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| bittin | http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/027/7/1/eeedebian_wmii_by_bittin.png me likes <3 | 13:20 |
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| jiboumans | o/ | 13:56 |
| zul | hewlo | 13:56 |
| jiboumans | morning zul | 13:57 |
| jiboumans | just a heads up; you're today's scribe :) | 13:57 |
| * stgraber waves | 13:57 | |
| * mathiaz waves | 13:57 | |
| ttx | o/ | 13:57 |
| zul | morning jiboumans | 13:57 |
| mjeanson | hi | 13:58 |
| zul | jiboumans: yeah weee :) | 13:58 |
| * jjohansen waves | 13:58 | |
| nijaba | O/ | 13:58 |
| * nijaba has a big head today | 13:58 | |
| alexm | o/ | 13:58 |
| zul | nijaba: oh crap ;) | 13:58 |
| smoser | good morning all | 13:59 |
| jiboumans | soren, kirkland: around? | 14:00 |
| kirkland | o/ | 14:00 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: yup | 14:00 |
| jiboumans | ok, let's get the party started | 14:00 |
| jiboumans | #startmeeting | 14:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is jiboumans. | 14:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 14:00 |
| jiboumans | today's scribe is zul | 14:00 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] last week's action review | 14:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: last week's action review | 14:00 |
| jiboumans | Action: smoser to publish karmic cloud image refresh | 14:00 |
| soren | o/ | 14:01 |
| smoser | done. | 14:01 |
| jiboumans | fwiw, the last meetings logs are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20100120 i'll be calling action points in order. please prep your answers | 14:01 |
| jiboumans | smoser: ta | 14:02 |
| jiboumans | Action: Everyone: update status for your specs before the meeting starts | 14:02 |
| jiboumans | looking here, a few aren't updated yet: http://macaroni.ubuntu.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-lucid-alpha-3.html | 14:02 |
| ttx | jiboumans: bad link | 14:02 |
| jiboumans | please have them updated a few hours before this meeting at the latest, so they show up there | 14:02 |
| ttx | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-lucid-alpha-3.html | 14:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-lucid-alpha-3.html | 14:02 |
| jiboumans | ttx: right, it's moved.. my bad | 14:02 |
| jiboumans | [ACTION] everyone to update their specs status before the meeting. srsly! | 14:03 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: everyone to update their specs status before the meeting. srsly! | 14:03 |
| jiboumans | Action: ttx, zul to blog about papercuts, make sure UWN gets the word | 14:03 |
| ttx | you still have one minute to complete before we go to spec review mode | 14:03 |
| ttx | jiboumans: done | 14:03 |
| zul | blogged about it need to talk to the UWN people | 14:03 |
| ttx | zul: showed up in UWN already | 14:03 |
| ttx | zul: no need to pester them | 14:03 |
| jiboumans | excellent | 14:03 |
| zul | ttx: ah sweet | 14:04 |
| jiboumans | zul++ ttx++ | 14:04 |
| jiboumans | Action: ttx to send email about criteria and nomination to ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-server | 14:04 |
| ttx | done | 14:04 |
| jiboumans | excellent; details later on in the agenda | 14:04 |
| jiboumans | Action: smoser to raise thread about the no-ramdisk / -virtual config tradeoff | 14:04 |
| smoser | done, and kernel configs changed | 14:04 |
| smoser | don't know if there is a build available or not, but it wen to fix-commited early this week | 14:05 |
| jjohansen | they will be in the next kernel upload | 14:05 |
| jiboumans | ok, i'd like to discuss the details later on in the kernel section | 14:05 |
| jiboumans | smoser++ jjohansen++ | 14:05 |
| jiboumans | Action: zul, kirkland to unassign themselves from "maybe working on one day" bugs | 14:05 |
| zul | done | 14:05 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: done | 14:05 |
| jiboumans | excellent | 14:05 |
| jiboumans | moving on | 14:05 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] Alpha3 subcycle planning | 14:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Alpha3 subcycle planning | 14:05 |
| jiboumans | What's in the WI tracker is what we're committed to: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-lucid-alpha-3.html | 14:06 |
| jiboumans | everything that's marked 'medium' or higher is faily sure to make it into alpha3. 'low' prio specs are targets of opportunity | 14:06 |
| jiboumans | we'll do our best to get as many of those done as possible | 14:06 |
| jiboumans | note there's not been much change on this since last week, but we expect it to be pretty much stable now, barring any external factors messing with it | 14:06 |
| jiboumans | any questions about the alpha3 plans? | 14:07 |
| zul | nope | 14:07 |
| soren | no | 14:07 |
| jiboumans | excellent, moving on | 14:08 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] spec quick review (ttx) | 14:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: spec quick review (ttx) | 14:08 |
| ttx | OK, general status is on the same magic page | 14:08 |
| ttx | I wanted to look into those "high" specs that are < 30 % | 14:08 |
| ttx | and team members that also are below that threshold | 14:08 |
| ttx | server-lucid-apport-hooks: 22% | 14:09 |
| zul | will be updating it today | 14:09 |
| ttx | server-lucid-canonical-application-support: 20% | 14:09 |
| zul | will be working on it today | 14:09 |
| ttx | I'd like to see those completed, as they are spillover from alpha2 | 14:09 |
| ttx | ok | 14:09 |
| ttx | server-lucid-seeds: 13% | 14:09 |
| zul | ctdb needs to be worked on | 14:10 |
| ttx | mathiaz ^ | 14:10 |
| mathiaz | ttx: more WI showed up to figure out why packages haven't been dropped from main | 14:10 |
| ttx | is that analysis taking long ? | 14:10 |
| mathiaz | ttx: nope | 14:10 |
| ttx | ok, so thaey should be burnable quite fast, ok | 14:10 |
| mathiaz | ttx: yes | 14:10 |
| ttx | server-lucid-uec-testing: 0% | 14:10 |
| mathiaz | ttx: was blocked on server access - which is done now | 14:11 |
| mathiaz | ttx: blocked on a installer bug now | 14:11 |
| mathiaz | ttx: I need to sync up with kirkland | 14:11 |
| * kirkland waves at mathiaz | 14:11 | |
| mathiaz | ttx: all the remaining WI rely on having a working UEC cloud | 14:12 |
| ttx | mathiaz: hmm, ok. Please update status to reflect the blockage | 14:12 |
| jiboumans | mathiaz: anything myself or ttx can do to move this along? | 14:12 |
| mathiaz | I don't think so - for now | 14:12 |
| ttx | or maybe refactor the WI to make it more obvious where we block | 14:12 |
| ttx | looks like this is blocking on one or more work yitems that are piori to all others | 14:13 |
| ttx | prior | 14:13 |
| ttx | but that doesn't appear in the work item for that spec | 14:13 |
| ttx | server-lucid-ec2-config: 0% | 14:13 |
| mathiaz | ttx: and how do you express that a WI is blocking others? | 14:13 |
| ttx | you don't, but having one INPROGRESS shows what you're working on | 14:14 |
| ttx | mathiaz: my understanding is that what you're doing (clearing out the basic infra stuff) isn't reflected in any WI currently | 14:15 |
| mathiaz | ttx: ah - I though INPROGRESS was equal to TODO | 14:15 |
| ttx | mathiaz: it's equal for the machine | 14:15 |
| zul | same | 14:15 |
| ttx | the report considers it the same. But /I/ understand better what you're blocking on | 14:15 |
| smoser | server-lucid-ec2-config: i'm still working on getting all the config stuff pulled in. the cloud-config is largely functional in the released images, and more in ec2-init bzr | 14:15 |
| smoser | there are a few items left to pull in: EBS mounts, ephemeral storage RAID or mount points, runurl | 14:16 |
| mathiaz | ttx: ok | 14:17 |
| ttx | smoser: when do you think you can have boothooks/ec2-config completed ? | 14:17 |
| smoser | before next week. | 14:17 |
