[00:35] <blueyed> just in case you have not noticed yet: firefox-qt: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/
[00:40] <Riddell> 6th time lucky?
[00:40] <blueyed> old news, popped up on reddit.. http://reddit.com/r/linux/comments/atuyp/mozilla_qt_port_is_available_for_testing/
[01:09] <jepong> hello.. im using KDE SC 4.4 RC2  just want to confirm if you also cant add the battery and device widget to the system tray
[01:09] <jepong> thanks
[01:10] <Lex79> jepong: plasma crash?
[01:11] <jepong> i think so... i did it so many times this morning and nothing happens
[01:11] <jepong> works fine with RC1
[01:11] <Lex79> it's a known issue, I think we have to wait RC3
[01:12] <Lex79> to fix that
[01:12] <jepong> i see... is there a launchpad link i can subscribe to?
[01:12] <jepong> ok...
[01:13] <Lex79> jepong: no for what I know, you can search here maybe https://bugs.kde.org/
[01:13] <Lex79> no problem
[01:13] <jepong> thanks
[01:35] <jjesse_> argh plasma-desktop crashed again and now i don't know the progress of the file copy i'm running
[01:41] <nixternal> jjesse: that's because we incorporated the element of surprise, kubuntu_03_element_of_surprise.diff
[01:41] <jjesse> nixternal: that's awesome thanks for doing so
[01:41] <jjesse> i get so many stinkin plamsa-desktop crashes it isn't funny
[01:41] <Lex79> lol
[01:42] <jjesse> thinkin about reloading back to base 9.10 + updates, none of this kde beta/rc stuff
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: latest kubuntu-firefox-installer depends on an unreleased version of kdesudo :s
[01:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I uploaded that
[01:46] <Riddell> although I didn't change that bit
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> hum, not showing up @ lp yet
[01:54] <Lex79> ryanakca: bug 513049
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> Oooo... They're showing the season 5 finale of Lost tonight...
[01:55] <Lex79> yeah
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> I might go watch that in a bit...
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> Season 6 starts next week :)
[01:56] <Lex79> same here, season 5 finale tonight and 10 February season 6
[01:56] <Lex79> in US 2 February I think
[01:58]  * JontheEchidna goes off to watch TV
[03:35] <shtylman> Riddell: k. I will take a look
[03:40] <shtylman> ScottK, Riddell: im gonna change my kdm theme to use the new wallpaper... and then post that to the kubuntu-devel list.. think there is a chance we will use that as default? I would like to avoid using the current one with the old air wallpaper and weird center piece :)
[03:40] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: ^
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: upstream changed the default to the new Ethias paper, but I think I liked the screenshots of yours you posted
[04:06] <shtylman> the screenshots of the kdm center part?
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[04:06] <shtylman> k
[04:07] <shtylman> I will rework it with the new wallpaper
[04:07] <shtylman> and post that
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> I don't see anything stopping it from being default for Kubuntu, especially since upstream would have accepted it aside from artwork freeze
[04:07] <shtylman> right
[04:07] <shtylman> cool
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> that's just my opinion, but I think the others would agree
[04:08] <shtylman> :)
[04:47] <shtylman> the pacakge with the splash screen is broken... it doesn't have the right wallpapers for the different resolutions
[04:53] <ScottK> shtylman: We definitely need something other than what we have now, so I think the field is open.
[05:29] <maryellen> can someone help me with a Thunderbird problem
[05:29] <ScottK> maryellen: This isn't a support channel.  #ubuntu is probably the best channel for that.
[05:30] <maryellen> ok, tks..
[09:53] <Quintasan> \o
[09:54] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I'm going to change license and upload and if we have space I will request a MIR, is that okay?
[11:01] <pgquiles__> will qt 4.6.1 be availabe from kubuntu-ppa in the near future? :-? (sorry if this is duplicated, I think I was disconnected when I sent this before but I might have been on-line as well)
[11:02] <Riddell> pgquiles__: we hope so, we're waiting on an update to phonon
[11:03] <pgquiles__> Riddell: what do you mean? you still need to adapt sandsmark's patch? or you are waiting for Nokia to update phonon? (if the former, I've already done it)
[11:03] <pgquiles__> although not tested yet
[11:06] <Riddell> former
[11:11] <tseliot> Riddell: is pykde ready or shall I wait?
