[13:20] <bittin> http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/027/7/1/eeedebian_wmii_by_bittin.png me likes <3
[13:56] <jiboumans> o/
[13:56] <zul> hewlo
[13:57] <jiboumans> morning zul
[13:57] <jiboumans> just a heads up; you're today's scribe :)
[13:57]  * stgraber waves
[13:57]  * mathiaz waves
[13:57] <ttx> o/
[13:57] <zul> morning jiboumans
[13:58] <mjeanson> hi
[13:58] <zul> jiboumans: yeah weee :)
[13:58]  * jjohansen waves
[13:58] <nijaba> O/
[13:58]  * nijaba has a big head today
[13:58] <alexm> o/
[13:58] <zul> nijaba: oh crap ;)
[13:59] <smoser> good morning all
[14:00] <jiboumans> soren, kirkland: around?
[14:00] <kirkland> o/
[14:00] <kirkland> jiboumans: yup
[14:00] <jiboumans> ok, let's get the party started
[14:00] <jiboumans> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is jiboumans.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:00] <jiboumans> today's scribe is zul
[14:00] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] last week's action review
[14:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  last week's action review
[14:00] <jiboumans> Action: smoser to publish karmic cloud image refresh
[14:01] <soren> o/
[14:01] <smoser> done.
[14:01] <jiboumans> fwiw, the last meetings logs are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20100120 i'll be calling action points in order. please prep your answers
[14:02] <jiboumans> smoser: ta
[14:02] <jiboumans> Action: Everyone: update status for your specs before the meeting starts
[14:02] <jiboumans> looking here, a few aren't updated yet: http://macaroni.ubuntu.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-lucid-alpha-3.html
[14:02] <ttx> jiboumans: bad link
[14:02] <jiboumans> please have them updated a few hours before this meeting at the latest, so they show up there
[14:02] <ttx> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-lucid-alpha-3.html
[14:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-lucid-alpha-3.html
[14:02] <jiboumans> ttx: right, it's moved.. my bad
[14:03] <jiboumans> [ACTION] everyone to update their specs status before the meeting. srsly!
[14:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  everyone to update their specs status before the meeting. srsly!
[14:03] <jiboumans> Action: ttx, zul to blog about papercuts, make sure UWN gets the word
[14:03] <ttx> you still have one minute to complete before we go to spec review mode
[14:03] <ttx> jiboumans: done
[14:03] <zul> blogged about it need to talk to the UWN people
[14:03] <ttx> zul: showed up in UWN already
[14:03] <ttx> zul: no need to pester them
[14:03] <jiboumans> excellent
[14:04] <zul> ttx: ah sweet
[14:04] <jiboumans> zul++ ttx++
[14:04] <jiboumans> Action: ttx to send email about criteria and nomination to ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-server
[14:04] <ttx> done
[14:04] <jiboumans> excellent; details later on in the agenda
[14:04] <jiboumans> Action: smoser to raise thread about the no-ramdisk / -virtual config tradeoff
[14:04] <smoser> done, and kernel configs changed
[14:05] <smoser> don't know if there is a build available or not, but it wen to fix-commited early this week
[14:05] <jjohansen> they will be in the next kernel upload
[14:05] <jiboumans> ok, i'd like to discuss the details later on in the kernel section
[14:05] <jiboumans> smoser++ jjohansen++
[14:05] <jiboumans> Action: zul, kirkland to unassign themselves from "maybe working on one day" bugs
[14:05] <zul> done
[14:05] <kirkland> jiboumans: done
[14:05] <jiboumans> excellent
[14:05] <jiboumans> moving on
[14:05] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Alpha3 subcycle planning
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha3 subcycle planning
[14:06] <jiboumans> What's in the WI tracker is what we're committed to: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-lucid-alpha-3.html
[14:06] <jiboumans> everything that's marked 'medium' or higher is faily sure to make it into alpha3. 'low' prio specs are targets of opportunity
[14:06] <jiboumans> we'll do our best to get as many of those done as possible
[14:06] <jiboumans> note there's not been much change on this since last week, but we expect it to be pretty much stable now, barring any external factors messing with it
[14:07] <jiboumans> any questions about the alpha3 plans?
[14:07] <zul> nope
[14:07] <soren> no
[14:08] <jiboumans> excellent, moving on
[14:08] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] spec quick review (ttx)
[14:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  spec quick review (ttx)
[14:08] <ttx> OK, general status is on the same magic page
[14:08] <ttx> I wanted to look into those "high" specs that are < 30 %
[14:08] <ttx> and team members that also are below that threshold
[14:09] <ttx> server-lucid-apport-hooks: 22%
[14:09] <zul> will be updating it today
[14:09] <ttx> server-lucid-canonical-application-support: 20%
[14:09] <zul> will be working on it today
[14:09] <ttx> I'd like to see those completed, as they are spillover from alpha2
[14:09] <ttx> ok
[14:09] <ttx> server-lucid-seeds: 13%
[14:10] <zul> ctdb needs to be worked on
[14:10] <ttx> mathiaz ^
[14:10] <mathiaz> ttx: more WI showed up to figure out why packages haven't been dropped from main
[14:10] <ttx> is that analysis taking long ?
[14:10] <mathiaz> ttx: nope
[14:10] <ttx> ok, so thaey should be burnable quite fast, ok
[14:10] <mathiaz> ttx: yes
[14:10] <ttx> server-lucid-uec-testing: 0%
[14:11] <mathiaz> ttx: was blocked on server access - which is done now
[14:11] <mathiaz> ttx: blocked on a installer bug now
[14:11] <mathiaz> ttx: I need to sync up with kirkland
[14:11]  * kirkland waves at mathiaz 
[14:12] <mathiaz> ttx: all the remaining WI rely on having a working UEC cloud
[14:12] <ttx> mathiaz: hmm, ok. Please update status to reflect the blockage
[14:12] <jiboumans> mathiaz: anything myself or ttx can do to move this along?
[14:12] <mathiaz> I don't think so - for now
[14:12] <ttx> or maybe refactor the WI to make it more obvious where we block
[14:13] <ttx> looks like this is blocking on one or more work yitems that are piori to all others
[14:13] <ttx> prior
[14:13] <ttx> but that doesn't appear in the work item for that spec
[14:13] <ttx> server-lucid-ec2-config: 0%
[14:13] <mathiaz> ttx: and how do you express that a WI is blocking others?
[14:14] <ttx> you don't, but having one INPROGRESS shows what you're working on
[14:15] <ttx> mathiaz: my understanding is that what you're doing (clearing out the basic infra stuff) isn't reflected in any WI currently
[14:15] <mathiaz> ttx: ah - I though INPROGRESS was equal to TODO
[14:15] <ttx> mathiaz: it's equal for the machine
[14:15] <zul> same
[14:15] <ttx> the report considers it the same. But /I/ understand better what you're blocking on
[14:15] <smoser> server-lucid-ec2-config: i'm still working on getting all the config stuff pulled in.  the cloud-config is largely functional in the released images, and more in ec2-init bzr
[14:16] <smoser> there are a few items left to pull in: EBS mounts, ephemeral storage RAID or mount points, runurl
[14:17] <mathiaz> ttx: ok
[14:17] <ttx> smoser: when do you think you can have boothooks/ec2-config completed ?