| ttx | smoser: cool, that will give us time to discuss XC2, then ;) | 14:17 |
| smoser | yeah | 14:17 |
| ttx | Moving to people under 30% | 14:17 |
| ttx | mathiaz - 10% | 14:18 |
| ttx | I think we know where its blocking | 14:18 |
| ttx | hm, everyone is under 30% | 14:18 |
| ttx | Let's burn some work items, everyone :) | 14:18 |
| ttx | jiboumans: anything you wanted to add ? | 14:19 |
| jiboumans | ttx: to focus on getting the specs in shape for next weeks sprint | 14:19 |
| jiboumans | if you have anything you need f2f time with the team, or others of the platform team, make sure your code's in a shape to get cracking straight away on monday | 14:19 |
| jiboumans | that is all, thank you :) | 14:20 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] server-lucid-papercuts (ttx) | 14:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: server-lucid-papercuts (ttx) | 14:20 |
| ttx | So the effort was announced, and we now have... | 14:20 |
| ttx | 4 external papercutters members | 14:21 |
| ttx | and... | 14:21 |
| ttx | 18 nominations so far | 14:21 |
| * alexm started nominating today, more to come | 14:22 | |
| ttx | Please continue to blog about it, we are not overwhelmed yet :) | 14:22 |
| jiboumans | alexm++ | 14:22 |
| jiboumans | ttx: remind us, what's the next step? | 14:22 |
| ttx | Today I wanted to discuss measurable objectives, if any | 14:22 |
| ttx | Should we have a papercut-fixing target goal ? | 14:22 |
| ttx | The desktop papercutters had to fix 10bugs per week, during 10 weeks | 14:23 |
| ttx | Should we also have a plan, or just people taking up accepted bugs from that bug list when they can ? | 14:23 |
| mathiaz | ttx: well - it depends on how many submission we have | 14:23 |
| zul | well we have 18 nominations so far so maybe 2 a week so far and adjust according as time goes by | 14:24 |
| mathiaz | ttx: have bugs already been accepted? | 14:24 |
| ttx | no. We can't commit much time to fixing them before FF anyway | 14:24 |
| mathiaz | ttx: I know I've already declined one bug (about mysql) | 14:24 |
| ttx | We could have a session during the meeting where we approve them | 14:25 |
| jiboumans | i do like hte idea of taking x bugs for y weeks (in our case the betas probably) | 14:25 |
| ttx | though that would overload the meeting | 14:25 |
| mathiaz | ttx: well - the list of nomination need to be approved at some point | 14:25 |
| mathiaz | ttx: *then* people can start working on a fix | 14:26 |
| ttx | ok, I propose that we review the papercuts proposals in next meeting... but lets make it quick, people should review them in advance | 14:26 |
| ttx | and we have a quick +1 round | 14:26 |
| jiboumans | agreed | 14:26 |
| ttx | we'll do it at the end of the meeting, on the remaining time | 14:26 |
| jiboumans | ttx: want an action of some sort? | 14:26 |
| ttx | jiboumans: yes, action me on announcing that | 14:27 |
| jiboumans | [ACTION] ttx to announce papercuts nominations | 14:27 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ttx to announce papercuts nominations | 14:27 |
| ttx | we want as many papercutters as we can to participate in that review | 14:27 |
| ttx | so I'll announce externally | 14:27 |
| ttx | and we'll try to do an x bugs / y weeks thing. | 14:28 |
| ttx | I'm done | 14:28 |
| jiboumans | excellent | 14:28 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] server-lucid-apport-hooks update (zul) | 14:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: server-lucid-apport-hooks update (zul) | 14:28 |
| jiboumans | same for you: what's the current status and what'st he next steps? | 14:28 |
| zul | so php5, eucalyptus is done for the high priority ones, samba is being worked on now, and vmbuilder hasnt started yet | 14:28 |
| zul | i havent gotten any contributions from the community yet | 14:29 |
| ttx | Doing apport hooks is easy ! and fun ! | 14:29 |
| jiboumans | zul, mathiaz: any suggestions where we might find interested parties? at the UDS session it seemed lots of people had input at least | 14:29 |
| zul | yes it is! | 14:29 |
| zul | jiboumans: i prodded some people on the security team to help out as well | 14:30 |
| alexm | ttx: too bad they're not in Perl :P | 14:30 |
| zul | jiboumans: maybe send an email to ubuntu-server | 14:30 |
| Daviey | It might be a good idea to have a blog post + link to "how to". | 14:30 |
| ttx | alexm: if you can do perl, you can do apport hooks, python is not very complex :) | 14:30 |
| alexm | :D | 14:30 |
| jiboumans | daviey: agreed | 14:31 |
| ttx | Daviey: we sorta have that | 14:31 |
| jiboumans | alexm: from one perl guy to another: think of python as the llama book and you'll be fine ;) | 14:31 |
| ttx | Daviey: zul blogged about it and the server/apporthooks wikipage has links to doc | 14:31 |
| ttx | Daviey: but yes, zul should have done a DeveloperWeek session on server apport hooks :) | 14:32 |
| Daviey | ttx: Without actively searching, i can't think of a "how to write apport hooks" post or wiki page i've seen linked to | 14:32 |
| jiboumans | let's do another call then on the lists and point people at the blog/page | 14:32 |
| Daviey | really!? /me wonders how he missed that | 14:32 |
| * Daviey hides. | 14:32 | |
| jiboumans | [ACTION] zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement | 14:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement | 14:32 |
| zul | acked | 14:32 |
| ttx | Daviey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ApportHooks | 14:32 |
| jiboumans | zul: anything else on apport hooks? | 14:32 |
| zul | nope | 14:32 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] PHP 5.3 for lucid (zul) | 14:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: PHP 5.3 for lucid (zul) | 14:33 |
| zul | so alot of people have been asking about php 5.3 for lucid | 14:33 |
| zul | mathiaz has bugged me a couple of times about it as well | 14:33 |
| zul | and i checked with debian and they want to move to 5.3 for squeeze | 14:33 |
| zul | my preference is to stay with 5.2 for lucid but that isnt popular | 14:34 |
| Daviey | zul: Have you thought about what to do with the short tag deprecation.. AIUI PHP are now shipping with it disabled, but it will break a whole lot of websites. | 14:34 |
| zul | the reason why to stay with 5.2 for lucid is that php 5.3 breaks applications such as mediawiki and drupal 5 doesnt support it (but we do have drupal ) | 14:34 |
| zul | Daviey: i think debian is disabling it as well | 14:35 |
| zul | i just want to know what poeple think | 14:35 |
| * Daviey agrees with zul that 5.2 is safer for an LTS.. However, -security might feel differently. | 14:36 | |
| zul | the discussion for php 5.3 in debian is at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2010-January/006602.html | 14:36 |
| ttx | zul: so the choice is between old 5.2 or incompatible 5.3 ? | 14:36 |
| mathiaz | zul: do you have a list of other important webapps that break /don't support 5.3? | 14:36 |
| ttx | zul: any indication of upstream support lifetime for both versions ? | 14:36 |
| zul | mediawiki and drupal is the one i know about right now | 14:37 |
| Daviey | mathiaz: ANY code snippet using <? rather than <?PHP , with the settings shipped as default. | 14:37 |
| zul | ttx: 5.3 will get security updates faster than 5.2 | 14:37 |
| jmdault | Question: is it possible to ship 5.2 but to have the possibility to have 5.3 in backports? | 14:37 |
| mathiaz | jmdault: yes | 14:37 |
| zul | 5.2 and 5.3 dont install nicely at the same time right now | 14:37 |
| mathiaz | zul: faster - how about longer? | 14:37 |
| zul | mathiaz: no idea | 14:38 |
| nijaba | Magento and Joomla seem to have issues as well | 14:38 |
| ttx | I'd follow the jmdault suggestion | 14:39 |
| jiboumans | i dont think it's realistic to repackage all those for php5.3 before ff | 14:39 |
