[00:35] just in case you have not noticed yet: firefox-qt: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ [00:40] 6th time lucky? [00:40] old news, popped up on reddit.. http://reddit.com/r/linux/comments/atuyp/mozilla_qt_port_is_available_for_testing/ [01:09] hello.. im using KDE SC 4.4 RC2 just want to confirm if you also cant add the battery and device widget to the system tray [01:09] thanks [01:10] jepong: plasma crash? [01:11] i think so... i did it so many times this morning and nothing happens [01:11] works fine with RC1 [01:11] it's a known issue, I think we have to wait RC3 [01:12] to fix that [01:12] i see... is there a launchpad link i can subscribe to? [01:12] ok... [01:13] jepong: no for what I know, you can search here maybe https://bugs.kde.org/ [01:13] no problem [01:13] thanks [01:35] argh plasma-desktop crashed again and now i don't know the progress of the file copy i'm running === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [01:41] jjesse: that's because we incorporated the element of surprise, kubuntu_03_element_of_surprise.diff [01:41] nixternal: that's awesome thanks for doing so [01:41] i get so many stinkin plamsa-desktop crashes it isn't funny [01:41] lol [01:42] thinkin about reloading back to base 9.10 + updates, none of this kde beta/rc stuff [01:45] apachelogger: latest kubuntu-firefox-installer depends on an unreleased version of kdesudo :s [01:46] JontheEchidna: I uploaded that [01:46] although I didn't change that bit [01:46] hum, not showing up @ lp yet [01:54] ryanakca: bug 513049 [01:54] Launchpad bug 513049 in bangarang "Invalid desktop file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513049 [01:54] Oooo... They're showing the season 5 finale of Lost tonight... [01:55] yeah [01:55] I might go watch that in a bit... [01:55] Season 6 starts next week :) [01:56] same here, season 5 finale tonight and 10 February season 6 [01:56] in US 2 February I think [01:58] * JontheEchidna goes off to watch TV [03:35] Riddell: k. I will take a look [03:40] ScottK, Riddell: im gonna change my kdm theme to use the new wallpaper... and then post that to the kubuntu-devel list.. think there is a chance we will use that as default? I would like to avoid using the current one with the old air wallpaper and weird center piece :) [03:40] JontheEchidna: ^ [04:05] shtylman: upstream changed the default to the new Ethias paper, but I think I liked the screenshots of yours you posted [04:06] the screenshots of the kdm center part? [04:06] yeah [04:06] k [04:07] I will rework it with the new wallpaper [04:07] and post that [04:07] I don't see anything stopping it from being default for Kubuntu, especially since upstream would have accepted it aside from artwork freeze [04:07] right [04:07] cool [04:07] that's just my opinion, but I think the others would agree [04:08] :) [04:47] the pacakge with the splash screen is broken... it doesn't have the right wallpapers for the different resolutions [04:53] shtylman: We definitely need something other than what we have now, so I think the field is open. [05:29] can someone help me with a Thunderbird problem [05:29] maryellen: This isn't a support channel. #ubuntu is probably the best channel for that. [05:30] ok, tks.. === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [09:53] \o [09:54] JontheEchidna: I'm going to change license and upload and if we have space I will request a MIR, is that okay? === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [11:01] will qt 4.6.1 be availabe from kubuntu-ppa in the near future? :-? (sorry if this is duplicated, I think I was disconnected when I sent this before but I might have been on-line as well) [11:02] pgquiles__: we hope so, we're waiting on an update to phonon [11:03] Riddell: what do you mean? you still need to adapt sandsmark's patch? or you are waiting for Nokia to update phonon? (if the former, I've already done it) [11:03] although not tested yet [11:06] former [11:11] Riddell: is pykde ready or shall I wait? [11:11] (I'm not complaining, just asking) [11:12] tseliot: it's in New, let me kick it out [11:12] ok [11:17] Nightrose: have they slipped anything defaming into this? http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/interview-riddell-2.linmag.text [11:17] Riddell: hehe i'll have a look [11:28] Lex79: Thanks, I'll take a look at it when I get back from my exam [11:30] Riddell: looks good to me [11:40] Riddell: http://www.elpauer.org/tmp/kubuntu_07_phonon_4.3.80.diff - updated for 4.6.1 but untested yet (I'm building my packages for 4.6.1 now, packaging adapted and updated from 4.6.0-1ubuntu6) [11:48] Nightrose: yay, thanks [11:48] Lex79: ^^ [11:51] Riddell, I'm going to bring sip4, python-qt* up to date (sorry I've been kinda slacking on this point), and merge all the Ubuntu changes into Debian [11:55] NCommander: up to date where? they are up to date in ubuntu (except for build failure on arm) [11:55] Riddell, in Debian so we can sync the packages [11:55] * NCommander is a co-maintainer [11:55] right, lovely [11:56] NCommander: the question is what to do with python-qt3 [11:56] the new sip/pyqt4 gets rid of the need for the old configure patches which made builddir!