[14:17] <smoser> before next week.
[14:17] <ttx> smoser: cool, that will give us time to discuss XC2, then ;)
[14:17] <smoser> yeah
[14:17] <ttx> Moving to people under 30%
[14:18] <ttx> mathiaz - 10%
[14:18] <ttx> I think we know where its blocking
[14:18] <ttx> hm, everyone is under 30%
[14:18] <ttx> Let's burn some work items, everyone :)
[14:19] <ttx> jiboumans: anything you wanted to add ?
[14:19] <jiboumans> ttx: to focus on getting the specs in shape for next weeks sprint
[14:19] <jiboumans> if you have anything you need f2f time with the team, or others of the platform team, make sure your code's in a shape to get cracking straight away on monday
[14:20] <jiboumans> that is all, thank you :)
[14:20] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] server-lucid-papercuts (ttx)
[14:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  server-lucid-papercuts (ttx)
[14:20] <ttx> So the effort was announced, and we now have...
[14:21] <ttx> 4 external papercutters members
[14:21] <ttx> and...
[14:21] <ttx> 18 nominations so far
[14:22]  * alexm started nominating today, more to come
[14:22] <ttx> Please continue to blog about it, we are not overwhelmed yet :)
[14:22] <jiboumans> alexm++
[14:22] <jiboumans> ttx: remind us, what's the next step?
[14:22] <ttx> Today I wanted to discuss measurable objectives, if any
[14:22] <ttx> Should we have a papercut-fixing target goal ?
[14:23] <ttx> The desktop papercutters had to fix 10bugs per week, during 10 weeks
[14:23] <ttx> Should we also have a plan, or just people taking up accepted bugs from that bug list when they can ?
[14:23] <mathiaz> ttx: well - it depends on how many submission we have
[14:24] <zul> well we have 18 nominations so far so maybe 2 a week so far and adjust according as time goes by
[14:24] <mathiaz> ttx: have bugs already been accepted?
[14:24] <ttx> no. We can't commit much time to fixing them before FF anyway
[14:24] <mathiaz> ttx: I know I've already declined one bug (about mysql)
[14:25] <ttx> We could have a session during the meeting where we approve them
[14:25] <jiboumans> i do like hte idea of taking x bugs for y weeks (in our case the betas probably)
[14:25] <ttx> though that would overload the meeting
[14:25] <mathiaz> ttx: well - the list of nomination need to be approved at some point
[14:26] <mathiaz> ttx: *then* people can start working on a fix
[14:26] <ttx> ok, I propose that we review the papercuts proposals in next meeting... but lets make it quick, people should review them in advance
[14:26] <ttx> and we have a quick +1 round
[14:26] <jiboumans> agreed
[14:26] <ttx> we'll do it at the end of the meeting, on the remaining time
[14:26] <jiboumans> ttx: want an action of some sort?
[14:27] <ttx> jiboumans: yes, action me on announcing that
[14:27] <jiboumans> [ACTION] ttx to announce papercuts nominations
[14:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ttx to announce papercuts nominations
[14:27] <ttx> we want as many papercutters as we can to participate in that review
[14:27] <ttx> so I'll announce externally
[14:28] <ttx> and we'll try to do an x bugs / y weeks thing.
[14:28] <ttx> I'm done
[14:28] <jiboumans> excellent
[14:28] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] server-lucid-apport-hooks update (zul)
[14:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  server-lucid-apport-hooks update (zul)
[14:28] <jiboumans> same for you: what's the current status and what'st he next steps?
[14:28] <zul> so php5, eucalyptus is done for the high priority ones, samba is being worked on now, and vmbuilder hasnt started yet
[14:29] <zul> i havent gotten any contributions from the community yet
[14:29] <ttx> Doing apport hooks is easy ! and fun !
[14:29] <jiboumans> zul, mathiaz: any suggestions where we might find interested parties? at the UDS session it seemed lots of people had input at least
[14:29] <zul> yes it is!
[14:30] <zul> jiboumans: i prodded some people on the security team to help out as well
[14:30] <alexm> ttx: too bad they're not in Perl :P
[14:30] <zul> jiboumans: maybe send an email to ubuntu-server
[14:30] <Daviey> It might be a good idea to have a blog post + link to "how to".
[14:30] <ttx> alexm: if you can do perl, you can do apport hooks, python is not very complex :)
[14:30] <alexm> :D
[14:31] <jiboumans> daviey: agreed
[14:31] <ttx> Daviey: we sorta have that
[14:31] <jiboumans> alexm: from one perl guy to another: think of python as the llama book and you'll be fine ;)
[14:31] <ttx> Daviey: zul blogged about it and the server/apporthooks wikipage has links to doc
[14:32] <ttx> Daviey: but yes, zul should have done a DeveloperWeek session on server apport hooks :)
[14:32] <Daviey> ttx: Without actively searching, i can't think of a  "how to write apport hooks" post or wiki page i've seen linked to
[14:32] <jiboumans> let's do another call then on the lists and point people at the blog/page
[14:32] <Daviey> really!?  /me wonders how he missed that
[14:32]  * Daviey hides.
[14:32] <jiboumans> [ACTION] zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement
[14:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement
[14:32] <zul> acked
[14:32] <ttx> Daviey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ApportHooks
[14:32] <jiboumans> zul: anything else on apport hooks?
[14:32] <zul> nope
[14:33] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] PHP 5.3 for lucid (zul)
[14:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  PHP 5.3 for lucid (zul)
[14:33] <zul> so alot of people have been asking about php 5.3 for lucid
[14:33] <zul> mathiaz has bugged me a couple of times about it as well
[14:33] <zul> and i checked with debian and they want to move to 5.3 for squeeze
[14:34] <zul> my preference is to stay with 5.2 for lucid but that isnt popular
[14:34] <Daviey> zul: Have you thought about what to do with the short tag deprecation.. AIUI PHP are now shipping with it disabled, but it will break a whole lot of websites.
[14:34] <zul> the reason why to stay with 5.2 for lucid is that php 5.3 breaks applications such as mediawiki and drupal 5 doesnt support it (but we do have drupal )
[14:35] <zul> Daviey: i think debian is disabling it as well
[14:35] <zul> i just want to know what poeple think
[14:36]  * Daviey agrees with zul that 5.2 is safer for an LTS.. However, -security might feel differently.
[14:36] <zul> the discussion for php 5.3 in debian is at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2010-January/006602.html
[14:36] <ttx> zul: so the choice is between old 5.2 or incompatible 5.3 ?
[14:36] <mathiaz> zul: do you have a list of other important webapps that break /don't support 5.3?
[14:36] <ttx> zul: any indication of upstream support lifetime for both versions ?
