[00:03] crimsun, well, how can unmonopolize the sound card. im telling you, it's that "system testing" within the system, admin menu [00:14] anyone know why the system testing menu item within system, admin, takes over my sound card and then changes the sound preferences out put to dummy output? there isn't even a hardware device within the sound hardware tab? [00:14] here's alsa-info.sh: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=f4a710fd8bb4adbfedb28890c28849058104b3f5 [00:41] Hi [00:42] I can switch viewports using ctrl-alt-arrow, but I can't close windows using the X [00:42] Or click on windows [00:42] I can type into them [00:43] I killed some processes, gcalctool and firefox that I had open [00:43] I could temporarily move the windows, but then it "froze" again [00:45] Any help? [00:47] wow. hmmm, i don't know right offhand [00:47] Has anyone else experienced this? [00:47] I think this is really weird. I almost never get crashes or freezes [00:48] I can also start applications using Alt-f2 [00:48] this is in just regular, plain-jane, lucid? [00:48] Yeah [00:48] GNOME, haven't done much modifications to it [00:48] did you just upgrade to lucid just now? or? [00:48] Keys work (I can make a new tab in a terminal) [00:49] did you install lucid fresh? [00:49] Fresh install [00:49] roger [00:49] using the Alpha2 CD? or a daily-build? [00:49] Also, I tried killing another application, leafpad, thinking it would give me some time to move windows, but it didn't [00:49] hmm [00:49] How do I find out? [00:49] I think I am using alpha 1 [00:50] i installed using the Alpha2 CD just a couple of hours after it was released, which was like, about a week ago [00:50] I remember you can use a keyboard key to "grab" a window and move it [00:50] What is that, so I can try it? [00:50] i haven't had many problems myself [00:51] also, I can't click the menus or taskbar [00:51] i downloaded it from Softpedia [00:51] i think. maybe not. that was where i saw the news that Alpha2 had just come out [00:52] Spreadsheet: the 'alt' key? [00:52] to grab a window? [00:52] Nope, can't grab it [00:52] roger [00:52] How do I use apport? [00:53] Do I just run apport-something from the terminal? Will it automatically file a bug? [00:53] don't know. i've never used. i think it comes up automatically if it detects a crash though [00:53] an appcrash [00:53] try 'man apport' [00:54] or 'apropos apport' [00:54] apport isn't a single command [00:54] ahh, roger [00:54] i did --> apropos apport [00:55] and i'd say... try the 'ubuntu-bug' command [00:55] ok [00:55] however. it'd be interesting to solve it. but i'm not sure what's wrong. are you all upgraded to the lastest? [00:55] I can't specify a package [00:56] are you sure you are fully upgraded? [00:56] I'm not upgraded, I don't like upgrades [00:56] if you installed the Alpha1, you should definitely upgrade to the latest packages that are available [00:57] the latest Lucid [00:57] Then I will need to restart [00:58] yes. after updating to the latest, you'd probably need to restart [00:58] I mean to get it working [00:58] Being able to move windows around [00:58] oh [00:58] i see [00:58] I have a screen session, so I will stay her [00:58] *here [00:58] I will shutdown and then reboot [00:59] bbl [00:59] roger [00:59] good luck [01:08] Back [01:08] I had to do something [01:09] onetinsoldier: hello? [01:10] It says I can only do a partial update === mewshi_nya is now known as mewshi [01:12] quit [01:16] Spreadsheet: oh? [01:17] Spreadsheet: can i see the full message? [01:17] Ok [01:17] are you using a graphical package manager? or, what command did you use? [01:17] update-manager [01:18] roger [01:18] Not all updates can be installed: Run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible [01:18] how about i give you a few 'aptitude' commands to run? [01:18] actually, just one [01:19] wait [01:19] try 'aptitude safe-upgrade' [01:19] ok [01:19] I want to remove all unnecessary stuff [01:20] sudo aptitude autoremove? [01:20] fffuu [01:20] what's wrong? [01:21] These packagers don't know what they are doing [01:21] To remove smbclient, I also have to remove ubuntu-desktop [01:21] well, ubuntu-desktop depends on smbclient [01:22] err, think i have that backawards [01:23] anyway... having any luck yet? [01:23] Still 149mb [01:23] roger [01:23] I don't want to download that much [01:23] Updates aren't causing the problem [01:24] after this is all done. go into aptitude, or maybe synaptic will work to, and the options is a place to uncheck to 'install recommends' [01:28] wb [01:29] still downloading Spreadsheet? [01:30] I'm not upgrading [01:31] roger [01:36] weird... compared to win7, Ubuntu on my netbook gets only about 80% of the battery life. [01:36] I wonder what they're doing to make the difference in win7. [01:39] DanaG: http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/features/power-management.aspx [01:46] DanaG: on second thoughts http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/01/06/windows-7-energy-efficiency.aspx [01:50] my lucid alpha 2 is freaking out. it's in a never ending loop trying to start file manager. i also can't start nautilus myself. it never opens. it's litterally freaking out! [01:51] all i did was add cairo-dock -o to the start up apps and also installed dropbox, it told me to reboot to finish install dropbox, and then when i rebooted it's in the never ending loop. i am guessing it's dropbox causing this freakout [01:53] Also weird: resuming from suspend on battery gives missing C-states. [01:55] http://www.pubbs.net/kernel/200911/53540/ [01:56] is java working for you in ff3.6? [01:57] if only people could see my cursor, it keeps blinking back and forth between arrow and progress wheel when ubuntu is thinking. can anyone help? [01:57] also, I have no desktop icons [01:58] just wish I could stop it so that I don't have to do another fresh lucid install. i want to help work out the bugs [02:01] anyone know the answer to repairing the boot sequence for Lucid? Mine just hangs up while Karmic boots flawlessly on the same system [02:04] nomasteryoda, you're using grub2? [02:06] nomasteryoda, try booting the 2.6.32-10 kernel [02:06] ya ok [02:06] hold shift down when entering grub2 [02:06] let me look to see what its calling [02:06] ya [02:06] i have updated using chroot [02:07] since I could not get into it to update [02:07] the install cd booted ok? [02:10] yup [02:10] its fine. [02:11] i used it to repair grub once before after a reinstall of windows 7 [02:24] finalely java working again [02:26] just wish I could stop it so that I don't have to do another fresh lucid install. i want to help work out the bugs [02:26] if only people could see my cursor, it keeps blinking back and forth between arrow and progress wheel when ubuntu is thinking. can anyone help? [02:26] also, I have no desktop icons === KB1JWQ_ is now known as KB1JWQ [04:40] anybody know how to really turn off KMS? [04:52] no one wants to turn off kms [04:59] Look I'm serious I want KMS gone [04:59] trying to blacklist fbcon.ko didn't work [04:59] You'd be after modeset=0. [04:59] so add modeset=0 to /boot/grub/menu.lst? [05:00] It depends on the actual driver; you'd be after $DRIVERNAME.modeset=0 (so i915.modeset=0 or nouveau.modeset=0, etc) [05:00] Note that this won't actually work for nouveau soon; the UMS code has been removed from the nouveau driver. [05:01] And the same will happen soon to the Intel driver. [05:01] unfortunately KMS is incompatible w/ my hardware [05:01] In what way “incompatible”? [05:01] the alignment is wrong [05:02] and my hardware does a better job of scaling text mode than the KMS driver does anyway [05:03] Well, the kms code can probably be set to use the GPU scaling too. [05:03] a KMS console cuts off the right 3 characters so I have a usable 77/25 [05:03] Is this an LCD or CRT monitor? [05:03] LCD [05:04] So, firstly you should file a bug; the ability to turn off KMS will be going away in the near future. [05:05] I will compile my own kernel if I have to [05:05] You won't be able to; the X drivers will just not be able to work without KMS. [05:05] As I say - the nouveau driver already doesn't work without KMS. It doesn't have any modesetting code. [05:06] look the only driver that actually works on this hardware is the VESA driver anyway [05:06] Moar bugs! [05:06] What hardware is it? [05:06] weird old nvidia [05:06] Sweet. [05:06] So, you don't have KMS enabled anyway. [05:06] oh yes I do [05:07] You've installed the nouveau driver? [05:07] it scans as if it were a supported driver and doesn't quite work [05:07] no [05:07] Then you don't have KMS. [05:07] I show a driver "nvidia" loaded [05:07] that's the bob [05:07] The binary nvidia driver doesn't do KMS. [05:07] blob [05:07] that's worse then [05:07] so actually the blob is causing your problems [05:08] which blob is it? [05:08] not sure [05:09] know what the command is to purge all nvidia blobs? [05:09] try checking jockey [05:09] you see all I saw is somethign was switching to graphics mode rather than text mode with the newest kernel and it came out wrong. Somebody else told me kms was doing it. [05:10] if you're using one of the two blobs for old hardware you can expect numerous showstoppers [05:10] old graphics hardware should probably switch to vesa, or nv or nouveau [05:11] you can change this in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file [05:11] /etc/X11/xorg.conf nonexistant [05:11] bjsnider: I don't think what you're suggesting will help; it sounds like they're already using VESA, and their VTs are broken anyway. [05:12] un214: Have your VTs worked with previous versions of Ubuntu? [05:12] just fine [05:12] I can boot the karmic kernel (still on the