[12:37] what's the correct way in relationship with packaging to remove included (external) jars which are shipped with java apps? the policy says that the orig. tarball shouldnt be modified. [12:38] is this only related to the source? to save bandwidth and storage it would be nice to remove them before repackaging an zip to ...orig.tar.gz for example, isn't it? [13:14] luckyduck: I usually remove external jars because then I ensure that the build does not use them (but system jars instead) and it saves me the trouble of documenting them in debian/copyright [13:15] luckyduck: You can regard them as an "embedded" library (which the Debian Policy says you should remove from the orig.tar.gz as I recall) [13:20] ok, thx [20:06] i am using jlist for the first time , is there any method that returns the current number of items in the list?