[14:37] <zul> mediawiki and drupal is the one i know about right now
[14:37] <Daviey> mathiaz: ANY code snippet using <? rather than <?PHP , with the settings shipped as default.
[14:37] <zul> ttx: 5.3 will get security updates faster than 5.2
[14:37] <jmdault> Question: is it possible to ship 5.2 but to have the possibility to have 5.3 in backports?
[14:37] <mathiaz> jmdault: yes
[14:37] <zul> 5.2 and 5.3 dont install nicely at the same time right now
[14:37] <mathiaz> zul: faster - how about longer?
[14:38] <zul> mathiaz: no idea
[14:38] <nijaba> Magento and Joomla seem to have issues as well
[14:39] <ttx> I'd follow the jmdault suggestion
[14:39] <jiboumans> i dont think it's realistic to repackage all those for php5.3 before ff
[14:39] <ttx> if it breaks several apps we care about
[14:39] <ttx> we need to think "platform"
[14:39] <ttx> and ship what is required upper in the stack to run
[14:40] <ttx> not necessarily what the developers want to use
[14:40] <ttx> they can use backports for that
[14:40]  * nijaba fully agrees
[14:40] <ttx>  /but/ I'd throw a discussion on ubuntu-devel about it
[14:40] <ttx> just to take the wolves temperature.
[14:41] <mathiaz> zul: ^^ yes - I'd request for feedback on -devel and -server
[14:41] <jiboumans> if there's no other breakage other than configuration, we may have an option to ship a different default config
[14:41] <mathiaz> zul: outlining which application are *currently* not working with 5.3
[14:41] <ttx> zul: how feasible is it to ship both ? (/me shows PHP ignorance)
[14:41] <zul> ttx: it would be alot of work
[14:42] <soren> They can't coexist.
[14:42] <ttx> zul: ok, it was never done before
[14:42] <mathiaz> ttx: I don't think we wanna do that - as it means one would in be universe the other in main
[14:42] <mathiaz> ttx: and then which one in main?
[14:42] <mathiaz> we're back to square one then
[14:42] <ttx> mathiaz: my question was about how did we handle similar transitions in the past. If there never was 2 PHPs, its not the timt to introduce that
[14:42] <mathiaz> I'd suggest we go with 5.2 in main for lucid, and ship 5.3 in -backports if there is a lot of demand
[14:42] <jiboumans> [ACTION] zul to raise php5.3 update on -server and -devel mailinglist. outline which apps are currently not working with 5.3
[14:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to raise php5.3 update on -server and -devel mailinglist. outline which apps are currently not working with 5.3
[14:43] <jmdault> Two versions of PHP don't work
[14:43] <zul> acked
[14:43] <ttx> jmdault: cool, one more reason to hate it
[14:43]  * Daviey seems to remember we had a similar discussion for 5.3 inclusion in karmic.
[14:43] <jmdault> I tried that in the past for Mandriva, and hell broke loose
[14:44] <jiboumans> anything else on the php front zul?
[14:44] <zul> nope
[14:44] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren)
[14:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren)
[14:44] <jmdault> Daviey: I remember a similar discussion for PHP3 ;-)
[14:44] <soren> Hm...
[14:44] <soren> I don't have anything to report, I think.
[14:44] <soren> Questions?
[14:44] <jiboumans> soren: we're interested in hwo the automated qa thing is going of course
[14:45] <soren> jiboumans: It's going well.
[14:45] <alexm> soren++, yesterday's class on server automation was great
[14:45] <ttx> soren: yep, sounds like funny stuff :)
[14:45] <soren> jiboumans: The PPA builds have been moved to a team ppa, so more people are being notified of build failures..
[14:45] <soren> I'm working on getting more of the qa-regression-testing tests run on a daily basis..
[14:46] <soren> and the ISO testing thing will hopefully be moved to the DC soon-ish.
[14:46] <mathiaz> soren: what's the ISO testing thing?
[14:46] <jiboumans> soren++ the testing phase was long overdue
[14:47] <ttx> soren: any progress on the server QA position ?
[14:47] <soren> mathiaz: My automated ISO testing thing. I had a UDW session on it last night, if you care to read the logs.
[14:47] <soren> mathiaz: I'll be demoing it next week, if not.
[14:47] <soren> ttx: Yes. "Some".
[14:47] <soren> :)
[14:47] <mathiaz> soren: with screenshots and the framebuffer?
[14:48] <soren> mathiaz: Yup.
[14:48] <alexm> mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/AutoServerTests
[14:48] <soren> Hang on, let me find a link for you..
[14:48] <mathiaz> soren: alexm: thanks
[14:48] <ttx> alexm++
[14:48] <soren> http://people.canonical.com/~soren/lamplvminstall.avi
[14:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~soren/lamplvminstall.avi
[14:49] <soren> That's an automatic LAMP install with LVM "partitioning".
[14:49] <soren> It fails in the end, but it sort of shows a bit of what's going on.
[14:49] <mathiaz> soren: great - thanks
[14:50] <jiboumans> any other questions for soren or the QA team?
[14:50] <jiboumans> ok, moving on
[14:50] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:50] <jiboumans> specifically: Summarize outcome of discussion about bug 494565 (smoser, jjohansen)
[14:51] <smoser> jjohansen, ?
[14:51] <smoser> otherwise i'll just go.
[14:51] <jjohansen> we changed the suggested configs to builtin
[14:51] <jjohansen> ie. virtio, virtnet, and 1 scsi
[14:51] <jjohansen> it boots in limited testing
[14:52] <jjohansen> I have test images for any who want, or you can wait for the next kernel upload
[14:52] <ttx> jjohansen: eta for next kernel upload ?
[14:52] <jjohansen> there is some concern about these configs changing behavior, so we need wide testing
[14:52] <jjohansen> ttx: my guess is friday
[14:53] <jiboumans> jjohansen: can our QA setup help with this?
[14:53] <jjohansen> I don't know
[14:53] <jiboumans> soren: ^
[14:53] <ttx> jjohansen: I didn't see a real conclusion to that ML thread, I guess the kernel team decided it was reasonably risk-free ?
[14:53] <soren> Not really.
[14:53] <soren> Well..
[14:54] <jjohansen> well reasonably risk free
[14:54] <jjohansen> there is some concern
[14:54] <soren> Some, not not anywhere near the amount of testing we'd get by just putting it out there and have people report back when things blow up.
[14:54] <jjohansen> the virt configs always present themselves
[14:55] <ttx> jjohansen: My concern is if it would blow up some fringe server hardware that always worked well, and nobody tests before release
[14:55] <jiboumans> jjohansen: i guess our real question is how do we know it's safe to put this in an LTS, and when is the latest point we need to decide?
[14:56] <jjohansen> right, there is no guarentee
[14:56] <soren> I'm curious..
[14:56] <jjohansen> we don't know of anything breaking, and don't believe anything should
[14:56] <soren> What driver are people using if this one doesn't work for them?