[11:11] <tseliot> (I'm not complaining, just asking)
[11:12] <Riddell> tseliot: it's in New, let me kick it out
[11:12] <tseliot> ok
[11:17] <Riddell> Nightrose: have they slipped anything defaming into this? http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/interview-riddell-2.linmag.text
[11:17] <Nightrose> Riddell: hehe i'll have a look
[11:28] <ryanakca> Lex79: Thanks, I'll take a look at it when I get back from my exam
[11:30] <Nightrose> Riddell: looks good to me
[11:40] <pgquiles__> Riddell: http://www.elpauer.org/tmp/kubuntu_07_phonon_4.3.80.diff - updated for 4.6.1 but untested yet (I'm building my packages for 4.6.1 now, packaging adapted and updated from 4.6.0-1ubuntu6)
[11:48] <Riddell> Nightrose: yay, thanks
[11:48] <Riddell> Lex79: ^^
[11:51] <NCommander> Riddell, I'm going to bring sip4, python-qt* up to date (sorry I've been kinda slacking on this point), and merge all the Ubuntu changes into Debian
[11:55] <Riddell> NCommander: up to date where?  they are up to date in ubuntu (except for build failure on arm)
[11:55] <NCommander> Riddell, in Debian so we can sync the packages
[11:55]  * NCommander is a co-maintainer
[11:55] <Riddell> right, lovely
[11:56] <Riddell> NCommander: the question is what to do with python-qt3
[11:56] <Riddell> the new sip/pyqt4 gets rid of the need for the old configure patches which made builddir!=srcdir work
[11:56] <Riddell> but pyqt3 hasn't been updated by upstream
[11:59] <Riddell> so it needs its configure script rewritten for the new SIP way of doing builddir!=srcdir, or we just scrap the builddir!=srcdir, or we just scrap pyqt3
[11:59] <Riddell> but apparantly we need it for mnemosyne
[12:02] <NCommander> Riddell, :-/
[12:07] <jussi01> oooh, mnemosyne, that was one of the first packages I packaged! :D
[12:07] <jussi01> Although I think it got overwritten by a debian one the release after...
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yeah, that'll be fine
[12:21] <JontheEchidna> see y'all later
[14:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: kubuntu-firefox-installer needs this new option you added to kdesudo?  can you remember if kdesudo is ready for release/upload ?
[14:44] <marcosRz> guys
[14:44] <marcosRz> I was thinking about is it hard to make a qt version of synaptic?
[14:44] <Riddell> yes
[14:46] <marcosRz> If its hard
[14:46] <marcosRz> ?
[14:46] <marcosRz> I mean synaptic is so complete
[14:46] <NCommander> Riddell, how different is the SIP4 build system now that we can drop the old multibuild hack
[14:48] <Riddell> NCommander: not completely different but method and variable names aren't the same as our patch
[14:49] <NCommander> Riddell, but why do we need to change python-qt3?
[14:49]  * NCommander feels a bit lost
[14:49] <NCommander> I know we need to upload it to build against the new sip4 API
[14:51] <daskreech> marcosRz: Hard isn't impossible so if you want to shoot at it please go ahead
[14:51] <marcosRz> hm
[14:52] <Riddell> NCommander: we patched python-qt3 to make it build with builddir!=srcdir.  now SIP is able to do builddir!=srcdir but using different variables and function than we had.  so the configure file needs to be rewritten for the new builddir!=srcdir stuff
[14:53] <NCommander> Riddell, but thats just SIP's build system, python-qt3 shouldn't care at all about that functionality
[14:53] <Riddell> NCommander: python-qt3's configure script uses sipconfig.py
[14:53] <NCommander> ugh
[14:53] <NCommander> ow
[14:53] <NCommander> ok
[14:54] <NCommander> Now I see the problem
[14:54]  * NCommander shivers
[14:54] <NCommander> Riddell, I'll fix it
[14:54] <Riddell> NCommander: well remember that we don't care about python-qt3 much and it might be easier just to drop the builddir!=srcdir idea and just build it in place
[14:56] <NCommander> Riddell, you can't safely do that due to the ABI issues building against different versions of python
[14:57] <Riddell> we only build for one version of python
[14:57] <NCommander> Riddell, in Ubuntu.