| ttx | if it breaks several apps we care about | 14:39 |
| ttx | we need to think "platform" | 14:39 |
| ttx | and ship what is required upper in the stack to run | 14:39 |
| ttx | not necessarily what the developers want to use | 14:40 |
| ttx | they can use backports for that | 14:40 |
| * nijaba fully agrees | 14:40 | |
| ttx | /but/ I'd throw a discussion on ubuntu-devel about it | 14:40 |
| ttx | just to take the wolves temperature. | 14:40 |
| mathiaz | zul: ^^ yes - I'd request for feedback on -devel and -server | 14:41 |
| jiboumans | if there's no other breakage other than configuration, we may have an option to ship a different default config | 14:41 |
| mathiaz | zul: outlining which application are *currently* not working with 5.3 | 14:41 |
| ttx | zul: how feasible is it to ship both ? (/me shows PHP ignorance) | 14:41 |
| zul | ttx: it would be alot of work | 14:41 |
| soren | They can't coexist. | 14:42 |
| ttx | zul: ok, it was never done before | 14:42 |
| mathiaz | ttx: I don't think we wanna do that - as it means one would in be universe the other in main | 14:42 |
| mathiaz | ttx: and then which one in main? | 14:42 |
| mathiaz | we're back to square one then | 14:42 |
| ttx | mathiaz: my question was about how did we handle similar transitions in the past. If there never was 2 PHPs, its not the timt to introduce that | 14:42 |
| mathiaz | I'd suggest we go with 5.2 in main for lucid, and ship 5.3 in -backports if there is a lot of demand | 14:42 |
| jiboumans | [ACTION] zul to raise php5.3 update on -server and -devel mailinglist. outline which apps are currently not working with 5.3 | 14:42 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul to raise php5.3 update on -server and -devel mailinglist. outline which apps are currently not working with 5.3 | 14:42 |
| jmdault | Two versions of PHP don't work | 14:43 |
| zul | acked | 14:43 |
| ttx | jmdault: cool, one more reason to hate it | 14:43 |
| * Daviey seems to remember we had a similar discussion for 5.3 inclusion in karmic. | 14:43 | |
| jmdault | I tried that in the past for Mandriva, and hell broke loose | 14:43 |
| jiboumans | anything else on the php front zul? | 14:44 |
| zul | nope | 14:44 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) | 14:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) | 14:44 |
| jmdault | Daviey: I remember a similar discussion for PHP3 ;-) | 14:44 |
| soren | Hm... | 14:44 |
| soren | I don't have anything to report, I think. | 14:44 |
| soren | Questions? | 14:44 |
| jiboumans | soren: we're interested in hwo the automated qa thing is going of course | 14:44 |
| soren | jiboumans: It's going well. | 14:45 |
| alexm | soren++, yesterday's class on server automation was great | 14:45 |
| ttx | soren: yep, sounds like funny stuff :) | 14:45 |
| soren | jiboumans: The PPA builds have been moved to a team ppa, so more people are being notified of build failures.. | 14:45 |
| soren | I'm working on getting more of the qa-regression-testing tests run on a daily basis.. | 14:45 |
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| soren | and the ISO testing thing will hopefully be moved to the DC soon-ish. | 14:46 |
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| mathiaz | soren: what's the ISO testing thing? | 14:46 |
| jiboumans | soren++ the testing phase was long overdue | 14:46 |
| ttx | soren: any progress on the server QA position ? | 14:47 |
| soren | mathiaz: My automated ISO testing thing. I had a UDW session on it last night, if you care to read the logs. | 14:47 |
| soren | mathiaz: I'll be demoing it next week, if not. | 14:47 |
| soren | ttx: Yes. "Some". | 14:47 |
| soren | :) | 14:47 |
| mathiaz | soren: with screenshots and the framebuffer? | 14:47 |
| soren | mathiaz: Yup. | 14:48 |
| alexm | mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/AutoServerTests | 14:48 |
| soren | Hang on, let me find a link for you.. | 14:48 |
| mathiaz | soren: alexm: thanks | 14:48 |
| ttx | alexm++ | 14:48 |
| soren | http://people.canonical.com/~soren/lamplvminstall.avi | 14:48 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~soren/lamplvminstall.avi | 14:48 |
| soren | That's an automatic LAMP install with LVM "partitioning". | 14:49 |
| soren | It fails in the end, but it sort of shows a bit of what's going on. | 14:49 |
| mathiaz | soren: great - thanks | 14:49 |
| jiboumans | any other questions for soren or the QA team? | 14:50 |
| jiboumans | ok, moving on | 14:50 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 14:50 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 14:50 |
| jiboumans | specifically: Summarize outcome of discussion about bug 494565 (smoser, jjohansen) | 14:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494565 in linux "support ramdiskless boot for relevant kvm drive interfaces in -virtual" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494565 | 14:50 |
| smoser | jjohansen, ? | 14:51 |
| smoser | otherwise i'll just go. | 14:51 |
| jjohansen | we changed the suggested configs to builtin | 14:51 |
| jjohansen | ie. virtio, virtnet, and 1 scsi | 14:51 |
| jjohansen | it boots in limited testing | 14:51 |
| jjohansen | I have test images for any who want, or you can wait for the next kernel upload | 14:52 |
| ttx | jjohansen: eta for next kernel upload ? | 14:52 |
| jjohansen | there is some concern about these configs changing behavior, so we need wide testing | 14:52 |
| jjohansen | ttx: my guess is friday | 14:52 |
| jiboumans | jjohansen: can our QA setup help with this? | 14:53 |
| jjohansen | I don't know | 14:53 |
| jiboumans | soren: ^ | 14:53 |
| ttx | jjohansen: I didn't see a real conclusion to that ML thread, I guess the kernel team decided it was reasonably risk-free ? | 14:53 |
| soren | Not really. | 14:53 |
| soren | Well.. | 14:53 |
| jjohansen | well reasonably risk free | 14:54 |
| jjohansen | there is some concern | 14:54 |
| soren | Some, not not anywhere near the amount of testing we'd get by just putting it out there and have people report back when things blow up. | 14:54 |
| jjohansen | the virt configs always present themselves | 14:54 |
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| ttx | jjohansen: My concern is if it would blow up some fringe server hardware that always worked well, and nobody tests before release | 14:55 |
| jiboumans | jjohansen: i guess our real question is how do we know it's safe to put this in an LTS, and when is the latest point we need to decide? | 14:55 |
| jjohansen | right, there is no guarentee | 14:56 |
| soren | I'm curious.. | 14:56 |
| jjohansen | we don't know of anything breaking, and don't believe anything should | 14:56 |
| soren | What driver are people using if this one doesn't work for them? | 14:56 |
| soren | What is the canonical replacement for it? | 14:56 |
| jjohansen | soren: which driver are you referring to? | 14:57 |
| jjohansen | virtio, virtnet, scsi? | 14:57 |
| soren | the scsi one that seems to be the main concern. | 14:57 |
| jjohansen | actually I am more concerned on virt | 14:57 |
| soren | Why? | 14:57 |
| jjohansen | the scsi driver has been around long enough we are reasonably confident that its bugs have been worked out | 14:58 |
| jiboumans | i think this dense enough to warrant a face 2 face discussion | 14:58 |
| jiboumans | as you'll all be at next weeks sprint, i suggest we raise the issue there | 14:58 |
| jiboumans | is that ok? | 14:58 |
| jjohansen | good idea | 14:58 |
| soren | ok | 14:58 |
| jiboumans | thanks | 14:58 |
| jiboumans | jjohansen++ for fixing kernels | 14:58 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html (ttx) | 14:58 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html (ttx) | 14:58 |
| ttx | Nothing assigned to team | 14:59 |
| ttx | I noticed a ew "New" bugs there, those should probably be Confirmed or Triaged if they have an assignee | 14:59 |