=srcdir work [11:56] but pyqt3 hasn't been updated by upstream [11:59] so it needs its configure script rewritten for the new SIP way of doing builddir!=srcdir, or we just scrap the builddir!=srcdir, or we just scrap pyqt3 [11:59] but apparantly we need it for mnemosyne [12:02] Riddell, :-/ [12:07] oooh, mnemosyne, that was one of the first packages I packaged! :D [12:07] Although I think it got overwritten by a debian one the release after... [12:20] Quintasan: yeah, that'll be fine [12:21] see y'all later === al0 is now known as al [14:13] apachelogger: kubuntu-firefox-installer needs this new option you added to kdesudo? can you remember if kdesudo is ready for release/upload ? [14:44] guys [14:44] I was thinking about is it hard to make a qt version of synaptic? [14:44] yes [14:46] If its hard [14:46] ? [14:46] I mean synaptic is so complete [14:46] Riddell, how different is the SIP4 build system now that we can drop the old multibuild hack [14:48] NCommander: not completely different but method and variable names aren't the same as our patch [14:49] Riddell, but why do we need to change python-qt3? [14:49] * NCommander feels a bit lost [14:49] I know we need to upload it to build against the new sip4 API [14:51] marcosRz: Hard isn't impossible so if you want to shoot at it please go ahead [14:51] hm [14:52] NCommander: we patched python-qt3 to make it build with builddir!=srcdir. now SIP is able to do builddir!=srcdir but using different variables and function than we had. so the configure file needs to be rewritten for the new builddir!=srcdir stuff [14:53] Riddell, but thats just SIP's build system, python-qt3 shouldn't care at all about that functionality [14:53] NCommander: python-qt3's configure script uses sipconfig.py [14:53] ugh [14:53] ow [14:53] ok [14:54] Now I see the problem [14:54] * NCommander shivers [14:54] Riddell, I'll fix it [14:54] NCommander: well remember that we don't care about python-qt3 much and it might be easier just to drop the builddir!=srcdir idea and just build it in place [14:56] Riddell, you can't safely do that due to the ABI issues building against different versions of python [14:57] we only build for one version of python [14:57] Riddell, in Ubuntu. [15:12] :O does this yahoo! thing apply to kubuntu? [15:21] yuriy_work: I was about to ask same thing... [15:22] also, anyone know the last time an image was installable for lucid? seems oversized atm (amd64) and has been for the last few days. do I need to grab alpha2 or is there more recent? [15:49] Riddell: I asked Tonio_ to pull a release right after I introduced the function [15:49] actually, didn't I already upload that beast? [15:50] or maybe I postponed the kfi upload because of the missing kdesudo upload [15:53] dantti: lol, don't question my sh skills :P [15:53] hello guys, just compiled kde trunk on ubuntu karmic.. but there is no sound.. any clues? [15:53] apachelogger: looks like there was misscomprehension :) [15:53] apachelogger: I though you'd do it === marseillai is now known as Guest52579 [15:53] apachelogger: ? [15:53] Tonio_: well, I can do the ubuntu part, but I can't do new upstream releases ;) [15:54] apachelogger: ah that was about the patch? [15:54] apachelogger: kk let's do it :) [15:54] dantti: re: apachelogger: hmm reviewing that patch seems that there is on open IF and no FI to close it... [15:54] yup I said nevermind :P [15:54] found pulseaudio-server but.. no sound.. strange [15:55] Riddell: might I mention that my staging PPA holds a networkmanager package that actually works and should be published somewhere? ...for karmic that is [15:55] made it some time ago based upon what was in suse at the time [15:55] dantti: yeah, and now I tell you to never ever question my shelling again :P [15:56] ryanakca: got a fix for that bangarang desktop file issue yet? [15:59] hmmm, printer applet is now broken :/ [16:02] that is what we get for writing stuff in scripting languages :P === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:06] apachelogger: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=72106 [16:06] apachelogger: sorry for the delay [16:06] apachelogger: want me to upload the package too or will you do it ? [16:07] Tonio_: can do in a bit [16:07] apachelogger: I can do now :) doing it [16:07] Tonio_: thanks :) [16:07] omg, where is scott? [16:08] NCommander: bug 513329 pretty please [16:08] Launchpad bug 513329 in karmic-backports "Please backport kmess 2.0.