[00:02] <BluesKaj> hmm, sounds like the one I have
[01:22] <danbhfive> anyone know anything about nvidia driver not being installable?
[01:25] <yofel> danbhfive: bug 506618 ?
[01:25] <danbhfive> might be
[01:27] <danbhfive> yeah, that's it
[01:27] <danbhfive> thanks!
[01:27] <yofel> danbhfive: see the instructions here to install the driver anyway https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview#Known%20issues
[02:06] <mazda01> having sound issues with lucid where it worked out of the box for karmic. i have a Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT1708/A [Azalia HDAC] (VIA High Definition Audio Controller) per lspci
[02:06] <mazda01> meaning, i have no sound
[03:06] <un214> ok who thinks it's a bad idea to upgrade already?
[03:07] <un214> really? nobody?
[03:08] <crimsun> well, you're going to hit /something/
[03:08] <mazda01> nope, whatever the problem may be, it won't be show stopping most likely. go for it! or just run it from a usb stick on the same hardware like I am to test it out
[03:09] <crimsun> mazda01: where's your alsa-info.sh output?
[03:09] <mazda01> crimsun, and where am i suppose to know to do that?
[03:09] <un214> just so long as it boots rescue I know how to back out
[03:10] <un214> I've been wanting an X server that doesn't use HAL for awhile
[03:12] <crimsun> mazda01: the DebuggingSoundProblems wiki page? Of course you can also use ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[03:12] <danbhfive> is anyone else having a problem with dkms and installing a kernel?
[03:13] <mazda01> crimsun, here ya go: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=305c7512612fcdc9c41469548c326f452f3f9ac9
[03:14] <crimsun> why are you still using snd-hda-intel: probe_mask=1
[03:15] <mazda01> crimsun, i added that because I thought it may help, but after restarting pulseaudio i still have no sound. i can remove it if you think it would help
[03:15] <mazda01> crimsun, didn't work before i had that there either though
[03:15] <crimsun> remove it, reboot
[03:16] <mazda01> crimsun, my system is completely stock, installed yesterday with no change besides adding applications BUT sound didn't work from the get go
[03:16] <mazda01> crimsun, that wouldn
[03:16] <mazda01> t make a difference as I have stated that i have had no sound from the begining
[03:16] <crimsun> yes, it does make a difference
[03:16] <crimsun> when you pass a probe mask, it alters the codec init order
[03:17] <crimsun> I don't really care if you don't have audible sound right away; I do care that your codec dump is from a pristine boot.
[03:17] <mazda01> crimsun, im telling you, the sound didn't work before I added that and I haven't rebooted even after adding that.  i'll do  it just to satisfy your curiosity though
[03:17] <mazda01> crimsun, understood
[03:17] <mazda01> crimsun, be right back
[03:28] <mazda01> im back, here's the new file.http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=1d35f9a84ca862eb637a74c018951096b8ccbe0c   also, NOW my sound card is actually appearing within the preferences of sound. where as before it wasn't.
[03:29] <mazda01> u know what though, last time i booted up, i went and did the system test right away. i wonder if that mde my sound card not work?
[03:29] <crimsun> Master, Front, Center, LFE, Surround, Side are all muted
[03:31] <crimsun> e.g., use alsamixer to unmute them ('m')
[03:31] <mazda01> crimsun, sorry about that, i unmuted it and now it works. i don't know what was up with that. previous to me re-booting, there was no hardware within the sound dialog box. WEIRD!!! here is the system test report if you can use it. file:///home/ubuntu/.cache/checkbox/submission.xml
[03:32] <crimsun> I don't think I can reach through the intarwebs and pull that file from your home directory ;)
[03:33] <mazda01> crimsun, ha, i didn't even realize that it was my home directory.
[03:35] <mazda01> crimsun, here ya go if they can help, http://pastebin.com/f20f6ecb1
[03:35] <mazda01>     although i feel like a fool. i swear the sound didnt work and it had nothing to do with mute because before coming on the channel i ran alsamixer and everything, there was no hardware listed within sound preferences. i have been using ubuntu since breezy
[03:49] <mazda01> crimsun, HA, i knew it. the sound stopped working!!! it must be due to the system test, running a audio test makes it stop working. what can i provide you know to show it doesn't work?