[14:56] <soren> What is the canonical replacement for it?
[14:57] <jjohansen> soren: which driver are you referring to?
[14:57] <jjohansen> virtio, virtnet, scsi?
[14:57] <soren> the scsi one that seems to be the main concern.
[14:57] <jjohansen> actually I am more concerned on virt
[14:57] <soren> Why?
[14:58] <jjohansen> the scsi driver has been around long enough we are reasonably confident that its bugs have been worked out
[14:58] <jiboumans> i think this dense enough to warrant a face 2 face discussion
[14:58] <jiboumans> as you'll all be at next weeks sprint, i suggest we raise the issue there
[14:58] <jiboumans> is that ok?
[14:58] <jjohansen> good idea
[14:58] <soren> ok
[14:58] <jiboumans> thanks
[14:58] <jiboumans> jjohansen++ for fixing kernels
[14:58] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html (ttx)
[14:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html (ttx)
[14:59] <ttx> Nothing assigned to team
[14:59] <ttx> I noticed a ew "New" bugs there, those should probably be Confirmed or Triaged if they have an assignee
[15:00] <ttx> One question, about http://launchpad.net/bugs/499520
[15:00] <ttx> smoser: ^
[15:00] <ttx> Do we finally know what caused the surge in RAM usage ?
[15:00] <ttx> I know soren asked a question about it
[15:00] <smoser> i gave soren some feed back. i'm not sure.
[15:00] <soren> I talked to the kernel guys about it.
[15:01] <smoser> my suspicion is upstart, or rather loads of jobs running parrallel that previously ran serial
[15:01] <soren> They seemed to think we were reading the numbers wrong. They made a convincing argument.
[15:01] <smoser> at least in boot that would account for balloon
[15:01] <smoser> soren if we're reading the numbers wrong, then so is OOM
[15:01] <smoser> as that is what pointed out the problem, processes dieing
[15:02] <ttx> ok, I'd want to know where this one is coming from, and where it can be going. Should we just switch our minds to a mode where a minimal image needs 300Mb of RAM...
[15:02] <nijaba> another subject for the sprint?
[15:02] <soren> smoser: It doesn't say anything about OOM in the bug?
[15:02] <ttx> nijaba: yes
[15:02] <ttx> jiboumans: done, next
[15:02] <smoser> soren, well "fails to boot" i think . but maybe its not there.
[15:02] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[15:02] <jiboumans> eh, oops
[15:02] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz)
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz)
[15:03] <jiboumans> that first ;)
[15:03] <kirkland> ttx: i'd like to think a minimal image should run in 256MB of mem
[15:03] <smoser> we no longer need 300Mb of RAM for boot, as swap is being enabled again. so that avoids OOM.
[15:03] <ttx> kirkland: yes, me too.
[15:03] <mathiaz> nothing on the nomination lists
[15:03] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[15:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[15:03] <ttx> kirkland: that's why I talked about "mind adjustment"
[15:03] <mathiaz> anything worth SRU on the list above?
[15:03] <zul> checking
[15:04] <kirkland> ttx: yeah, i'm with you ... honestly, i never run my VM's with less than 512MB, but i think we're doing something wrong if we *require* 300MB just to boot
[15:04]  * soren agrees
[15:04] <soren> I'm running a lot of hardy VM's on 64 MB just fine.
[15:04] <soren> Hm.... with swap, though.
[15:04] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[15:04] <mathiaz> anything worth SRU on the list above?
[15:04] <zul> 462172, 480152, 502878, 500457
[15:05] <zul> 504897 and that one as well
[15:06] <soren> bug 462172, bug 480152, bug 502878, bug 500457, bug 504897
[15:06] <kirkland> soren: yeah, come to think of it, I'm running hardy in my hosted VPS with 128MB (+swap)
[15:07] <mathiaz> zul: seems like good candidates - nominate/accept them
[15:07] <zul> k
[15:07] <mathiaz> anything else?
[15:07] <mathiaz> that's all for the SRU review
[15:07] <mathiaz> then
[15:07] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[15:08] <jiboumans> going once...
[15:08] <jiboumans> going wtice...
[15:08] <jiboumans> alright
[15:08] <Daviey> BANG
[15:08] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[15:08] <jiboumans> next week we won't have a meeting, as the entire platform team will be at a sprnt
[15:08] <jiboumans> the next meeting will be Feb 11th, same time, same channel
[15:09] <jiboumans> thank you all for your time
[15:09] <jiboumans> #endmeeting
[15:09] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:09.
[15:09] <alexm> thanks
[16:00] <mvo> hello, meeting time
[16:00] <cjwatson> hi
[16:00] <mvo> barry, cjwatson, ev, tremolux, lool, doko, mvo, slangasek (anyone missing from that list?)
[16:00] <ev> hiya
[16:01] <lool> Hey!
[16:01] <tremolux> howdy everyone
[16:01] <doko> here
[16:02] <mvo> ok,lets start
[16:02] <mvo> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is mvo.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <mvo> the agenda is:
[16:02] <mvo> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0127#Agenda
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0127#Agenda
[16:02] <mvo> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:02] <mvo> Order is: barry, cjwatson, ev, tremolux, lool, doko, mvo, slangasek
[16:02] <mvo> Please use (done) when finishedOrder is: barry, cjwatson, ev, tremolux, lool, doko, mvo, slangasek
[16:02] <mvo> Please use (done) when finished
[16:04] <cjwatson> no barry?
[16:04] <cjwatson> I'll go
[16:04] <mvo> hm, he said he is there, let skip him for now and he can have his turn when he is back
[16:04] <cjwatson> done: dealt with most of network device problems in foundations-lucid-fix-iscsi-root; grub dm-raid fixes
[16:04] <cjwatson> blocked: nothing
[16:04] <cjwatson> (done)
[16:04] <cjwatson> todo: finish grub device-id work (carried over, but should now be able to test it usefully on dm-raid as well); move on to designing UI for LVM/RAID in ubiquity (carried over)
[16:05] <ev> Trying to get to the bottom of bug 497942, finishing up a fix for the broken console-setup, trying to decide on the best debconf interface for specifying a package pool in oem-config (that is, whether to require a public key that the packages are signed with is required, or whether to just use allow-unauthenticated)
[16:05] <ev> blocked: design for the page transitions stuff
[16:05] <ev> (done)
[16:06] <tremolux>  Software Center work; finished app reselect functionality,
[16:06] <tremolux>  added keyboard navigation feature (LP: #509783).
[16:06] <tremolux>  Will try to hit more bugs this week.
[16:06] <tremolux>  No blockers.  Done.
[16:06] <lool> Last week I mostly focused on fixing some qemu-kvm issues, and low hanging fruits in vmbuilder; MIRs kept me busy too.  This week, I am tackling more MIRs and working on pbuilder apt config generation; I am also trying to create a bootable rootfs without running any target code (and not deffering any setup to the first boot of course ;-).
[16:06] <lool> (done)
[16:06] <mvo> qemu-kvm> nice!