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513329 [16:08] apachelogger, will do [16:10] NCommander: thanks :) [16:10] apachelogger: uploaded [16:10] Riddell: ^ [16:10] * apachelogger hands Tonio_ a cookie :) [16:11] apachelogger: you should slap me instead :) I should have done that a month and a half ago ! [16:12] Tonio_: doesnt really make a difference, other than that feature is super hot and awesome and people where not able to use it for 1.5m ;) === seele_ is now known as seele [16:13] apachelogger: ;) [16:14] nixternal: lol at your Bing comments [16:22] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KEmu?content=116980 [16:22] scary UI [16:22] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [16:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hey apachelogger :) [16:22] ahoy [16:22] <_Groo_> guys what is the proper channel for networkmanager bugs? [16:23] <_Groo_> btw i compiled kdebindings for 4.4 rc2 and its working fine, BUT the printer applet is still broken :( [16:28] and printer config in system settings works? [16:29] printer-applet works fine here, it's the config which needs some love [16:30] Riddell: btw, we don't need a refreshed patch for Phonon, but we need an updated patch. Sandsmark done, but we have still problem to build kdebase-runtime against that. [16:31] since Phonon headers include in qt 4.6.1 is changed [16:31] moin [16:31] we are working on that, hope is ready for RC3 [16:31] roar [16:32] why do phonon headers change with every single release [16:32] don't these Qt people know about API compatibility? [16:32] roar [16:33] Riddell: from changes-4.6.1 in the tarball http://pastebin.ca/1768131 [16:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: i was talking about the systemsettings printer config :) [16:33] thiago mailed about that btw [16:34] <_Groo_> ok, what is the channel of the networkmanager guys? [16:40] Riddell: retry this https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.3.5-0ubuntu1~karmic1 [16:41] apachelogger: why horrible? try using qtemu -_- [16:41] retried [16:42] Quintasan: I did [16:42] scary UI [16:42] they all have them scary UIs [16:42] agateau should offer training courses on sensible UI design :P [16:43] * agateau is flattered :) [16:44] Riddell: I did find -iname *.cpp -exec grep DefaultInputMethod {} \; in Qt source and -> http://pastebin.com/f25c5c3e8 which line it would be? [16:48] Quintasan: all of them I'd guess [16:49] Riddell: but only one contains XIM :P [16:49] now how to find the file with this line :S [17:08] ehm [17:08] Quintasan: why not grep only? [17:09] if in doubt you could use ack-grep, that beast should also be able to only grep cpp files [17:10] apachelogger: qt source has shitload of sub dirs, it would be a pita to manually go through all of them :P [17:11] grep 'foo' ./*? [17:11] can is able to do recursive search IIRC [17:11] at least ack-grep is :P [17:18] hurr durr [18:17] freeflying: konsole uses utf8 by default?! [18:20] konsole uses your system locale, which is utf8 for anything installed this millenium (so not my IRC client) [18:23] <\sh> Riddell: you use ircII? ;) [18:23] did used to, irssi adds pretty colours though [18:24] <\sh> oh well, old ircII times...remarkable ;) [18:34] join #ubuntu-hardened === vikram_ is now known as dhillon-v10 [19:15] apachelogger: ping [19:57] new packagekit seems to work [19:57] hugs to dantti [19:58] although that install dialogue is still horribly busy [19:58] Riddell: what was the problem? [19:58] dantti: with packagekit? just that nobody had packaged it yet [19:58] ah :P [19:58] which version? [19:59] 0.5.6 packagekit, 0.5.4 kpackagekit [19:59] hmm nice :) [19:59] hopefully 0.6 will have debconf support [20:00] actually I can add it in 0.5 right now but I'm too lazy :P I'll wait for the upstream solution.. [20:00] upstream knows best [20:00] (usually) [20:00] Riddell: btw I'm working on a new printer monitor (as seems you haven't touched too much the code lately) and I can't code python.. [20:01] It already monitors the printing jobs [20:01] dantti: oh? what's needing done that isn't in the current one? [20:01] (I can think of a few things) [20:01] Riddell: well first it doesnt work on debian (right now) [20:02] then on a kubuntu pc of a fellow of mine it doesn't show active jobs [20:02] different cups version? [20:02] no kcm crash [20:03] oh that's system-config-printer-kde then, not the monitor [20:03] yep, I can't