[00:51] <nomnex> help: OpenID authentication failed: Nonce already used or out of range
[00:51] <nomnex> Cannot sign in Ubuntu One
[00:53] <nomnex> Go to Web function from the panel applet
[00:55] <nomnex> solved
[01:25] <duanedesign> nomnex: happened to me earlier. I tried it a few times and it eventually let me in.
[01:25] <nomnex> duanedesign, thanks.
[01:25] <nomnex> Can someone explains me Ubuntu One, I don't get it right
[01:26] <duanedesign> nomnex: probablly something to keep an eye on. If it continues to act up tommorrow maybe an issue
[01:26] <nomnex> keeps deleting my files on either sides
[01:26] <nomnex> duanedesign, sure
[01:26] <duanedesign> nomnex: are these files or notes?
[01:27] <nomnex> files
[01:27] <duanedesign> hmm
[01:27] <nomnex> maybe you can help? there is only one pc registred, but my too machine update their files, does that sound right?
[01:28] <nomnex> my two...
[01:28] <duanedesign> nomnex: you only have one PC registered with your Ubuntu ONE ACCOUNT
[01:29] <duanedesign> sorry cap fail :)
[01:29] <nomnex> re-phrase: correct only one Computer on my account
[01:30] <nomnex> same log-in name and pass on both machines. could that be the cookie? I have just deleted the second machine, but not cleared the cookies
[01:30] <duanedesign> and your using two machines with Ubuntu One how?
[01:30] <duanedesign> the web interface
[01:30] <nomnex> the applet
[01:30] <nomnex> and folder
[01:31] <nomnex> ubuntu one mirror the files on both machines
[01:32] <duanedesign> nomnex: /3
[01:32] <duanedesign> oops sorry
[01:33] <nomnex> could is new to me. How does that work. when 2 machines are connected in the same time, how do I manage the backup direction and file versions to update?
[01:33] <nomnex> duanedesign, no prob. and my sentence starts with CLOUD
[01:34] <duanedesign> :)
[01:35] <nomnex> no idea
[01:35] <duanedesign> nomnex: you add files to the folder and the database gets updated i think every ten minutes
[01:37] <duanedesign> nomnex: so if you aonly have one computer on the account. Then you add files using the 'other' computer. When the database syncs it is going to remove those files.
[01:37] <duanedesign> nomnex: you need to add the second computer to authorize it to sync
[01:37] <nomnex> duanedesign, so it's a bad idea to have 2 computers running in the same time. That might create conflict. e.g. I backup my bookmarks.json every 1 hour to the folder Ubuntu One, if both computers update at the same time, that might create a conflict?
[01:38] <nomnex> duanedesign, 'other' computer. When the database syncs it is going to remove those files - exact! but how is this possible?
[01:38] <duanedesign> not to get off the subject, but what do you use to back up your bookmarks. Do you do it manually?
[01:39] <nomnex> duanedesign, no, an FF addon, sync places
[01:39] <duanedesign> nomnex: it is syncing to the computer on the account. it is the one that is managing the database.
[01:40] <duanedesign> nomnex: i will have to check that addon out
[01:40] <nomnex> http://www.andyhalford.com/syncplaces/ here, pretty neat!
[01:41] <nomnex> duanedesign, you get me lost. if one registered computer, the dir should be computer-server Ubuntu One. How come another un-registred computer can update and delete its files?
[01:42] <nomnex> detection of new computer occurs manually or auto?
[01:45] <duanedesign> computers hooked up to the same Ubuntu One account should sync files with the Ubuntu One cloud as well as to each other.
[01:46] <duanedesign> nomnex: you can go to the website to add a new computer
[01:46] <nomnex> duanedesign, doing it
[01:47] <nomnex> how? I can only remove selected computer but not add one
[01:47] <nomnex> and the other one is not recognized
[01:48] <duanedesign> nomnex: https://one.ubuntu.com/support/installation/
[01:48] <duanedesign> see step 4
[01:50] <duanedesign> nomnex: if you are seeing the icon in your panel then you already added that computer?
[01:51] <nomnex> correct, I am using Karmic. The computer was on the list. I have removed it, but it still sync
[01:51] <nomnex> any idea?