[03:49] <mazda01> crimsun, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a58a265cbbd25d7be9580f2d13d4330c199cbc83
[03:50] <mazda01> crimsun, if i hold the cursor over the speaker, it says, 85% output -4.3 dB and Dummy Output
[03:57] <mazda01> crimsun, here are some piccs of sound preferences dialog. http://img686.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshothfq.png, http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1wn.png
[04:11] <\vish> hmm... is libsdl1.2debian-alsa being replaced by libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio?
[04:16] <\vish> updates ask to remove the -alsa , or is it just broken dependencies?
[04:36] <crimsun> \vish: using Ubuntu?
[04:37] <crimsun> \vish: If so, it's intentional. I seeded that change.
[04:38] <crimsun> mazda01: unfortunately that second alsa-info.sh doesn't tell me anything. You should get me a verbose log (wiki/PulseAudio/Log).
[04:38] <crimsun> mazda01: note that a "dummy output" for PA is used when some other app has monopolized the sound device.
[04:44] <\vish> crimsun: yeah , ubuntu.. thankx
[04:44]  * \vish updates
[04:47] <un214> gak lucid installed some kind of X console by default
[04:48] <un214> how do I set this back to a real text console?
[04:54] <un214> ok that wasn't quite it
[04:54] <un214> something happened to the console graphics mode
[04:55] <un214> whatever mode it's using has incorrect hsync for my hardware
[05:03] <un214> that does it
[05:03] <un214> every single vga= value is wrong
[05:04] <un214> do I have to compile my own kernel just to get this stupid setting right?
[05:05] <un214> I know, i must sound like raving lunatic here but I spend most of my time at the console and the right edge is cut off
[05:06] <Sarvatt> un214: it's called KMS, your text console is at your monitors native resolution
[05:06] <un214> yeah and it's broke
[05:06] <Sarvatt> if you want an old ugly console like before you can boot with video=VGA-1:640x480 (replacing VGA-1 with what you use if its different)
[05:08] <Sarvatt> i dont know if you're using intel or ati because they both have KMS but you can boot with i915.modeset=0 or radeon.modeset=0 for now depending on which you use to not use KMS also
[05:09] <Sarvatt> are you sure its broken, and not just your monitors settings being wrong?
[05:09] <un214> well since X has no problem ...
[05:10] <un214> all right let's see what VGA-1 does
[05:10] <Sarvatt> is it a crt or lcd? possible you have gnome switching to a different refresh rate after it starts
[05:15] <un214> Sarvatt: sorry, didn't work
[05:17] <Sarvatt> xrandr say you're using vga-1?
[05:18] <un214> how should I know?
[05:28] <un214> what's it take to break KMS
[05:28] <un214> it wants a different monitor alignment than X does.
[05:28] <un214> very sorry, but it's gotta go
[05:33] <un214> sigh, looks like I'm compiling a kernel after all
[05:39] <bjsnider> you're compiling a kernel because you don't like kernel mode setting?
[05:46] <un214> that's right bjsnider
[05:47] <un214> I can't find a way to turn the setting off so out that component goes
[05:48] <un214> I went and booted previous kernel to get a usable console back
[05:49] <un214> why the heck is tex part of build-dep for kernel?!?
[06:01] <un214> ugh can't find KMS in the .config file either
[06:07] <un214> nice one cannot turn off framebuffer console because somebody depends on it
[06:08] <un214> anybody know a faster way to get rid of kms?
[06:28] <DanaG> E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!
[06:28] <DanaG> E: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[06:28] <DanaG> E: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail.
[07:11] <Q-FUNK> hm.. this firefox 3.6 succesfully launched exactly once
[07:11] <Q-FUNK> now, it refuses to restart.
[07:28] <alkisg> If a newer package was uploaded in Lucid 1 hour ago, how long does it usually take to reach the mirrors? Hours? Days?
[07:29] <alkisg> Whoops never mind it just got here :)
[07:37] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-gbrainy.png
[07:38] <DanaG> somebody wasn't very "brainy" when creating that layout.
[07:39] <IdleOne> that is ugly
[07:39] <IdleOne> heh
[08:44] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[08:47] <ideasman42> Hi there, Im `an upstream` and being requested to license every file in my project before distrobution, what does this mean for binary files?
[08:54] <ripps> ideasman42: that's probably a better question for #ubuntu-motu, but as far as I understand it, we're legally not allowed to redistribute your software unless it's published under gpl, cc, bsd, etc. By licesning it as such, you've given us permission to package it for debian/ubuntu without you coming to sue for theft later down the road.
