[01:39] <dhillon-v10> HedgeMage: hi there :)
[01:39] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: hi :)
[01:42] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: have a look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/511790
[01:51] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: I want to go ahead and fix this one, so where can I find the sources
[05:53] <alkisg> !info ltsp-server lucid
[13:35] <dgroos> Good Morning
[13:36] <dgroos> I'm trying to make the 'auto-computer' group work in iTALC and don't seem to be able,  I'm using LTSP.  Any ideas?
[16:05] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: does anyone know specifically what art needs to be re-engerized?
[16:06] <Ahmuck> i assume the splash screen, and desktop background
[16:06] <Ahmuck> what others?
[16:07] <sbalneav> Those are the two that I know of.  I had also updated in my ppa the gartoon redux theme.
[16:07] <sbalneav> Icon theme, sorry.
[16:07] <sbalneav> I'm not sure if anyone other than me has looked at it or tested it.
[16:09]  * alkisg is doing `apt-get purge edubuntu-artwork` as the first command after an edubuntu installation 8-)
[16:10] <sbalneav> lol
[16:11] <sbalneav> Whoohoo!!!
[16:11] <sbalneav> LTSP is officially no longer the "package with the most bugs" in Edubuntu! :)
[16:11] <sbalneav> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[16:12] <alkisg> I'm sure that would happen eventually, even if LTSP had an increasing number of bugs...
[16:12] <alkisg> ...as pitiititiiitiiitiitvi is using an exp() function for a bug count :)
[16:13]  * alkisg wonders why pitivi is part of edubuntu, though...
[16:14] <highvoltage> alkisg: you missed an 'i' there
[16:14] <alkisg> heh
[16:14] <sbalneav> That is like, the worst name I've ever seen for a program.  I keep pronouncing it "Pee-TV", which makes me think it's a channel for toilet training babies.
[16:14] <highvoltage> Ahmuck: regarding the artwork, pretty much everything, it's still a bit unclear to me how and what exactly is to be used in lucid
[16:15] <sbalneav> alkisg: We used to have kino, which was the video editor.
[16:15]  * highvoltage pronounces is "pity-V"
[16:15] <highvoltage> americans say "pity-veye" which is kind of annoying
[16:15] <alkisg> sbalneav: well, we also need an office suite, but since ubuntu has openoffice, we don't need to support it in edubuntu
[16:16] <sbalneav> So, we're either toilet training babies, or feeling bad for a character in an Alan Moore comic novel :)
[16:16] <alkisg> sbalneav: so, I suggest that we leave pitivi to Ubuntu, and support gimp if we want ;)
[16:16] <sbalneav> Is pitivi shipped by default in regular Ubuntu?
[16:16] <highvoltage> alkisg: pitivi is in ubuntu default installation now?
[16:16] <ogra> its planned to
[16:16]  * sbalneav isn't sure.
[16:16] <alkisg> highvoltage: yes
[16:17] <highvoltage> alkisg: yes then I guess we can ubsubscribe from it and also include gimp like you said
[16:18]  * alkisg feels sorry that LTSP will again be the package with the most bugs in edubuntu :D
[16:19] <highvoltage> alkisg: you're the last person who should feel sorry :)
[16:20] <highvoltage> alkisg: changes made: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[16:21] <alkisg> Heh, 75 bugs for gimp!
[16:28] <highvoltage> yeah it brings our bug count that's been steadily coming down up again :)
[16:28] <highvoltage> I agree that gimp is probably a bit 'much' for the 'average' user
[16:29] <highvoltage> but I do think it has lots of potential and usefulness in an educational environment
[16:30]  * alkisg uses it in both 12-15 y.o. schools and 15-18 y.o...
[16:31] <alkisg> stgraber: about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/505787 - do you want it left open, as a reminder of the duplicate nbd-client process?
[16:32] <alkisg> The ldm segfaulting was fixed, but not the duplicate process problem...
[16:34] <stgraber> alkisg: well, I did a quick check yesterday, although we see nbd-client showing up twice (for nbd0, the nbd9 issue is fixed), it's normal as the second nbd-client is a child of the first
[16:35] <stgraber> alkisg: look with ps faux, it'd be a bug if the second isn't a child of the first
[16:35] <alkisg> Hmmm ok even though I don't understand why the bug was triggered now and not before...
[16:35] <alkisg> Ah, one of those is nbd-proxy?