[01:51] <duanedesign> ohhh
[01:51] <duanedesign> ok
[01:51] <duanedesign> i am getting on the same page with ya :)
[01:51] <nomnex> okay
[01:55] <duanedesign> nomnex: if you wish to remove the computer. Perhaps you need to uninstall the Ubuntu One client. Then access the files strictly through the Web Interfave
[01:57] <nomnex> duanedesign, that's not what I want. I want to mirror both computer since I usually do not use them in the same time. However, why is my second computer not recognized anymore as a new machine? How do I troubleshoot and is the fact I use the same user name/pass on both machines the reason?
[01:59] <duanedesign> nomnex: if you wish to readd the computer to the account and it is not doing so you might need to purge the client and reinstall it
[01:59] <duanedesign> nomnex: also there is a file ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[02:00] <duanedesign> that can provide some info
[02:00] <nomnex> I try to remove the cache first thanks. I get back to you in a min.
[02:01] <duanedesign> nomnex: sure thing :)
[02:02] <nomnex> well these are just log, no configuration file. I guess, I have to re-install the client then
[02:03] <nomnex> duanedesign, is ubuntu one in the repo? do I need to remove the apt line too? advice.
[02:04] <nomnex> advise?
[02:07] <nomnex> duanedesign, u there?
[02:08] <duanedesign> yes
[02:08] <nomnex> duanedesign, good news, clearing the cookies, log-off/on, did the trick, the computer is recognized, so back on track
[02:09] <nomnex> duanedesign, from now on a new document on c1 will be mirror in c2 correct?
[02:10] <duanedesign> ok great
[02:10] <duanedesign> yes sir
[02:11] <duanedesign> nomnex: late last year when i had two computers connected it was alittle slow to sync
[02:11] <duanedesign> nomnex: i think they have fixed that
[02:11] <nomnex> the My Files folder is the "mirror" folder to share docs among several machines and the Shared With Me is a "read only" folder?
[02:11] <duanedesign> nomnex: however if you notice that The best way to force the sync between the two computers is to disconnect the Ubuntu One client and then connect.
[02:12] <duanedesign> nomnex: shared with me is for sharing folders between friends
[02:12] <duanedesign> nomnex: like if me and you were working on a project we could share a folder
[02:13] <nomnex> duanedesign, if I share my docs with you on a project, then the files won't be mirrored?
[02:14] <duanedesign> nomnex: yes they would share the files between us
[02:15] <nomnex> I guess, I am starting to get the pictures, in this case we would share files but not computers right. mmm I mean, your computer and mine would still be on separate accounts
[02:15] <duanedesign> "My Files" is where you should put your files. "Shared With Me" is where folders that other users have shared with you show up.
[02:15] <duanedesign> nomnex: that is correct
[02:16] <duanedesign> nomnex: it is a little confusing. They are working on getting the documentation put together to better explain this.
[02:16] <nomnex> okay, thanks for you time, I will now try my options. do you have the 50 gb plans?
[02:16] <nomnex> I use rsync to backup mirror my pc. it's a bit of a change, but that's nice.
[02:16] <duanedesign> nomnex: not at the moment. I will have it again soon though :) I love the service and it is a great way to support Canonical
[02:17] <nomnex> duanedesign, agreed.
[02:17] <duanedesign> nomnex: glad you got it sorted
[02:17] <nomnex> duanedesign, do you try the notes, evolution contacts, etc?
[02:17] <duanedesign> nomnex: yes i have my notes synced. I used to use a WebDAV i had set up on my server
[02:18] <duanedesign> i like the Ubuntu One option because i can access the notes from the web interface and edit them
[02:18] <duanedesign> The evoloution Contacts is nice too
[02:18] <nomnex> I mean, the new Tomboy note sync on Ubuntu one, and the Evo contact sync - have you tried this functions already?
[02:18] <nomnex> cross post
[02:18] <duanedesign> nomnex: yes
[02:19] <nomnex> do you have a sec to talk about it?
[02:19] <duanedesign> nomnex: sure
[02:19] <nomnex> Tomboy, last when I tried, the formatting was inconsistent. do you use formatting on you notes?
[02:20] <duanedesign> hmm. What type of formatting?