| ttx | One question, about http://launchpad.net/bugs/499520 | 15:00 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 499520 in vm-builder "default uec-image requires at least 300 M of RAM to run - m1.small and c1.medium not needed by default" [High,New] | 15:00 |
| ttx | smoser: ^ | 15:00 |
| ttx | Do we finally know what caused the surge in RAM usage ? | 15:00 |
| ttx | I know soren asked a question about it | 15:00 |
| smoser | i gave soren some feed back. i'm not sure. | 15:00 |
| soren | I talked to the kernel guys about it. | 15:00 |
| smoser | my suspicion is upstart, or rather loads of jobs running parrallel that previously ran serial | 15:01 |
| soren | They seemed to think we were reading the numbers wrong. They made a convincing argument. | 15:01 |
| smoser | at least in boot that would account for balloon | 15:01 |
| smoser | soren if we're reading the numbers wrong, then so is OOM | 15:01 |
| smoser | as that is what pointed out the problem, processes dieing | 15:01 |
| ttx | ok, I'd want to know where this one is coming from, and where it can be going. Should we just switch our minds to a mode where a minimal image needs 300Mb of RAM... | 15:02 |
| nijaba | another subject for the sprint? | 15:02 |
| soren | smoser: It doesn't say anything about OOM in the bug? | 15:02 |
| ttx | nijaba: yes | 15:02 |
| ttx | jiboumans: done, next | 15:02 |
| smoser | soren, well "fails to boot" i think . but maybe its not there. | 15:02 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 15:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 15:02 |
| jiboumans | eh, oops | 15:02 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) | 15:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) | 15:02 |
| jiboumans | that first ;) | 15:03 |
| kirkland | ttx: i'd like to think a minimal image should run in 256MB of mem | 15:03 |
| smoser | we no longer need 300Mb of RAM for boot, as swap is being enabled again. so that avoids OOM. | 15:03 |
| ttx | kirkland: yes, me too. | 15:03 |
| mathiaz | nothing on the nomination lists | 15:03 |
| mathiaz | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 15:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 15:03 |
| ttx | kirkland: that's why I talked about "mind adjustment" | 15:03 |
| mathiaz | anything worth SRU on the list above? | 15:03 |
| zul | checking | 15:03 |
| kirkland | ttx: yeah, i'm with you ... honestly, i never run my VM's with less than 512MB, but i think we're doing something wrong if we *require* 300MB just to boot | 15:04 |
| * soren agrees | 15:04 | |
| soren | I'm running a lot of hardy VM's on 64 MB just fine. | 15:04 |
| soren | Hm.... with swap, though. | 15:04 |
| mathiaz | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 15:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 15:04 |
| mathiaz | anything worth SRU on the list above? | 15:04 |
| zul | 462172, 480152, 502878, 500457 | 15:04 |
| zul | 504897 and that one as well | 15:05 |
| soren | bug 462172, bug 480152, bug 502878, bug 500457, bug 504897 | 15:06 |
| kirkland | soren: yeah, come to think of it, I'm running hardy in my hosted VPS with 128MB (+swap) | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 462172 in samba "samba "Too many files are currently in use."" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462172 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 480152 in samba "Samba service doesn't start automatically" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480152 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 502878 in samba "Samba 3.4.0 won't let win98 clients to connect" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502878 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 500457 in samba "Please backport fix for point&print samba support" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500457 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 504897 in nut "megatec_usb problem (did not claim interface)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504897 | 15:06 |
| mathiaz | zul: seems like good candidates - nominate/accept them | 15:07 |
| zul | k | 15:07 |
| mathiaz | anything else? | 15:07 |
| mathiaz | that's all for the SRU review | 15:07 |
| mathiaz | then | 15:07 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 15:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 15:07 |
| jiboumans | going once... | 15:08 |
| jiboumans | going wtice... | 15:08 |
| jiboumans | alright | 15:08 |
| Daviey | BANG | 15:08 |
| jiboumans | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time | 15:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time | 15:08 |
| jiboumans | next week we won't have a meeting, as the entire platform team will be at a sprnt | 15:08 |
| jiboumans | the next meeting will be Feb 11th, same time, same channel | 15:08 |
| jiboumans | thank you all for your time | 15:09 |
| jiboumans | #endmeeting | 15:09 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:09. | 15:09 |
| alexm | thanks | 15:09 |
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| mvo | hello, meeting time | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | hi | 16:00 |
| mvo | barry, cjwatson, ev, tremolux, lool, doko, mvo, slangasek (anyone missing from that list?) | 16:00 |
| ev | hiya | 16:00 |
| lool | Hey! | 16:01 |
| tremolux | howdy everyone | 16:01 |
| doko | here | 16:01 |
| mvo | ok,lets start | 16:02 |
| mvo | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is mvo. | 16:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:02 |
| mvo | the agenda is: | 16:02 |
| mvo | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0127#Agenda | 16:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0127#Agenda | 16:02 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| mvo | [TOPIC] Lightning Round | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Lightning Round | 16:02 |
| mvo | Order is: barry, cjwatson, ev, tremolux, lool, doko, mvo, slangasek | 16:02 |
| mvo | Please use (done) when finishedOrder is: barry, cjwatson, ev, tremolux, lool, doko, mvo, slangasek | 16:02 |
| mvo | Please use (done) when finished | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | no barry? | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | I'll go | 16:04 |
| mvo | hm, he said he is there, let skip him for now and he can have his turn when he is back | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | done: dealt with most of network device problems in foundations-lucid-fix-iscsi-root; grub dm-raid fixes | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | blocked: nothing | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | (done) | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | todo: finish grub device-id work (carried over, but should now be able to test it usefully on dm-raid as well); move on to designing UI for LVM/RAID in ubiquity (carried over) | 16:04 |
| ev | Trying to get to the bottom of bug 497942, finishing up a fix for the broken console-setup, trying to decide on the best debconf interface for specifying a package pool in oem-config (that is, whether to require a public key that the packages are signed with is required, or whether to just use allow-unauthenticated) | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497942 in debian-installer "Custom Ubuntu ISO do not work with usb-creator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497942 | 16:05 |
| ev | blocked: design for the page transitions stuff | 16:05 |
| ev | (done) | 16:05 |
| tremolux | Software Center work; finished app reselect functionality, | 16:06 |
| tremolux | added keyboard navigation feature (LP: #509783). | 16:06 |
| tremolux | Will try to hit more bugs this week. | 16:06 |
| tremolux | No blockers. Done. | 16:06 |
