[02:52] hello all im having a problem with ubuntu studio 9.10 about half of the times i put the computer to sleep/suspend/hibernate/screensaver it freezes when i wake it or move the mouse hit keyboard etc. Then i have to actually hold the power button in to shut it off [02:55] wow [02:56] laptop i assume? [02:56] i guess not hibernating and disableing the screen saver is not an option? [02:56] :) [02:56] no desktop [02:57] hmm [02:57] well i like those feature [02:57] s [02:57] i dont sleep on my desktop [02:57] so i dont know if i can be much help [02:57] have you tried other kernels? [02:57] i dont want to have to shut my computer off everythime im done with it and i dont want it running full blast when im not using it [02:58] no [02:58] are you using an RT kernel? [02:58] ?? [02:58] how do i tell? [02:58] run uname -a [02:59] if you did an ubuntu studio install [02:59] you probably have an RT kernel by default [03:00] if your not doing any audio stuff on there, or anything with jack much [03:00] you probably could get by using a generic kernel [03:00] just fine [03:00] one min [03:00] either way, i think it would be a good test to try either running a non-real-time kernel [03:01] or boot up into a differnet one [03:01] see if you get the same behavior [03:02] 2.6.31-9-rt x86_64 [03:02] yup [03:02] i dont know how to do that [03:02] thats got my vote [03:02] i bet the RT kernel is keeping you from sleeping and all that [03:02] BUT, im not sure [03:02] so what is my game plan? [03:03] well, you could wait, or ask around a bit more [03:03] see if anyone has experience [03:03] OR [03:03] just try to install linux-generic [03:03] and boot into that kernel [03:03] so do i have to uninstall the kernel i have? [03:04] no [03:04] not at all [03:04] you do want to check out grub 2 settings though [03:04] ubottu: grub2 [03:04] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [03:04] i dont have much hdd space right now [03:04] not much space needed really [03:05] you just need to make sure grub is not hiding from you when you boot [03:05] and you can tell grub to give you more time to choose a kernel/os [03:05] more time would be sweet [03:05] you do sudo apt-get install linux-generic [03:05] and after you restart [03:06] or even waiting till i explicity tell it what to boot [03:06] you'll see *probably* 4 or 5 lines [03:06] 2 generic kernels [03:06] and 2 RT kernels [03:06] and memtest [03:06] something like that [03:06] will that new kernel be able to use all the programs i have installed or will that create conflicts? [03:06] with one of each other the kernel entries being recovery [03:07] well, i can't say for sure [03:07] so what it the difference between and rt kernel and generic? [03:07] BUT usually its the RT kernels that cause conflicts [03:07] :) [03:07] dang [03:07] the difference is that the RT kernel allows jack and other software to access the hardware [03:07] at lower latencies [03:07] without being interupted [03:08] i want to run 64bit could that be the problem too? and if i go to generic kernel im assuming thats gonna be 32 bit? [03:08] basically giving audio apps the highest priority [03:08] hmmm [03:08] yup [03:08] well im trying to produce music with this computer [03:08] that could defintely be it [03:09] i'd go 32 bit just for compatibility reasons [03:09] i could be way off base here [03:09] BUT, that RT-64 could be keeping the sleep and everything from happening [03:09] hmm [03:09] if i were you, i would take the path of least resistance [03:09] well it happens, but when i wake the computer it freezes [03:09] disable the screen saver [03:09] shutdown, and restart :) [03:10] thats how i roll :) [03:10] also if i dont logout first and then shut down the computer freezes, just remembered that [03:10] it wont hurt anything to try the generic kernel [03:10] hmm, could be an ACPI problem? [03:10] or perhaps something not halting properly [03:10] i got a 1 gig video card [03:11] read somewhere it could be the propriatry drivers doing it but have no way of knowing but havnt been able to fine much more on it [03:11] find [03:11] well, thats plausible too [03:12] especially on the 64 bit version [03:12] from what ive read [03:12] even though, 64bit support is getting better all the time [03:12] but no one is answering me in the #ati or #ubuntu room [03:12] hmm [03:12] where are you? [03:12] like location? [03:12] you could look for a loco ubuntu channel [03:13] #ubuntu-us-where-ever [03:13] or -uk* [03:13] those are usually small and friendlier [03:13] loco? i dont understand? [03:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams [03:14] local teams [03:14] usually state by state in the US [03:14] there is an #ubuntu-uk [03:14] ahh ic [03:15] what graphics card is it redwoodsound? [03:15] i