[02:20] <nomnex> Bold, Font sizes
[02:21] <duanedesign> there are not a ton of text formatting options in tomboy. You can make text a little bigger a little smaller. Bold, underline
[02:21] <duanedesign> nomnex: you do not get precise font size control. I think you get Normal, Big, and Bigger
[02:22] <duanedesign> but the wiki style linking between notes is really nice
[02:22] <nomnex> duanedesign, note sync from c1 to c2 trough Ubuntu One note (new function) did not or destroyed some of the note formatting. have you experienced such thing?
[02:22] <duanedesign> nomnex: good question
[02:23] <duanedesign> i just synced a note today that had a lot of formatting and it came through just fine
[02:24] <nomnex> will give it a new try. regarding the contacts, when you enable the d.base sync option, are they both local and on the cloud or only on the cloud? ( a. addressbook.db + Ubuntu One, or b. Ubuntu One only)? I am worry about loosing data.
[02:25] <nomnex> d.base for the cloud is couch.db I guess?
[02:26] <duanedesign> yes it is couchdb
[02:27] <nomnex> I give it a try too. do you use it for you contacts?
[02:28] <duanedesign> I do. i just switched back to Evoloution recently. The U1 sync was one of the reasons i switched back
[02:28] <duanedesign> i am anxious for a Google Android app to sync with the contacts :)
[02:28] <nomnex> duanedesign, Android is the phone?
[02:29] <duanedesign> the api, though i havent found a lot of information, is pretty easy to use. So i imagine application developers will be creating more apps that use ubuntu One in the near future
[02:29] <duanedesign> nomnex: yes it is
[02:29] <duanedesign> nomnex: The Google phone OS
[02:30] <nomnex> I want one but that's not available in Japan yet. Do you like it? I don't like i-phone for the battery no removable and I just don't like Apple
[02:31] <duanedesign> nomnex: i liked my iphone once i 'jailbroke' it. This allows the installation of non Apple Store Apps
[02:31] <duanedesign> but that is frowned on by apple, voids your warranty, and they are increasingly making it harder to do
[02:32] <nomnex> yes, always the same story. How about Android. satisfied?
[02:32] <duanedesign> The Google Android is nice. Since most the other Open Source phone projects have not done well i am hoping Android does well
[02:33] <nomnex> looking forward to see it.
[02:33] <duanedesign> nomnex: you are in Japan?
[02:33] <nomnex> Yes
[02:33] <nomnex> and you must be in the US, or it is very late for you
[02:33] <duanedesign> i hear cell phone technology is far ahead of what it is hear.
[02:34] <duanedesign> nomnex: its getting a little late :)
[02:35] <nomnex> IC. well japs are dumb asses just able to use a terminal for most. They enjoy life in a 3 inches display. Go wonder...
[02:35] <duanedesign> we are just starting to realize the potential for cell phones here in the US. For instance QR code and UPC code readers
[02:35] <duanedesign> lol
[02:36] <nomnex> yes, those functions like scanning bar codes, etc work well here. but looking a the price of communication, that's just crazy
[02:36] <duanedesign> nomnex: you speek English very well. Are you from Japan originally
[02:36] <nomnex> there is no more proprietary market than the Japanese electronic market
[02:36] <nomnex> thank you, my wife is Japanese.
[02:37] <duanedesign> nomnex: true i have a lot of friends around the world in the ubuntu community and i am suprised that a lot of people dont have unlimited bandwith with there monthly service
[02:38] <nomnex> so am I.
[02:38] <nomnex> duanedesign, what is your server?
[02:38] <duanedesign> nomnex: i download all kinds of stuff without thinking twice about it :)
[02:39] <duanedesign> my ISP service or my server(computer)
[02:39] <nomnex> duanedesign, still the good part about Japan is no censor whatsoever. and not ~forgot the word from ISP when you use torrents
[02:39] <nomnex> you said you have a server
[02:39] <nomnex> ubuntu server?
[02:40] <duanedesign> yes i have a VPS. it is a nice way to have access to all the convenience of a server and not have to worry a whole lot about it
[02:40] <nomnex> got it, connection throttle??
[02:40] <duanedesign> though servers are getting cheap.