| lool | Last week I mostly focused on fixing some qemu-kvm issues, and low hanging fruits in vmbuilder; MIRs kept me busy too. This week, I am tackling more MIRs and working on pbuilder apt config generation; I am also trying to create a bootable rootfs without running any target code (and not deffering any setup to the first boot of course ;-). | 16:06 |
| lool | (done) | 16:06 |
| mvo | qemu-kvm> nice! | 16:06 |
| mvo | doko, can you go next? | 16:08 |
| doko | * ARM: review thumb2 problem list, summary of outstanding ARM toolchain issues, gnat build | 16:08 |
| doko | * GCC 4.4.3 packages | 16:08 |
| doko | * some python updates | 16:08 |
| doko | * first batch of package syncs and merges | 16:08 |
| doko | * blocked on sun-java partner upload | 16:08 |
| doko | (done) | 16:08 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:08 |
| mvo | worked on apt-dynamic cdrom spec (via libudev), support-timeframe-information, will work on software-center (reviews branch, local repository support) | 16:08 |
| mvo | (done) | 16:08 |
| lool | slangasek: Around? | 16:09 |
| slangasek | worked on the plymouth bugs from A2; one "solved", one pending; did an analysis of converting samba to upstart | 16:09 |
| slangasek | blocked: upstart needs a new feature before samba can use upstart jobs :) | 16:10 |
| slangasek | (done) | 16:10 |
| mvo | lets try barry again now | 16:10 |
| mvo | he is here, he said in private irc that the paste did not made it into the channel for some reason | 16:10 |
| mvo | I will just paste his summary for him: | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | perhaps he isn't identified to nickserv | 16:11 |
| mvo | I was on leave, so it was a short week for me. I worked on a rewrite of PEP | 16:11 |
| mvo | 999 which is now ready for an official submission upstream. I also worked on | 16:11 |
| mvo | some bugs in computer-janitor (503727) and read up on dbus and policykit. EOT | 16:11 |
| mvo | [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs | 16:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Milestoned bugs | 16:12 |
| mvo | I see 22 targeted, are there any particular ones that you want to tlak about? | 16:12 |
| mvo | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21445 | 16:12 |
| * mvo got some that he needs to focus on this week/next week | 16:13 | |
| cjwatson | so for us, two plymouth, two update-manager, one unattended-upgrades | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | I'll knock two off that list by main promotions now | 16:14 |
| mvo | the unattended-upgrades one ties into plymouth, the notication on shutdown that the shutdown is waiting for a upgrae to finish needs to get ported to plymouth | 16:14 |
| mvo | is that something we could talk about on the sprint maybe? | 16:14 |
| barry | sigh. can you hear me now? | 16:14 |
| slangasek | barry: ohai | 16:14 |
| mvo | yes, loud and clear | 16:15 |
| slangasek | mvo: sure | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | mvo: can you put it on the sprint wiki page? | 16:15 |
| mvo | cjwatson: will do | 16:15 |
| barry | mvo, slangasek yay! sorry about that. thanks for pasting my status | 16:15 |
| mvo | [ACTION] mvo add #506709 to sprint agenda | 16:15 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mvo add #506709 to sprint agenda | 16:15 |
| slangasek | the second plymouth bug should be 'fix committed' by end of day, the server guys have confirmed my fix is good | 16:15 |
| mvo | slangasek: cool, thanks | 16:16 |
| mvo | next is [TOPIC] Targeted bugs | 16:16 |
| mvo | quite a few in | 16:16 |
| mvo | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | I'll polish off that grub2 one at the sprint - it just needs a test run | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | I'd appreciate somebody taking the casper/plymouth one, bug 500198 - I don't really know plymouth well enough yet unfortunately | 16:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 500198 in casper "casper-md5check needs to be ported to plymouth" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500198 | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | ev: can you have a look at bug 432422 at some point? | 16:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 432422 in user-setup "add installer status message for "Wiping Swap Space"" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432422 | 16:18 |
| ev | yes | 16:18 |
| slangasek | I'll take 500198, then | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 16:19 |
| slangasek | unless someone else is keen to get their feet wet? | 16:19 |
| mvo | I suspect the unattended-upgrades one is pretty similar to this one | 16:19 |
| mvo | aynthing else from this list? otheriwse we can move to the sponsoring queue | 16:21 |
| mvo | [TOPIC] Sponsorship queue | 16:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Sponsorship queue | 16:21 |
| mvo | pleae sponsor! | 16:21 |
| * mvo is guilty of not doing that well unfortunately | 16:21 | |
| mvo | the list is pretty long | 16:22 |
| mvo | [TOPIC] Spot check of A3 specs with low completion rate | 16:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Spot check of A3 specs with low completion rate | 16:22 |
| mvo | slangasek: that is your topic, right? | 16:22 |
| * slangasek throws in a mea culpa on sponsorship :( | 16:23 | |
| slangasek | mvo: yep | 16:23 |
| doko | dholbach did stop the explicit nagging | 16:23 |
| slangasek | I put a list of specs in the agenda that have desktop WIs, and are high or critical with a completion rate < 25% | 16:23 |
| dholbach | doko: I think randa mails the managers about it directly now. ;-) | 16:23 |
| slangasek | please have a look there at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0127#Agenda | 16:23 |
| mvo | foundations-lucid-software-center-repository-based-index: that is a joint effort of soyuz and me, we need to sit together during the sprint, it requires a good chunk of work from both sides, its going to be difficult to land it | 16:24 |
| slangasek | obviously we have the sprint coming up, so it's not a big deal to have specs that aren't worked on yet, but I want to make sure that they're on someone's radar | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | foundations-lucid-reliable-device-id-in-grub: this is further along than it looks from the completion rate; there are a bunch of things there that will all be resolved all at once, and that are a good distance along. poor planning perhaps. I know I keep saying "nearly done" but I really do expect to have this done by the end of the sprint | 16:24 |
| slangasek | and that if anyone needs more help, we can shuffle things around sooner rather than later | 16:25 |
| mvo | foundations-lucid-index-based-downloads-client> client side of the above spec, needs serious hacking too, probably from me | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | foundations-lucid-fix-iscsi-root: having a hard time getting a response from one of the bug reporters here, but once I complete the discussion with QA it should be relatively easy to flush this out | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | foundations-lucid-gfxboot-update: still no word from DX on this | 16:25 |
| ev | foundations-lucid-oem-dvd-iso: mostly just need to write the tool | 16:25 |
| slangasek | dx-lucid-xsplash> hmm, I mean to claim that WI | 16:26 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: gfxboot-update> time for a gentle ping at the release meeting, or time for hyper-nag-mode? :) | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | time to jump on bratsche at the sprint, I'm thinking ... | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | I've tried the gentle ping twice now | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | actually thrice if you count mails | 16:27 |
| slangasek | obile-lucid-une-2d-launcher> heh, I guess that's on the list because someone has one of the MIR's assigned to self | 16:28 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: ok | 16:28 |