disk) and they work again [05:12] And if you disable splash? [05:13] (ie: remove “splash” from the kernel command line) [05:13] RAOF, i thought he said he had hte nvidia blob loaded [05:13] It was loaded [05:13] well let's see what unloading it does [05:14] bjsnider: But the nvidia blob won't do anything to the VTs. At least, before X starts. [05:15] Well... the nvidia blob *shouldn't* do anything to the VTs before X starts :) [05:16] i thought he was having real problems [05:17] VTs are pretty useful. [05:17] are they now [05:21] they're useful if your system is completely borked [05:23] unloaded & purged nvidia driver [05:23] problem still here [05:23] is your screen resolution normal outside of the vt? [05:24] Screen resolution correct through early boot sequence [05:24] goes hayware just before kjournald starting [05:26] I'm curious, let's see what rinit=/bin/sh does [05:31] Has the bug regarding the nvidia drivers mentioned in the Alpha 2 release notes been fixed? [05:35] ok so I don't know how to pass kernel parameters in grub [05:35] I noticed this line: Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30 [06:14] I patched into /boot/initramfs.img to determine what step is causing it [06:14] load udev -- boom [06:15] it looks very much like the fbcon driver is the faulting driver here [06:27] Finally got it fixed. Anybody want to take a guess as to what worked? [06:28] mv fbcon.ko fbcon.ko.disabled && update-initramfs -c && shutdown -r now and my console works again [06:48] un214: congrats! nice work === ripps_ is now known as ripps [07:48] Since about 3-4 weeks I have a blank icon in the systray for switching the keyboard layout. Is it supposed to be blank? Are some layout flags missing? [08:42] i am using nautilus 2.29.2 i remembered that there is a pen at location entry,to switch from the two mode,now,i cannot find it === chris|| is now known as chris| [09:28] morning [10:09] Hi, all, I have googled for the answer but could not find one - it is not possible to enable menu icons in Lucid Lynx via GNOME appearance settings. Is it by design? [10:12] Karmik Koala had the icons disabled but there was a tab in Appearance settings; this tab is now gone. I suspect that the corresponding gconf entry still exists, but.. are there any design guidelines for this? [10:12] rtgz: wondering the same [10:14] /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons [10:16] heeeey! [10:16] the ability to customize toolbar labels is also gone [10:17] I mean, I know what the icon means, i don't need big icons and text beside them... [10:17] It is like... mmm.. how the people like to say.. [10:17] ah [10:18] "I am not switching to Lucid Lynx because there are no icons in the menu!" [10:18] :) [10:34] rtgz: you can use KDE :P [10:35] yofel, erm... my wife IS using KDE... I don't think I can convert from GNOME to KDE :) [10:35] heh [11:52] not bad - under 25 seconds boot time on my laptop [11:56] blarg === BUGabundo_remote is now known as BUGabundo_lunch === rtgz is now known as rtg|away|z [13:05] hi guys! Is there a guide on how to make a broadcom wireless guide working on Lynx? [13:21] afd_: "Is there a guide on how to make a broadcom wireless guide working" huh? do you mean "broadcom wireless card"? [13:22] yofel: yes [13:22] could be, I don't know one, what card do you have? [13:22] looking for a guide on making my wireless broadcom card working on my laptop. I'm using Lucid Lynx updated to latest [13:23] BCM4312 [13:23] I'm reading this at the moment, trying to install the STA drivers : http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt [13:24] that card should be covered by the 'bcmwl-kernel-source' package [13:24] I have it installed... what GUI can I use to set the network? [13:26] well, the network manager applet should show the networks, do you have wireless enabled? Is the kernel module loaded? [13:26] actually, looking in jockey-gtk, I have installed Broadcom STA too. I guess I'm looking for a way to configure the network [13:27] yofel: I don't think I have the applet installed, what is its name? This is a Kubuntu install with Gnome on it [13:27] maybe I didn't install all the gnome packages [13:28] network-admin doesn't have wifi related stuff [13:28] oh, kde, is 'knetworkmanager' running? [13:29] ah, I need network-manager-gnome [13:29] if you use kde, use knetworkmanager, for gnome nm-applet would be better, yes [13:30] with nm-applet I can see the networks [13:30] is FF 3,6 and TB-3,0 added to the repos yet ? [13:30] I'll disconnect the cable, to see if it works [13:31] Volkodav: FFX 3.6, yes (as 'firefox'). Thunderbird not yet afaik [13:32] hmm [13:32] so I may disable daily builds and install firefox I guess [13:36] yofel: it works, thanks! [13:36] :) [14:08] Howdy [14:16] Hello BluesKaj === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo_work [14:20] anyone still using pidgin ? [14:21] yea [14:21] hi onetinsoldier [14:23] BUGabundo_work: yes because empathy does not support XMPP [14:25] doesn't support XMPP??? [14:25] hey BUGabundo_work [14:25] when did that happen vega_? [14:25] hey Kaj [14:25] Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe. [14:25] 0x00007ffff798fd4c in __libc_send (fd=26, buf=, n=, flags=) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/send.c:33 [14:25] 33 ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/send.c: No such file or directory. [14:25] in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/send.c [14:25] anyone else seeing this in pidgin ? [14:26] * BUGabundo_work checks for broken plugins [14:26] dunno, didn't find xmpp in protocol settings [14:26] maybe it's hidden behind some other name don't know, didn't have time to find out [14:28] humm [14:28] tried GTalk ? [14:30] ok disabled a few plugins [14:30] lets see if this keeps up [14:34] actually now when i started empathy and it imported settings from pidgin it works [14:34] in gnome terminal i use green on black colors, but it seem to change by it self to green on white some times, so i have to close and reopen to get black back. anyone else have this? [14:34] seems jabber == xmpp in empathy === cjohnston is now known as FFEMTcJ === FFEMTcJ is now known as cjohnston [14:50] simba_: yes... i'm getting that sometimes. the black becomes like it's washed out looking [15:55] hello [15:55] did someone test bacula on Lucid/amd64 .? [15:55] hi [15:55] because it doesn't seem to work [15:56] what's bacula ? [15:56] backup software [15:57] Is there an error? [15:57] no [15:57] nothing [15:57] I already talked about with people from bacula [15:57] and I just wanted to know if someone had succeeded in using bacula on Lucid [15:58] Have you checked for bug reports in Launchpad? [15:58] because the problem has appeared with bacula 3.0 and previous version of ubuntu has bacula 2.X [15:58] no I didn't [15:58] I'll do it right now === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:05] I installed nautilus because dolphin and konqueror both die upon launch , except for /home/usr [16:06] anything that requires permissions [16:06] kde 4.4 is broken to some degree, i'm afraid [16:08] i'm not totally surprised. isn't kde-4.4 still a beta? [16:09] if so, you've got a beta kde running in a beta version of ubuntu ;-) [16:11] onetinsoldier: kde is rc2 actually, but they broke a few things since rc1 it seems [16:12] BluesKaj: they don't die here... [16:13] yofel, i keep getting "the process for the file ptotocol died unexpectedly" [16:13] err protocol [16:15] wait, I know that line... [16:15] yofel, I made a small bash script and had to cp it to the /etc/init.d file [16:15] I don't remember from where though -.- [16:16] yofel: sorry.. had to go afk a bit there. but i hear ya [16:17] /etc/init.d for example dies [16:22] interesting tho, nautilus opens the file using: gksudo nautilus /etc/init.d/ in the command box === repete is now known as repete-afk [16:39] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [16:39] <_Groo_> networkmanager got a serious regression, its not updating nm-applet 3g modem list when i plug one [16:39] hey _Groo_ [16:39] <_Groo_> BUGabundo_work: hey :) [16:40] _Groo_: from what version? [16:40] <_Groo_> BUGabundo_work: latest from lucid , 0.8 rc2 [16:40] cause it stop working even before 9.10 RC [16:40] _Groo_: ask asac in #ubuntu-mozillateam [16:40] its his handy work [16:40] <_Groo_> BUGabundo_work: really? cause for me its intermittent, in 0.8git it worked, then in rc1/rc2 stopped working [16:41] <_Groo_> BUGabundo_work: why mozillateam? :D [16:41] there's where asac (who also work in FF) hangs [16:55] has anyone one else lost use of plugins on firefox? [17:01] nope [17:01] but is it the same profile [17:02] or a new one, after 3.6 upgrade pasjr? [17:02] bah he left [17:03] bah [17:03] i thought he was still here too! [17:58] Hello all, [17:58] recently I discussed xmodmap problems. Look here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/01/25/%23ubuntu+1.html#t13:35 [17:59] Now I've setup a bug in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmodmap/+bug/512622 [17:59] Ubuntu bug 512622 in xmodmap "xmodmap maps keyboard unusable" [Undecided,New] [18:01] anyone who can reproduce this, is encouraged to play with the "me too" button ;o)) [18:02] reproduce what? [18:05] xmodmap mapping keyboard, hmmm, funny :o)) Follow the steps mentioned in the bug description and You might see. === repete-afk is now known as repete [18:35] http://www.neowin.net/news/ubtuntu-making-yahoo-default-search-engine Why. [18:37] So canonical can start making money? [18:38] I would think at some point, hiring more developers/workers without a profit becomes a bad business practice [18:46] lol...engadget went down during the coverage op ipadrelease [19:00] simba_: they stayed up longer than ars [19:01] you and your 'money' [19:04] Hi [19:06] screen-x, was 112000 viewers on ustream earlyer, now only 90000. Hope there will be an ebook store like that for ubuntu soon. [19:07] simba_: I dont use ebooks yet, but there must be a good reader for ubuntu already, and some stores that sell books in epub format? [19:09] screen-x, there are many formats, some has epub, but something that is gluing it all together is missing. [19:09] Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for non Lucid chat. There are already a lot of people there discussing the ipad [19:09] Pici: sorry... [19:10] unless you manage to install lucid on the ipad [19:11] I'm looking to request a package be updated in Lucid [19:12] It's in Main, I'm wondering who I'd discuss this with or where to file a request [19:19] How often does the Lucid snapshot sync with Debian testing, until DIF? [19:19] lukehasnoname: Yes. [19:21] Pici: At what intervals? There is a package in Debian testing at version Y, while Lucid's (according to packages.ubuntu.com) has been at version X for a week [19:21] lukehasnoname: Which package? [19:22] virt-manager [19:22] it is in main, is that a reason? [19:23] lukehasnoname: Looks like there are ubuntu changes on that package, so it may need to be touched my a dev. #ubuntu-devel should know better though. [19:44] Thanks === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [21:02] is anyone else with an nvidia card getting "(EE) Jan 27 14:32:03 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module" ? === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [21:43] johanbr: I was getting other GLX error msgs originally but am on the nvidia-vdpau ppa now [21:44] genii, alright, I'll give that a try [21:44] thank you [21:50] hrm, why is jackd being pulled in [21:53] gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad is doing it [21:53] or is trying to :D [22:06] genii, that just seems to be for media playback, though [22:07] the error I pasted is from the X log file [22:07] Raliuga, in the topic is the link :) [22:07] oh ok, i will go to Windows and download it cuz with 2kbps... it will take like 1 week xD [22:08] lol :) [22:11] genii, you can't use hte ppa anymore because i removed the lucid drivers [22:13] bjsnider: Perhaps thats why jockey is telling me "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version current) [Recommended]" [22:15] !nvidia [22:15] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment [22:16] genii: that's the correct one from the repos, but it doesn't work with jockey yet afaik [22:33] yofel, jockey isn't working correctly , it's recommending the wrong driver choice in a lot of cases === RAOF is now known as RAOF_ === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF [22:51] Im getting a warning about only being able to do a partial upgrade, what should i do ? [22:51] anyone not seing alerts for power loss? [22:51] I got 2 power loss cases this week, for not getting alerts of low power [22:56] BluesKaj: well yeah, I'm just telling people that want to install the nvidia driver that jockey is broken right now [22:56] yofel, right === emma_ is now known as emma [23:11] hyperstream: You should not do a partial upgrade [23:11] charlie-tca, how can i make it do a full update * [23:11] charlie-tca, via the update-manager [23:11] hyperstream: sudo aptitude full-upgrade [23:12] says: Not all updates can be installed, do a partial upgrade to install as many updates as possible, grab a new cd and reinstall ? [23:13] seems dangerous, though. If update manager says it can only do a partial upgrade, forcing it usually breaks things [23:13] yeah ive had that issue before hand [23:13] not all updates can be installed? hmmm [23:13] what version of ubuntu are you upgrading from? [23:14] If you want to be safe, you wait for the rest of the upgrades to be added. [23:14] im running lucid trying to use the update manager [23:14] hyperstream: roger [23:14] hyperstream: then try.... sudo aptitude safe-upgrade [23:15] charlie-tca, been like this for a few weeks, thought along the same lines as your previous post [23:16] Is there anyway i can find out which packages wont install etc? [23:16] no luck with --> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade? [23:17] after upgrading to lucid i don't get dns name resolution unless i do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 [23:17] then everything works perfectly [23:18] onetinsoldier, scared to try it lol [23:18] You can use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, read the packages it says won't install, then hit "n" to not do anything [23:18] hyperstream: it will show you what it's going to do first [23:18] ok ill give both a shot, will get back to you guys shortly [23:18] thanks [23:19] hyperstream: does that command show that it's going to upgrade a lot of packages? [23:19]