[02:41] <nomnex> VPS? what's that? do yo have a link.
[02:41] <duanedesign> it is Virtual Private Server. You pay to use someone elses server
[02:41] <duanedesign> my server is 1000mi. away :)
[02:42] <nomnex> oh I see. I understand
[02:43] <nomnex> I am eager to try Ubuntu server 10.04 and the desktop. BTW, the other good part of Japan is a single malt whiskey bottle (Laphroiag by example) costs only 30 USD
[02:43] <nomnex> and that's a very reasonable way to start with your breakfast.
[02:43] <duanedesign> lol, nice
[02:43] <nomnex> the same bottle is 60-70 USD in the US
[02:44] <duanedesign> yeah and the importing of different brands is not very good
[02:44] <nomnex> okay, I going to try my U1 options. thanks for the chit-chat and the help
[02:44] <nomnex> duanedesign, last sentence? different brands? which ones?
[02:44] <duanedesign> nomnex: anytime, good luck
[02:45] <duanedesign> nomnex: i dont drink anymore but when i did there were many beers that you could not get here.
[02:46] <nomnex> that's like U1 always improving. You get anything now. When were you there and where?
[02:46] <nomnex> the golden age? 20 y. ago?
[02:47] <duanedesign> i am not quite that old. Maybe 15 years age :)
[02:48] <duanedesign> nomnex: if you ever have any support questions come by #ubuntu-beginners me and a bunch of others give help in there
[02:48] <nomnex> duanedesign, thanks I will do that. I take for granted that you visited Japan 15 y. ago and not that you are 15 ;-) see you
[02:49] <duanedesign> ha ha. have a good day
[02:49] <nomnex> thanks bye
[03:46] <wahben> Hi all! I've always had problems using Ubuntu One. some files wouldn't synch. But anyways, today I thought maybe a few updates had been done and it might be more stable. But now I cannot login to the web interface, I get the error message: OpenID failed     OpenID authentication failed: Nonce already used or out of range
[03:55] <kgs> That error has been occurring frequently.
[03:57] <wahben> hmm today only
[03:58] <wahben> never had it before
[03:58] <wahben> but i haven't used ubuntu one in weeks
[03:58] <wahben> ..or months maybe
[03:58] <wahben> oh i see
[03:58] <wahben> its a statement... not question
[03:58] <kgs> :-)
[03:58] <wahben> ok well thanks, at least i know that im not alone ! :-)
[03:59] <kgs> Yes.
[12:06] <princess_> A quick question: I am assiming I am stuck with an 'Ubuntu One' entry in my home folder - either sym link or folder - am I likely to be able to select another location in the near future?
[12:19] <duanedesign> princess_: you are looking to sync a folder other than the default?
[12:20] <princess_> Not really, I am looking for a way to have the default folder somewhere else
[12:23] <princess_> Say ~/Cloud/Ubuntu One, or ~/Shared/Ubuntu One
[12:23] <duanedesign> ahh isee
[12:26] <duanedesign> princess_: i am not sure. I have come across this guide when looking to share other folders.
[12:26] <duanedesign> http://ln-s.net/4s+5
[12:28] <duanedesign> princess_: it does appear that the link option works.
[12:28] <duanedesign> I moved the folder and created a link to it and it shows up when i select 'Open Folder' in the applet
[12:28] <duanedesign> princess_: now to see if it syncs :)
[12:35] <princess_> I can get it to synch another folder all right, but I need the link in my home folder for that. I was hoping to get rid of that, but it appears that there's no easy way. The shared folder seems like an odd thing to hardcode though
[15:02] <CardinalFang> (AFAIK, we're still meeting.)  Desktop+ MEETING BEGINS.  Say 'me' to claim a slice of the stand-up meeting, then take your turn by saying DONE/TODO/BLOCKED.
[15:03] <urbanape> doomed
[15:03] <urbanape> I mean, "me"
[15:03] <CardinalFang> The keys are so close together.
[15:03] <aquarius> me
[15:03] <CardinalFang> me
[15:03] <teknico> me
[15:04] <urbanape> you can't spell "doomed" without "me"
[15:05]  * CardinalFang grumbles at LP timeout errors.
