) | 17:20 |
| rickspencer3 | fagan, yeah! | 17:20 |
| pitti | or even more | 17:20 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, well, if we're doing that work (and by "we" I mean "you" ;) ) it may was well be accounted for | 17:21 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 17:21 |
| rickspencer3 | so thanks for keeping the work items up to date, it's good for folks in the community and what not to see what's going on too | 17:21 |
| pitti | nevertheless, 'nuff boot speed stuff for today; dinner, and then some sponsoring, and some sport | 17:21 |
| seb128 | I should add the things I do too | 17:21 |
| seb128 | like the xdg-user-dirs change | 17:21 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, yeah, that would be good | 17:22 |
| pitti | seb128: please do; I used to add the time that it saves when flipping to done | 17:23 |
| didrocks | pitti: simple-scan is already in main. Apparently, no MIR to do on it (and one less WI ;)) | 17:37 |
| fagan | has it been seeded? | 17:37 |
| * fagan hates xsane | 17:38 | |
| didrocks | fagan: I think so, it's on ubuntu-desktop task at least | 17:39 |
| === vish is now known as \vish | ||
| pitti | didrocks: I did the MIR some days ago, lool approved, I changed the seeds | 17:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: hm, I only changed the ubuntu-desktop seed, though, not UNE | 17:59 |
| pitti | fagan: yes | 17:59 |
| pitti | u-meta needs a rebuild now | 18:00 |
| pitti | ... doing | 18:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, I've removed the WI as I thought it was invalid | 18:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: I'm adding it to the UNE seed so | 18:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: it was duplicated with the document-scanning spec; thanks | 18:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, can you commit ther? | 18:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: I don't remember if I was able to commit just the seed (not the meta-package) | 18:01 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 18:02 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, wb | 18:02 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, how are you? | 18:03 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, good! you? | 18:03 |
| seb128 | getting ready for sport, I've to leave in some minute | 18:03 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm good thanks. just arrived back from work :) | 18:03 |
| seb128 | will be back after that though | 18:03 |
| didrocks | pitti: it was already there. We did it apparently during the sprint (same for gwibber). I'm doing the gwibber MIR now | 18:08 |
| seb128 | getting gwibber promoted? | 18:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: for UNE default app, yes | 18:11 |
| seb128 | ok | 18:11 |
| seb128 | I've to go now, sport time | 18:11 |
| seb128 | didrocks, kenvandine: I didn't manage to start on the empathy upgrade | 18:11 |
| seb128 | if one of you want to work on if feel free | 18:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, taking it | 18:12 |
| seb128 | I will have a look when coming back from sport in 2 hours otheriwse | 18:12 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: ^ | 18:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks! | 18:12 |
| didrocks | y/w :) | 18:12 |
| seb128 | see you later | 18:12 |
| pitti | bye everyone | 18:20 |
| didrocks | bye bye pitti | 18:29 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, cool... there are major changes coming to gwibber this week | 18:31 |
| kenvandine | i need to run to an appointment though, can we talk about it tomorrow/ | 18:31 |
| kenvandine | ? | 18:31 |
| * kenvandine runs out for 2 back to back doctor's appointments, be back in about 2 hours | 18:46 | |
| didrocks | kenvandine: sure | 18:56 |
| mclasen | pitti: around ? | 18:58 |
| Nafai | yay for ubuntu developer week. Help get me a good head start for starting next week | 19:05 |
| chrisccoulson | mclasen - i think pitti is finished for the evening now | 19:06 |
| bryyce | chrisccoulson, hey a week or so ago you asked me about http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25855 - did you get a chance to file an SRU for that? | 19:31 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 25855 in Server/general "Screensaver not disabled because of a XResetScreenSaver() regression" [Normal,New] | 19:31 |
| chrisccoulson | hey bryyce - not yet, i've not had any spare time to follow it up yet | 19:32 |
| chrisccoulson | the patch had some review comments on xorg-devel. i need to check the status of that really | 19:32 |
| bryyce | chrisccoulson, ok, good idea. | 19:33 |
| bryyce | chrisccoulson, I'll keep it on my todo list to check back with you about it | 19:34 |
| chrisccoulson | bryyce - thanks. i'll hopefully get a chance to look at that in the next couple of days or so | 19:34 |
| bryyce | sounds great | 19:34 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/362823/ | 19:53 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - thanks. does that seem to resolve the issue?> | 19:56 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: yes. | 19:56 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: but before you upload it.. | 19:57 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: i think it'd be better to have the users test it out of a PPA first | 19:57 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - yeah, that sounds ok | 19:57 |
