| Sarvatt | one day i'll learn mesa master builds are broken after 7.7 branch merges almost every time... always end up packaging mesa right after it happens | 03:04 |
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| bryyce | Sarvatt, heya | 03:10 |
| Sarvatt | might be a good time to update ati soon, quite alot of bug fixes in the past 2 months on master like signifigant speedups for r600 2D, low memory EXA fixes (and fixing NoAccel to work with KMS), a ton of dpms/incorrect resolution fixes, and a fix for a VT problem I've seen people having | 03:16 |
| Sarvatt | heyo bryyce | 03:16 |
| bryyce | update just the -ati ddx ? | 03:17 |
| Sarvatt | had a question for ya, with this new archive restructuring thing, is X going to have a team or is it going to be part of desktop (or core-dev still)? | 03:17 |
| Sarvatt | yeah | 03:17 |
| bryyce | ok I'll todo getting -ati updated either this week or next | 03:18 |
| bryyce | (next week is the developer sprint so I may not get much done) | 03:18 |
| bryyce | re: restructuring | 03:18 |
| bryyce | well there's certainly advantages either way | 03:19 |
| bryyce | I think I'd like to see Ubuntu-X be its own team separate from the desktop | 03:19 |
| Sarvatt | noone really wants to work on X stuff, really strange | 03:19 |
| bryyce | heh | 03:19 |
| bryyce | Sarvatt, I don't know, I guess I don't have a strong feel either way. What do you think? | 03:20 |
| bryyce | it seems like "X stuff" is distinct enough from "Gtk application stuff" that it splits off easily | 03:21 |
| bryyce | on the other hand, if having it be two teams means that there's an extra barrier of entry to people who might get involved, that'd be bad... | 03:21 |
| bryyce | I suppose the thing to look at would be if the desktop team is set up to include both gnome and kde; if not, and if there are separate teams for each, then having X be a separate team may make sense | 03:23 |
| bryyce | if gnome and kde are both included in the desktop team, then there's less reason to have X separate | 03:24 |
| Sarvatt | probably not enough people to even make it worth splitting off, I was just reading the ubuntu-motu logs earlier and was confused where X packages would fall with the new changes since one day down the line when I have enough experience with it i'd be interested in helping out there and dont know which team or whatever I should look into joining. have to dig up the wiki pages again, was reading on my phone :) | 03:24 |
| Sarvatt | like is there still going to be a core-dev team and the desktop team has a subset of upload permissions of that? I'm not really interested in stuff outside of X components so I've been on the fence about MOTU and it seems like thats dissolving or something | 03:27 |
| * bryyce nods | 03:30 | |
| bryyce | that's another reason favoring a stand-alone X team... there may be people who are *only* interested in X, and joining the full Desktop team just to get access to X stuff might seem a bit too broad for them | 03:31 |
| Sarvatt | oh nice, didn't know -ati disabled EXA pixmaps for cards with <=32MB vram under KMS now, that should fix up those problem cards that needed XAA under UMS back in the day now that KMS is on by default | 03:57 |
| Sarvatt | wonder why they didnt branch intel 2.10, post 2.10 is in even worse state right now than 2.10 was for me, compositing is all messed up here | 04:03 |
| superm1 | bryyce, does that mean you're gonna hire more people to work on X? =] | 04:12 |
| bryyce | superm1, you can bet on it | 04:27 |
| superm1 | that's great! you can never have too much love hacking on X stuff | 04:27 |
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| Sarvatt | yay for blindly reverting random batchbuffer related commits in -intel 2.10 around when it started to try to find the problem since I cant bisect it :D | 05:21 |
| bryyce | :-( | 05:22 |
| Sarvatt | -intel master was unusable from 11-11 to 12-10 on 945 here | 05:23 |
| Sarvatt | hmm theres a few commits that change things for just <965, maybe that'd be a better place to start | 05:29 |
| Sarvatt | hmm, -joystick has some issues | 05:46 |
| Sarvatt | took over the mouse | 05:46 |
| Sarvatt | ah I had my weirdo udev rule I was experimenting with still installed | 05:47 |
| Sarvatt | cant move the mouse away from the top gnome-panel bar with a controller plugged in | 05:48 |
| Sarvatt | got it, adding ENV{x11_options.MapAxis1}="disable-mouse", \ to /lib/udev/rules.d/67-xorg-joystick.rules worked | 06:00 |
| Sarvatt | hmm that cant be right, thats a MapButton option, it probably disabled that axis or something. should have read the man better | 06:02 |
| bryyce | yeah every so often I have to go through doing a full reinstall in order to clear out all the experimental crap I'd been playing with :-) | 06:19 |
| bryyce | which has made me be quite strict about not doing any testing on my main desktop | 06:19 |