[15:05] <urbanape> you also can't spell "timeout" without "me"
[15:06] <teknico> apres moi, le deluge?
[15:06] <dobey> me
[15:06] <teknico> hi, deluge! ;-)
[15:06] <dobey> o/~ doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom o/~
[15:07] <teknico> destiny tribal dance
[15:08] <urbanape> DONE: Submitted big, massive Bindwood branch for merge. Apologies all around. More work on subsequent client sync branch. (Q: How much Bindwood is too much Bindwood? A: THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH BINDWOOD!)
[15:08] <urbanape> TODO: Uh, I'm gonna go with "Bindwood", Pat.
[15:08] <urbanape> BLOCK: None.
[15:08] <urbanape> aquarius, I pass the torch on to you.
[15:08] <dobey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcn_TPu4qQ
[15:08] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: visual design review for music store; discussion with music provider
[15:08] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: have music library page send message to downloader daemon and row to database; write Ubuntu Developer Day talk; make tomboy first-sync experience nicer
[15:08] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[15:08] <aquarius> CardinalFang, go for it
[15:09] <CardinalFang> DONE: Face Duty.  Scanned logs and filed Bug#496046.  Patched desktopcouch and committed.  Patched server code to be more Py3 and avoid it altogether.  Nearly not-sick any more.
[15:09] <CardinalFang> TODO: Figure out how to add test for it.
[15:09] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: No.
[15:09] <CardinalFang> teknico, allons-y!
[15:09] <teknico> DONE: more phone sync planning with chipaca; helping vds get up to speed upon his return; some more debugging on the error from the dev openid server at first login (#510116);
[15:09] <teknico> TODO: testing funambol cared and funambol exchange deployment; fix a user's problems accessing the contacts web IU (#506584)
[15:09] <teknico> BLOCK: still cannot access the web interface due to an error from the dev openid server at first login (#510116, and also #510866)
[15:09] <teknico> next: dobey
[15:09] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Reviews, Worked on #510351 (enable bipedal oauth in server)
[15:09] <dobey> ☹ TODO: Fix some bugs I filed (#510351, #510353, #510348, #510355)
[15:09] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:13] <vds> sorry late
[15:13] <vds> me
[15:13] <vds> DONE: vacation, keeping up with mail and similar...
[15:13] <vds> TODO: propose last branch for sms configuration, take care of the deployment of funambol and funambol exchange.
[15:13] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[15:14] <CardinalFang> My bug is #511341, not #496046, fwiw.  "notes API HTTP-500, RecordDict has no attr has_key"
[15:17] <CardinalFang> teknico, can any of us help with your block?
[15:18] <teknico> CardinalFang, thanks, we're working on it with jdo and others
[15:18] <CardinalFang> Meeting ends.  Thanks, all.
[15:27] <CardinalFang> aquarius, thisfred, easy fix: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/recorddict_more_dictly/+merge/18004
[15:29] <thisfred> CardinalFang: easy approve too ;)
[15:36] <mandel> aquarius, ping
[15:36] <aquarius> mandel, pong
[15:37] <mandel> aquarius, since there is no other possible way, can I propose a merge to provide bulk delete? :P
[15:38] <mandel> aquarius, im talking about the bulk update
[15:40] <aquarius> mandel, yeah
[15:40] <aquarius> I don't like the way it is, but I am too stupid to think of anything else, and I don't want to hold you up.
[15:42] <mandel> aquarius, well, it is actually a hard thing to solve... nevertheless, if some has a better idea, it can be changed :D
[15:43] <aquarius> mandel, yeah. Python basically doesn't have a good concept of "some of this succeeded and the rest didn't", hence the stuff in twisted to do exactly that.
[15:46] <mandel> aquarius, I dont mind having a little dirty part in exchange of just using one request, that is why I also want to provide the bulk delete, it makes things nicer
[15:46] <mandel> regarding delete, I understand why a flag is kept, but should the attachments be kept too?
[15:47] <CardinalFang> Ooo, good question.
[15:47] <CardinalFang> Hrm, I think it shouldn't, mandel.
[15:49] <mandel> CardinalFang, I have that feeling too, seems like a waste of space and makes replication worse, right?
[16:07] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: ping
[16:08]  * rtgz is late,late,late o_o