suppose you could try forceing vesa [03:15] use the vesa driver [03:15] for the graphics [03:16] ati 4670 [03:16] and see if you can sleep and resume [03:16] vesa? is that xorg driver? [03:16] i think that would remove the proprietary graphics driver from the equasion [03:16] you could do that from a live CD [03:17] i think you do F4 at the live CD promt screen [03:17] and pick safe graphics [03:17] you could try sleep from that [03:17] you could try the 32 and 64 bit live CD's that way [03:17] well hmm i dont think ubuntu studio has a live version on it [03:17] nope [03:18] that will eliminate the RT kernel from the equasion too though :) [03:18] dont recall seeing one [03:18] do i should download it and try [03:18] and you wont have to do anything to your system at all [03:18] that would be pretty easy [03:18] you could get the 64 and 32 bit live CD's [03:19] yuppers [03:19] boot them normally [03:19] that will tell you if its the kernel [03:19] then, if its still F'd [03:19] you can do that safe graphics thing [03:19] and that will tell you if its the ati driver [03:19] not too bad [03:19] :) [03:19] you wont have to sudo apt-anything [03:21] yeah i really want to use the features of the 64 bit and graphics card so i guesss that would be the easiet way of narrowing it down [03:22] thanks for the help [03:22] good luck [03:23] let us know how it goes [03:23] fo sho [03:25] viva! open source [03:25] katch ya later holstein thanx again [05:22] does anybody run SB Audigy 4 soundcard? [05:24] i'm having all sorts of trouble with my software..often i cant hear any audio, and often the programs close suddenly [05:24] is my audigy 4 to blame? === skrzat is now known as Kosmita [09:22] Hello. [09:23] I'm trying to install UbuntuStudio on a Mac Intel, but it ain't working. [09:23] It just doesn't boot. [09:23] I've managed installing a Debian squeeze on it without any problem. [09:23] But I cannot get UbuntuStudio working. [09:23] Using the very same procedure (with lilo, gptsync, and so on). [09:23] Any help appreciated. [09:37] orl_: have you tried installing standard ubuntu on that machine? [09:37] orl_: I would expect ubuntu to behave the same as ubuntu studio for that (probably) [09:38] orl_: have you looked at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046568 [09:39] orl_: I would imagine that info should also be applicable to ubuntu studio [09:44] marsilainen: for Ubuntu vs. ubuntu Studio, it should the very same thing. [09:44] I'm looking at your link [09:45] OK, it's not exactly that: I installed, but Ubuntu won't boot / says "no bootable devices" / has a blinking cursor! [09:45] But could come from there. [09:46] orl_: it sounds like maybe an issue with grub then [09:46] but I'm not certain [09:46] No I use Lilo. [09:46] Grub didn't work, but it was quite predicable. [09:46] ok, then, maybe with that [09:46] So, I turned to Lilo. [09:46] after running gptsync. [09:47] See here:http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook [09:47] I've never had a mac, so I don't really know [09:47] Yeah, it's quite new to me too. [09:47] you could try asking in #ubuntu, there will be more people there who understand about getting ubuntu working on mac hardware [09:47] i'm currently trying! [09:48] nobody seems to know. [09:49] orl_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=767677 [09:50] orl_: that link seems to describe your problem and how to work around it I think? [09:53] I actually was reading it. [09:53] Not sure it does. [09:53] Actually, I can't use grub (it fails) [09:53] But I'm going to check further [09:54] Not the same... Argh [09:56] well, the symptoms sounded remarkably similar, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same root cause [09:56] and so I'd say it's still worth trying the steps it suggests there [09:57] Yes, symptoms are similar, and I think the cause is the same. [09:57] but, as I can get grub working on that machine (grub 2 I mean) [09:57] I just try to transpose this for lilo ! [09:58] sure, try powering down and booting a few times [09:58] and if that doesn't work, then try to reinstall lilo [09:58] maybe it works [10:00] Yep. [10:00] Gooing to check. [10:00] it looks like the very saùme [10:00] the way it freezes is not the same each time! [10:03] Rebooting several times doesn't seem to work. [10:03] Got to check with Lilo reinstall. [10:03] not sure it works though. [10:04] There's something weird diefferent from Debian to Ubuntu: [10:05] When running gtpsync (tool to scynchronize GPT and MBR) [10:05] with Debian gtpsync finds something to change [10:05] With ubuntu it doesn't. [10:14] not easy.... [10:19] OK. [10:19] Cannot get it working. [10:19] I guess I'm going to get back to Debian. [10:19] Sad... [10:20] orl_: I'm sure it can be