[09:12] <ideasman42> ripps, its totally GPL/Creative commons
[09:12] <ideasman42> but I wasnt sure how to lisence 3D models
[09:12] <ideasman42> As in practically how to include the license
[09:14] <ripps> ideasman42: *shrugs* I wouldn't know, I think most packages just but a COPYING file in the root directory of source that states what the license of the entire source is, just to be safe. Once again, probably a better question for the MOTU's
[09:15] <ideasman42> thanks, Ill ask in that room
[11:15] <duffydack> oo, firefox 3.6 installed
[11:26] <ripps> Hmmm.... It seems that I still have HAL installed, wasn't that supposed to be removed by now? Should I just remove it?
[11:52] <yofel> ripps: I don't know about ubuntu, but at least kubuntu still needs it
[12:02] <vish> ripps: it was brought back in.. [some process depended on it] i forgot :s
[12:28] <mazda01> crimsun, well, how can unmonopolize the sound card. im telling you, it's that "system testing" within the system, admin menu
[13:02] <Q-FUNK> any suggestion for Bug #512673 ?
[13:03] <yofel> Q-FUNK: can you run 'firefox' from a terminal and see what you get?
[13:03] <Q-FUNK> yofel: I get nothing.  no stderr output whatsoever.
[13:03] <yofel> o.O
[13:04] <Q-FUNK> it just exists immediately
[13:04] <Q-FUNK> exits
[13:05] <yofel> not sure, maybe ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[13:05] <Q-FUNK> ah, we have such a channel?
[13:05] <yofel> yep ;)
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> how's the nvidia driver for lucid working out?
[13:11] <yofel> Ian_Corne: works fine, but jockey still isn't fixed afaik
[13:19] <test1122> !test
[13:26] <ripps> Q-FUNK: if i recall, alot of the problems with firefox-3.6 has to do with it's apparmor profile
[13:32] <Q-FUNK> ah, that could be worth testing. let's purge apparmor for a test.
[13:33] <Q-FUNK> ripps: nope.  still ain't it.
[13:35] <ripps> Q-FUNK: apparmor is a kernel module, you can't just purge it. Doesn't the #ubuntu-mozilla say to install firefox-3.6 from ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable in it's topic?
[13:36] <Q-FUNK> ripps: that package has entered lucid toda
[13:38] <Q-FUNK> brb
[13:43] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[13:43] <Italian_Plumber> Hello.  The installation CD asks me what packages I want to install (Lamp, DNS, etc)... does it get those packages from the CD or from the web?
[13:43] <Q-FUNK> re
[13:43] <Q-FUNK> purging all apparmor packages and rebooting still doesn't fix it.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Italian_Plumber, depends on your choice of applications and which live cd , some apps may be on the others will be downloaded ,
[13:45] <BluesKaj> on the cd
[13:45] <BluesKaj> BBL
[13:48] <Italian_Plumber> That's what I thought.  Thanks!
[13:49] <Italian_Plumber> I wanted to make sure that I switched over to my local apt-cacher before installing or updating.
[13:50] <yofel> Q-FUNK: there's usually no need to purge apparmor, just 'sudo service apparmor stop' ...
[13:50] <yofel> Q-FUNK: also, the firefox apparmor profile belongs to the firefox package, not apparmor
[13:51] <Q-FUNK> right, so it would have been updated prior to upload
[13:53] <Q-FUNK> actually, the reason why "firefox" won't report anything is because it's a shell script, plus it doesn't have -e set
[13:53] <Q-FUNK> directly launching /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin reports this, though:
[13:54] <Q-FUNK> usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:14] <Italian_Plumber> Is this normal?  http://pastebin.com/m6442658b  what's with all the "none"s?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Italian_Plumber, http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/posix/df
[14:28] <BluesKaj>  I'm getting a bit fed up with dirs dying unexpectedly
[14:28] <pif> hi, how do I install a firefox language pack? I now have 3.6 with an incompatible language pack
[14:28] <Q-FUNK> yofel: ah. launching firefox with -safe-mode works, so I'm guessing that some extension or non-default setting is the culprit but which one?
[14:30] <Q-FUNK> pif: I'm guessing that updated language packs will be uploaded soon.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> firefox is becoming a problem for some , I think mozilla is rushing the newer versions out the door too quickly
[14:30] <pif> aha, ok, what are their names? I can't find them for 3.5
[14:31] <Q-FUNK> BluesKaj: I hope that LTS+1 would dump firefox in favor of chromium.