see a monitor.. [20:03] printer-applet ? [20:04] if that's the executable name I don't have it [20:04] it's in kdeutils [20:05] Riddell: hi there :) I am trying to write a patch for this pretty easy bug (as you suggested, I should start with bugzilla) are there any coding guidelines that i should follow? can you link to it, thanks. [20:07] Riddell: I'll take a look but I really don't get why copying the gnome code is good since it's so easy to use libcups directly... [20:08] Riddell: when I get something working (better than now) I'll show you, maybe you decide py is evil :P just kidding [20:09] it's not ideal for printer-applet, adds to startup time [20:10] dhillon-v10: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/pages/QtCodingStyle [20:10] Riddell: hmm so you might like what I'm writing... [20:11] it will load a small kded at startup, and when a job is detected it starts the systray icon (pretty much what KPk does), this part is done, now I'm working on the systray icon.. [20:12] Riddell: thanks for the link [20:13] Riddell: I'll get back to you when I have a patch written down, and then you can review it :) [20:17] mhh, seems that the koffice package for Karmic was not updated in the Backports PPA? [20:17] do we want 2.1.1 for Karmic? [20:18] we don't have it for lucid yet [20:19] Riddell: a backport would be difficult, because we would have to add *-kde4 again. So why not updating the existing package in the PPA? [20:20] yes that's probably the best way [20:20] I#ll build it and upload to staging, so we can decide what to do after it is in lucid [20:28] dantti: new {k,gnome,}packagekit uploaded, here's the patches we apply to kpackagekit http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kpackagekit/ [20:29] just for your information, although I think kubuntu_04_tray_icon.patch should go upstream [20:41] I fixed l10n-sr in staging with new tar [20:45] thanks Lex79 [20:45] np [20:45] Lex79: ready for me to copy over? [20:45] yep === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [21:54] apachelogger: Yes, I have a fix, see bug 513488 [21:54] Launchpad bug 513488 in bangarang "Please sync bangarang 1.0-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513488 [21:58] Riddell: retry this: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/4:4.3.5-0ubuntu1~karmic1/+build/1469570 === sebas_ is now known as sebas [22:06] done [22:06] good [22:07] hi guys :) [22:26] I have a problem with phonon in Kubuntu 9.10. Its like this: [22:26] I can go to the media settings in systemsettings and configure phonon as usually [22:27] Every device is found an displayed, but if i try to play the test-sound for my prefered sound device I can hear no sound. [22:28] Sound in general works (like playing sound with VLC or aplay) but everything which uses phonon does not work [22:28] (like system sounds or amarok) [22:28] gremu: this is not really a support channel, probably best to ask in #kubuntu [22:28] I'm using XINE backend with KDE 4.4 RC 2 [22:28] hm, ah ok ... amarok guys pointed me here [22:33] Hm, I think it has nothing todo with configuration ... maybe its a bug and someone already knows about it or not. [22:34] Because XINE does not work (plays no sound but also displays no error message) but Gstreamer backend works [22:34] (sound works for any kde application) [22:50] ryanakca: sweet [22:51] gremu: who pointed you here? I certainly didn't [22:56] Mamarok: markey [22:56] at 15:08 (UTC) [22:59] hm? [23:01] markey: you shouldn't point people here for support, support is in #kubuntu [23:03] Sorry… I don't want to blame anyone [23:03] gremu: just so he knows :) [23:03] no need to be sorry [23:04] Ok .. then I will try in #kubuntu later :) [23:04] Thanks anyway [23:07] Riddell: python-kde4-dbg is dropped from the new version of kdebindings? [23:08] Lex79: should be in kdebindings-dbg [23:09] tried Shaman, it crashes, and needs UI polish [23:10] * Riddell wonders why scottk is in #ubuntu-women but not in here [23:10] LoooooL === emma_ is now known as emma [23:12] rofl [23:47] Hello, I have KDE 4.4 RC2 installed, yet my system wants to install kdebase-4.3.5.. is this correct, or is the kdebase metapackage missing for 4.3.95? [23:50] (I do realise that this is not a support channel) [23:51] please show the whole error message [23:51] and yes, would be better to ask in #kubuntu [23:54] neversfelde: there is no error message technically, I just did an update, and the kdebase metapakage wanted to update to 4.3.5, ye tthe system is running 4.3.95. I am assuming that kdebase metapackage (which was preesent in RC1) hasn't been made for 4.3.95 [23:54] (if that makes sense), though will ask in the main support channel.. [23:55] k