made to work... [10:20] yes. [10:20] perhaps post your problems on the ubuntu forums? [10:20] (actually I'm much more a Debianist than a Ubuntu-user,but it's for someone else, and I found it more easy) [10:21] yeah, ubuntu is definitely easier to use [10:21] not to use, I would say [10:21] and for music production etc, ubuntu studio is great [10:21] to setup and update, yes, probably [10:21] sure. [10:22] I think that there is 'studio64' right? I think that's a debian based music distro [10:22] if you wanted to try that [10:23] It's nto ery uptodate. [10:23] ah, I see [10:23] I usually prefer using Debian squeeze and patching kernel myself. [10:23] it's years since I tried studio64 [10:24] But the Nvidia card in the Mac Intel (9400) is not supported by the free driver [10:24] I see [10:24] I'm trying to fix this using Mond Recovery! [10:24] not sure I will get anything, but.... [10:25] OK, no keyboard detected! [10:26] :/ [10:26] back to Debian! [10:26] orl_: to be honest, if I wanted to install ubuntu on that machine I would install from the normal ubuntu live cd [10:26] and then follow the instructions to install the various ubuntu studio packages [10:26] so you end up with the same system in the end [10:27] but you'll be following a more usual path for installing ubuntu on the mac [10:28] orl_: so, in other words, I would install vanilla ubuntu and then use instructions from this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu [10:30] yes, that's waht I was thinking. [10:31] But, actually, this problem seems to be an ubuntu one! [10:31] OK, I'm going to try, though. === skrzat is now known as Kosmita === skrzat is now known as Kosmitek [16:38] These configuration are required for access to raw1394 without being root. This may cause some security problems if you are using IEEE1394 for other than hard disk, camera or sound card connections, e.g. networking. [16:38] can someone explain this ^^^^^ [16:42] hey mediaprodigy [16:43] you got a firewire audio device? [16:43] no [16:43] you dont need to worry about it then [16:43] holstein: i do not have any devices right now [16:43] i have a presonus firepod [16:43] holstein: what does it mean? [16:43] i usually run sudo qjackctl [16:44] at some point in my diagnastics [16:44] so check for such problems [16:44] and daignose them, so that i dont need to sudo run anything [16:44] I am very very new to ubuntu much less ubuntustudio... why do you run that? [16:44] hmm [16:45] well, jack audio connection kit.. [16:45] needs to access my firewire audio device [16:45] to do its thing routing signals in and out [16:45] AND, in order to get jack sorted out [16:45] my concern is the security issues [16:46] at first i run sudo to check for permissions [16:46] there could be security issues [16:46] i forget what they are [16:46] with firewire devices getting access or allowing access [16:47] to sensitivedata [16:47] how can i stay on top of this? [16:47] hmmm [16:47] you dont have a firewire device [16:47] so you havent side stepped any defaults [16:48] you dont need to worry about it until you get a firewire audio device [16:48] no i had ubuntu and installed ubuntustudio. [16:48] then you can decide [16:48] yup [16:48] I am not going through the following [16:48] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu [16:48] its still not set up unless you changed permissions [16:48] even then, i wouldnt worry about it [16:49] that wording is mentioned before making changes in video configs [16:49] im pretty sure.. [16:49] if you have a firewire netorking scenario [16:49] that is when it gets to be an issue [16:50] and that why its not set up 'open' by default [16:50] how do you handle security issues.. [16:50] and how do you know that they are prevalent.. [16:50] is there an app for that? [16:50] do you have a firewire network device? [16:51] mediaprodigy: you don't need to make those settings changes if you don't have a firewire audio device [16:51] mediaprodigy: so therefore there are no security issues [16:51] mediaprodigy: do you have any firewire devices? [16:51] i have a firewire external harddrive [16:51] what kind of security issues are we talking about? [16:51] so like marsilainen says, your fine [16:52] we are talking about a firewire network device getting elevated 'root' privalages [16:52] well that is good to know.. althought I still feel somewhat lost on this issue [16:52] root acces to your machine [16:52] that would be a concern [16:52] why would that be bad.. can you give a scenario [16:53] hmmm... [16:53] i understand the basic concept but we are talking about a music device having admin rights right [16:53] having access to root [16:53] your sharing information on a network [16:53] and a net attached device accessing your machine via the firewire