[00:44] * sebner hopes asac is not working anymore :P [00:45] rickspencer3: thx for the talk, I'll catch you next week then :) [00:49] byez [00:50] gn8 :) [01:23] <[reed]> s/Yahoo!/Bing/ [01:23] <[reed]> however, Bing is a fine choice [01:23] <[reed]> Bing is a good competitor to Google [01:23] whoa [01:23] bing... really? [01:24] <[reed]> you do know that MSFT is buying Yahoo!'s search division, right? [01:24] <[reed]> so, it's effectively bing -> yahoo -> ubuntu [01:24] <[reed]> which is amusing [01:25] <[reed]> makes fixing bug 1 even more interesting ;) [01:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout) [07:27] hi! have you considered to add mozilla lightning/sunbird to ubuntu-mozilla-daily ppa? [07:38] So I hear everybody is complaining about the yahoo switch in firefox, good thing I use chromium, and none of this concerns me === ripps_ is now known as ripps [09:10] rickspencer3: while you guys are considering partnering with yahoo! , you should ask them to remove the warning "Of OS not supported" , users get if they are using Yahoo!Mail in Ubuntu ;) [09:12] warning is rather > " The all-new Yahoo! Mail has not been tested with your operating system. [09:12] You can choose to continue anyway, or simply go to Yahoo! Mail Classic." [09:28] morning [10:03] so can i look at email? [10:04] e.g. is it still reasonably calm=? [10:14] asac: are you asking about the yahoo!mail ? or the mailing list discussion? [10:14] both [10:15] asac: ML , seems well behaved ;) however you might wanna look at this blog , > http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/ [10:16] asac: yahoo!mail , works fine , i'v been using it for more than a year or ever since new yahoo came into use and havent had any problems [10:17] that title looks trollish [10:17] yeah , the title could have been better ;) [10:17] but the suggestion in the blog isnt really too bad [10:17] "forces changes in my browser" ;) [10:17] might calm down the chicken littles ;) [10:32] heh yeah [10:33] * asac checks whether chromium biuld on all three archs [10:33] great [10:33] sitting in bin NEW for armel, i286 and amd64 [10:38] bug 511151 [10:38] Launchpad bug 511151 in sun-java6 "java are not reconize by firefox 3.6 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511151 [10:41] asac: didn't micah said sun did not update for the new stuff in 3.6? [10:41] fta2: does chromium look in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ? [10:41] asac, it used to [10:41] BUGabundo_remote: i dont know if they updated something ... what i know is that it should still work, but just is in the wrong location [10:41] so i'd say yes [10:42] fta2: ok ;) [10:45] Conflicting tags: [10:45] 4.0.305.0~svn20100123r36929-0ubuntu1 [10:46] asac, did you touch the tag yesterday? i moved it after the 3rd try [10:46] fta@cube:/data/bot/chromium-browser.head $ bzr tags [10:46] 4.0.305.0~svn20100123r36929-0ubuntu1 475 [10:46] fta2: i ran debcommit -r [10:47] odd [10:47] i knew i had a release before [10:47] then checked with bzr tags [10:47] and was amazed that i didnt see any [10:47] so i was able to just tag the new upload without --delete first [10:47] strange [10:47] also bzr didnt complain [10:48] e.g. so the tag probably was just on your side [10:48] i just committed a fix for the daily, lp was down [10:49] them, it started to complained about the tag for push & pull [10:49] maybe the tag needs to be updated manually on lp... [10:49] weird [10:55] fta2: what about ffmpeg package ... you think you can try to get that in the archive? [10:55] i assume you should split it to not contain the non-free bits [10:56] but probably one needs to check if we can split to multiverse by just binary packages [10:56] but i think it needs separate sources [10:58] can you ask someone if it's possible? i think it is [10:58] but well, i don't know [10:58] libavcodec52 is in main [10:58] libavformat52 too [10:58] libavutil-extra-49 is in multiverse [11:01] asac, ^^ [11:01] but we now ship a sumo of those [11:04] fta2: what does "a sumo of those" mean? [11:52] fta2: so i would like to move to dev channel for the follow up uploads of chromium [11:52] is the packaging merged already there? === BUGabundo_remote is now known as BUGabundo_lunch [13:15] asac, yes, i want to use a channel too. did you read my comments about that to jcastro yesterday? [13:16] no [13:16] asac, the sumo lib is just a single .so containing all the objects that used to be in 3 different .so. we had to do that to avoid the LD_LIBRARY_PATH which was making the totem plugin crash [13:16] right [13:17] but nonfree sumo is still split from free? [13:17] no, it's a completely different .so [13:17] each codec deb provides a single sumo [13:19] ok [13:46] !info libevas-svn-05-engines-x lucid [13:46] libevas-svn-05-engines-x (source: evas): Evas module providing the X11 engines. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9.063-1 (lucid), package size 54 kB, installed size 212 kB [14:14] vish, I use Yahoo mail, and have been for like 10 years, never got "not supported" [14:14] I wonder if it's because I don't use the the fancy dhtml interface [14:15] yeah, it's the DHTML thing they browser sniff on [14:15] and sniff badly, I might add === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo_work [14:20] rickspencer3: you use the old yahoo!classic or the new yahoo!mail ? , i sent the screenshot btw [taken today] ;) [14:21] old school [14:21] vish, I'm following up right now, actually [14:21] sending an email to the folks who know the folks at Yahoo! [14:21] I'll try to get it straightened out [14:21] vish, I assume it actually works fine, right? [14:23] rickspencer3: yeah , it works fine[without any problems I can remember] but just this annoying message.. was/is pretty embarrassing when telling others to migrate to Ubuntu [14:23] rickspencer3: they have some weird weird UA sniffing, we get that on nightly builds [14:23] ok [14:23] thanks vish [14:23] thanks mconnor [14:23] rickspencer3: thanks for looking into it :) [14:23] rickspencer3: how's the wave of hatred hitting you today? ;) [14:23] mconnor, quiet ... [14:24] too quiet [14:24] ;) [14:24] oh, that's even worse, yeah' [14:24] I am pleasantly surprised by counterbalancing voices in the community [14:24] yeah, that's a good sign, and it's good that there's a healthy debate [14:25] yeah [14:25] the word "whore" was used maybe a bit more than I would like :/ [14:25] ah, yes [14:25] well [14:25] that'll happen [14:25] but I did want to ensure a good long time to have the discussion and get feedback before we made the change [14:27] yeah, that's good if you can do it [14:27] rickspencer3: slashdot had a nicer twist > "this would seem to mean that Microsoft will be paying people for using Ubuntu" ;) [14:28] hehe [14:28] I guess [14:28] vish, tbh, it's hard to find companies that *haven't* partnered with Microsoft in some way [14:28] they have deals with everyone, it seems [14:28] * rickspencer3 checks slashdot [14:29] MS isn't _nearly_ as evil as they used to be [14:29] hehe [14:29] right, ever since I quit [14:30] :/ [14:30] d'oh [14:30] I lowered the Microsoft evil average, and raised the Canonical level ;) [14:30] j/k [14:30] I mean, I know MS wants to make lots of money. I'm cool with that. [14:30] yeah, well, they don't make it like they used to [14:30] true [14:30] I still have a few friends who work there, and it seems things have changed [14:31] but the license to print money thing was never going to last, it didn't for IBM either [14:31] yup [14:31] tbh, they are still pretty evil, I think [14:31] in the sense that they would make things the way they used to be if they could [14:31] humm [14:31] sure, and google wants to know everything you do online [14:32] does the new agreement with Yahoo, mean they will fix their pages to work with Ubuntu ? [14:32] and any FLOSS browser? [14:32] any? [14:32] ok, major [14:32] doubtful, we've had agreements for years ;) [14:32] mconnor: and you are ? [14:32] firefox dev? [14:33] but they really just need to fix their UA sniffing [14:33] yup [14:33] * BUGabundo_work confirms with /whois [15:04] asac: we can update the package hook to allow bugs to be filed [15:05] micahg: thanks. i think we already did that [15:05] asac: yeah, that's what pitti said, but it doesn't work :( [15:05] micahg: is that true for hardy? [15:05] idk [15:06] it doesn't work on karmic [15:11] asac: it's not in the ff36 hook [15:11] and the ff36 hook isn't installed [15:18] micahg: we should merge it over for sure [15:18] now that we have a package to file bugs