| mvo | is there any business from activity reports (I haven't seen any)? | 16:29 |
| mvo | that should be discussed here? | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | not from activity reports, but could people please fill out https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Lucid/Foundations with their plans? | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | all the items there right now were added by me, and are certainly not representative | 16:30 |
| mvo | ACTION: please fill out https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Lucid/Foundations | 16:30 |
| mvo | [TOPIC] Good news | 16:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Good news | 16:32 |
| mvo | new apt with libudev support for getting the cdrom drive - /cdrom can go away | 16:32 |
| slangasek | good news: there's a fix in lp:ubuntu/plymouth that should let us get plymouth back out of the initramfs | 16:32 |
| slangasek | (so if anyone wants to help test that today, I'll feel a lot more confident about uploading it to the archive :) | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | good news: merges.ubuntu.com is working again | 16:33 |
| mvo | yipiieee | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | bad news: I'm probably going to want a bunch of you to help me with cross-compile fixes for Chromium OS at the sprint ;-) | 16:33 |
| slangasek | aaaaahhh | 16:34 |
| mvo | so we need a "BAD News topic" ? | 16:34 |
| doko | cjwatson: do you see differences in packages when cross-building them (at least I do building gcc-4.4 as a cross) | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | doko: from time to time, but in this case they're usually not important | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | at least if you mean things like bits being left out because they aren't cross-compilable | 16:36 |
| mvo | the template has "# Reminder for release meeting, if due this week " now, who is going to represent us in the release meeting | 16:37 |
| doko | I think of tests which are not run for a cross build, leaving out complete features | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | yes, this happens sometimes. for this project leaving out features is on average good :-) | 16:37 |
| doko | heh | 16:38 |
| mvo | release-meeting> anyone? | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | I'll do it | 16:40 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:40 |
| mvo | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:40 |
| slangasek | none from me, except the side-channel stuff I just thought of :) | 16:42 |
| mvo | side-channel? | 16:42 |
| slangasek | mvo: i.e., pinging cjwatson directly about something that doesn't need to hold up the group :) | 16:43 |
| mvo | ok :) | 16:43 |
| mvo | 3 | 16:43 |
| mvo | 2 | 16:43 |
| mvo | 1 | 16:43 |
| mvo | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:43. | 16:43 |
| barry | mvo: thanks! | 16:43 |
| slangasek | thanks, all :) | 16:43 |
| ev | thanks | 16:44 |
| tremolux | thanks! | 16:46 |
| soren | Hey. I just stopped by to say I won't be joining today. This fever just gets worse and worse, and now I'm giving up. | 17:01 |
| ara | soren, ok, get well soon! | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | soren: get better, man! | 17:02 |
| ara | marjo has asked me to lead the meeting, as he is getting troubles to join in | 17:02 |
| soren | I'll do my best. Thanks, guys. | 17:02 |
| ara | so, let's start | 17:03 |
| ara | #startmeeting | 17:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:03. The chair is ara. | 17:03 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:03 |
| soren | he's not identified to freenode. | 17:03 |
| soren | ...so he can't join this channel as it's +R. | 17:03 |
| ara | Agenda: | 17:03 |
| cr3 | The table is marjo, and the rest of us are napkins. | 17:04 |
| ara | # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 17:04 |
| ara | # Bugday highlights -- pedro | 17:04 |
| ara | # Ubuntu 8.04.4 point release testing -- ara | 17:04 |
| ara | cr3, lol | 17:04 |
| ara | wow, small agenda today | 17:04 |
| ara | it is going to be short, I guess | 17:04 |
| ara | [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 17:04 |
| sbeattie | SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2009-12-20): | 17:05 |
| sbeattie | * karmic: 5 new packages in -proposed (debian-installer, gnome-power-manager, gtk+2.0, krb5, langpacks), and 12 packages pushed to -updates (autokey, bzr, bzr-builddeb, cairo, courier, ec2-init, evolution-mapi, pulseaudio, quassel, rhythmbox, software-center, vim-rails) | 17:05 |
| sbeattie | * jaunty: 1 package pushed to -updates (gdesklets) | 17:05 |
| sbeattie | * intrepid: no SRU activity | 17:05 |
| sbeattie | * hardy: 5 new packages in -proposed (base-files, debian-installer, klibc, langpacks, squirrelmail) and 3 packages pushed to -updates (cdrom-detect, debian-installer-utils, grub) | 17:05 |
| sbeattie | * dapper: no SRU activity | 17:05 |
| sbeattie | Thanks to Tomas Pospisek, mzc, Przemysław Kulczycki, sam tygier, Adam Stark, Chris Conway, Novecento, nesquix, Mitch Towner, stgraber, Luke Faraone, Jean-Baptiste Lallement, WilliamWolf, and others for testing this week. | 17:05 |
| sbeattie | That's all I have on the SRU front, unless there are any questions. | 17:05 |
| ara | not that I can think of | 17:06 |
| ara | [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- pedro | 17:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bugday highlights -- pedro | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | On Thursday 21 we celebrated a bug day based on Network Manager Applet: | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100121 | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | great participation from the bugsquad | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | ~70 bugs were triaged, Thanks a lot to our hug day heroes: xteejx, kamusin, cyan-spam, boniek, vish, osintsev and yofel | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | and on the same week i was contacted by the Ubuntu One folks to try to organize a bug day based on one of their packages | 17:08 |
| pedro_ | so Tomorrow, we're having a bug day on which the target will be Ubuntu One Client | 17:08 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100128 | 17:09 |
| ara | controversial one :) | 17:09 |
| pedro_ | thanks to Joshua Hoover and Kamusin for helping out to set up everything | 17:09 |
| pedro_ | heh yeah | 17:09 |
| davmor2 | ara: is that it's new name ;) | 17:09 |
| pedro_ | well some folks already started to work on it (yes we have an awesoem community!), so if you have a few spare minutes don't be shy and join us ;-) | 17:10 |
| pedro_ | that's all from here ara | 17:10 |
| ara | ok, pedro, thanks | 17:10 |
| ara | [TOPIC] Ubuntu 8.04.4 point release testing -- ara | 17:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu 8.04.4 point release testing -- ara | 17:10 |
| ara | Well, hardy point release is looking very good now | 17:11 |
| ara | only some more tests to cover | 17:11 |
| sbeattie | what's remaining? | 17:11 |
| davmor2 | m-a I'm hitting them now | 17:11 |
| ara | thanks davmor2! | 17:12 |
| sbeattie | woot, thanks davmor2. | 17:12 |
| ara | if nothing bad happens, everything will be ready for tomorrow and the LAST hardy point release | 17:12 |
| * marjo waves | 17:13 | |
| * charlie-tca waves | 17:13 | |
| ara | hey marjo, charlie-tca | 17:13 |
| marjo | thx ara | 17:13 |
| ara | all, in all, if you want to practice ISO testing, a little more coverage is always more than welcome | 17:14 |
| ara | as usual, ISO testing is happening at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 17:14 |
| ara | [LINK] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 17:14 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 17:14 |