[14:32] <Q-FUNK> pif: they are a part of the normal language packs.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Q-FUNK, I'm using chrome-beta for linux , chromium seems differnt and clunkier , altho I can't understand wgy
[14:32] <BluesKaj> why
[14:33] <pif> Q-FUNK: ok
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Q-FUNK, altho they look exactly alike :)
[14:34] <Q-FUNK> BluesKaj: here, I have chrome-beta on debian and the daily PPA chromium builds on lucid.  works nicely.
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Q-FUNK, good to hear
[14:36] <Q-FUNK> I think that the sooner we get debian's help to sort out the copyright and authorship of everything that's bundled with chromium source, the better this can become group maintained an turned into something really solid.
[14:44]  * yofel uses chromium when he needs to use websites that don't respect the system color sheme *-.-
[14:44] <yofel> having black text in a black input box is... not very useful
[14:46] <yofel> chromium doesn't apply any system colors at all
[14:48] <Italian_Plumber> you're so nice.  "it's..... not very useful" :)
[14:58] <BluesKaj> yofel, ff wasn't rendering some pages correctly , whereas chrome and konqueror do a bit better , not always and they've made konq so complicated to setup as a browser that it's not worth the trouble anymore
[14:59] <yofel> heh, well I use firefox most of the time, dropped konqueror long ago, but chromium is pretty nice
[15:20] <switchgirl> where can i d/l the latest version of the lts?
[15:20] <switchgirl> *lucid lynx
[15:22] <FiremanEd> check the topic
[15:23] <bjsnider> !daily-live
[15:23] <yofel> FiremanEd: please read that page (especially the known issues page)
[15:23] <bjsnider> !daily
[15:24] <yofel> FiremanEd: and you might want to try a daily image too like bjsnider indicates ;)
[15:24] <Italian_Plumber> Like that lucid server now tells you when a system restart is required. :)
[15:24] <FiremanEd> Already on Lucid, pardon the fragmented text on channel
[15:30] <Italian_Plumber> Is this something you would do: put together a lucid box now, with plans to update after April 29th and start using that box as a production machine?
[15:33] <yofel> FiremanEd: sry, I was busy following a few channels and got the wrong person in the end -.-
[15:33] <FiremanEd> yofel: no worries
[15:33] <yofel> Italian_Plumber: well, I would only install lucid now if you actually plan to help on testing, if you want don't then it's better to at least wait for beta
[15:34] <yofel> I usually use my lucid desktop as the primary desktop and have backups and a second pc if something goes wrong
[15:34] <Italian_Plumber> I should have added "as a server"
[15:36] <yofel> hm...........
[15:37] <yofel> If you really like bleeding edge, then do it, I have lucid running on my home-network server, but I strongly recommend daily backups in this case
[15:37] <yofel> so you can just revert any updates
[15:38] <Italian_Plumber> I guess I'm more concerned if that would be a good setup after the machine goes into production.  If something goes wrong before then, I won't cry. :)
[15:38] <FiremanEd> keyword is Bleeding Edge.  Expect things to be broken here and there
[15:38] <Italian_Plumber> yeah, good point.
[15:43] <dholbach> Day 2 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in #ubuntu-classroom (on irc.freenode.net) in 17 minutes!
[15:57] <switchgirl> the sourcefile is corrupted on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-2/lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[15:58] <yofel> switchgirl: really? lemme test
[15:59] <bjsnider> if true, let them know in the motu channel
[16:00] <Italian_Plumber> I downloaded the torrent yesterday with no problems.
[16:39] <om26er> !test
[16:46] <yofel> !ping
[17:29] <mileslane> Can anyone here answer questions about problems with Grub2?
[17:30] <mileslane> I installed Wubi 9.10 and then upgraded to Lucid.  I find that the new Lucid kernel won't boot and neither will my custom kernel builds.
[17:31] <yofel> mileslane: did you try to disable 'splash' on boot? Plymouth does seem to cause an unbootable system sometimes
[17:34] <mileslane> yofel:  Yes, I did try this.  My attempts to boot a custom kernel fail with a message saying that the kernel must be loaded first.
[17:34] <yofel> o.O
[17:36] <mileslane> yofel:  My attempts to boot the latest Lucid kernel fails differently.  IIRC, the message indicates a problem mounting the root filesystem (loopmounted from an NTFS partition)
[17:40] <yofel> well, I don't think I can help you, I don't know anything about WUBI, and I've never seen that error
[17:40] <onetinsoldier> hi all
[17:40] <mileslane> yofel:  Thanks.