against [15:18] asac: it's in there, just the install is disabled [15:18] guess we already renamed the source package to firefox? [15:18] ah ok [15:18] yep [15:18] thats easy enough [15:18] lets see who first gets to it. would be good to have it in tomorrows dailes [15:19] ... ok [15:19] ok [15:19] * asac has to get lunch [15:27] <[reed]> BUGabundo_work: mconnor is the module owner for Firefox [15:31] <[reed]> rickspencer3: at least you get to live in our (Mozilla's) world for a while when we release some new feature ;) [15:32] <[reed]> like take the awesomebar for example [15:32] hehe [15:32] [reed], I remember when the awesome bar rolled out [15:32] funny to think that people objected at the time [15:32] <[reed]> people still object! [15:32] <[reed]> it's hilarious [15:33] <[reed]> especially because then every other browser copied us [15:33] <[reed]> :P [15:33] well I LOVE IT [15:33] I don't remember if I cried FAUL or not [15:33] huh [15:33] I miss it in chromium :( [15:33] awesome bar is the awesomest [15:33] +1 rickspencer3 [15:34] [reed], one meme that worries me regarding the Yahoo! default change is that some folks are saying that we are screwing over Mozilla [15:34] *sigh* [15:35] it's sad when people make up information, and that becomes the dominant point of discussion [15:35] it's like American politics [15:35] err [15:35] well FWIR [15:36] mozilla used to have a cut in hits done by google search [15:40] <[reed]> "used to" for some definition of time and space ;) [15:41] [reed]: I'm not sure if it ever ended and if so, when [15:41] <[reed]> ah [15:41] <[reed]> well, official Firefox builds still partner with Google in some parts of the world [15:41] [reed]: but feel free to enlint me [15:41] <[reed]> I thought you were talking about Ubuntu [15:42] I have no idea of the limitations of Ubuntu/canonical builds [15:42] in some parts of the world? [15:42] <[reed]> s/some/most/ [15:42] <[reed]> but not all [15:42] Russia, I guess? [15:43] <[reed]> yeah, and I think there's some other place(s), too [15:43] not that I recall [15:43] <[reed]> been a while since I looked at kev bugs [15:43] we had a brief period with Yahoo in Asia [15:44] <[reed]> thought we still had Yahoo! somewhere [15:44] <[reed]> Japan? [15:44] no [15:44] there are partner builds thought [15:44] though [15:44] <[reed]> ah [15:46] rickspencer3: fwiw, it's not an awful concern, and tricky to dissuade without saying some stuff [15:46] like pointing out relative user bases... [15:47] mconnor, sorry, not 100% certain what you are referring to :/ [15:48] rickspencer3: the "screwing over Mozilla" meme [15:48] ah [15:49] right [15:50] rickspencer3: I mean, it's amusing, in a way, that people are worried about us not making enough money, considering how often others rail at us for making too much ;) [15:50] lol [15:52] some Debian guy actually accused us of being corrupted by money at FOSDEM last year [15:54] I am about to go get corrupted by food [15:54] (i.e. have some breakfast and use the energy from that to do more work ;) ) [15:57] mmm, breakfast === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:19] asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=33163 [16:19] asac, nss related [16:27] rickspencer3: I think this line from the slashdot post is great: Since Yahoo search is now powered by Microsoft's Bing, this would seem to mean that Microsoft will be paying people for using Ubuntu. [16:34] :) [16:34] yeah [16:41] <_Groo_> asac: hi asac [16:42] wow double ping ;) [16:42] <_Groo_> asac: BUGabundo_work told me to ask you about the nm 0.8 regression (3g modems not showing up in nm-applet, altought they register correctly in the system) [16:42] <_Groo_> asac: it only works if i boot with the 3g modem already in the usb port... [16:43] <_Groo_> asac: is there a workaround for it? tried evetyhing i could think of.. restarting nm, nm-applet, removing options and usbserial, replugging, even restarting udev [16:43] what modem is that _Groo_ ? [16:43] _Groo_: have you tried the latest from our daily ppa? [16:44] <_Groo_> asac: im using the lucid ones, whats the ppa? the modem is a onda [16:44] <_Groo_> asac: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 19d2:0001 ONDA Communication S.p.A. [16:44] <_Groo_> asac: this was working fine with 