[16:08] <mvo> doko, can you go next?
[16:08] <doko> * ARM: review thumb2 problem list, summary of outstanding ARM toolchain issues, gnat build
[16:08] <doko> * GCC 4.4.3 packages
[16:08] <doko> * some python updates
[16:08] <doko> * first batch of package syncs and merges
[16:08] <doko> * blocked on sun-java partner upload
[16:08] <doko> (done)
[16:08] <mvo> thanks
[16:08] <mvo> worked on apt-dynamic cdrom spec (via libudev), support-timeframe-information, will work on software-center (reviews branch, local repository support)
[16:08] <mvo> (done)
[16:09] <lool> slangasek: Around?
[16:09] <slangasek> worked on the plymouth bugs from A2; one "solved", one pending; did an analysis of converting samba to upstart
[16:10] <slangasek> blocked: upstart needs a new feature before samba can use upstart jobs :)
[16:10] <slangasek> (done)
[16:10] <mvo> lets try barry again now
[16:10] <mvo> he is here, he said in private irc that the paste did not made it into the channel for some reason
[16:11] <mvo> I will just paste his summary for him:
[16:11] <cjwatson> perhaps he isn't identified to nickserv
[16:11] <mvo> I was on leave, so it was a short week for me.  I worked on a rewrite of PEP
[16:11] <mvo>  999 which is now ready for an official submission upstream.  I also worked on
[16:11] <mvo>  some bugs in computer-janitor (503727) and read up on dbus and policykit. EOT
[16:12] <mvo> [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Milestoned bugs
[16:12] <mvo> I see 22 targeted, are there any particular ones that you want to tlak about?
[16:12] <mvo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21445
[16:13]  * mvo got some that he needs to focus on this week/next week
[16:13] <cjwatson> so for us, two plymouth, two update-manager, one unattended-upgrades
[16:14] <cjwatson> I'll knock two off that list by main promotions now
[16:14] <mvo> the unattended-upgrades one ties into plymouth, the notication on shutdown that the shutdown is waiting for a upgrae to finish needs to get ported to plymouth
[16:14] <mvo> is that something we could talk about on the sprint maybe?
[16:14] <barry> sigh.  can you hear me now?
[16:14] <slangasek> barry: ohai
[16:15] <mvo> yes, loud and clear
[16:15] <slangasek> mvo: sure
[16:15] <cjwatson> mvo: can you put it on the sprint wiki page?
[16:15] <mvo> cjwatson: will do
[16:15] <barry> mvo, slangasek yay!  sorry about that.  thanks for pasting my status
[16:15] <mvo> [ACTION] mvo add #506709   to sprint agenda
[16:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mvo add #506709   to sprint agenda
[16:15] <slangasek> the second plymouth bug should be 'fix committed' by end of day, the server guys have confirmed my fix is good
[16:16] <mvo> slangasek: cool, thanks
[16:16] <mvo> next is [TOPIC] Targeted bugs
[16:16] <mvo> quite a few in
[16:16] <mvo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs
[16:17] <cjwatson> I'll polish off that grub2 one at the sprint - it just needs a test run
[16:18] <cjwatson> I'd appreciate somebody taking the casper/plymouth one, bug 500198 - I don't really know plymouth well enough yet unfortunately
[16:18] <cjwatson> ev: can you have a look at bug 432422 at some point?
[16:18] <ev> yes
[16:19] <slangasek> I'll take 500198, then
[16:19] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:19] <slangasek> unless someone else is keen to get their feet wet?
[16:19] <mvo> I suspect the unattended-upgrades one is pretty similar to this one
[16:21] <mvo> aynthing else from this list? otheriwse we can move to the sponsoring queue
[16:21] <mvo> [TOPIC] Sponsorship queue
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsorship queue
[16:21] <mvo> pleae sponsor!
[16:21]  * mvo is guilty of not doing that well unfortunately
[16:22] <mvo> the list is pretty long
[16:22] <mvo> [TOPIC] Spot check of A3 specs with low completion rate
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Spot check of A3 specs with low completion rate
[16:22] <mvo> slangasek: that is your topic, right?
[16:23]  * slangasek throws in a mea culpa on sponsorship :(
[16:23] <slangasek> mvo: yep
[16:23] <doko> dholbach did stop the explicit nagging
[16:23] <slangasek> I put a list of specs in the agenda that have desktop WIs, and are high or critical with a completion rate < 25%
[16:23] <dholbach> doko: I think randa mails the managers about it directly now. ;-)
[16:23] <slangasek> please have a look there at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0127#Agenda
[16:24] <mvo> foundations-lucid-software-center-repository-based-index: that is a joint effort of soyuz and me, we need to sit together during the sprint, it requires a good chunk of work from both sides, its going to be difficult to land it
[16:24] <slangasek> obviously we have the sprint coming up, so it's not a big deal to have specs that aren't worked on yet, but I want to make sure that they're on someone's radar
[16:24] <cjwatson> foundations-lucid-reliable-device-id-in-grub: this is further along than it looks from the completion rate; there are a bunch of things there that will all be resolved all at once, and that are a good distance along.  poor planning perhaps.  I know I keep saying "nearly done" but I really do expect to have this done by the end of the sprint
[16:25] <slangasek> and that if anyone needs more help, we can shuffle things around sooner rather than later
[16:25] <mvo> foundations-lucid-index-based-downloads-client> client side of the above spec, needs serious hacking too, probably from me
[16:25] <cjwatson> foundations-lucid-fix-iscsi-root: having a hard time getting a response from one of the bug reporters here, but once I complete the discussion with QA it should be relatively easy to flush this out
[16:25] <cjwatson> foundations-lucid-gfxboot-update: still no word from DX on this
[16:25] <ev> foundations-lucid-oem-dvd-iso: mostly just need to write the tool
[16:26] <slangasek> dx-lucid-xsplash> hmm, I mean to claim that WI
[16:27] <slangasek> cjwatson: gfxboot-update> time for a gentle ping at the release meeting, or time for hyper-nag-mode? :)
[16:27] <cjwatson> time to jump on bratsche at the sprint, I'm thinking ...
[16:27] <cjwatson> I've tried the gentle ping twice now
[16:27] <cjwatson> actually thrice if you count mails
[16:28] <slangasek> obile-lucid-une-2d-launcher> heh, I guess that's on the list because someone has one of the MIR's assigned to self
[16:28] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok
[16:29] <mvo> is there any business from activity reports (I haven't seen any)?
[16:29] <mvo> that should be discussed here?
[16:30] <cjwatson> not from activity reports, but could people please fill out https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Lucid/Foundations with their plans?