[15:12] <yuriy_work> :O does this yahoo! thing apply to kubuntu?
[15:21] <jussi01> yuriy_work: I was about to ask same thing...
[15:22] <jussi01> also, anyone know the last time an image was installable for lucid? seems oversized atm (amd64) and has been for the last few days. do I need to grab alpha2 or is there more recent?
[15:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: I asked Tonio_ to pull a release right after I introduced the function
[15:49] <apachelogger> actually, didn't I already upload that beast?
[15:50] <apachelogger> or maybe I postponed the kfi upload because of the missing kdesudo upload
[15:53] <apachelogger> dantti: lol, don't question my sh skills :P
[15:53] <aleite> hello guys, just compiled kde trunk on ubuntu karmic.. but there is no sound.. any clues?
[15:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: looks like there was misscomprehension :)
[15:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I though you'd do it
[15:53] <dantti> apachelogger: ?
[15:53] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, I can do the ubuntu part, but I can't do new upstream releases ;)
[15:54] <dantti> apachelogger: ah that was about the patch?
[15:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kk let's do it :)
[15:54] <apachelogger> dantti: re: <dantti> apachelogger: hmm reviewing that patch seems that there is on open IF and no FI to close it...
[15:54] <dantti> yup I said nevermind :P
[15:54] <aleite> found pulseaudio-server but.. no sound.. strange
[15:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: might I mention that my staging PPA holds a networkmanager package that actually works and should be published somewhere? ...for karmic that is
[15:55] <apachelogger> made it some time ago based upon what was in suse at the time
[15:55] <apachelogger> dantti: yeah, and now I tell you to never ever question my shelling again :P
[15:56] <apachelogger> ryanakca: got a fix for that bangarang desktop file issue yet?
[15:59] <Quintasan> hmmm, printer applet is now broken :/
[16:02] <apachelogger> that is what we get for writing stuff in scripting languages :P
[16:06] <Tonio_> apachelogger: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=72106
[16:06] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sorry for the delay
[16:06] <Tonio_> apachelogger: want me to upload the package too or will you do it ?
[16:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: can do in a bit
[16:07] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I can do now :) doing it
[16:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: thanks :)
[16:07] <apachelogger> omg, where is scott?
[16:08] <apachelogger> NCommander: bug 513329 pretty please
[16:08] <NCommander> apachelogger, will do
[16:10] <apachelogger> NCommander: thanks :)
[16:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: uploaded
[16:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[16:10]  * apachelogger hands Tonio_ a cookie :)
[16:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: you should slap me instead :) I should have done that a month and a half ago !
[16:12] <apachelogger> Tonio_: doesnt really make a difference, other than that feature is super hot and awesome and people where not able to use it for 1.5m ;)
[16:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ;)
[16:14] <daskreech> nixternal: lol at your Bing comments
[16:22] <apachelogger> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KEmu?content=116980
[16:22] <apachelogger> scary UI
[16:22] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hey apachelogger :)
[16:22] <apachelogger> ahoy
[16:22] <_Groo_> guys what is the proper channel for networkmanager bugs?
[16:23] <_Groo_> btw i compiled kdebindings for 4.4 rc2 and its working fine, BUT the printer applet is still broken :(
[16:28] <Lex79> and printer config in system settings works?
[16:29] <Riddell> printer-applet works fine here, it's the config which needs some love
[16:30] <Lex79> Riddell: btw, we don't need a refreshed patch for Phonon, but we need an updated patch. Sandsmark done, but we have still problem to build kdebase-runtime against that.
[16:31] <Lex79> since Phonon headers include in qt 4.6.1 is changed
[16:31] <danimo_> moin
[16:31] <Lex79> we are working on that, hope is ready for RC3
[16:31] <Riddell> roar
[16:32] <Riddell> why do phonon headers change with every single release
[16:32] <Riddell> don't these Qt people know about API compatibility?
[16:32] <Riddell> roar
[16:33] <Lex79> Riddell: from changes-4.6.1 in the tarball http://pastebin.ca/1768131
[16:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: i was talking about the systemsettings printer config :)
[16:33] <Lex79> thiago mailed about that btw
[16:34] <_Groo_> ok, what is the channel of the networkmanager guys?