| Sarvatt | i've had this install since intrepid and used devel releases the day they opened since jaunty, probably really due a reinstall here sometime | 06:24 |
| Sarvatt | ext3 converted to ext4 didn't help fsck times at all, my 40gb ext4 native partition fscks in seconds vs a minute or two for the 10gb / so I'm due a reinstall there for that too | 06:25 |
| Sarvatt | hmm havent seen this one http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.7.1-gamma-kdm-fix.patch?view=markup | 06:25 |
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| Ng | ugh there's that segfault on USB plug again | 12:58 |
| Ng | and that wasn't even crazy confused USB afaict, that was just me unplugging my hub and plugging it back in | 12:58 |
| Ng | did I ask last time I was talking about this why apport doesn't catch Xorg server crashes? | 12:59 |
| seb128 | Ng, because the xorg change to allow that was crashy | 13:01 |
| seb128 | Ng, it's on the todolist for sprint to rewrite it | 13:01 |
| Ng | ah ok :) | 13:02 |
| Ng | I'd really like to be able to give a good quality bug report for this segfault other than "erm, I just kinda plug/unplug USB a bit and it crashes" :) | 13:02 |
| tjaalton | Ng: log in remotely and run gdb? | 13:15 |
| tjaalton | if it's the server crashing | 13:15 |
| Ng | tjaalton: I can't reliably reproduce it though | 13:15 |
| Ng | it's just sometimes USB insertions seem to make X segfault. weirdly it doesn't get restarted, so I'm left looking at the last state of the framebuffer and think the machine has wedged hard, but I can still ssh in | 13:16 |
| tjaalton | Ng: ok | 13:19 |
| Sarvatt | Duke`_: if you want something to try -- https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/ppa | 15:17 |
| Sarvatt | (use it on top of edgers) | 15:17 |
| jcristau | Ng: there's a related bug that got fixed upstream recently iirc | 15:18 |
| Duke`_ | Sarvatt, do I have to add it to my source.list (periodic updates) or just download it once now? | 15:19 |
| Sarvatt | just download it once | 15:19 |
| Duke`_ | ok | 15:19 |
| Ng | jcristau: ooh :) | 15:20 |
| Duke`_ | what did you add in it? | 15:20 |
| Sarvatt | i'm just blindly trying to find what broke it but its better than doing nothing for 2 more months :D | 15:20 |
| Sarvatt | Revert "uxa: Don't treat prepare_access as a flush synchronisation point." | 15:20 |
| Sarvatt | Commit 637f003b047e426901cab6b1fe3a0924bcb9a38a | 15:20 |
| Duke`_ | is it compatible amd64? I'm running X86_64 | 15:21 |
| Sarvatt | uptime | 15:21 |
| Sarvatt | 10:21:05 up 10:40, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.15 | 15:21 |
| Duke`_ | ah, build finished. | 15:21 |
| Sarvatt | yeah whenever it builds, i just uploaded it | 15:21 |
| Sarvatt | whoa | 15:22 |
| Sarvatt | mozilla must be on a break :D | 15:22 |
| jcristau | Ng: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25640 | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 25640 in Server/general "Reattaching USB keyboard causes double free" [Critical,Assigned] | 15:22 |
| Ng | ah, that was pointed out to me last time I mentioned this. The one key difference is that theirs was really reliably reproducible | 15:23 |
| Sarvatt | hmm i thought that was fixed a month ago | 15:23 |
| Ng | mine really isn't | 15:23 |
| Ng | I plug in to a USB hub at least 5 times a week and it doesn't even crash once a week atm | 15:24 |
| jcristau | Sarvatt: the patch is 2 weeks old, but not pushed, i think | 15:24 |
| Sarvatt | ah thats a totally different issue now that i'm looking at it, it was Xi: reset device properties to NULL after deleting them. (#25374) that I was remembering | 15:28 |
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| johanbr | hmmm... suspend does not seem to work anymore with nouveau | 16:39 |
| johanbr | suspending with nvidia on the same kernel works (but gives graphical artifacts on resume) | 16:39 |
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| apw | bryyce, hey ... how did that testing go? | 18:37 |
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| bryyce | apw, sorry, got sidetracked on another issue. It's on the todo list for today. | 19:07 |
| apw | bryyce, np | 19:08 |
| kees | jcristau: say, can this bug get some love? I'd like to figure out what next-steps are: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9209 | 19:57 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 9209 in Server/general "Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached" [Normal,New] | 19:57 |
| jcristau | talk to ajax, i guess | 19:58 |
| kees | hm, ok | 19:58 |
| * kees when is he usually online? | 19:58 | |
| kees | oh, he is, just not in here | 19:58 |
| jcristau | he's at RH in boston, so daytime there | 19:59 |
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| AssertFalse | hi | 22:13 |
| AssertFalse | anyone to help me configuring my display settings with Dell Latitude E5400 / Ubuntu here ? | 22:13 |