| ara | and I think that's all from me | 17:14 |
| davmor2 | ara: only point of concern seems to be the missing autorun.inf and umenu.exe off of the cd | 17:14 |
| ara | davmor2, is it release critical? | 17:15 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: ^ I don't think it is it just means you need to open the cd in browser mode and click on wubi.exe | 17:16 |
| marjo | ara: was ameetp introduced? | 17:16 |
| ara | marjo, no, it wasn't in the agenda | 17:16 |
| ara | marjo, go ahead | 17:16 |
| ameetp | hi everyone. Ameet Paranjape here. Joining Canonical as a QA engineer | 17:17 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Welcome Ameet Paranjape | 17:17 |
| ameetp | looking forward to working with all of you | 17:17 |
| fader_ | ameetp: Welcome! | 17:17 |
| bdmurray | ameetp: welcome | 17:17 |
| davmor2 | ameetp: congrats | 17:17 |
| charlie-tca | ameetp: welcome | 17:18 |
| pedro_ | welcome ameetp! | 17:18 |
| slangasek | davmor2: it's a behavior change and a regression, but probably tolerable, yes | 17:18 |
| sbeattie | ameetp: hey, welcome! | 17:18 |
| ara | ameetp, welcome! | 17:18 |
| davmor2 | ara: ^ there's your answer | 17:18 |
| ameetp | thank you | 17:18 |
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| marjo | are we done? | 17:22 |
| ara | I think so | 17:22 |
| marjo | ara, folks: thx! | 17:22 |
| marjo | see you next time | 17:22 |
| ara | cheers! | 17:23 |
| davmor2 | thanks | 17:23 |
| pedro_ | thanks | 17:23 |
| fader_ | Thanks all | 17:23 |
| kamusin | thanks! | 17:24 |
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| * stgraber waves | 18:59 | |
| * Lns rides in on a segway | 19:00 | |
| * alkisg salutes everyone | 19:00 | |
| * sbalneav waves | 19:00 | |
| stgraber | Jonathan is currently away on jabber, I hope he'll be arriving soon | 19:00 |
| Lns | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda - please take one and pass the rest down | 19:02 |
| dhillon-v10 | i made it in just time :) | 19:04 |
| stgraber | good, highvoltage is in the channel anyway so he'll easily be able to catch up when he comes back | 19:04 |
| stgraber | #startmeeting | 19:04 |
| MootBot | stgraber, There is already a meeting in progress. | 19:04 |
| stgraber | hmm, who forgot to end the previous meeting ? ;) | 19:04 |
| stgraber | #endmeeting | 19:05 |
| stgraber | ok, looks like we'll need to do that without the bot | 19:05 |
| stgraber | so, first on the agenda is sbalneav's work on sabayon | 19:05 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: anything you want to talk about ? | 19:05 |
| sbalneav | Sure | 19:06 |
| sbalneav | 1) Sabayon is working, so we can remove that from the agenda as an ongoing item. | 19:07 |
| sbalneav | 2) Another bug day's coming up, I'll handle that one. Last one was quite successful. | 19:07 |
| sbalneav | 3) I'll be ramping up soon to get the handbook into some kind of shape. | 19:07 |
| sbalneav | That is all, citizens. Keep watching the skies. | 19:08 |
| stgraber | great, did we decide on a date for the second bug day ? | 19:08 |
| dhillon-v10 | sbalneav: :) working on the hand-book but slow progress | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | dhillon-v10: You have a branch of your own? | 19:08 |
| nixternal | hola | 19:09 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: I'm thinking post-feature freeze | 19:09 |
| dhillon-v10 | sbalneav: not yet, just got down some of the stuff and looking at what can/should I put in it, then later on maybe I'll push a branch | 19:09 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: hi :) | 19:09 |
| sbalneav | That will be the time to work on spit-n-polish | 19:09 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10: it isn't about what you can put in it...it needs to be totally overhauled...i have yet to create a list of things yet for it, but it is on my todo list to get done soon | 19:10 |
| sbalneav | I'd like to focus this time on non-ltsp related bugs. | 19:10 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: yeah, I understand that, it needs a complete update like the kde-docs ;) | 19:10 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: ok, let's make that an agenda item for next meeting (deciding of the date for the bug day). Sounds good ? | 19:10 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: correct me if I'm wrong, but ltsp's fairly stable at this point, yes? It's working pretty good for me at this point. | 19:10 |
| sbalneav | stgraber++ | 19:11 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: yep, it's really stable and should be even more so with 5.2 | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | yeah, next agendat. | 19:11 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10: fyi, friday is probably cut off date on kubuntu-docs...hopefully you will have those done, if not I am closing off contribs from everyone, freezing the branch | 19:11 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: I am almost done today :) | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | nixternal: Thought we didn't have to get docs in until string freeze | 19:12 |
| stgraber | a doc day should also get planned after FF | 19:12 |
| nixternal | sbalneav: correct, but I am driving a kubuntu-docs rewrite | 19:12 |
| nixternal | I own it, I control it, and that's how it is :D | 19:13 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: lol | 19:13 |
| stgraber | next item is highvoltage's, so we'll wait for him | 19:14 |
| stgraber | alkisg: Anything you want to mention about fat clients ? | 19:15 |
| sbalneav | nixternal: I have no problem with that :) | 19:15 |
| nixternal | hehe | 19:15 |
| sbalneav | He who does the work makes the rules :) | 19:15 |
| alkisg | Well the fat client plugin is working pretty well for me, I guess it only needs a little cleanup with daemons etc | 19:15 |
| alkisg | I think it'll be a major success for Lucid, once people get familiar with it | 19:16 |
| alkisg | We'll do more testing in the next week, so I'll know more then. Right now it seems pretty solid, I didn't have any problems at all. | 19:16 |
| stgraber | great | 19:17 |
| sbalneav | Hooray | 19:17 |
| stgraber | now, speaking of Edubuntu DVD, we don't have a build since a week or so due to dependency issue, a new livefs script has been uploaded, so I expect to get a DVD image tomorrow. If not, I'll need to poke ubuntu-release about it. | 19:18 |
| sbalneav | The dep's nothing I/We did, is it? | 19:18 |
| stgraber | Also, we have seen no activity on that bug open to get rid off these 2GB of extra packages on the DVD. I'll probably start poking some people directly too. | 19:18 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: it's, we depend on some stuff in universe and the scripts only allow main at the moment. | 19:19 |
| sbalneav | ah | 19:19 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: there was a technical board decision that we are now allowed to build on universe but it was never actually applied to the scripts ... | 19:19 |
| stgraber | it's now fixed since yesterday and so the next DVD build should work. | 19:19 |
| sbalneav | perfect. | 19:19 |
| sbalneav | And the sabayon issue that you and I fixed is ok> | 19:20 |
| sbalneav | ? | 19:20 |
| alkisg | So we'll get down to what, 1.1 Gb? | 19:20 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: yes, this one is fixed. | 19:20 |
| stgraber | alkisg: 1.6GB once we have a ltsp chroot on it but yeah, that's the idea. | 19:20 |
| alkisg | Cool | 19:20 |
| stgraber | mgariepy is currently on the phone, so we'll continue with the website and then talk about the menu editor | 19:20 |
| sbalneav | Good. Lots of room for content when we can package/make some. | 19:20 |
| stgraber | any status update on the website ? | 19:20 |
| dhillon-v10 | yeah, website bugs down to 4 | 19:21 |
