[00:03] <mazda01> crimsun, well, how can unmonopolize the sound card. im telling you, it's that "system testing" within the system, admin menu
[00:14] <mazda01> anyone know why the system testing menu item within system, admin, takes over my sound card and then changes the sound preferences out put to dummy output? there isn't even a hardware device within the sound hardware tab?
[00:14] <mazda01> here's alsa-info.sh: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=f4a710fd8bb4adbfedb28890c28849058104b3f5
[00:41] <Spreadsheet> Hi
[00:42] <Spreadsheet> I can switch viewports using ctrl-alt-arrow, but I can't close windows using the X
[00:42] <Spreadsheet> Or click on windows
[00:42] <Spreadsheet> I can type into them
[00:43] <Spreadsheet> I killed some processes, gcalctool and firefox that I had open
[00:43] <Spreadsheet> I could temporarily move the windows, but then it "froze" again
[00:45] <Spreadsheet> Any help?
[00:47] <onetinsoldier> wow. hmmm, i don't know right offhand
[00:47] <Spreadsheet> Has anyone else experienced this?
[00:47] <Spreadsheet> I think this is really weird. I almost never get crashes or freezes
[00:48] <Spreadsheet> I can also start applications using Alt-f2
[00:48] <onetinsoldier> this is in just regular, plain-jane, lucid?
[00:48] <Spreadsheet> Yeah
[00:48] <Spreadsheet> GNOME, haven't done much modifications to it
[00:48] <onetinsoldier> did you just upgrade to lucid just now? or?
[00:48] <Spreadsheet> Keys work (I can make a new tab in a terminal)
[00:49] <onetinsoldier> did you install lucid fresh?
[00:49] <Spreadsheet> Fresh install
[00:49] <onetinsoldier> roger
[00:49] <onetinsoldier> using the Alpha2 CD? or a daily-build?
[00:49] <Spreadsheet> Also, I tried killing another application, leafpad, thinking it would give me some time to move windows, but it didn't
[00:49] <Spreadsheet> hmm
[00:49] <Spreadsheet> How do I find out?
[00:49] <Spreadsheet> I think I am using alpha 1
[00:50] <onetinsoldier> i installed using the Alpha2 CD just a couple of hours after it was released, which was like, about a week ago
[00:50] <Spreadsheet> I remember you can use a keyboard key to "grab" a window and move it
[00:50] <Spreadsheet> What is that, so I can try it?
[00:50] <onetinsoldier> i haven't had many problems myself
[00:51] <Spreadsheet> also, I can't click the menus or taskbar
[00:51] <onetinsoldier> i downloaded it from Softpedia
[00:51] <onetinsoldier> i think. maybe not. that was where i saw the news that Alpha2 had just come out
[00:52] <onetinsoldier> Spreadsheet: the 'alt' key?
[00:52] <onetinsoldier> to grab a window?
[00:52] <Spreadsheet> Nope, can't grab it
[00:52] <onetinsoldier> roger
[00:52] <Spreadsheet> How do I use apport?
[00:53] <Spreadsheet> Do I just run apport-something from the terminal? Will it automatically file a bug?
[00:53] <onetinsoldier> don't know. i've never used. i think it comes up automatically if it detects a crash though
[00:53] <onetinsoldier> an appcrash
[00:53] <onetinsoldier> try 'man apport'
[00:54] <onetinsoldier> or 'apropos apport'
[00:54] <Spreadsheet> apport isn't a single command
[00:54] <onetinsoldier> ahh, roger
[00:54] <onetinsoldier> i did --> apropos apport
[00:55] <onetinsoldier> and i'd say... try the 'ubuntu-bug' command
[00:55] <Spreadsheet> ok
[00:55] <onetinsoldier> however. it'd be interesting to solve it. but i'm not sure what's wrong. are you all upgraded to the lastest?
[00:55] <Spreadsheet> I can't specify a package
[00:56] <onetinsoldier> are you sure you are fully upgraded?