| hyperair | i've already made two crap uploads, i don't want to make a third crap one. | 19:57 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: also, there's this patch for devkit-power-gobject that i thought was necessary at first, but doesn't seem to be necessary after all | 19:58 |
| hyperair | it makes dkpclient a singleton | 19:58 |
| fagan | rickspencer3 or didrocks are either of you free to do a merge to get my quickly docs :) | 20:15 |
| didrocks | fagan: not right now, but open a merge request :) | 20:16 |
| fagan | Cool, its not perfect but it works and its all docbook | 20:17 |
| huats | didrocks, gtksourceview is for me ! | 20:17 |
| didrocks | huats: ok, was going to take it there, but if you want it, take it :) | 20:18 |
| huats | great ! | 20:18 |
| huats | thanks | 20:18 |
| huats | didrocks, I am about to start it but with the little baby not sure to end it tonight.... I'll finish it by tomorrow anyway | 20:20 |
| didrocks | huats: ok :) | 20:21 |
| didrocks | hum, we are in sync for epiphany-webkit. Let's keep like that | 20:23 |
| fagan | didrocks: just one small question how do you want me to open yelp? | 20:23 |
| fagan | to open yelp in bash its yelp <file> | 20:24 |
| didrocks | fagan: so, yelp file, using subprocess module :) | 20:24 |
| didrocks | fagan: maybe #quickly is better for that | 20:25 |
| fagan | Ok :) | 20:25 |
| didrocks | fagan: you can't join? | 20:26 |
| fagan | Just got there didrocks :) | 20:26 |
| didrocks | working on mousetweaks | 20:34 |
| === cyphermo1 is now known as cyphermox | ||
| didrocks | hey seb128, how was your sport evening? | 21:10 |
| didrocks | taking gedit | 21:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks, good thanks | 21:10 |
| seb128 | just had dinner | 21:10 |
| seb128 | what about you? | 21:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: some updates finally coming :) | 21:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: I didn't touch to glib on purpose. I think you wanted to do it | 21:11 |
| seb128 | yes I will do it thanks | 21:12 |
| didrocks | finishing gedit and then, taking a break. Didn't stop more than 30 min from this morning | 21:12 |
| seb128 | urg | 21:12 |
| didrocks | (but I don't have the feeling to have done so much work, unfortunately :/) | 21:12 |
| seb128 | you should stop yes | 21:12 |
| seb128 | you did quite some updates | 21:13 |
| seb128 | you can let the accessibility ones to TheMuso btw | 21:13 |
| didrocks | that's why I just finish an easy one: gedit | 21:13 |
| seb128 | he usually do those since he knows better how to do testing | 21:13 |
| seb128 | ie mousetweak | 21:13 |
| didrocks | ok, will do for next time. I was waiting for you to come back for glib in fact :) | 21:13 |
| didrocks | ah, and huats is working on gtksourceview | 21:13 |
| didrocks | between two baby cries :) | 21:14 |
| didrocks | for mousetweak, I rebooted the session and try some accessibility key. But sure, I can't test it as much as TheMuso does | 21:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, excellent work | 21:16 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 21:16 |
| seb128 | doing some testing, be back later | 21:21 |
| seb128 | bbl | 21:21 |
| azteech | anyone know if there is a ubuntu-branded version out for firefox 3.5/3.6, 64-bit 9.04? | 21:27 |
| azteech | know there is one out for 9.10 .. but am running 9.04 | 21:27 |
| ccheney | azteech: #ubuntu-mozillateam might know | 21:27 |
| ccheney | azteech: aiui if not yet there will be one eventually, i don't know the current status | 21:28 |
| azteech | ccheney, thanks .. :) | 21:28 |
| chrisccoulson | has anyone got any experience running the intel gma4500 graphics chipset that seems to come as standard in dell laptops at the moment? | 22:41 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, bryyce probably has an idea about how it's working | 22:49 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - thanks | 22:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm laptop shopping and i have no idea what to buy :( | 22:49 |
| seb128 | not easy indeed | 22:49 |
| seb128 | distro team people mostly have lenovo or dell laptops nowadays | 22:50 |
| seb128 | distro team people mostly have lenovo or dell laptops nowadays | 22:50 |
| seb128 | ups | 22:50 |
| seb128 | I'm happy with my latitude one | 22:50 |
| seb128 | I've not looked recently a newer models though | 22:50 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i'm looking at the dells at the moment | 22:50 |
| seb128 | I recommend intel hardware where you can and ssd disk | 22:51 |
| seb128 | my laptop is all intel and everything works out of the box | 22:51 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'll try and stick to intel hardware | 22:51 |
| seb128 | no wifi chipset issue, no video binary driver breakages | 22:51 |
| seb128 | it's probably not as fast for 3d that other cards but for what I do... | 22:52 |
| bryyce | chrisccoulson, most of the intel graphics stuff is reasonably well tested | 22:52 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 / bryyce - thanks :) | 22:52 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: I have a 4500 in my thinkpad, it's solid. | 23:34 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - thanks :) | 23:54 |
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