[16:30] <cjwatson> all the items there right now were added by me, and are certainly not representative
[16:30] <mvo> ACTION: please fill out https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Lucid/Foundations
[16:32] <mvo> [TOPIC] Good news
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good news
[16:32] <mvo> new apt with libudev support for getting the cdrom drive - /cdrom can go away
[16:32] <slangasek> good news: there's a fix in lp:ubuntu/plymouth that should let us get plymouth back out of the initramfs
[16:32] <slangasek> (so if anyone wants to help test that today, I'll feel a lot more confident about uploading it to the archive :)
[16:33] <cjwatson> good news: merges.ubuntu.com is working again
[16:33] <mvo> yipiieee
[16:33] <cjwatson> bad news: I'm probably going to want a bunch of you to help me with cross-compile fixes for Chromium OS at the sprint ;-)
[16:34] <slangasek> aaaaahhh
[16:34] <mvo> so we need a "BAD News topic" ?
[16:35] <doko> cjwatson: do you see differences in packages when cross-building them (at least I do building gcc-4.4 as a cross)
[16:36] <cjwatson> doko: from time to time, but in this case they're usually not important
[16:36] <cjwatson> at least if you mean things like bits being left out because they aren't cross-compilable
[16:37] <mvo> the template has "# Reminder for release meeting, if due this week " now, who is going to represent us in the release meeting
[16:37] <doko> I think of tests which are not run for a cross build, leaving out complete features
[16:37] <cjwatson> yes, this happens sometimes.  for this project leaving out features is on average good :-)
[16:38] <doko> heh
[16:39] <mvo> release-meeting> anyone?
[16:40] <cjwatson> I'll do it
[16:40] <mvo> thanks
[16:40] <mvo> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:42] <slangasek> none from me, except the side-channel stuff I just thought of :)
[16:42] <mvo> side-channel?
[16:43] <slangasek> mvo: i.e., pinging cjwatson directly about something that doesn't need to hold up the group :)
[16:43] <mvo> ok :)
[16:43] <mvo> 3
[16:43] <mvo> 2
[16:43] <mvo> 1
[16:43] <mvo> #endmeeting
[16:43] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:43.
[16:43] <barry>  mvo: thanks!
[16:43] <slangasek> thanks, all :)
[16:44] <ev> thanks
[16:46] <tremolux> thanks!
[17:01] <soren> Hey. I just stopped by to say I won't be joining today. This fever just gets worse and worse, and now I'm giving up.
[17:02] <ara> soren, ok, get well soon!
[17:02] <sbeattie> soren: get better, man!
[17:02] <ara> marjo has asked me to lead the meeting, as he is getting troubles to join in
[17:02] <soren> I'll do my best. Thanks, guys.
[17:03] <ara> so, let's start
[17:03] <ara> #startmeeting
[17:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:03. The chair is ara.
[17:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:03] <soren> he's not identified to freenode.
[17:03] <soren> ...so he can't join this channel as it's +R.
[17:03] <ara> Agenda:
[17:04] <cr3> The table is marjo, and the rest of us are napkins.
[17:04] <ara> # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[17:04] <ara> # Bugday highlights -- pedro
[17:04] <ara> # Ubuntu 8.04.4 point release testing -- ara
[17:04] <ara> cr3, lol
[17:04] <ara> wow, small agenda today
[17:04] <ara> it is going to be short, I guess
[17:04] <ara> [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[17:05] <sbeattie> SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2009-12-20):
[17:05] <sbeattie> * karmic: 5 new packages in -proposed (debian-installer, gnome-power-manager, gtk+2.0, krb5, langpacks), and 12 packages pushed to -updates (autokey, bzr, bzr-builddeb, cairo, courier, ec2-init, evolution-mapi, pulseaudio, quassel, rhythmbox, software-center, vim-rails)
[17:05] <sbeattie> * jaunty: 1 package pushed to -updates (gdesklets)
[17:05] <sbeattie> * intrepid: no SRU activity
[17:05] <sbeattie> * hardy: 5 new packages in -proposed (base-files, debian-installer, klibc, langpacks, squirrelmail) and 3 packages pushed to -updates (cdrom-detect, debian-installer-utils, grub)
[17:05] <sbeattie> * dapper: no SRU activity
[17:05] <sbeattie> Thanks to Tomas Pospisek, mzc, Przemysław Kulczycki, sam tygier, Adam Stark, Chris Conway, Novecento, nesquix, Mitch Towner, stgraber, Luke Faraone, Jean-Baptiste Lallement, WilliamWolf, and others for testing this week.
[17:05] <sbeattie> That's all I have on the SRU front, unless there are any questions.
[17:06] <ara> not that I can think of
[17:07] <ara> [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- pedro
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugday highlights -- pedro
[17:07] <pedro_> On Thursday 21 we celebrated a bug day based on Network Manager Applet:
[17:07] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100121
[17:07] <pedro_> great participation from the bugsquad
[17:07] <pedro_> ~70 bugs were triaged, Thanks a lot to our hug day heroes: xteejx, kamusin, cyan-spam, boniek, vish, osintsev and yofel
[17:08] <pedro_> and on the same week i was contacted by the Ubuntu One folks to try to organize a bug day based on one of their packages
[17:08] <pedro_> so Tomorrow, we're having a bug day on which the target will be Ubuntu One Client
[17:09] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100128
[17:09] <ara> controversial one :)
[17:09] <pedro_> thanks to Joshua Hoover and Kamusin for helping out to set up everything
[17:09] <pedro_> heh yeah
[17:09] <davmor2> ara: is that it's new name ;)
[17:10] <pedro_> well some folks already started to work on it (yes we have an awesoem community!), so if you have a few spare minutes don't be shy and join us ;-)
[17:10] <pedro_> that's all from here ara
[17:10] <ara> ok, pedro, thanks
[17:10] <ara> [TOPIC] Ubuntu 8.04.4 point release testing -- ara
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu 8.04.4 point release testing -- ara
[17:11] <ara> Well, hardy point release is looking very good now
[17:11] <ara> only some more tests to cover
[17:11] <sbeattie> what's remaining?
[17:11] <davmor2> m-a I'm hitting them now
[17:12] <ara> thanks davmor2!
[17:12] <sbeattie> woot, thanks davmor2.
[17:12] <ara> if nothing bad happens, everything will be ready for tomorrow and the LAST hardy point release
[17:13]  * marjo waves
[17:13]  * charlie-tca waves
[17:13] <ara> hey marjo, charlie-tca
[17:13] <marjo> thx ara
[17:14] <ara> all, in all, if you want to practice ISO testing, a little more coverage is always more than welcome
[17:14] <ara> as usual, ISO testing is happening at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:14] <ara> [LINK] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:14] <ara> and I think that's all from me
[17:14] <davmor2> ara: only point of concern seems to be the missing autorun.inf and umenu.exe off of the cd
[17:15] <ara> davmor2, is it release critical?
[17:16] <davmor2> slangasek: ^  I don't think it is it just means you need to open the cd in browser mode and click on wubi.exe
[17:16] <marjo> ara: was ameetp introduced?