| jbarnes | AssertFalse: also see /topic :) | 22:15 |
| jbarnes | lots of good links there | 22:15 |
| AssertFalse | have tryied many many thing involving xrandr, modeline, xorg.conf but I can't get my resolution above 1024x800 ; which (i guess) is not the max I can get | 22:17 |
| jcristau | what resolution you can get depends mostly on the monitor.. | 22:18 |
| AssertFalse | (and the /topic is mysteriously not visible with irssi) | 22:18 |
| jbarnes | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X | 22:18 |
| jbarnes | that's /topic | 22:18 |
| AssertFalse | xrandr says "Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 8192 x 8192", am I misunderstanding that i can get 8192 x 8192 resolution ? | 22:19 |
| jcristau | probably not | 22:19 |
| jcristau | it's the max size of the framebuffer. but your monitors won't display that much | 22:20 |
| AssertFalse | i guess | 22:20 |
| strycore | Hi | 22:23 |
| strycore | I've set a wrong resolution on my laptop , how do i reset it to default in a TTY ? | 22:23 |
| strycore | X has detected wrong refresh rates, i'm getting a black screen on lower resolutions | 22:24 |
| johanbr | strycore, try "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output <OUTPUT NAME> --mode <MODE NAME>" | 22:29 |
| johanbr | where you get the output and mode names from "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" | 22:29 |
| strycore | arrh , I get a X Error of failed request: Badmatch (invalid parameters or attributes) | 22:32 |
| strycore | Major opcode : 148 (RANDR) , Minor: 7 (RRSetScreenSize) | 22:33 |
| strycore | if that makes any sense | 22:33 |
| RAOF | When you run “DISPLAY=:0 xrandr”? | 22:38 |
| strycore | i got the wrong resolution with gnome-display-properties | 22:40 |
| strycore | RAOF, no with the output and name | 22:40 |
| strycore | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1280x800 | 22:40 |
| RAOF | And “DISPLAY=:0 xrandr” had LVDS as an output and 1280x800 as a possible mode? | 22:41 |
| strycore | yes that's the native resolution | 22:41 |
| RAOF | Can you pastebin the output of “DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -q”? | 22:41 |
| strycore | I'm afraid i can't , I would need a command line version of pastebin ;) | 22:42 |
| RAOF | pastebinit! | 22:42 |
| RAOF | sudo aptitude install pastebinit. | 22:42 |
| RAOF | The worlds finest remote debugging tool. | 22:42 |
| strycore | ah ok :) | 22:43 |
| RAOF | Then you'd run “DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -q | pasetbinit” | 22:43 |
| strycore | hmm, I would need network-manager now :( | 22:44 |
| strycore | oh wait, xterm session works | 22:44 |
| RAOF | Oh. You don't have your wireless set up as a system-wide thing? That's a good thing to do :) | 22:45 |
| strycore | I know but I haven't configured my laptop that much since i installed lucid | 22:46 |
| RAOF | Heh. Setting my home's wireless to system-wide is one of the first things I do - for pretty much this reason :) | 22:48 |
| strycore | well , I'm trying to figure out in gnome-display-properties' source code where it saves its settings | 22:49 |
| RAOF | In ~/.config/gnome-something-or-other/monitors.xml | 22:51 |
| strycore | ah | 22:52 |
| strycore | i typed Alt+F2 and typed xrandr -s 0 blindly , it worked :) | 22:53 |
| RAOF | :) | 22:54 |
| strycore | how does xrandr "guesses" the resolutions and refresh rate ? | 22:54 |
| strycore | 1360x768 , that pretty new to me ! | 22:55 |
| RAOF | By asking your monitor for the resolutions and refresh rates it supports. | 22:55 |
| RAOF | IE: X grabs the EDID via DDC. | 22:56 |
| RAOF | Whoops! Phoronix is wrong about xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. | 22:57 |
| RAOF | Also, yay for the kernel team! | 22:57 |
| strycore_ | http://pastebin.com/m7b1ec797 | 22:57 |
| strycore_ | 1280x800 and 1024x768 works , that's all | 22:58 |
| RAOF | None of the other ones do? | 22:59 |
| RAOF | I'm surprised by that output, though. | 23:00 |
| strycore_ | nope, black screen | 23:00 |
| RAOF | You might want to submit a bug against your video driver; it would appear to be returning invalid modes (which probably means that your monitor has a broken EDID). | 23:00 |
| strycore_ | I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with the monitor | 23:01 |
| RAOF | And filing a bug with the EDID attached means we (or, rather, upstream) can add a work-around. | 23:02 |
| strycore_ | I had a really hard time to get it working on gutsy and dapper (back when fglrx supported my chipset) | 23:02 |
| RAOF | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution is the page of wonder. | 23:05 |
| strycore_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/513011 | 23:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 513011 in xorg "Wrong refresh rates on low resolutions with HP NX 7000 on Lucid" [Undecided,New] | 23:13 |
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