[17:42] <onetinsoldier> can anyone who has upgraded to the latest tell me if firefox 3.6 is working ok in lucid? safe to go ahead and upgrade? if no one knows, i'll find just upgrade and find out. i was just curious before i go ahead ;-)
[17:43] <CosmiChaos> well i never saw firefox broke for me and i tried since karmic various alphas betas and now 3.6, i see no point
[17:43] <CosmiChaos> onetinsoldier, remember always to backup your person data especially when upgrading to a alpha/beta
[17:44] <onetinsoldier> CosmiChaos: roger. so, you haven't had a working firefox 3.6 yet?
[17:44] <CosmiChaos> onetinsoldier, well no but i really use chromium-browser for daily things
[17:44] <onetinsoldier> CosmiChaos: oh yes. i know about running debian 'sid' type beta OS
[17:45] <CosmiChaos> i just have it right there sometimes checking if chromium-daily broke :D
[17:45] <onetinsoldier> CosmiChaos: ok, roger. thanks :-)
[17:45] <onetinsoldier> well, here goes
[17:45] <CosmiChaos> onetinsoldier, this is not ubuntu nor linux relatet, always backup productive data when testing out new developement software
[17:45] <CosmiChaos> thats the point
[17:46] <onetinsoldier> no doubt. and, i do!
[17:46] <onetinsoldier> it's like someone said the other day. data that has not been backed is not important data
[17:47] <onetinsoldier> in other words, if it had been important data, then it would already be backed up
[17:47] <CosmiChaos> you most likely fit it when sepratiing a /home partition
[17:47] <CosmiChaos> ;)
[17:47] <onetinsoldier> it you lose data, it must not have been that important ;-)
[17:48] <CosmiChaos> see it other way around: backup is for people that freightens the loss of their data
[17:48] <CosmiChaos> if you dont fear downloaded bs sure you need no backup :D
[17:48] <DanaG> Better way to word things: For important data, always make sure it exists in at least two dfiferent, physically independent places.
[17:49] <CosmiChaos> DanaG, well you can dig the pc into a bunker too in case bombs will be dropped xD
[17:49] <acicula> what does UBUNTU: SAUCE stand for in the kernel git messages
[17:49] <DanaG> Ubuntu's "secret sauce" -- their tweaks to the kernel.
[17:50] <CosmiChaos> its ubuntus' sauce :)
[17:50] <onetinsoldier> a saucy and sassy kernel? heck, i don't know
[17:50] <acicula> is the SAUCE maintained separate from the upstream fixes , cant really tell from looking at the git page
[17:51] <onetinsoldier> what DanaG said. i know they add a couple things in the lucid kernel, suach as some filesystem called 'aufs' i think it was.... then a SELinux measure called 'apparmor'
[17:51] <onetinsoldier> such*
[17:52] <CosmiChaos> i need to know sauce for what?
[17:52] <acicula> CosmiChaos: u dont , unless you are poking around the kernel git tree
[17:53] <CosmiChaos> i just read the kernel daily digest, thats enough for some years :)
[17:54] <CosmiChaos> in fact i break my head at most of the very first sign that the replys start with, but well :)
[17:54] <DanaG> when'll ubuntu get 2.6.33?
[17:54] <CosmiChaos> wasnt it at no time?
[17:54] <Pici> I don't think we will
[17:54] <onetinsoldier> i'm willing to guess that lucid won't get it
[17:55] <DanaG> Even if it's PPA, that's fine.
[17:55] <DanaG> But... the ubuntu mainline builds donkernel
[17:55] <DanaG> er
[17:55] <DanaG> the ubuntu mainline builds don't have Staging drivers enabled.
[17:57] <CosmiChaos> 10.10 will likely dont get it but 2.6.34, comparing the next release feature freeze date with the possible kernel release window
[17:58] <CosmiChaos> but if 2.6.33/34 turn out to take much more time, you may have the same procedure than this release
[17:58] <acicula> so how is the ubuntu kernel tree synced with the maintained vanilla version if at all
[18:00] <CosmiChaos> DanaG, but you can always try compiling latest kernel on your own
[18:28] <simba_> are there a place where i can find the changes made day to day for lucid?
[18:29] <Pici> simba_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lucid-changes
[18:30] <simba_> Pici, thank you
[18:30] <onetinsoldier> you could also install 'apt-listchanges'
[18:30] <onetinsoldier> if you have lucid installed that is ;-)
[18:33] <Pici> apt-listchanges is a must-have for testing imo. Also for any LTS or server isntall.
[18:34] <simba_> onetinsoldier, will do that to..just reinstalled, and is only offered a partial update now...
[18:34] <onetinsoldier> simba_: roger. cheers and good luck :-)
[18:34] <tsimpson> you can also see the changelog of a package with "aptitude changelog <package>"
[18:35] <onetinsoldier> nice tsimpson
[18:37] <h0rnman> good morning everyone
[18:38] <simba_> morning,
[18:38] <onetinsoldier> hello there
[18:40] <simba_> tsimpson,  hmm aptitude changelog might not work if you only have partial upgrade avail, it seems.
[18:40] <h0rnman> a question for those who know more than me....in Lucid, which configuration file controls the execution of rc.<whatever> scripts?  More clearly, perhaps, which file controls runlevel changes.  in Debian, i believe it is /etc/inittab, but I do not see an equivalent in Ubuntu
[18:41] <tsimpson> simba_: it should go off whatever sources/versions apt sees
[18:42] <simba_> tsimpson, yes, it triet to fetch the file but i guess it is not updated to the mirror i use yet.
[18:42] <tsimpson> it's hard-coded to use changelogs.ubuntu.com
[18:44] <onetinsoldier> h0rnman: i don't know. you might need to look at a package named 'upstart'
[18:44] <simba_> tsimpson, yea i didnt notice "E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-control-center/gnome-control-center_2.29.6-0ubuntu1/changelog"
[18:44] <Pici> !upstart | h0rnman more info here
[18:44] <onetinsoldier> thanks Pici
[18:45] <h0rnman> ah...excellent....thank you
[19:31] <komputes> What has happened to /proc/bus/usb/ in Lucid? I am trying to mount usb as defined here (instructions for karmic): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB
[19:40] <genii> komputes: "Note: Only the non-free version has USB support at present."     So you're using the commercial paid VBox version then?
[19:59] <komputes> genii: PLUE, it's free, just not GPL friendly
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Don't have to use paid version, but usb in version 3. plus is installed automatically now, you don't have to do anything special to mount it
[20:04] <charlie-tca> komputes: you got virtual box to install in lucid?
[20:05] <komputes> charlie-tca: yeah, that was never an issue for me
[20:05] <charlie-tca> I couldn't get it to work yet, a couple of days ago
[20:05] <komputes> charlie-tca: from the web site or from the repositories? PLUE or OSE?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> website
[20:06] <charlie-tca> I gave up on OSE, it is too limited for what I need
[20:06] <komputes> charlie-tca: what error/issue did you get/have?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> kernel was wrong
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I will have to try it again. Are you installing the karmic version in lucid?
[20:08] <arand> Soo, yahoo as the default search engine in FF Lucid, how nice..
[20:09] <myrradin> why not bing?
[20:10] <arand> One step at the time, I guess.
[20:11] <arand> Boiled frog idea you know.
[20:11] <myrradin> no, i dont.  what do you mean.
[20:13] <arand> Drop a frog in boiling water and it will jump out and survive, drop the frog in slowly heated water and it will boild to death.
[20:15] <simba_> i tried bing when i was running w7, i ended up typing google in the bing search.
[20:15] <myrradin> so you're saying we're going to boil google to death?
[20:18] <arand> myrradin: We're the frogs, right? If they switched to Bing and got paid by MS I figure quite a lot of people would simply jump ship, yahoo is a conveniently small step that people might complain like crazy, but still stick with it for the time being.
[20:19] <arand> I hope honestly it is a bad joke, alas, april is far away..
[20:19] <myrradin> oh is this part of the firefox foundation recommending everyone use bing
[20:22] <arand> Nah, recent post on the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-January/030065.html
[20:22] <arand> "Canonical has negotiated a revenue
[20:22] <arand> sharing deal with Yahoo!"
[20:23] <myrradin> if it makes canonical some money , great !
[20:23] <myrradin> if they magically fix iwlwifi and intel, wonderful !
[20:24] <arand> Maybe, but I still don't think it's a good decision..
[20:26] <arand> Yahoo is a horrible page and will make ubu look bad.. I guess they might do something cleaner with the startpage, but still, every single search...
[20:27] <myrradin> that's ok.  one day yahoo will be a meta redirect to Bing
[20:29] <arand> Hmm, I guess so, *sigh*
[20:32] <xguru> anyone else's firefox break with today's updates?