[16:40] <Lex79> Riddell: retry this https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.3.5-0ubuntu1~karmic1
[16:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: why horrible? try using qtemu -_-
[16:41] <Riddell> retried
[16:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I did
[16:42] <apachelogger> scary UI
[16:42] <apachelogger> they all have them scary UIs
[16:42] <apachelogger> agateau should offer training courses on sensible UI design :P
[16:43]  * agateau is flattered :)
[16:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: I did find -iname *.cpp -exec grep DefaultInputMethod {} \; in Qt source and -> http://pastebin.com/f25c5c3e8 which line it would be?
[16:48] <Riddell> Quintasan: all of them I'd guess
[16:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: but only one contains XIM :P
[16:49] <Quintasan> now how to find the file with this line :S
[17:08] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why not grep only?
[17:09] <apachelogger> if in doubt you could use ack-grep, that beast should also be able to only grep cpp files
[17:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: qt source has shitload of sub dirs, it would be a pita to manually go through all of them :P
[17:11] <apachelogger> grep 'foo' ./*?
[17:11] <apachelogger> can is able to do recursive search IIRC
[17:11] <apachelogger> at least ack-grep is :P
[17:18] <Quintasan> hurr durr
[18:17] <apachelogger> freeflying: konsole uses utf8 by default?!
[18:20] <Riddell> konsole uses your system locale, which is utf8 for anything installed this millenium (so not my IRC client)
[18:23] <\sh> Riddell: you use ircII? ;)
[18:23] <Riddell> did used to, irssi adds pretty colours though
[18:24] <\sh> oh well, old ircII times...remarkable ;)
[18:34] <vikram_> join #ubuntu-hardened
[19:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[19:57] <Riddell> new packagekit seems to work
[19:57] <Riddell> hugs to dantti
[19:58] <Riddell> although that install dialogue is still horribly busy
[19:58] <dantti> Riddell: what was the problem?
[19:58] <Riddell> dantti: with packagekit?  just that nobody had packaged it yet
[19:58] <dantti> ah :P
[19:58] <dantti> which version?
[19:59] <Riddell> 0.5.6 packagekit, 0.5.4 kpackagekit
[19:59] <dantti> hmm nice :)
[19:59] <dantti> hopefully 0.6 will have debconf support
[20:00] <dantti> actually I can add it in 0.5 right now but I'm too lazy :P I'll wait for the upstream solution..
[20:00] <Riddell> upstream knows best
[20:00] <Riddell> (usually)
[20:00] <dantti> Riddell: btw I'm working on a new printer monitor (as seems you haven't touched too much the code lately) and I can't code  python..
[20:01] <dantti> It already monitors the printing jobs
[20:01] <Riddell> dantti: oh?  what's needing done that isn't in the current one?
[20:01] <Riddell> (I can think of a few things)
[20:01] <dantti> Riddell: well first it doesnt work on debian (right now)
[20:02] <dantti> then on a kubuntu pc of a fellow of mine it doesn't show active jobs
[20:02] <Riddell> different cups version?
[20:02] <dantti> no kcm crash
[20:03] <Riddell> oh that's system-config-printer-kde then, not the monitor
[20:03] <dantti> yep, I can't see a monitor..
[20:03] <Riddell> printer-applet ?
[20:04] <dantti> if that's the executable name I don't have it
[20:04] <Riddell> it's in kdeutils
[20:05] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: hi there :) I am trying to write a patch for this pretty easy bug (as you suggested, I should start with bugzilla) are there any coding guidelines that i should follow? can you link to it, thanks.
[20:07] <dantti> Riddell: I'll take a look but I really don't get why copying the gnome code is good since it's so easy to use libcups directly...
[20:08] <dantti> Riddell: when I get something working (better than now) I'll show you, maybe you decide py is evil :P just kidding
[20:09] <Riddell> it's not ideal for printer-applet, adds to startup time
[20:10] <Riddell> dhillon-v10: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/pages/QtCodingStyle
[20:10] <dantti> Riddell: hmm so you might like what I'm writing...
[20:11] <dantti> it will load a small kded at startup, and when a job is detected it starts the systray icon (pretty much what KPk does), this part is done, now I'm working on the systray icon..