[00:56] <Spreadsheet> I'm not upgraded, I don't like upgrades
[00:56] <onetinsoldier> if you installed the Alpha1, you should definitely upgrade to the latest packages that are available
[00:57] <onetinsoldier> the latest Lucid
[00:57] <Spreadsheet> Then I will need to restart
[00:58] <onetinsoldier> yes. after updating to the latest, you'd probably need to restart
[00:58] <Spreadsheet> I mean to get it working
[00:58] <Spreadsheet> Being able to move windows around
[00:58] <onetinsoldier> oh
[00:58] <onetinsoldier> i see
[00:58] <Spreadsheet> I have a screen session, so I will stay her
[00:58] <Spreadsheet> *here
[00:58] <Spreadsheet> I will shutdown and then reboot
[00:59] <Spreadsheet> bbl
[00:59] <onetinsoldier> roger
[00:59] <onetinsoldier> good luck
[01:08] <Spreadsheet> Back
[01:08] <Spreadsheet> I had to do something
[01:09] <Spreadsheet> onetinsoldier: hello?
[01:10] <Spreadsheet> It says I can only do a partial update
[01:12] <charlie-tca> quit
[01:16] <onetinsoldier> Spreadsheet: oh?
[01:17] <onetinsoldier> Spreadsheet: can i see the full message?
[01:17] <Spreadsheet> Ok
[01:17] <onetinsoldier> are you using a graphical package manager? or, what command did you use?
[01:17] <Spreadsheet> update-manager
[01:18] <onetinsoldier> roger
[01:18] <Spreadsheet> Not all updates can be installed: Run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible
[01:18] <onetinsoldier> how about i give you a few 'aptitude' commands to run?
[01:18] <onetinsoldier> actually, just one
[01:19] <Spreadsheet> wait
[01:19] <onetinsoldier> try 'aptitude safe-upgrade'
[01:19] <onetinsoldier> ok
[01:19] <Spreadsheet> I want to remove all unnecessary stuff
[01:20] <onetinsoldier> sudo aptitude autoremove?
[01:20] <Spreadsheet> fffuu
[01:20] <onetinsoldier> what's wrong?
[01:21] <Spreadsheet> These packagers don't know what they are doing
[01:21] <Spreadsheet> To remove smbclient, I also have to remove ubuntu-desktop
[01:21] <onetinsoldier> well, ubuntu-desktop depends on smbclient
[01:22] <onetinsoldier> err, think i have that backawards
[01:23] <onetinsoldier> anyway... having any luck yet?
[01:23] <Spreadsheet> Still 149mb
[01:23] <onetinsoldier> roger
[01:23] <Spreadsheet> I don't want to download that much
[01:23] <Spreadsheet> Updates aren't causing the problem
[01:24] <onetinsoldier> after this is all done. go into aptitude, or maybe synaptic will work to, and the options is a place to uncheck to 'install recommends'
[01:28] <Spreadsheet> wb
[01:29] <onetinsoldier> still downloading Spreadsheet?
[01:30] <Spreadsheet> I'm not upgrading
[01:31] <onetinsoldier> roger
[01:36] <DanaG> weird... compared to win7, Ubuntu on my netbook gets only about 80% of the battery life.
[01:36] <DanaG> I wonder what they're doing to make the difference in win7.
[01:39] <robin0800> DanaG: http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/features/power-management.aspx
[01:46] <robin0800> DanaG: on second thoughts http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/01/06/windows-7-energy-efficiency.aspx
[01:50] <mazda01_> my lucid alpha 2 is freaking out. it's in a never ending loop trying to start file manager. i also can't start nautilus myself. it never opens. it's litterally freaking out!
[01:51] <mazda01_> all i did was add cairo-dock -o to the start up apps and also installed dropbox, it told me to reboot to finish install dropbox, and then when i rebooted it's in the never ending loop. i am guessing it's dropbox causing this freakout
[01:53] <DanaG> Also weird: resuming from suspend on battery gives missing C-states.
[01:55] <DanaG> http://www.pubbs.net/kernel/200911/53540/
[01:56] <simba_> is java working for you in ff3.6?
[01:57] <mazda01_> if only people could see my cursor, it keeps blinking back and forth between arrow and progress wheel when ubuntu is thinking. can anyone help?