| dhillon-v10 | 2 of them are content design that HedgeMage is going to take care of | 19:21 |
| dhillon-v10 | stgraber: and there's one that needs feedback from the community, I guess highvoltage can probably take care of that :) | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | There a link to the new site we can look at? | 19:22 |
| dhillon-v10 | the new site is comming out nicely, do you guys want to see our test environment | 19:22 |
| dhillon-v10 | sbalneav: yeah just a sec. | 19:22 |
| sbalneav | Yes, please and thanks | 19:22 |
| dhillon-v10 | http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/ | 19:23 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/ | 19:23 |
| sbalneav | Oh, yeah. Tres sexy | 19:24 |
| dhillon-v10 | sbalneav: there's a lot on there that needs more work, and just wait for some time, we are going to put up an awesome website :) | 19:25 |
| stgraber | looks great | 19:25 |
| dhillon-v10 | stgraber: thanks :) | 19:26 |
| Ahmuck | drupal tab icon needs to be changed to edubuntu icon | 19:26 |
| sbalneav | It already looks great. | 19:26 |
| dhillon-v10 | Ahmuck: yeah, I'll fix that, thanks for bringing that up | 19:26 |
| Lns | http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/UsingAddOnCd - is this still relevant? | 19:27 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/UsingAddOnCd - is this still relevant? | 19:27 |
| sbalneav | I personally REALLY dislike the "two great big bands of nothing down either side of the page" web style that we, and seemingly lots of sites have. | 19:27 |
| sbalneav | I have a wide screen monitor for a reason. | 19:27 |
| sbalneav | CUZ I WANT A LOT OF STUFF ON THE SCREEN!!!11one :) | 19:27 |
| Lns | hahaha | 19:27 |
| sbalneav | Glad to see that the new site fills up the screen. | 19:28 |
| sbalneav | dhillon-v10 & HedgeMadhe += 1*10^8 for that thing alone | 19:28 |
| stgraber | mgariepy: status on the menu editor ? | 19:28 |
| dhillon-v10 | sbalneav: :) we need to get community feedback, so far seems like people like it, any thing you guys would like to add so I can close that bug | 19:28 |
| dhillon-v10 | sbalneav: thanks :) I'll get that to HedgeMage as well | 19:29 |
| mgariepy | for edubuntu-menueditor, again it's gona be done this week (sorry), i need to correct the packaging for lucid. to push this in universe | 19:29 |
| mgariepy | and i need to make a quick userguide for this. | 19:30 |
| mgariepy | any questions? | 19:30 |
| sbalneav | mgariepy: Know much about docbook? | 19:30 |
| sbalneav | If you don't, just type up some stuff, I'll docbook it for you. | 19:30 |
| mgariepy | sbalneav, not really, but i can learn ;) | 19:31 |
| Ahmuck | possible to have a multi-user .wine system in place for 10.10? | 19:31 |
| mgariepy | when i start this i will contact you sbalneav, just to get started. | 19:32 |
| sbalneav | Makes more sense for you to code at this point. Just send me a .txt file, I'll send you a gnome-doc-utils ready .xml file. | 19:32 |
| sbalneav | I can also show you all the magic you need in autoconf for it. | 19:32 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: define "multi-user"? Wine's multi-user now. | 19:32 |
| mgariepy | ok then. but i don't have much coding to do, just make the packaging correctly. | 19:33 |
| sbalneav | But yeah, I don't see a problem with shipping wine. | 19:33 |
| sbalneav | mgariepy: Well, I can help you with that. | 19:33 |
| stgraber | ok, so let's hope we have that on REVU this week, so we can get it in universe by next meeting. | 19:34 |
| Ahmuck | sbalneav: thx, i'll test | 19:34 |
| stgraber | that way we should be fine with getting it in main before the FF | 19:34 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: Are you talking about being able to install a wine program ONCE, and then it's available for all users? | 19:34 |
| stgraber | not having highvoltage around I don't know if we have much to talk about for the wiki and the netbook interface. Anyone has something to say about one of these ? | 19:35 |
| sbalneav | hv did a great deal of work on the wiki. | 19:35 |
| sbalneav | And I think we owe him a debt of gratitude. | 19:36 |
| sbalneav | And beer. | 19:36 |
| stgraber | yep, the wiki day went really good and Jonathan did an amazing job there | 19:36 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: I'll take care of the second, once he finally gets here ;) | 19:36 |
| dhillon-v10 | stgraber: I'll probably send out an email sometime this week and list out some minor edits I would like to make, then we can discuss on what should be done and what shouldn't | 19:36 |
| stgraber | dhillon-v10: sure, feel free to send that to the ML and we'll discuss them | 19:37 |
| dhillon-v10 | stgraber: after finishing kubuntu-docs :) | 19:37 |
| Ahmuck | sbalneav: once, and then programs once, and have programs avaialbe to all users with the .individual configuration files in each users directory. is this possible? | 19:38 |
| Ahmuck | oh, btw, i'm speaking of ltsp | 19:38 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: Well, ANYTHING's possible :) | 19:38 |
| dhillon-v10 | stgraber: would like to talk to you after the meeting, would you be around in #edubuntu | 19:38 |
| stgraber | ok, so just before we wrap up, I wanted to mention that LTSP is getting really stable and upstream is doing a very good job there. LTSP 5.2 will clearly rocks | 19:39 |
| stgraber | anything else for the meeting ? we still have 20 minutes left | 19:39 |
| stgraber | dhillon-v10: I "should" be around, probably not always in front of my computer but I'll read whatever you post there for sure | 19:39 |
| dhillon-v10 | stgraber: thanks :) | 19:40 |
| * alkisg would like to hear details about the "Lucid netbook" agenta item... | 19:40 | |
| stgraber | alkisg: yeah, unfortunately highvoltage isn't around ... | 19:40 |
| alkisg | Ah, next time then | 19:40 |
| Lns | Is there anything going on w/Sugar for edubuntu? | 19:40 |
| stgraber | alkisg: AFAIK, we have all the required packages on the DVD at the moment, they can easily be installed by using the DVD as a repository. | 19:41 |
| stgraber | Lns: nope, we said that we'd care about sugar if someone was willing to take care of it in Ubuntu, so far, nobody answered. | 19:41 |
| Ahmuck | sorry, i gtg, i'm not feeling well today. | 19:42 |
| stgraber | Lns: it's way too big to add that on our roadmap for Lucid if we don't have someone who can dedicate some time working on it | 19:42 |
| Lns | I'm not sure how i could help, but I'd love to in some way get sugar going at some point ( lucid+1?).. | 19:43 |
| stgraber | lucid+1 seems a realistic target, lucid isn't (FF is too close) | 19:43 |
| Lns | sure, that's totally understandable | 19:43 |
| Lns | please let me know what i can do as a non-coder | 19:43 |
| Lns | i will do my own research too to see | 19:43 |
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| stgraber | Lns: I guess that a first step would be to check what's in Debian, what's upstream and what's in Ubuntu | 19:45 |
| stgraber | Lns: just to get an idea of what we should have and how different it's from what's in Debian | 19:45 |
| * Lns starts googling | 19:45 | |
| stgraber | ok, seems like we won't have highvoltage today and we don't have anything else to discuss. | 19:46 |
| stgraber | Thanks everyone from attending and see you next week ! | 19:46 |
| alkisg | Thank you all :) | 19:46 |
| Lns | thanks stgraber and everyone else =) | 19:46 |
| sbalneav | Argh, darned kids | 19:47 |
| sbalneav | back | 19:48 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: hehe, you only missed me saying that the meeting is over ;) | 19:48 |
| sbalneav | Perfect | 19:48 |
| Lns | wow, sugar seems to be pretty active lately in ubuntu. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu | 19:51 |
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