[20:12] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: thanks for the link
[20:13] <dhillon-v10> Riddell: I'll get back to you when I have a patch written down, and then you can review it :)
[20:17] <neversfelde> mhh, seems that the koffice package for Karmic was not updated in the Backports PPA?
[20:17] <neversfelde> do we want 2.1.1 for Karmic?
[20:18] <Riddell> we don't have it for lucid yet
[20:19] <neversfelde> Riddell: a backport would be difficult, because we would have to add *-kde4 again. So why not updating the existing package in the PPA?
[20:20] <Riddell> yes that's probably the best way
[20:20] <neversfelde> I#ll build it and upload to staging, so we can decide what to do after it is in lucid
[20:28] <Riddell> dantti: new {k,gnome,}packagekit uploaded, here's the patches we apply to kpackagekit http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kpackagekit/
[20:29] <Riddell> just for your information, although I think kubuntu_04_tray_icon.patch should go upstream
[20:41] <Lex79> I fixed l10n-sr in staging with new tar
[20:45] <Riddell> thanks Lex79
[20:45] <Lex79> np
[20:45] <Riddell> Lex79: ready for me to copy over?
[20:45] <Lex79> yep
[21:54] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Yes, I have a fix, see bug 513488
[21:58] <Lex79> Riddell: retry this: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/4:4.3.5-0ubuntu1~karmic1/+build/1469570
[22:06] <Riddell> done
[22:06] <Lex79> good
[22:07] <gremu> hi guys :)
[22:26] <gremu> I have a problem with phonon in Kubuntu 9.10. Its like this:
[22:26] <gremu> I can go to the media settings in systemsettings and configure phonon as usually
[22:27] <gremu> Every device is found an displayed, but if i try to play the test-sound for my prefered sound device I can hear no sound.
[22:28] <gremu> Sound in general works (like playing sound with VLC or aplay) but everything which uses phonon does not work
[22:28] <gremu> (like system sounds or amarok)
[22:28] <neversfelde> gremu: this is not really a support channel, probably best to ask in #kubuntu
[22:28] <gremu> I'm using XINE backend with KDE 4.4 RC 2
[22:28] <gremu> hm, ah ok ... amarok guys pointed me here
[22:33] <gremu> Hm, I think it has nothing todo with configuration ... maybe its a bug and someone already knows about it or not.
[22:34] <gremu> Because XINE does not work (plays no sound but also displays no error message) but Gstreamer backend works
[22:34] <gremu> (sound works for any kde application)
[22:50] <apachelogger> ryanakca: sweet
[22:51] <Mamarok> gremu: who pointed you here? I certainly didn't
[22:56] <gremu> Mamarok: markey
[22:56] <gremu> at 15:08 (UTC)
[22:59] <markey> hm?
[23:01] <Mamarok> markey: you shouldn't point people here for support, support is in #kubuntu
[23:03] <gremu> Sorry… I don't want to blame anyone
[23:03] <Mamarok> gremu: just so he knows :)
[23:03] <Mamarok> no need to be sorry
[23:04] <gremu> Ok .. then I will try in #kubuntu later :)
[23:04] <gremu> Thanks anyway
[23:07] <Lex79> Riddell: python-kde4-dbg is dropped from the new version of kdebindings?
[23:08] <Riddell> Lex79: should be in kdebindings-dbg
[23:09] <Riddell> tried Shaman, it crashes, and needs UI polish
[23:10]  * Riddell wonders why scottk is in #ubuntu-women but not in here
[23:10] <Lex79> LoooooL
[23:12] <neversfelde> rofl
[23:47] <gorgonizer> Hello, I have KDE 4.4 RC2 installed, yet my system wants to install kdebase-4.3.5.. is this correct, or is the kdebase metapackage missing for 4.3.95?
[23:50] <gorgonizer> (I do realise that this is not a support channel)
[23:51] <neversfelde> please show the whole error message
[23:51] <neversfelde> and yes, would be better to ask in #kubuntu
[23:54] <gorgonizer> neversfelde: there is no error message technically, I just did an update, and the kdebase metapakage wanted to update to 4.3.5, ye tthe system is running 4.3.95.  I am assuming that kdebase metapackage (which was preesent in RC1) hasn't been made for 4.3.95
[23:54] <gorgonizer> (if that makes sense), though will ask in the main support channel..
[23:55] <neversfelde> k