[01:57] <mazda01_> also, I have no desktop icons
[01:58] <mazda01_> just wish I could stop it so that I don't have to do another fresh lucid install. i want to help work out the bugs
[02:01] <nomasteryoda> anyone know the answer to repairing the boot sequence for Lucid? Mine just hangs up while Karmic boots flawlessly on the same system
[02:04] <mazda01_> nomasteryoda, you're using grub2?
[02:06] <simba_> nomasteryoda, try booting the 2.6.32-10 kernel
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> ya ok
[02:06] <simba_> hold shift down when entering grub2
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> let me look to see what its calling
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:06] <nomasteryoda> i have updated using chroot
[02:07] <nomasteryoda> since I could not get into it to update
[02:07] <simba_> the install cd booted ok?
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> yup
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> its fine.
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> i used it to repair grub once before after a reinstall of windows 7
[02:24] <simba_> finalely java working again
[02:26] <mazda01_> just wish I could stop it so that I don't have to do another fresh lucid install. i want to help work out the bugs
[02:26] <mazda01_> if only people could see my cursor, it keeps blinking back and forth between arrow and progress wheel when ubuntu is thinking. can anyone help?
[02:26] <mazda01_> also, I have no desktop icons
[04:40] <un214> anybody know how to really turn off KMS?
[04:52] <bjsnider> no one wants to turn off kms
[04:59] <un214> Look I'm serious I want KMS gone
[04:59] <un214> trying to blacklist fbcon.ko didn't work
[04:59] <RAOF> You'd be after modeset=0.
[04:59] <un214> so add modeset=0 to /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[05:00] <RAOF> It depends on the actual driver; you'd be after $DRIVERNAME.modeset=0 (so i915.modeset=0 or nouveau.modeset=0, etc)
[05:00] <RAOF> Note that this won't actually work for nouveau soon; the UMS code has been removed from the nouveau driver.
[05:01] <RAOF> And the same will happen soon to the Intel driver.
[05:01] <un214> unfortunately KMS is incompatible w/ my hardware
[05:01] <RAOF> In what way “incompatible”?
[05:01] <un214> the alignment is wrong
[05:02] <un214> and my hardware does a better job of scaling text mode than the KMS driver does anyway
[05:03] <RAOF> Well, the kms code can probably be set to use the GPU scaling too.
[05:03] <un214> a KMS console cuts off the right 3 characters so I have a usable 77/25
[05:03] <RAOF> Is this an LCD or CRT monitor?
[05:03] <un214> LCD
[05:04] <RAOF> So, firstly you should file a bug; the ability to turn off KMS will be going away in the near future.
[05:05] <un214> I will compile my own kernel if I have to
[05:05] <RAOF> You won't be able to; the X drivers will just not be able to work without KMS.
[05:05] <RAOF> As I say - the nouveau driver already doesn't work without KMS.  It doesn't have any modesetting code.
[05:06] <un214> look the only driver that actually works on this hardware is the VESA driver anyway
[05:06] <RAOF> Moar bugs!
[05:06] <RAOF> What hardware is it?
[05:06] <un214> weird old nvidia
[05:06] <RAOF> Sweet.
[05:06] <RAOF> So, you don't have KMS enabled anyway.
[05:06] <un214> oh yes I do
[05:07] <RAOF> You've installed the nouveau driver?
[05:07] <un214> it scans as if it were a supported driver and doesn't quite work
[05:07] <un214> no
[05:07] <RAOF> Then you don't have KMS.
[05:07] <un214> I show a driver "nvidia" loaded
[05:07] <bjsnider> that's the bob
[05:07] <RAOF> The binary nvidia driver doesn't do KMS.
[05:07] <bjsnider> blob
[05:07] <un214> that's worse then
[05:07] <bjsnider> so actually the blob is causing your problems
[05:08] <bjsnider> which blob is it?
[05:08] <un214> not sure
[05:09] <un214> know what the command is to purge all nvidia blobs?
[05:09] <bjsnider> try checking jockey
[05:09] <un214> you see all I saw is somethign was switching to graphics mode rather than text mode with the newest kernel and it came out wrong. Somebody else told me kms was doing it.
[05:10] <bjsnider> if you're using one of the two blobs for old hardware you can expect numerous showstoppers
[05:10] <bjsnider> old graphics hardware should probably switch to vesa, or nv or nouveau
[05:11] <bjsnider> you can change this in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[05:11] <un214> /etc/X11/xorg.conf nonexistant
[05:11] <RAOF> bjsnider: I don't think what you're suggesting will help; it sounds like they're already using VESA, and their VTs are broken anyway.
[05:12] <RAOF> un214: Have your VTs worked with previous versions of Ubuntu?
[05:12] <un214> just fine
[05:12] <un214> I can boot the karmic kernel (still on the disk) and they work again
[05:12] <RAOF> And if you disable splash?
[05:13] <RAOF> (ie: remove “splash” from the kernel command line)
[05:13] <bjsnider> RAOF, i thought he said he had hte nvidia blob loaded
[05:13] <un214> It was loaded
[05:13] <un214> well let's see what unloading it does
[05:14] <RAOF> bjsnider: But the nvidia blob won't do anything to the VTs.  At least, before X starts.
[05:15] <RAOF> Well... the nvidia blob *shouldn't* do anything to the VTs before X starts :)
[05:16] <bjsnider> i thought he was having real problems
[05:17] <RAOF> VTs are pretty useful.
[05:17] <bjsnider> are they now
[05:21] <bjsnider> they're useful if your system is completely borked
[05:23] <un214> unloaded & purged nvidia driver
[05:23] <un214> problem still here
[05:23] <bjsnider> is your screen resolution normal outside of the vt?
[05:24] <un214> Screen resolution correct through early boot sequence
[05:24] <un214> goes hayware just before kjournald starting
[05:26] <un214> I'm curious, let's see what rinit=/bin/sh does
[05:31] <Nafai> Has the bug regarding the nvidia drivers mentioned in the Alpha 2 release notes been fixed?
[05:35] <un214> ok so I don't know how to pass kernel parameters in grub
[05:35] <un214> I noticed this line: Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
[06:14] <un214> I patched into /boot/initramfs.img to determine what step is causing it
[06:14] <un214> load udev -- boom
[06:15] <un214> it looks very much like the fbcon driver is the faulting driver here
[06:27] <un214> Finally got it fixed. Anybody want to take a guess as to what worked?
[06:28] <un214> mv fbcon.ko fbcon.ko.disabled && update-initramfs -c && shutdown -r now  and my console works again
[06:48] <onetinsoldier> un214: congrats! nice work
[07:48] <alkisg> Since about 3-4 weeks I have a blank icon in the systray for switching the keyboard layout. Is it supposed to be blank? Are some layout flags missing?
[08:42] <wzssyqa> i am using nautilus 2.29.2   i remembered that there is a pen at location entry,to switch from the two mode,now,i cannot find it
[09:28] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[10:09] <rtgz> Hi, all, I have googled for the answer but could not find one - it is not possible to enable menu icons in Lucid Lynx via GNOME appearance settings. Is it by design?
[10:12] <rtgz> Karmik Koala had the icons disabled but there was a tab in Appearance settings; this tab is now gone. I suspect that the corresponding gconf entry still exists, but.. are there any design guidelines for this?
[10:12] <Ian_Corne> rtgz: wondering the same
[10:14] <rtgz> /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons
[10:16] <rtgz> heeeey!
[10:16] <rtgz> the ability to customize toolbar labels is also gone
[10:17] <rtgz> I mean, I know what the icon means, i don't need big icons and text beside them...
[10:17] <rtgz> It is like... mmm.. how the people like to say..
[10:17] <rtgz> ah
[10:18] <rtgz> "I am not switching to Lucid Lynx because there are no icons in the menu!"
[10:18] <rtgz> :)
[10:34] <yofel> rtgz: you can use KDE :P
[10:35] <rtgz> yofel, erm... my wife IS using KDE... I don't think I can convert from GNOME to KDE :)
[10:35] <yofel> heh
[11:52] <kklimonda> not bad - under 25 seconds boot time on my laptop
[11:56] <BUGabundo_remote> blarg
[13:05] <afd_> hi guys! Is there a guide on how to make a broadcom wireless guide working on Lynx?