[16:38] <stgraber> well, you should have nbd-proxy and nbd-client
[16:38] <stgraber> if you have two nbd-client, the second should be a child of the first
[16:38] <stgraber> otherwise, we have an issue
[16:38] <alkisg> OK, got it
[16:38] <alkisg> ty :)
[16:40] <sbalneav> If pitivi's upstream in ubuntu, I'd say yeah, drop it, add gimp.
[16:41] <alkisg> sbalneav: ehm too late, highvoltage already did it :)
[16:41] <sbalneav> ah, perfect.
[16:41] <sbalneav> We are shipping gimp, right?
[16:41] <alkisg> Yup
[16:42] <sbalneav> Hooray for gimp.
[16:42] <sbalneav> heh, clicked on the gimp error count:
[16:42] <sbalneav> Timeout error
[16:42] <sbalneav> Our edge server has a lower timeout threshold than launchpad.net, so we can catch those before they hit a wider audience. As a member of the Launchpad Beta Testers team, you're more likely to experience them. If this is blocking your work, you can disable redirection.
[16:43] <sbalneav> Disable redirection for 2 hours
[16:43] <sbalneav> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[16:43] <sbalneav> We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[16:43] <sbalneav> Trying again in a couple of minutes might work.
[16:43] <sbalneav> (Error ID: OOPS-1487EB655)
[16:43] <sbalneav> Gimp killed Launchpad
[17:02] <Ahmuck> highvoltage: what is everything?
[17:03] <Ahmuck> it's hard to start on artwork when one doesn't know the sizes
[17:13] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: Well, I think I indicated that no-one's had time to do the analysis, but if you wanted to take it on, that would be great.
[17:15] <highvoltage> Ahmuck: ok, that would be everything as in the opposite of nothing for now...
[17:15] <highvoltage> Ahmuck: I got a reply from Mads though for some wallpapers, going to post them to the list
[17:15] <highvoltage> Ahmuck: a wallpaper is probably the starting point since the rest of our artwork would be built around it
[17:15] <highvoltage> Ahmuck: so whatever we'll be using (plymouth/usplash/ldm/gdm/xsplash/etc) would need to be themed around that theme
[17:16] <ogra> someone of you should start getting familiar with plymouth ;)
[17:16] <ogra> (replaces usplash)
[17:17] <highvoltage> ogra: I've been meaning to but I don't like to reboot my machines and it doesn't work under virtualbox...
[17:17] <highvoltage> ogra: I'll use the CMPC ;)
[17:17] <ogra> heh
[17:24] <Ahmuck> what does ubuntu plan to put in place of gimp?
[17:25] <Ahmuck> dropping gimp may get them to change thier ui
[17:26] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: I beleive Ubuntu's thought is that the photo editing tools within F-Spot are sufficient for people.
[17:26] <sbalneav> We're still going to ship the gimp in Edubuntu.
[17:40] <highvoltage> that's correct, and gimp also takes a lot of space
[17:43] <Ahmuck> thanks.  so it looks like the artwork is covered by Mads for this release
[17:47] <highvoltage> Ahmuck: not necessarilly
[17:47] <highvoltage> Ahmuck: he submitted some work, others might too, we'll choose what's best by general consensus
[20:46] <joerg_> hey....
[20:47] <joerg_> can I somehow move blueprints?
[20:47] <joerg_> just founded a new project for the school portal thing
[20:49] <sbalneav> joerg_: Not sure.
[20:49] <sbalneav> Links to new and old?
[20:53] <joerg_> sbalneav, well....I wrote a blueprint and assigned it to ubuntu - you read it, didn't you? :)
[20:53] <joerg_> sbalneav, and now I founded the "MyServ" project....
[20:54] <sbalneav> joerg_: Yeah, there wasn't a wiki page set for it at the time I looked at it.
[20:54] <joerg_> sbalneav, no, why should there be one? :D
[20:55] <joerg_> sbalneav, everything is in the blueprint :P
[20:56] <joerg_> why can't launchpad provide subversion access? :P
[20:59] <sbalneav> joerg_: Launchpad uses bzr
[21:00] <sbalneav> The blueprint that I saw had very little in it, apart from the description
[21:00] <sbalneav> What's the link again?  I have it at home, but I'm at work ATM
[21:01] <joerg_> well, what else should be in it? :)
[21:01] <joerg_> I thought it is just there to describe an idea and build a network around that idea :)
[21:02] <sbalneav> Well, typically, you want to define a spec (specification) on the wiki as well.