[17:16] <ara> marjo, no, it wasn't in the agenda
[17:16] <ara> marjo, go ahead
[17:17] <ameetp> hi everyone.  Ameet Paranjape here.  Joining Canonical as a QA engineer
[17:17] <marjo> [TOPIC] Welcome Ameet Paranjape
[17:17] <ameetp> looking forward to working with all of you
[17:17] <fader_> ameetp: Welcome!
[17:17] <bdmurray> ameetp: welcome
[17:17] <davmor2> ameetp: congrats
[17:18] <charlie-tca> ameetp: welcome
[17:18] <pedro_> welcome ameetp!
[17:18] <slangasek> davmor2: it's a behavior change and a regression, but probably tolerable, yes
[17:18] <sbeattie> ameetp: hey, welcome!
[17:18] <ara> ameetp, welcome!
[17:18] <davmor2> ara: ^ there's your answer
[17:18] <ameetp> thank you
[17:22] <marjo> are we done?
[17:22] <ara> I think so
[17:22] <marjo> ara, folks: thx!
[17:22] <marjo> see you next time
[17:23] <ara> cheers!
[17:23] <davmor2> thanks
[17:23] <pedro_> thanks
[17:23] <fader_> Thanks all
[17:24] <kamusin> thanks!
[18:59]  * stgraber waves
[19:00]  * Lns rides in on a segway
[19:00]  * alkisg salutes everyone
[19:00]  * sbalneav waves
[19:00] <stgraber> Jonathan is currently away on jabber, I hope he'll be arriving soon
[19:02] <Lns> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda - please take one and pass the rest down
[19:04] <dhillon-v10> i made it in just time :)
[19:04] <stgraber> good, highvoltage is in the channel anyway so he'll easily be able to catch up when he comes back
[19:04] <stgraber> #startmeeting
[19:04] <MootBot> stgraber, There is already a meeting in progress.
[19:04] <stgraber> hmm, who forgot to end the previous meeting ? ;)
[19:05] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[19:05] <stgraber> ok, looks like we'll need to do that without the bot
[19:05] <stgraber> so, first on the agenda is sbalneav's work on sabayon
[19:05] <stgraber> sbalneav: anything you want to talk about ?
[19:06] <sbalneav> Sure
[19:07] <sbalneav> 1) Sabayon is working, so we can remove that from the agenda as an ongoing item.
[19:07] <sbalneav> 2) Another bug day's coming up, I'll handle that one.  Last one was quite successful.
[19:07] <sbalneav> 3) I'll be ramping up soon to get the handbook into some kind of shape.
[19:08] <sbalneav> That is all, citizens.  Keep watching the skies.
[19:08] <stgraber> great, did we decide on a date for the second bug day ?
[19:08] <dhillon-v10> sbalneav: :) working on the hand-book but slow progress
[19:08] <sbalneav> dhillon-v10: You have a branch of your own?
[19:09] <nixternal> hola
[19:09] <sbalneav> stgraber: I'm thinking post-feature freeze
[19:09] <dhillon-v10> sbalneav: not yet, just got down some of the stuff and looking at what can/should I put in it, then later on maybe I'll push a branch
[19:09] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: hi :)
[19:09] <sbalneav> That will be the time to work on spit-n-polish
[19:10] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: it isn't about what you can put in it...it needs to be totally overhauled...i have yet to create a list of things yet for it, but it is on my todo list to get done soon
[19:10] <sbalneav> I'd like to focus this time on non-ltsp related bugs.
[19:10] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: yeah, I understand that, it needs a complete update like the kde-docs ;)
[19:10] <stgraber> sbalneav: ok, let's make that an agenda item for next meeting (deciding of the date for the bug day). Sounds good ?
[19:10] <sbalneav> stgraber: correct me if I'm wrong, but ltsp's fairly stable at this point, yes?  It's working pretty good for me at this point.
[19:11] <sbalneav> stgraber++
[19:11] <stgraber> sbalneav: yep, it's really stable and should be even more so with 5.2
[19:11] <sbalneav> yeah, next agendat.
[19:11] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: fyi, friday is probably cut off date on kubuntu-docs...hopefully you will have those done, if not I am closing off contribs from everyone, freezing the branch
[19:11] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: I am almost done today :)
[19:12] <sbalneav> nixternal: Thought we didn't have to get docs in until string freeze
[19:12] <stgraber> a doc day should also get planned after FF
[19:12] <nixternal> sbalneav: correct, but I am driving a kubuntu-docs rewrite
[19:13] <nixternal> I own it, I control it, and that's how it is :D
[19:13] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: lol
[19:14] <stgraber> next item is highvoltage's, so we'll wait for him
[19:15] <stgraber> alkisg: Anything you want to mention about fat clients ?
[19:15] <sbalneav> nixternal: I have no problem with that :)
[19:15] <nixternal> hehe
[19:15] <sbalneav> He who does the work makes the rules :)
[19:15] <alkisg> Well the fat client plugin is working pretty well for me, I guess it only needs a little cleanup with daemons etc
[19:16] <alkisg> I think it'll be a major success for Lucid, once people get familiar with it
[19:16] <alkisg> We'll do more testing in the next week, so I'll know more then. Right now it seems pretty solid, I didn't have any problems at all.
[19:17] <stgraber> great
[19:17] <sbalneav> Hooray
[19:18] <stgraber> now, speaking of Edubuntu DVD, we don't have a build since a week or so due to dependency issue, a new livefs script has been uploaded, so I expect to get a DVD image tomorrow. If not, I'll need to poke ubuntu-release about it.
[19:18] <sbalneav> The dep's nothing I/We did, is it?
[19:18] <stgraber> Also, we have seen no activity on that bug open to get rid off these 2GB of extra packages on the DVD. I'll probably start poking some people directly too.
[19:19] <stgraber> sbalneav: it's, we depend on some stuff in universe and the scripts only allow main at the moment.
[19:19] <sbalneav> ah
[19:19] <stgraber> sbalneav: there was a technical board decision that we are now allowed to build on universe but it was never actually applied to the scripts ...
[19:19] <stgraber> it's now fixed since yesterday and so the next DVD build should work.
[19:19] <sbalneav> perfect.
[19:20] <sbalneav> And the sabayon issue that you and I fixed is ok>
[19:20] <sbalneav> ?
[19:20] <alkisg> So we'll get down to what, 1.1 Gb?
[19:20] <stgraber> sbalneav: yes, this one is fixed.
[19:20] <stgraber> alkisg: 1.6GB once we have a ltsp chroot on it but yeah, that's the idea.
[19:20] <alkisg> Cool
[19:20] <stgraber> mgariepy is currently on the phone, so we'll continue with the website and then talk about the menu editor
[19:20] <sbalneav> Good.  Lots of room for content when we can package/make some.
[19:20] <stgraber> any status update on the website ?
[19:21] <dhillon-v10> yeah, website bugs down to 4
[19:21] <dhillon-v10> 2 of them are content design that HedgeMage is going to take care of
[19:21] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: and there's one that needs feedback from the community, I guess highvoltage can probably take care of that :)
[19:22] <sbalneav> There a link to the new site we can look at?