[13:21] <yofel> afd_: "Is there a guide on how to make a broadcom wireless guide working" huh? do you mean "broadcom wireless card"?
[13:22] <afd_> yofel: yes
[13:22] <yofel> could be, I don't know one, what card do you have?
[13:22] <afd_> looking for a guide on making my wireless broadcom card working on my laptop. I'm using Lucid Lynx updated to latest
[13:23] <afd_> BCM4312
[13:23] <afd_> I'm reading this at the moment, trying to install the STA drivers : http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt
[13:24] <yofel> that card should be covered by the 'bcmwl-kernel-source' package
[13:24] <afd_> I have it installed... what GUI can I use to set the network?
[13:26] <yofel> well, the network manager applet should show the networks, do you have wireless enabled? Is the kernel module loaded?
[13:26] <afd_> actually, looking in jockey-gtk, I have installed Broadcom STA too. I guess I'm looking for a way to configure the network
[13:27] <afd_> yofel: I don't think I have the applet installed, what is its name? This is a Kubuntu install with Gnome on it
[13:27] <afd_> maybe I didn't install all the gnome packages
[13:28] <afd_> network-admin doesn't have wifi related stuff
[13:28] <yofel> oh, kde, is 'knetworkmanager' running?
[13:29] <afd_> ah, I need network-manager-gnome
[13:29] <yofel> if you use kde, use knetworkmanager, for gnome nm-applet would be better, yes
[13:30] <afd_> with nm-applet I can see the networks
[13:30] <Volkodav> is FF 3,6 and TB-3,0 added to the repos yet ?
[13:30] <afd_> I'll disconnect the cable, to see if it works
[13:31] <yofel> Volkodav: FFX 3.6, yes (as 'firefox'). Thunderbird not yet afaik
[13:32] <Volkodav> hmm
[13:32] <Volkodav> so I may disable daily builds and install firefox I guess
[13:36] <afd__> yofel: it works, thanks!
[13:36] <yofel> :)
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:16] <onetinsoldier> Hello BluesKaj
[14:20] <BUGabundo_work> anyone still using pidgin ?
[14:21] <Volkodav> yea
[14:21] <BluesKaj> hi onetinsoldier
[14:23] <vega_> BUGabundo_work: yes because empathy does not support XMPP
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> doesn't support XMPP???
[14:25] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo_work
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> when did that happen vega_?
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> hey Kaj
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe.
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> 0x00007ffff798fd4c in __libc_send (fd=26, buf=<value optimized out>, n=<value optimized out>, flags=<value optimized out>) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/send.c:33
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> 33	../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/send.c: No such file or directory.
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> 	in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/send.c
[14:25] <BUGabundo_work> anyone else seeing this in pidgin ?
[14:26]  * BUGabundo_work checks for broken plugins
[14:26] <vega_> dunno, didn't find xmpp in protocol settings
[14:26] <vega_> maybe it's hidden behind some other name don't know, didn't have time to find out
[14:28] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[14:28] <BUGabundo_work> tried GTalk ?
[14:30] <BUGabundo_work> ok disabled a few plugins
[14:30] <BUGabundo_work> lets see if this keeps up
[14:34] <vega_> actually now when i started empathy and it imported settings from pidgin it works
[14:34] <simba_> in gnome terminal i use green on black colors, but it seem to change by it self to green on white some times, so i have to close and reopen to get black back. anyone else have this?
[14:34] <vega_> seems jabber == xmpp in empathy
[14:50] <onetinsoldier> simba_: yes... i'm getting that sometimes. the black becomes like it's washed out looking
[15:55] <A_I_> hello
[15:55] <A_I_> did someone test bacula on Lucid/amd64 .?
[15:55] <onetinsoldier> hi
[15:55] <A_I_> because it doesn't seem to work
[15:56] <BluesKaj> what's bacula ?
[15:56] <A_I_> backup software
[15:57] <Pici> Is there an error?
[15:57] <A_I_> no
[15:57] <A_I_> nothing
[15:57] <A_I_> I already talked about with people from bacula
[15:57] <A_I_> and I just wanted to know if someone had succeeded in using bacula on Lucid
[15:58] <Pici> Have you checked for bug reports in Launchpad?
[15:58] <A_I_> because the problem has appeared with bacula 3.0 and previous version of ubuntu has bacula 2.X
[15:58] <A_I_> no I didn't
[15:58] <A_I_> I'll do it right now
[16:05] <BluesKaj> I installed nautilus because dolphin and konqueror both die upon launch , except for /home/usr
[16:06] <BluesKaj> anything that requires permissions
[16:06] <BluesKaj> kde 4.4 is broken to some degree, i'm afraid
[16:08] <onetinsoldier> i'm not totally surprised. isn't kde-4.4 still a beta?
[16:09] <onetinsoldier> if so, you've got a beta kde running in a beta version of ubuntu ;-)
[16:11] <yofel> onetinsoldier: kde is rc2 actually, but they broke a few things since rc1 it seems
[16:12] <yofel> BluesKaj: they don't die here...
[16:13] <BluesKaj> yofel, i keep getting "the process for the file ptotocol died unexpectedly"
[16:13] <BluesKaj> err protocol
[16:15] <yofel> wait, I know that line...
[16:15] <BluesKaj> yofel, I made a small bash script and had to cp it to the /etc/init.d file
[16:15] <yofel> I don't remember from where though -.-
[16:16] <onetinsoldier> yofel: sorry.. had to go afk a bit there. but i hear ya
[16:17] <BluesKaj>  /etc/init.d for example dies
[16:22] <BluesKaj> interesting tho, nautilus opens the file using: gksudo nautilus /etc/init.d/  in the command box
[16:39] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:39] <_Groo_> networkmanager got a serious regression, its not updating nm-applet 3g modem list when i plug one
[16:39] <BUGabundo_work> hey _Groo_
[16:39] <_Groo_> BUGabundo_work: hey :)
[16:40] <BUGabundo_work> _Groo_: from what version?
[16:40] <_Groo_> BUGabundo_work: latest from lucid , 0.8 rc2
[16:40] <BUGabundo_work> cause it stop working even before 9.10 RC
[16:40] <BUGabundo_work> _Groo_: ask asac in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[16:40] <BUGabundo_work> its his handy work
[16:40] <_Groo_> BUGabundo_work: really? cause for me its intermittent, in 0.8git it worked, then in rc1/rc2 stopped working
[16:41] <_Groo_> BUGabundo_work: why mozillateam? :D
[16:41] <BUGabundo_work> there's where asac (who also work in FF) hangs
[16:55] <pasjr> has anyone one else lost use of plugins on firefox?
[17:01] <BUGabundo_work> nope
[17:01] <BUGabundo_work> but is it the same profile
[17:02] <BUGabundo_work> or a new one, after 3.6 upgrade pasjr?
[17:02] <BUGabundo_work> bah he left
[17:03] <onetinsoldier> bah
[17:03] <onetinsoldier> i thought he was still here too!
[17:58] <bitsfritz> Hello all,
[17:58] <bitsfritz> recently I discussed xmodmap problems. Look here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/01/25/%23ubuntu+1.html#t13:35
[17:59] <bitsfritz> Now I've setup a bug in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmodmap/+bug/512622
[18:01] <bitsfritz> anyone who can reproduce this, is encouraged to play with the "me too" button ;o))
[18:02] <FabioTheApe> reproduce what?
[18:05] <bitsfritz> xmodmap mapping keyboard, hmmm, funny :o)) Follow the steps mentioned in the bug description and You might see.
[18:35] <Viper550> http://www.neowin.net/news/ubtuntu-making-yahoo-default-search-engine Why.
[18:37] <charlie-tca> So canonical can start making money?
[18:38] <charlie-tca> I would think at some point, hiring more developers/workers without a profit becomes a bad business practice
[18:46] <simba_> lol...engadget went down during the coverage op ipadrelease
[19:00] <screen-x> simba_: they stayed up longer than ars
[19:01] <myrradin> you and your 'money'
[19:04] <sebsebseb> Hi
[19:06] <simba_> screen-x, was 112000 viewers on ustream earlyer, now only 90000. Hope there will be an ebook store like that for ubuntu soon.
[19:07] <screen-x> simba_: I dont use ebooks yet, but there must be a good reader for ubuntu already, and some stores that sell books in epub format?
[19:09] <simba_> screen-x, there are many formats, some has epub, but something that is gluing it all together is missing.
[19:09] <Pici> Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for non Lucid chat.  There are already a lot of people there discussing the ipad
[19:09] <screen-x> Pici: sorry...
[19:10] <myrradin> unless you manage to install lucid on the ipad
[19:11] <lukehasnoname> I'm looking to request a package be updated in Lucid
[19:12] <lukehasnoname> It's in Main, I'm wondering who I'd discuss this with or where to file a request
[19:19] <lukehasnoname> How often does the Lucid snapshot sync with Debian testing, until DIF?
[19:19] <Pici> lukehasnoname: Yes.
[19:21] <lukehasnoname> Pici: At what intervals? There is a package in Debian testing at version Y, while Lucid's (according to packages.ubuntu.com) has been at version X for a week
[19:21] <Pici> lukehasnoname: Which package?
[19:22] <lukehasnoname> virt-manager
[19:22] <lukehasnoname> it is in main, is that a reason?
[19:23] <Pici> lukehasnoname: Looks like there are ubuntu changes on that package, so it may need to be touched my a dev.  #ubuntu-devel should know better though.
[19:44] <lukehasnoname> Thanks
[21:02] <johanbr> is anyone else with an nvidia card getting "(EE) Jan 27 14:32:03 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module" ?
[21:43] <genii> johanbr: I was getting other GLX error msgs originally but am on the nvidia-vdpau ppa now
[21:44] <johanbr> genii, alright, I'll give that a try
[21:44] <johanbr> thank you
[21:50] <Ng> hrm, why is jackd being pulled in
[21:53] <Ng> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad is doing it
[21:53] <Ng> or is trying to :D
[22:06] <johanbr> genii, that just seems to be for media playback, though
[22:07] <johanbr> the error I pasted is from the X log file
[22:07] <hyperstream> Raliuga, in the topic is the link :)
[22:07] <Raliuga> oh ok, i will go to Windows and download it cuz with 2kbps... it will take like 1 week xD
[22:08] <hyperstream> lol :)
[22:11] <bjsnider> genii, you can't use hte ppa anymore because i removed the lucid drivers
[22:13] <genii> bjsnider: Perhaps thats why jockey is telling me "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version current) [Recommended]"
[22:15] <Raliuga> !nvidia
[22:16] <yofel> genii: that's the correct one from the repos, but it doesn't work with jockey yet afaik
[22:33] <BluesKaj> yofel, jockey isn't working correctly , it's recommending the wrong driver choice in a lot of cases
[22:51] <hyperstream> Im getting a warning about only being able to do a partial upgrade, what should i do ?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> anyone not seing alerts for power loss?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> I got 2 power loss cases this week, for not getting alerts of low power
[22:56] <yofel> BluesKaj: well yeah, I'm just telling people that want to install the nvidia driver that jockey is broken right now
[22:56] <BluesKaj> yofel, right
[23:11] <charlie-tca> hyperstream: You should not do a partial upgrade
[23:11] <hyperstream> charlie-tca, how can i make it do a full update *
[23:11] <hyperstream> charlie-tca, via the update-manager
[23:11] <onetinsoldier> hyperstream: sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:12] <hyperstream> says: Not all updates can be installed, do a partial upgrade to install as many updates as possible, grab a new cd and reinstall ?
[23:13] <charlie-tca> seems dangerous, though. If update manager says it can only do a partial upgrade, forcing it usually breaks things
[23:13] <hyperstream> yeah ive had that issue before hand
[23:13] <onetinsoldier> not all updates can be installed? hmmm
[23:13] <onetinsoldier> what version of ubuntu are you upgrading from?
[23:14] <charlie-tca> If you want to be safe, you wait for the rest of the upgrades to be added.
[23:14] <hyperstream> im running lucid trying to use the update manager
[23:14] <onetinsoldier> hyperstream: roger
[23:14] <onetinsoldier> hyperstream: then try.... sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:15] <hyperstream> charlie-tca, been like this for a few weeks, thought along the same lines as your previous post
[23:16] <hyperstream> Is there anyway i can find out which packages wont install etc?
[23:16] <onetinsoldier> no luck with --> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade?
[23:17] <prefrontal> after upgrading to lucid i don't get dns name resolution unless i do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[23:17] <prefrontal> then everything works perfectly
[23:18] <hyperstream> onetinsoldier, scared to try it lol
[23:18] <charlie-tca> You can use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, read the packages it says won't install, then hit "n" to not do anything
[23:18] <onetinsoldier> hyperstream: it will show you what it's going to do first
[23:18] <hyperstream> ok ill give both a shot, will get back to you guys shortly
[23:18] <hyperstream> thanks
[23:19] <onetinsoldier> hyperstream: does that command show that it's going to upgrade a lot of packages?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> hyperstream: if aptitude safe upgrade will tell the packages, use it
[23:20] <hyperstream> ok, there is alot with safe-upgrade:
[23:20] <hyperstream> 385 packages upgraded, 25 newly installed, 5 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[23:20] <hyperstream> Need to get 300MB of archives. After unpacking 159MB will be used.
[23:20] <onetinsoldier> if you haven't been able to update in a long time and safe-upgrade shows a lot that it will update, then i think you should go for it :-)
[23:20] <onetinsoldier> if you haven't been able to update in a long time and safe-upgrade shows a lot that it will update *a lot of packages*, then i think you should go for it :-)
[23:20] <prefrontal> i just finished a dist-upgrade, stable enough for my use
[23:21] <hyperstream> dist-upgrade has the following:
[23:21] <hyperstream> 386 packages upgraded, 28 newly installed, 6 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:21] <hyperstream> Need to get 303MB of archives. After unpacking 165MB will be used.
[23:21] <hyperstream> pretty close if you ask me :)
[23:21] <onetinsoldier> hehe
[23:22] <charlie-tca> What is the package the safe-upgrade won't install?
[23:22] <hyperstream> charlie-tca, both say this: The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
[23:22] <hyperstream>   ttf-lyx
[23:23] <charlie-tca> onetinsoldier: run the safe-upgrade???
[23:23] <onetinsoldier> hyperstream: you can ignore that 'recommends' package
[23:23] <charlie-tca> It has 3 less new packages, which might be the ones on hold
[23:23] <onetinsoldier> i'd run the safe-upgrade and restart... then see what full-upgrade would do
[23:24] <charlie-tca> I have to agree with that. At least that brings the package list down to something you can see easier.
[23:24] <hyperstream> Heh, just found out im capped, wont be doing anything till the 7th of next month >< FML, Australia FTL
[23:24] <onetinsoldier> just to see what it would do.. i wouldn't necessarily run the full-upgrade. but, it will only be a few packages to see out of curiosity after the safe-upgrade
[23:25] <onetinsoldier> hyperstream: awww, bummer :(
[23:25] <hyperstream> Thanks tho guys, ill definatly do a safe-upgrade
[23:25] <onetinsoldier> roger. good luck
[23:25] <hyperstream> onetinsoldier, 30Gig's $130 a month..
[23:25] <hyperstream> Gone lol
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Well, by that time, the issues could resolve and everything will update
[23:26] <hyperstream> charlie-tca, that is true :)
[23:26] <onetinsoldier> hyperstream: i hear ya. pretty expensive
[23:26] <onetinsoldier> sort of. 30 gigs is quite bit!
[23:26] <onetinsoldier> 1 gig a day keeps the doctor away
[23:26] <hyperstream> thing is with aussie is the 24month contracts.... there are isp's out now that have 80-90gigs for $80 a month
[23:27] <onetinsoldier> roger. we're getting into off-topic now. but i hear ya
[23:27] <hyperstream> Opps, my bad :) anyways, thanks guys
[23:28] <onetinsoldier> cheers :-)