[00:36] <Takyoji> So since MPEG4 is also supposedly patented and so forth; would that imply that royalties has to be paid for encoding anything in that format as well?
[00:36] <_diablo> Takyoji, yes.
[00:37] <_diablo> If it's a commercial or distributed media
[00:37] <_diablo> although it's questionable if it'll be enforced in all but the largest cases
[00:56] <kermit> Takyoji: you can patent a file format?
[00:57] <_diablo> mp3 is patented.
[00:57] <_diablo> a lot of them are
[00:59] <kermit> hmm IANAL but it looks like what's patented is encoding and decoding methods
[01:00] <kermit> on mp3 and mpeg4
[01:01] <_diablo> kermit, you're right that the format is not patented, but it's definitely trademarked and copywritten
[01:01] <_diablo> because you can't patent a format
[01:01] <_diablo> you can copyright it.
[01:02] <kermit> i thought copyrights applied to content not containers
[01:05] <_diablo> uhhh, lemme check. I remember listening to an episode of the software freedom law show that talked about this
[01:05] <_diablo> I'm probably mostly wrong though
[01:05]  * _diablo has a bad memory
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: You can patent the software to encode and decode a format.
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> and all of the pieces therein, such that a free one can't be built.  See, MP3.
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> kermit, _diablo: Copyright applies to everything.
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> The container is written, both in specification and in software to create it.  Writings have copyright.
[01:07] <_diablo> kermit, the encoding/decoding is definitely patented though. http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Lame_Installation#Legal_issues
[01:08] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, ah. good to have someone here that knows these things :)
[01:09] <kermit> heh mp3 encoding binaries violate the patent, but not the source? wild
[01:09] <kermit> what about intermediate byte streams like java
[01:10] <kermit> encoding/encoder
[01:11] <_diablo> not sure, sorry
[01:16] <Takyoji> What would be a reasonable RSP/DAAP player?
[01:16] <Takyoji> apparently Songbird doesn't seem to have support
[01:19] <_diablo> vlc?
[01:19] <_diablo> Takyoji, or do you want a music manager?
[01:20] <_diablo> Takyoji, banshee also does it.
[01:20] <_diablo> amarok does it.
[01:20] <_diablo> Takyoji, songbird does do it.
[01:21] <_diablo> http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/1355
[01:21] <Takyoji> Supposedly for an outdated version of Songbird though
[01:21] <Takyoji> thus it denies to install
[01:22] <_diablo> ah
[01:23] <_diablo> Takyoji, you're on SB 1.3?
[01:23] <Takyoji> 1.4.3
[01:23] <Takyoji> "Songbird Daap Client 0.2.7+dev could not be installed because it is not compatible with Songbird 1.4.3"
[01:23] <_diablo> oh.
[01:24] <_diablo> If you don't have a problem with C# and Mono, I'd run Banshee
[02:14] <_diablo> WTF? Ubuntu is ditching Google in lieu of Yahoo! as the default search engine?
[02:14] <_diablo> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/yahoo-new-default-search-engine-for.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+d0od+(Omg!+Ubuntu!)&utm_content=Google+Reader
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: correct
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> Yahoo!'s paying them; Google's not.
[02:15] <_diablo> yeah. still. weird.
[02:15] <_diablo> Linux is already weird enough for people. But I could always point at Ubuntu and tell them "you use firefox for 95% of your tasks. Firefox will be the exact same here"
[02:15] <_diablo> Now I can't.
[02:15] <tonyyarusso> Weird, yes.  Understandable, also yes.
[02:16] <Takyoji> And considering Bing is supposedly going to be the replacement to Yahoo search (in disguise)
[02:16] <Takyoji> IIRC
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> eh, it's not like they can't change it.  Click logo, click the big G, done.
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Which means that Microsoft is paying the salaries of Ubuntu developers, which is hilarious.
[02:16] <Takyoji> heheheh
[02:17] <Takyoji> Did hell freeze over? :o
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> No, didn't you see Sunday's game results?
[02:31] <_diablo> Takyoji, tonyyarusso: this post argues pretty much everything I'm thinking: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/yahoo-new-default-search-engine-for.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+d0od+(Omg!+Ubuntu!)&utm_content=Google+Reader#comment-31447142
[02:34] <Takyoji> Makes sense
[02:34] <_diablo> bbiab, heading home
[04:22] <Takyoji> interesting view: "It seems a little odd to me that the distro has free reign to override Mozilla's deal with Google. If Microsoft were to include Firefox in Windows, would they be free to default it to Bing?"
[04:23] <_diablo> Takyoji, yes. they would.
[04:24] <_diablo> :)
[17:49] <mr_steve> question for discussion: When doing an Ubuntu Hour at a coffeeshop somewhere, would it be prudent to talk to the management ahead of time?
[17:50] <h00k> I don't see the need to, if you're a patron and drinking their coffee/tea
[17:50] <_diablo> mr_steve, I think it's basically essential. We want to put up a sign or something
[17:50] <_diablo> h00k, We're not just going to sit there though, we want to talk to people and open discussion
[17:51] <_diablo> so we'll either be opening discussion or alerting people to our presence somehow
[17:51] <h00k> It definitely couldn't hurt, yeah.
[17:51] <h00k> I'm sure they'd welcome it, after all, it's more business for them!
[17:51] <mr_steve> yeah, I figure it depends on how active/passive we are about things. If we're actively offering people CDs or literature, we'd probably want approval
[17:52] <_diablo> h00k, I wouldn't be so sure. I think small ones wouldn't mind, but something like *bucks might be scared of perception
[17:52] <mr_steve> Eh, fsck starbucks. I'm definitely thinking about the small locally-owned places
[17:52] <_diablo> thank god.
[17:52] <h00k> if I were to do one in Superior, here, I'd do it at a local shop
[17:53] <mr_steve> It takes an act of congress to get starbucks to let you do anything but sit and drink their overpriced coffee
[17:53] <mr_steve> I still don't have an exact location in mind but I'm definitely thinking one of the small quiet places near MCTC, there's gotta be a dozen of 'em
[17:53] <_diablo> mr_steve, lol
[17:54] <_diablo> mr_steve, are they close to the 16 (bus line)?
[17:54] <mr_steve> Good question, I think so, but I'll have to get back to you on that
[17:55] <_diablo> mr_steve, okay, it would be tough for me to do it with classes and such if it's not