[19:22] <dhillon-v10> the new site is comming out nicely, do you guys want to see our test environment
[19:22] <dhillon-v10> sbalneav: yeah just a sec.
[19:22] <sbalneav> Yes, please and thanks
[19:23] <dhillon-v10> http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/
[19:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/
[19:24] <sbalneav> Oh, yeah.  Tres sexy
[19:25] <dhillon-v10> sbalneav: there's a lot on there that needs more work, and just wait for some time, we are going to put up an awesome website :)
[19:25] <stgraber> looks great
[19:26] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: thanks :)
[19:26] <Ahmuck> drupal tab icon needs to be changed to edubuntu icon
[19:26] <sbalneav> It already looks great.
[19:26] <dhillon-v10> Ahmuck: yeah, I'll fix that, thanks for bringing that up
[19:27] <Lns> http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/UsingAddOnCd - is this still relevant?
[19:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://edubuntu.frogandowl.org/UsingAddOnCd - is this still relevant?
[19:27] <sbalneav> I personally REALLY dislike the "two great big bands of nothing down either side of the page" web style that we, and seemingly lots of sites have.
[19:27] <sbalneav> I have a wide screen monitor for a reason.
[19:27] <sbalneav> CUZ I WANT A LOT OF STUFF ON THE SCREEN!!!11one :)
[19:27] <Lns> hahaha
[19:28] <sbalneav> Glad to see that the new site fills up the screen.
[19:28] <sbalneav> dhillon-v10 & HedgeMadhe += 1*10^8 for that thing alone
[19:28] <stgraber> mgariepy: status on the menu editor ?
[19:28] <dhillon-v10> sbalneav: :) we need to get community feedback, so far seems like people like it, any thing you guys would like to add so I can close that bug
[19:29] <dhillon-v10> sbalneav: thanks :) I'll get that to HedgeMage as well
[19:29] <mgariepy> for edubuntu-menueditor, again it's gona be done this week (sorry), i need to correct the packaging for lucid. to push this in universe
[19:30] <mgariepy> and i need to make a quick userguide for this.
[19:30] <mgariepy> any questions?
[19:30] <sbalneav> mgariepy: Know much about docbook?
[19:30] <sbalneav> If you don't, just type up some stuff, I'll docbook it for you.
[19:31] <mgariepy> sbalneav, not really, but i can learn ;)
[19:31] <Ahmuck> possible to have a multi-user .wine system in place for 10.10?
[19:32] <mgariepy> when i start this i will contact you sbalneav, just to get started.
[19:32] <sbalneav> Makes more sense for you to code at this point.  Just send me a .txt file, I'll send you a gnome-doc-utils ready .xml file.
[19:32] <sbalneav> I can also show you all the magic you need in autoconf for it.
[19:32] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: define "multi-user"?  Wine's multi-user now.
[19:33] <mgariepy> ok then. but i don't have much coding to do, just make the packaging correctly.
[19:33] <sbalneav> But yeah, I don't see a problem with shipping wine.
[19:33] <sbalneav> mgariepy: Well, I can help you with that.
[19:34] <stgraber> ok, so let's hope we have that on REVU this week, so we can get it in universe by next meeting.
[19:34] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: thx, i'll test
[19:34] <stgraber> that way we should be fine with getting it in main before the FF
[19:34] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: Are you talking about being able to install a wine program ONCE, and then it's available for all users?
[19:35] <stgraber> not having highvoltage around I don't know if we have much to talk about for the wiki and the netbook interface. Anyone has something to say about one of these ?
[19:35] <sbalneav> hv did a great deal of work on the wiki.
[19:36] <sbalneav> And I think we owe him a debt of gratitude.
[19:36] <sbalneav> And beer.
[19:36] <stgraber> yep, the wiki day went really good and Jonathan did an amazing job there
[19:36] <stgraber> sbalneav: I'll take care of the second, once he finally gets here ;)
[19:36] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: I'll probably send out an email sometime this week and list out some minor edits I would like to make, then we can discuss on what should be done and what shouldn't
[19:37] <stgraber> dhillon-v10: sure, feel free to send that to the ML and we'll discuss them
[19:37] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: after finishing kubuntu-docs :)
[19:38] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: once, and then programs once, and have programs avaialbe to all users with the .individual configuration files in each users directory.  is this possible?
[19:38] <Ahmuck> oh, btw, i'm speaking of ltsp
[19:38] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: Well, ANYTHING's possible :)
[19:38] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: would like to talk to you after the meeting, would you be around in #edubuntu
[19:39] <stgraber> ok, so just before we wrap up, I wanted to mention that LTSP is getting really stable and upstream is doing a very good job there. LTSP 5.2 will clearly rocks
[19:39] <stgraber> anything else for the meeting ? we still have 20 minutes left
[19:39] <stgraber> dhillon-v10: I "should" be around, probably not always in front of my computer but I'll read whatever you post there for sure
[19:40] <dhillon-v10> stgraber: thanks :)
[19:40]  * alkisg would like to hear details about the "Lucid netbook" agenta item...
[19:40] <stgraber> alkisg: yeah, unfortunately highvoltage isn't around ...
[19:40] <alkisg> Ah, next time then
[19:40] <Lns> Is there anything going on w/Sugar for edubuntu?
[19:41] <stgraber> alkisg: AFAIK, we have all the required packages on the DVD at the moment, they can easily be installed by using the DVD as a repository.
[19:41] <stgraber> Lns: nope, we said that we'd care about sugar if someone was willing to take care of it in Ubuntu, so far, nobody answered.
[19:42] <Ahmuck> sorry, i gtg, i'm not feeling well today.
[19:42] <stgraber> Lns: it's way too big to add that on our roadmap for Lucid if we don't have someone who can dedicate some time working on it
[19:43] <Lns> I'm not sure how i could help, but I'd love to in some way get sugar going at some point ( lucid+1?)..
[19:43] <stgraber> lucid+1 seems a realistic target, lucid isn't (FF is too close)
[19:43] <Lns> sure, that's totally understandable
[19:43] <Lns> please let me know what i can do as a non-coder
[19:43] <Lns> i will do my own research too to see
[19:45] <stgraber> Lns: I guess that a first step would be to check what's in Debian, what's upstream and what's in Ubuntu
[19:45] <stgraber> Lns: just to get an idea of what we should have and how different it's from what's in Debian
[19:45]  * Lns starts googling
[19:46] <stgraber> ok, seems like we won't have highvoltage today and we don't have anything else to discuss.
[19:46] <stgraber> Thanks everyone from attending and see you next week !
[19:46] <alkisg> Thank you all :)
[19:46] <Lns> thanks stgraber and everyone else =)
[19:47] <sbalneav> Argh, darned kids
[19:48] <sbalneav> back
[19:48] <stgraber> sbalneav: hehe, you only missed me saying that the meeting is over ;)
[19:48] <sbalneav> Perfect
[19:51] <Lns> wow, sugar seems to be pretty active lately in ubuntu. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu