| * vish sigh | 09:56 | |
| wedderburn | whats up? | 09:56 |
|---|---|---|
| vish | damn lp locked me out just when i was about to update breather branding > https://launchpad.net/breathe-icon-set | 09:56 |
| vish | breathe* | 09:56 |
| wedderburn | not fun :\ | 09:57 |
| wedderburn | vish: so is breath the defacto alternative icon set for ubuntu? | 10:10 |
| vish | wedderburn: nope | 10:10 |
| vish | wedderburn: its just a community icon set which can be installed from repos | 10:11 |
| wedderburn | ah my bad, thought it was included as a alternative theme | 10:11 |
| vish | mat_t: hi... Upstream wants a response regarding the ad-hoc icon in the network manager menu | 10:22 |
| mat_t | vish: k, what is the question exactly? | 10:22 |
| vish | mat_t: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504822 | 10:23 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 504822 in nm-applet "Get better icons (larger, better styled, etc)" [Enhancement,New] | 10:23 |
| mat_t | thx, looking | 10:23 |
| vish | oops wrong bug | 10:23 |
| mat_t | ok, not looking :) | 10:23 |
| vish | mat_t: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607577 | 10:24 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 607577 in nm-applet "[enh] better adhoc icon" [Enhancement,Needinfo] | 10:24 |
| mat_t | thx :) | 10:25 |
| vish | np.. :) | 10:25 |
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| thorwil | troy_s: hi! what happened to whatever you wanted to try based on my title page SVG? | 17:30 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I was just looking at something. | 17:31 |
| thorwil | troy_s: something strange happened. our proposal to continue with a team and a process working from goals over audience, tone, message towards actual design got accepted | 17:32 |
| troy_s | thorwil: That's terrific. Now the hard work starts - you have an obligation to _prove_ that the execution / output quality will yield better dividends than had that decision not been made. | 17:33 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I sincerely hope you guys can accomplish it. | 17:34 |
| troy_s | thorwil: And women maybe? | 17:34 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Made a really crap assumption there... sorry. | 17:34 |
| thorwil | troy_s: no. David Nel (made the footprint and laptop proposals) didn't reply. so the team is vish, wolter and yours truly | 17:36 |
| thorwil | troy_s: plus the guy responsible for LaTeX | 17:36 |
| troy_s | thorwil: ??? | 17:37 |
| troy_s | thorwil: LaTeX? The guy generating the actual document output? | 17:37 |
| thorwil | troy_s: who already told me that its's very hard to impossible to realize grid alignment with latex (the default seems to be to work with flexible whitespace spread across the page) | 17:38 |
| thorwil | troy_s: yes, he's responsible for implementing the layout, font choices, typesetting | 17:38 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I can't comment. I do know that there are some _extremely_ high end typesetters that discuss the merits of LaTeX. I can't imagine for a second that you can't design something as critical as a grid with it. But again, I _cannot_ comment with any shred of authority. | 17:39 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I'd bet "grid latex" generates a few hits. | 17:40 |
| thorwil | troy_s: i intend to have word regarding page margins, but otherwise leave the field to him, basically | 17:40 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Just avoid opinion and use Bringhurst. | 17:40 |
| thorwil | troy_s: yes. discussions about it being hard to impossible ;) | 17:40 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The easiest choice is to concede to someone that knows far more about typesetting than anyone around these parts. ;) | 17:41 |
| troy_s | thorwil: And _anyone_ that questions that authority should probably give their heads a shake. Which is why it is a _deadly_ easy 'recipe' | 17:41 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Not the _only_ recipe, but it is hard to argue against Bringhurst with the experience level of the culture. | 17:41 |
| thorwil | yeah, though i'd like to avoid an argument from authority | 17:42 |
| troy_s | thorwil: That's the point. It is impossible to get into one. | 17:42 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It's like arguing with Dali about surrealism. | 17:42 |
| troy_s | thorwil: You _could_ but anyone with at least two braincells would easily spot how foolish you would look doing so. | 17:43 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The points are pretty clear: 1) Yes there are options. 2) Yes there are other presentations. 3) Yes there are no absolutist rules. 4) Knowing (1), (2), and (3) and guessing at the ability / experience of just about everyone this side of Tschichold, it is _damn_ hard to argue that Bringhurst's outlines / blueprints will deliver something _awful_. | 17:44 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It probably doesn't mean anything radical in practical terms anyways. | 17:45 |
| troy_s | thorwil: In fact, just the opposite. | 17:45 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The upside of LaTeX is that it _will_ allow you fine grained control over point size and leading. | 17:46 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Which many apps don't (helloooooo Inkscrape) | 17:46 |
| thorwil | yes, it has some very nice characteristics. just never was a complete solution for my own needs | 17:46 |
| * thorwil got into layout learning quarkxpress | 17:47 | |
| troy_s | thorwil: Needs refine. Anyways, I _really_ hope the output goes smoothly. | 17:47 |
| troy_s | thorwil: You three _really_ need to aim for the fences and not strike out. | 17:47 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It is no easy task to not suck. Lol. | 17:48 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Start with the type. The typefaces on _all_ of those covers is simply nasty. | 17:52 |
| troy_s | thorwil: That is perhaps the biggest glaring 'Yikes'. | 17:52 |
| troy_s | thorwil: This might interest you - http://projects.blender.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498&aid=20773&group_id=9 | 17:56 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Tested it and it _works_. Simply _awesome_. | 17:56 |
| thorwil | troy_s: that link wants a login. tell me what to search for, instead | 17:57 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The projects site is logon only. It's a bug report. | 17:57 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Can't explain it... uh... let me render something very very quickly. | 17:58 |
| thorwil | troy_s: dinner time, back in 30 to 40 minutes | 17:58 |
| troy_s | thorwil: http://s3.amazonaws.com/GZips/thorwil0001_0096.dvd | 18:06 |
| thorwil | troy_s: what am i looking at, camera orientation dependent motion blur? | 18:35 |
| troy_s | No. | 18:35 |
| troy_s | thorwil: That is strictly in the 2D compositor | 18:35 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The origin of the directional blur off of a simple avi is animated along the x axis. | 18:36 |
| troy_s | thorwil: You can now animate _any_ variable. | 18:36 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Might be hard to wrap your head around. It is _extremely_ powerful. | 18:36 |
| thorwil | troy_s: yeah, 2.5 has to be awesome | 18:37 |
| thorwil | inkscape folks already talk about gsoc 2010 | 18:40 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It's mind numbing. | 18:40 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Strictly for 2D animation | 18:40 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Blender slays. | 18:41 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The compositor is worth its weight in gold. | 18:41 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Or even static 2D imaging. | 18:41 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It really destroys every other tool we have. | 18:41 |
| thorwil | troy_s: how do you do lighting-independent 2d with gradients in blender? | 18:43 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Sorry... rephrase. | 18:44 |
| troy_s | thorwil: As in avoid the 3D? | 18:44 |
| thorwil | troy_s: yes, if you use blender for 2d animation, how to handle color fills? | 18:45 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Well technically you can still define shapes (ala Inkscape) via the 3D interface - just lock yourself into 2D. | 18:45 |
| troy_s | thorwil: If you use an orthagonal camera, everything behaves as expected. Materials just set to 'emit' as opposed to using a light. | 18:45 |
| thorwil | that part is clear | 18:45 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Make sense? | 18:45 |
| thorwil | still open how one would do a gradient fill on a 2d surface | 18:46 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Oh you mean a literal fill on a surface. Haven't tried. Not sure you can specify it. That is the domain of a deep colour image editor... Oh wait... we don't have any. Krita maybe? | 18:48 |
| thorwil | last time i tried krita i dropped it because it wouldn't give me a gradient fill without creating a preset :) | 18:50 |
| thorwil | so things i want regarding bitmap editing are spread across gimp, krita and mypaint, currently. | 18:52 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Not really | 18:54 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Remember, you can't get say, deep colour and use any other tool that doesn't support it. | 18:54 |
| troy_s | thorwil: So GIMP is crippled, Inkscape is crippled etc. | 18:55 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It is a one way path of loss... like going to MP3. | 18:55 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Not relevant for those that don't do any manipulation as you are always trapped in the 24 bit domain regardless for output... but for manipulations it is devastating. | 18:55 |
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