[21:02] <sbalneav> Like this one:
[21:02] <joerg_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-portal-server
[21:03] <sbalneav> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Specifications/NewUserAdminTool
[21:06] <sbalneav> joerg_: You want to do a fairly big project there.  Take me for instance.  I'd be interested in helping out with LDAP, since I'm farily well versed in it, and helped write part of the pam-ldap module.  But where should I begin to help? :)
[21:07] <joerg_> sbalneav, it is not as big as it looks :P
[21:07] <joerg_> sbalneav, first of all thanks.....I am quite sure I will need you.
[21:08] <joerg_> sbalneav, look at the great webbased tools we already have....like roundcube webmail. the only thing you need to do is integrate it in an iframe.
[21:08] <joerg_> sbalneav, and configure the single sign on stuff ;)
[21:09] <joerg_> sbalneav, it is not much then bundle the things we already have and wrap some template around it with a changeable design and a navigation bar :)
[21:10] <joerg_> sbalneav, the pinax guys have a lot of reusable apps ready to be used (we just need to make some templates) - e.g. for integrating blogs, wikis etc.
[21:11] <joerg_> sbalneav, concering the auth thing....what do u think about LDAP + CAS?
[21:12] <joerg_> sbalneav, CAS seems to be the only single sign on system for webapps that has a pam module as well.
[21:12] <sbalneav> I've not heard about CAS, not sure what it is.
[21:12]  * sbalneav looks
[21:13] <sbalneav> this what you're talking about?
[21:13] <sbalneav> http://www.jasig.org/cas
[21:13] <joerg_> sbalneav, which can be very handy - imagine you have such a portal, if you use direct LDAP auth, you'd have to enter your password for the portal and then for e.g. roundcube webmail again. using CAS, you'd be authenticated by the CAS server which gives a ticket to the portal and to roundcube. roundcube then uses the ticket to get access to the imap server.
[21:13] <joerg_> sbalneav, yes
[21:14] <sbalneav> Why not use Kerberos?
[21:14] <sbalneav> http://modauthkerb.sourceforge.net/
[21:16] <joerg_> mhhm....
[21:17] <joerg_> sbalneav, how would that work then? in a web based environment?
[21:18] <joerg_> sbalneav, I haven't really thought about krb, as CAS seemed to be so easy and nice....providing an own little webserver taking care of the auth and even providing users with an openid that they could easily use to sign in at google or wherever.
[21:19] <Lns> eww, java :)
[21:19] <joerg_> sbalneav, my former university uses it as a single sign on solution for heaps of stuff, squirrelmail, moodle etc.
[21:19] <sbalneav> Well, with kerberos, when they sign on at the workstation, then they'd have a ticket to everything on the network.
[21:20] <sbalneav> joerg_: I'm not saying you couldn't use CAS.  I'm just not familiar with it myself.
[21:20] <joerg_> sbalneav, that's nice but they certainly don't sign on that way :)
[21:20] <joerg_> sbalneav, because students are sitting at home using daddy's computer :)
[21:21] <sbalneav> So, this isn't geared towards a lab environment then?
[21:21] <joerg_> sbalneav, I didn't say I am not able to change my mind and use krb :P
[21:23] <joerg_> sbalneav, this is geared towards a public web solution that works the same way at home as it does in the class room.
[21:23] <sbalneav> ok, gotcha
[21:23] <joerg_> as far as my experience is, students and especially (!) teachers need to have easy structures - and they are very confused if sign on in the class room works differently than at home :)
[21:25] <joerg_> sbalneav, it depends on the school - but a lot of them don't sign on their workstations to anything at all :)
[21:26] <joerg_> sbalneav, high schools are using it a bit more - like my old school, they sign on and mount samba shares (home and group dirs) from a linux server....but mostly they just use a web gui to upload files because they are lazy :)
[21:28] <joerg_> sbalneav, I just wonder: couldn't a solution offer kerberos and cas? or wouldn't that make sense? those who have workstation sign on I mean.
[21:29] <sbalneav> I'm sure it could, with enough code :)
[21:30] <joerg_> sbalneav, ok, then let's write it on some agenda and forget it for now :)
[21:31] <joerg_> sbalneav, btw. how would windoze workstations authenticate if they needed to? using LDAP I mean?
[21:31] <joerg_> with some samba domain controller?
[21:33] <joerg_> what they do now is: they install pGina (www.pgina.org) and authenticate against IMAPS :)
[21:34] <joerg_> quick and dirty ;)
[21:38] <Ahmuck> LDAP/AD
[21:38] <Ahmuck> mechinism i would suppose
[21:38] <joerg_> samba?
[21:39] <Ahmuck> nm, i've not backread
[21:39] <sbalneav> AD would be the way.
[21:39] <joerg_> AD is LDAP isn't it? :)
[21:40] <joerg_> ldap + krb or whatever :)
[21:40] <sbalneav> ldap + krb + some local Microsoft additions.
[21:40] <sbalneav> It's the last part of the equation that causes the difficulties :)
[21:40] <joerg_> well....and what daemons need to run on the linux server? slapd + krb? :P
[21:43] <alkisg> Are you talking about samba as a PDC?
[21:44] <joerg_> alkisg, no
[21:45] <joerg_> I am talking about how to authenticate a windows machine to a linux server running ldap
[21:45] <joerg_> with the minimum possible effort :)
[21:45] <alkisg> Where's its home directory?
[21:45] <alkisg> *his
[21:46] <joerg_> don't know yet :P
[21:46] <alkisg> If it's on the linux server, the home would be shared by samba
[21:46] <alkisg> And samba can use ldap as a backend
[21:46] <joerg_> true
[21:47] <alkisg> The workstations could also join the domain
[21:47] <joerg_> which only makes more work for the admin :P
[21:48] <alkisg> pgina has been dead upstream for some years afaik
[21:48] <joerg_> well, thats the problem, yes.
[21:48] <joerg_> the thing is....we had the samba stuff running and nobody was using it
[21:48] <joerg_> auth using pgina against the imap server
[21:49] <joerg_> mounting home dirs from the samba server of course
[21:49] <joerg_> but not really joining the domain etc.
[21:49] <joerg_> our admins install and configure one machine and then clone the partition to 30 other machines.
[21:50] <joerg_> which doesn't work with the domain joining stuff ;)
[21:50] <alkisg> Cloning windows boxes without sysprep has its problems as well
[21:50] <alkisg> Common CID/SID making network browsing problematic
[21:51] <Ahmuck> clonezilla
[21:52] <Ahmuck> sysprep & clonezilla
[21:53] <joerg_> we never had any problems with that ;)
[21:53] <joerg_> maybe because they change the hostname after cloning the machines?
[21:53] <joerg_> oh well, and our machines don't act as netbios servers....
[21:54] <joerg_> so they are not visible in some network neighborhoud
[21:54] <joerg_> they don't have anything to share :)
[21:56] <Ahmuck> you can change the hostname prior iirc, provided you have a naming scheme ?
[21:56] <Ahmuck> ah, netbios :)
[22:00] <joerg_> well, I am not doing the client stuff
[22:01] <joerg_> it is up to them
[22:01] <joerg_> I just know that they don't like the domain joining stuff
[22:01] <joerg_> and they are right. what advantage does it give the machine if it is in the domain?
[22:02] <joerg_> I'd personally love to get rid of samba completely
[22:02] <joerg_> windows can mount webdav directories.....so why not exporting their home directories via webdav?
[22:02] <joerg_> would have the big advantage that they can do that at home as well, which wouldn't work with samba.
[22:11] <joerg_> sbalneav, concerning the newusertool: would be exactly what we need.....but we'd need to have it web based.... :-/
[22:13] <sbalneav> Well, I'm not going to write a web based one, since you really DONT want a web based tool to add users.
[22:14] <sbalneav> Too much potential for problems.
[22:21] <sbalneav> Back on tonight.
[22:22] <joerg_> mhhm
[22:23] <joerg_> sbalneav, what problems do you see?
[22:23] <joerg_> and how should teachers add users?
[22:23] <joerg_> logon to the server using ltsp?
[22:23] <joerg_> they will kill me if it gets that complicated
[22:24] <joerg_> apart from that most portals allow people to register and create an account themselves :P
[22:25] <joerg_> who cares if they use a web gui or some other ldap client so create users? they enter their ldap credentials and can create users. or not :P
[22:32] <Lns> ideally you should be able to *choose* what you use to create users... kind of the *nix tradition
[22:48] <tyoc213> Hi there, I have read that I can get help for installing LTSP, so my question is, Im on ubuntu 9.10 and have executed sudo ltsp-build-client --mount-package-cache  and I get this error http://pastebin.com/d431fc5de
[22:49] <joerg_> Lns, yes, true....but as I am trying to make a complete web based all in one portal for all tasks the schools need....wouldn't it make sense to include that user manager as well?
[22:50] <joerg_> if people don't want it, they deactivate the module and do it their way....
[22:50] <joerg_> but developing some web stuff that doesn't provide a way to manage the users is somehow incomplete I think ;)
[23:40] <Lns> tyoc213, might wanna try #ltsp
[23:41] <Lns> joerg, I agree
[23:41] <Lns> I'll love to see your developments :)