[20:34] <simba_> xguru, update-manager refuse to upgrade firefox here...
[20:35] <IdleOne> I say we blame yahoo
[20:35] <xguru> http://pastebin.com/d571fca4d
[20:36] <onetinsoldier> xguru: my upgrade went fine. i'll look at your pastebin here in a moment
[20:36] <robin0800> xguru: works here too
[20:36] <xguru> when i launch it with the desktop launcher it crashes, it crashes in terminal, then alt+f2 gksu firefox ....that works fine
[20:37] <onetinsoldier> xguru: i don't know what 'libmoonloaderxpi' is yet, but i don't have that installed...
[20:37] <xguru> onetinsoldier: its a linux version of silverlight
[20:39] <onetinsoldier> ok, i'm not fmailiar with that either. but perhaps you could enlighten me. i noticed that a search for 'loaderxpi' doesn't come with anything. is this a piece of third party software?
[20:40] <robin0800> xguru: perhaps libmoonloaderxpi is not compatible with version 3.6
[20:41] <xguru> onetinsoldier: its a plugin from novell that allows me to listen to music from websites....thats about all i know
[20:41] <xguru> robin0800: i can't find it being installed in synaptic
[20:42] <onetinsoldier> xguru: roger. cool
[20:42] <simba_> moonlight-plugin-mozilla?
[20:43] <simba_> think that was the linux version of silverlight
[20:43] <xguru> simba_: I know i had it installed prior to the update, but it shows not installed in synaptic
[20:44] <xguru> anyhow i still dont know why it works with gksu firefox
[20:44] <onetinsoldier> a newer version is out than what's available in ubuntu
[20:44] <onetinsoldier> of the moonlight software
[20:45] <simba_> the v1 works better that the v2 when connecting to some places
[20:45] <voidmage> so if i don't have moonlight is the 3.6 upgrade in the repositories safe?
[20:45] <DanaG> if you ran firefox as root, your firefox profile is likely OWNED by root.
[20:46] <onetinsoldier> voidmage: yes
[20:48] <yofel> xguru: can you try if it works if you stop apparmor?
[20:48] <yofel> xguru: and did you try it with a new profile?
[20:50] <xguru> yofel: how do i disable apparmor?  And i have not tried with a new profile
[20:50] <yofel> xguru: 'sudo service apparmor stop'
[20:52] <yofel> xguru: and you can create a new Profile if you start firefox with -ProfileManager
[20:53] <xguru> yofel: creating a new profile did the trick....any ideas what might have caused the confusion?
[20:54] <xguru> yofel: i restarted apparmor and got this... http://pastebin.com/d4d68e641
[20:56] <yofel> xguru: apparmor is ok
[20:56] <sbeattie> xguru: just means the the apparmor policies for firefox have been disabled, so apparmor shouldn't be preventing firefox from doing anything.
[20:57] <yofel> xguru: and if a new Profile works I usually suspect some user addon/plugin to be at fault
[20:57] <yofel> xguru: did you install moonlight on OS or user level?
[20:57] <sbeattie> (if it is, you should see rejections show up in your dmesg|/var/log/kern.log)
[20:58] <xguru> OS
[20:59] <xguru> thanks everyone for the help!  learned something new :)
[20:59] <yofel> xguru: ok, then it should be used in a new Profile as well, you could try to launch the old profile with -safe-mode, disable all addons and enable them one-by-one again
[20:59] <yofel> bug you first need to re-enable the old profile first
[20:59] <yofel> in the ProfileManager
[21:02] <xguru> yofel: started with all plugins disabled.  I enabled them all.  Restarted firefox and everything is fine.  I then added the extension moonlight (which seemed to be the problem) and restarted with everything being fine.
[21:04] <yofel> heh, fixed itself
[21:05] <dupondje> finally fixed the aptitude bug :) hope it gets into Lucid now :)
[21:05] <onetinsoldier> dupondje: what bug is that?
[21:06] <onetinsoldier> did you file a bug?
[21:06] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[21:06] <onetinsoldier> duffydack: roger
[21:06] <onetinsoldier> oops, sorry duffydack
[21:06] <dupondje> :p
[21:06] <onetinsoldier> dupondje:
[21:07] <onetinsoldier> dupondje: :)
[21:08] <dupondje> I forgot again who I need to add to get sponsoring :p
[21:13] <dupondje> ubuntu-main-sponsors is already added :)
[21:13] <onetinsoldier> oh :)
[21:15] <dupondje> now we need to slap some developper :)
[21:16] <onetinsoldier> a lot of the time there are some in here :-)
[21:17] <dupondje> but not when you need them :D
[21:17] <onetinsoldier> of course not! :D
[21:40] <edgy> hi, I have grub  0.97-29ubuntu59 and grub-common 1.98~20100101-1ubuntu2 installed, so do I have grub 1 or 2 now?!
[21:45] <onetinsoldier> edgy: what does dpkg -l grub-pc say?
[21:45] <onetinsoldier> edgy: what does 'dpkg -l grub-pc' say?
[21:46] <edgy> onetinsoldier: un  grub-pc                         <none>
[21:46] <onetinsoldier> hmmm
[21:46] <simba_> edgy, do you have /boot/grub/menu.list or /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[21:47] <edgy> simba_: yes I have both files
[21:48] <edgy> what's the version you have in lucid installed by default?
[21:48] <onetinsoldier> ii  grub-pc                        1.98~20100101-1ubuntu2         GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version)
[21:49] <DanaG> hmm, #ubuntu-kernel seems pretty quiet most of the time.
[21:50] <edgy> onetinsoldier: you have grub2 package also installed?
[21:50] <onetinsoldier> grub-pc = grub2
[21:50] <edgy> onetinsoldier: but there is a separate package called grub2
[21:50] <onetinsoldier> un  grub2                          <none>
[21:50] <onetinsoldier> nope
[21:51] <edgy> onetinsoldier: and the package grub is also un?
[21:51] <edgy> onetinsoldier: I would install grub-pc then, do you expect i would face a problem?
[21:51] <onetinsoldier> yes... if you were you, i'd consider doing something like purging the old and and installing the new --> grub-pc
[21:52] <onetinsoldier> maybe make a copy of your menu.lst file first
[21:53] <onetinsoldier> i bet it's a little scary here for ya edgy ;-)
[21:54] <onetinsoldier> just make sure you have everything backed up
[21:54] <edgy> onetinsoldier: ok I will put my hand on my heart and do it and reboot, please don't evaporate from the channel ;)
[21:55] <onetinsoldier> ok, good luck! :-) grub-pc(grub2) seems to work pretty nicely though :)
[21:55] <onetinsoldier> so i think you'll be ok
[22:19] <dupondje> where are those sweet developpers :P
[22:25] <acicula> in the sweatshop below, hammering out sweet sweet code
[22:33] <edgy> onetinsoldier: this is just to say thanks. it works ;)
[22:37] <onetinsoldier> edgy: hi! you're welcome. congrats :-)
[22:43] <edgy> what about fgrlx does it work? I mean can I install those drivers for ati from jockey or should I wait?
[22:44] <edgy> fglrx I mean
[22:45] <onetinsoldier> they won't work for now
[22:46] <onetinsoldier> the Xorg version. they ati fglrx drivers haven't been made to work with it yet
[22:46] <onetinsoldier> there *is* a fix to get them to install into the kernel version that's in Lucid... but alas, they don't work with Xorg 7.5 yet
[22:48] <edgy> good you told me. thanks
[22:48] <onetinsoldier> cheers
[22:49] <edgy> now lucid looks very nice for me. I love it. and this is my main system. normally you keep updating every day or just leave it till another beta comes and then update?
[22:49] <DanaG> hmm, never did get an answer about the staging drivers in the mainline builds.
[22:50] <onetinsoldier> i installed just a couple of hours after the Alpha2 was released. since then, i've been updating every day, so far anyway. don't know if i'll keep updating that often or not
[22:52] <onetinsoldier> DanaG: i wouldn't know or anyting? but, you mean for grub2? i'm just guessing
[22:53] <onetinsoldier> what are staging drivers?
[22:54] <acicula> edgy: updating is a double edged sword, you risk stuf breaking but want some updates :P
[22:55] <onetinsoldier> oh, i see there's a bunch of staging drivers in the kernel
[22:57] <acicula> DanaG: http://lwn.net/Articles/359208/
[22:58] <acicula> appearantly the criterium for staging drivers is that it must compile, makes sense to leave it out i guess
[23:08] <onetinsoldier> yes! kernel compiled and .deb packages built :)
[23:08] <DanaG> acicula: the thing is, the whole staging MENU is disabled... not just specific drivers.
[23:09] <DanaG> oh, and I keep getting hangs with "execbuf while wedged".