8.04 and up, till now... [16:45] <_Groo_> asac: ok sometimes it got intermitent aka having to replug it, but never not showing up in nm-applet after the ttyUSB* are created [16:45] <_Groo_> asac: can you paste the url for the ppa? ill be happy to test it [16:47] _Groo_: the lucis ones should be up to date [16:47] enough [16:47] hmm [16:47] _Groo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingModemmanager [16:47] please do that [16:50] <_Groo_> asac: gonna do that and ill get back to you [16:50] kk [16:51] asac: does xul-1.9.2 need to have xul191 changelog merged in? [16:53] micahg: yeah. and we need to check if all the changes actually made it into that branch [16:54] asac: the only thing I know is missing is dh_xul which I'll add later tonight [16:54] but I can do a diff of the packaging branches to see if anything else is missing [16:57] bbiab [17:00] micahg: yes. that would be good. [19:00] http://glandium.org/blog/?p=854 [19:00] debian 561927 :) [19:00] Debian bug 561927 in iceweasel "iceweasel: Can Iceweasel pretend to be Firefox to services such as safebrowsing ?" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/561927 [19:06] * [reed] rolls eyes [19:06] <[reed]> he's completely wrong as usual [20:02] heh [20:20] asac_, about the codecs, should i just upload and wait? or do you see something that needs to be improved 1st? [20:22] fta: is the license file correct? [20:22] dont have it in front of me [20:22] would have to check [20:23] asac_, it's mostly a copy of the ffmpeg one [20:23] needs review for sure [20:24] ok. does the ffmpeg package do some stripping in get-orig-source or something? [20:24] e.g. is that dfsg? [20:25] if so we should check if we can strip the same [20:34] asac_: do you have time in 30 mins to sponsor an ff extension (webfav)? [20:35] bdrung: what changes? [20:35] asac_: rename to xul-ext- [20:35] is that in debian? [20:35] who is maintainer there? [20:36] asac_: it's my rename all ubuntu only packages to xul-ext- [20:36] asac_: we are the maintainer and it's only in ubuntu. [20:37] why are the source packages renamed? [20:37] micahg: are you around? i have a few questions [20:37] was there any real reason (dont want to question things again) [20:37] ? [20:37] asac_: binary packages (not source) [20:37] i thoght that was only for binary package names [20:37] ah [20:38] bfiller: is the webfav extension free floating or is anyone from your team maintaining that? [20:38] asac_: my only source change was showcase [20:38] bfiller: e.g. packaging wise [20:38] bdrung: i think we hsould wait for bfiller, but in general yes. i can sponsor that [20:38] i thouhgt source name == rename and depends on bin name [20:39] gnomefreak: ? [20:39] dont understand that either ;) [20:39] maybe rephrase [20:40] damnit === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [20:40] gnomefreak: yes [20:41] micahg: why was SM2 SM2.1 striped of the gnome-support and other binaries (off hand dont recall what was built with it outside of the gnome-* [20:41] shouldn't have been [20:41] oh yeah *-browser and so on [20:41] I haven't looked at his package yet [20:41] probably done wrong [20:42] micahg: his PPA doesnt have any of it [20:42] I take no responsibility for his package [20:42] * gnomefreak just installed both 2.0 2.1 and no other binaries were with it [20:42] I haven't had time to review [20:42] next week hopefully [20:42] that's what I told him [20:43] micahg: i know that. just mentioning to ask him about it if im not here. but in no way is it close to ready [20:43] k, gnomefreak [20:43] he said he built off my branch but nothing is close to how i had it [20:44] micahg: thanks [20:44] gnomefreak: BTW, we got the ok for the meeting, during/after 2nd week of feb [20:44] ok was it posted to the mailing list? [20:44] gnomefreak: just need to find a time that you, me, asac, and fta are available [20:45] with 2 weeks notice for the comminity [20:45] other than the 8th it looks like im open for now [20:46] fta: when's a good meeting time for you? [20:47] micahg, i pass, don't wait for me [20:47] _Groo_: did you get that mode info? [20:47] modem [20:48] asac_: how does feb 11 around 16:00 UTC look? [20:48] <_Groo_> asac_: sorry asac_ not yet , im gonna test it tonight or tomorrow at least [20:51] micahg: for