network device [16:54] requests to change, edit, or view something it shouldnt [16:54] since the device has root access [16:54] that can happen [16:54] it is another method for someone to gain access to your information or change something on your system [16:54] in this example, nothing malicious is intended [16:54] understood.. [16:55] this could be your Ustuiod box, and a windows box [16:55] somehting like that [16:56] how do you maintain current on any security issues that are there.. is there an app, a command.. I am making all the changes for ubuntu studio that are in this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=linkto%3A%22Ubuntu+Studio+Upgrade+from+Ubuntu%22 [16:57] not sure i understand the question [16:57] pretty much... [16:57] unless you have elevated the privalages to accomodate a firewire device [16:57] while using... [16:58] I am making all the changes in that page, I am concerned that I do not understand the complexity (yet) of my changes.. what tools are available to keep track of security issues on an ubuntustudio installation [16:58] another firewire device with networking, you have nothing to worry about [16:58] would a firewire harddrive fall into this catagory? [16:58] is you firewire HD networked somehow? [16:58] hardwired to your network [16:59] no just connected to my box [16:59] and your firewire port somehow? [16:59] then your fine [16:59] well not yet.. but it might be in the future [16:59] i see... [16:59] holstein: marsilainen: thanks [16:59] :) [16:59] :) [16:59] :) [17:00] also, #opensourcemusicians [17:00] :) [17:12] Help: I do not know what ubuntustudio installs but my machine is freezing every few minutes [17:13] i have not had this issue since i had ubuntu restricted extras.. [17:13] and adobe flash installed.. any thoughts [17:14] 64bit? [17:14] no [17:14] hmm [17:15] its horrible.. [17:15] can you open a terminal and type uname -a [17:16] ok [17:16] Linux ubuntu-desktop 2.6.31-17-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 10 16:20:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux [17:18] hmmm [17:18] i assume this is after a restart? [17:18] it just starts freezing right off? [17:18] i just restarted [17:18] or is it after running something? [17:19] terminal firefox chatzilla [17:19] evolution mail [17:19] but i noticed that flash is working in firefox.. [17:19] so i am thinking restricted extras has been installed [17:19] that should be fine though [17:20] hmmm [17:21] i would suggest trying to find what is triggering it [17:21] i hate to say restart [17:21] BUT, if you would restart [17:22] and run one app at a time... [17:22] then, open say firefox [17:22] and see if that is causing it [17:22] you can open a terminal and run firefox [17:22] and usually you get messages in there [17:22] if something is going on [17:22] humm... i did not know this [17:22] can you send the command [17:22] just firefox [17:23] if you just start typing firefox, say fir, and hit tab [17:23] the command will be auto-completed [17:23] if you just type f and hit tab [17:24] you will be given all the commands that can be ran that start with 'f' [17:25] that might help you pinpoint what app is causing the trouble [17:25] so i do nto getit [17:25] i type in firefox and firefox opens [17:25] i would say its firefox or evolution [17:25] no, in the terminal [17:25] then i surf firefox and any errors show up in the terminal [17:26] i opened the terminal typed fir hit tab [17:26] it autofilled with firefox hit enter [17:26] yup [17:26] in theory [17:26] and the browser opened.. but i did not see any errors [17:26] or extra command [17:26] s* [17:26] that should help you troubleshoot [17:26] same deal with evolution [17:27] its hard to find the trigger [17:27] and it could be something with gnome [17:27] who knows [17:28] i have read that the gnome network manager or applet can cause issues [17:28] although, it does not for me [17:28] cool [17:28] well i appreciate teh help [17:28] let me know how it goes :) [17:29] i'll do what i can [17:43] mediaprodigy: if your machine is hanging, then I would have a look in your /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog [17:44] see if there is anything of interest there [17:45] you can use something like: tail -200 /var/log/messages to get it to show the last 200 lines of that file [17:45] even better marsilainen :) [17:46] when it hangs, do you see anything like the hard disk light on constantly or anything like that? [17:47] oops [17:48] he tried to paste me the contents of one of those files in privmsg [17:48] mediaprodigy: don't just paste output like that :p [17:48] freenode threw you off because of it :p [17:48] oh sorry [17:49] if you have lots of output to show us, then put it on http://www.pastebin.com [17:49]