meeting? [20:51] asac_: yes [20:51] micahg: looks good [20:52] so fta isnt coming ;)? [20:53] gnomefreak76: Feb 11 16:00 UTC work? [20:55] damnit [20:55] gnomefre1k76: Feb 11 16:00 UTC work? [20:56] ok it is ~20:55 UTC right? [20:56] yes [20:57] give me a minute my brain is failing atm [20:57] 11AM EST [20:57] ah yes [20:57] asac_: pushed to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/webfav.ubuntu [20:57] the 11th sounds good [20:57] micahg: asac_ ok ill add it to my calendar [20:57] gnomefre1k76: do you want to write something up and I'll get it posted to the fridge [20:58] we have an agenda wiki page but i will add the date and time we still need an agenda points [20:58] s/an/ [20:59] asac_: should we rename ubufox, too? [20:59] wtf is with the nane [20:59] gnomefre1k76: ? [20:59] asac_: no one is really maintaining it, but I could help if there is work needed [20:59] asac_: for webfav that is [21:00] gnomefre1k76: I see the agenda page and it's empty :) [21:00] give me a minute to get my nick right :( [21:00] micahg: it should be noone has aded anything to it [21:01] bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/webfav.ubuntu/+merge/18162 [21:02] ill be back in a minute :( [21:02] ok feel better now [21:04] http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2010-01-27/multi-process-plugins-on-by-default/ [21:05] oh this can only end badly :( [21:05] the link in topic that is [21:08] bdrung: I'm fine with this change, just clear it with asac_ [21:15] this is starting to piss me off now === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [21:16] ok micahg can you please add the date/time/whatever else you want to be there. I seem to be haivng issues with network i keep losing connection [21:16] gnomefreak: I'm not so sure about an agenda [21:16] I can add the time [21:17] micahg: ok we can discuss agenda later but mainly to get everyone on same page with Lucid Mozilla ect.. [21:18] at this rate ill never get to email [21:20] k [21:23] thanks [21:24] asac_: your input is required: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/webfav.ubuntu/+merge/18162 [21:54] micahg: also with SM* we need to set signon.startup.prompt to false by default. user will set that when they set up a master password [21:54] gnomefreak: k [21:55] its a bug (havent looked at the bug itself yet but it should not prompt you to give password before browser will open [21:55] )*\ [21:56] ok really hate this theme bullshit bug :( im gone for the day im not having a good day at all [22:38] how can i watch http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#medium [22:38] on linux [22:39] mbana: virtualbox [22:40] seems like apple is doing some checks instead of letting the browser do the right thing [22:40] * micahg suggests writing apple [22:45] pretty sure that won't be very productive :) [23:05] asac_: can you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/ubufox.ubuntu? [23:05] mbana, just open this in totem: http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2010/tours/apple-ipad-video-us-20100127_r480-9cie.mov [23:12] bdrung: why do you push that to ubuntu-dev? [23:13] asac_: because i am not a core-dev, where should i push it instead? [23:14] as a topic branch ... aka merge request [23:14] that one is named like a release branch which its not [23:15] k [23:16] usually you push that to ~bdrung [23:16] asac_: will rename it [23:16] no need to put stuff in ubnutu-dev namespace that is a merg [23:16] e [23:17] asac_: moved to https://code.launchpad.net/~bdrung/firefox-extensions/rename-ubufox [23:18] good [23:18] asac_: merge request does not work (This branch is not mergeable into lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubufox/ubuntu.) [23:18] why? [23:18] hmm [23:18] asac_: probably a bug [23:19] lets hope [23:19] asac_: you should fix the patch system part of ubufox (quilt, but only direct changes) [23:23] yes [23:23] i will think about it [23:28] asac_: can you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~bdrung/firefox-extensions/rename-webfav and release it then? [23:29] bfiller was fine with my changes [23:30] will not work today ;) ... upgrading my system then going to sleep early [23:31] k, good night then [23:32] u2 [23:33] upgrade to lucid finished ;) ... lets hope