[00:53] YAY [00:53] A2DP headphones work out the box in Lucid for me [00:53] Never got those working before [00:54] so did my Compaq CQ61 , not with karmic tho :) [00:54] Nafai: Doesn't pulseaudio rock? :) [00:54] RAOF: When it is configured right :) [01:01] Time to get higher quality bluetooth headphones, methinks [02:05] guys I keep forgetting the name of the tools that comes up for choosing categories in gnome [02:05] left column has system appearance etc right section has icons for each of the sections [02:08] I'm running Lucid Lynx and having trouble with my mouse being inverted. Can anyone give me a hand? [02:09] jason_, I dont think many are here this evening [02:09] jason_, just the moue cursor is inverted? [02:09] coz_, Exactly. Just the cursor the wheel works fine. [02:10] mmm [02:10] let me move over to the lucid machine [02:10] hold on [02:11] Thanks very much [02:12] mm I am finding nothing [02:12] my problem exactly [02:12] jason_, have you tried chaning themes for the cursor then moveing back to the one you have [02:12] the mouse preferences suck and xorg.conf is being ignored as far as I can tell for my mouse [02:13] coz_, where can I find the ability to change cursor themes? [02:13] jacob, are you running gnome? [02:14] I am yes [02:14] jacob, system/prefereces/appearance Customize button Pointer tab [02:15] s/jacob/jason_/ [02:15] jacob, sorry [02:15] 's ok ;) [02:16] jason_, system/preferences/appearacne Customiz button POinter tab [02:16] coz_, Tried it to no avail [02:16] mmm [02:16] jason_, and you have done sudo apt-get [02:16] damn fingers [02:17] jason_, sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade just in case some pacakge was changed or bugs fixed? [02:18] no good [02:19] jason_, mm [02:20] jason_, did this just start occurring? [02:20] coz_, confusing eh? No, it happened in 9.10 as well [02:20] jason_, `on the same hardware? [02:20] coz_, yes [02:21] jason_, did you find a solution for it on 9.10? [02:21] coz_, It's gotta be a driver thing. Targus must do something weird [02:21] jason_, was this an upgrade from 9.10 or a clean install ? [02:21] coz_, Nope that's why i switched to Lucid thinking it'd work because they got rid of HAL [02:21] coz_, Clean install [02:21] jason_, wow this is puzzling then...other than it may be something in hardware that is doing this [02:21] jason_, which mouse exactly? [02:22] Targus AMW51US [02:22] jason_, I see nothing mentioned in bug reports on this [02:23] jason_, do you have another mouse you could try out?? shut down first and unplug old plug in new of course :) [02:24] coz_, My touchpad isn't inverted and my older mouse isn't either. Must be a hardware thing, but I figured I could counter it with Xorg.conf [02:25] jason_, ah ok... mm this is an interesting problem... I am going to suggest going to one of the linux channels like ##linux and presenting this has a hardware problem and why ..maybe someone there can troubleshoot this [02:25] jason_, if you solve this let me know :) [02:26] coz_, Thanks for all your help! I'll check it out [02:30] mm he didnt go to ##linux === FunnyLookinHat_ is now known as FunnyLookinHat [02:56] yay, new hardware to make work with Linux [03:02] Woo! [03:13] bjsnider, RAOF: I got it fixed for now: remove fbcon.ko from disk and the problem goes away [03:15] You should file a bug; at least a couple of other people seem to have troubles with the interactions between vga16fb & nvidia [03:17] i'm still unclear about whether this is an nvidia hardware issue or an issue with the nvidia blob [03:18] it's weirder. I've got an nvidia but not a supported one so udev loads fbcon then tries to load noveau (noveau doesn't load) and isn't smart enough to unload fbcon afterwards [03:18] blob is irrelevant; I can reproduce it regardless of X driver [03:18] it's one of the lesser reasons that I bought a new laptop [03:19] RAOF: there's already a bug for when you do have a card for noveau, I filed one for when you do not [03:19] nouveau [03:20] un214, so now you can boot to a nouveau-based desktop with kms and all of that stuff right? [03:21] no I killed fbcon so it won't load (nouveau doesn't actually support my hardware so that won't help) [03:21] is there an x driver that does support your hardware? [03:22] VESA [03:22] was this thing manufactured some time during the nixon years? [03:23] I bought a second CPU core rather than buying any decent graphics card. You see, VESA works on anything since about 1998. [03:25] maybe we should all use vesa [03:25] you should! [03:26] I don't play 3D realtimes games ... [03:27] i thought nouveau supported everything back at least to the riva tnt crap [03:27] not that it would be terribly fast [03:28] TNT2 is the first supported card, I believe. [03:29] I might be wrong; it might support as far back as TNT. [03:29] I got a junk nvidia as integerated on a motherboard. I'm not sure if it can actually do any graphics acceleration. [03:30] how old is the board? [03:30] less than 1 year (I believe it's a case of my CPU beats the heck out of your GPU here rather than having no GPU). [03:31] the board is less than a year old? [03:31] Then the GPU will be dramatically more powerful than your CPU (at graphics-specific tasks). [03:31] i think he's misinformed here [03:32] the blob certainly does support that and would be better than vesa by about a billion times [03:32] when I said my hardware could do a better job of scaling the console than KMS I wan't meaning the graphics card -- I was meaning the monitor [03:32] The blob didn't support that. [03:32] The blob does support that. [03:32] The blob also doesn't touch your consoles. [03:32] it certainly does assuming you're correct about the age [03:32] The blob bailed and X loaded the VESA driver anyway. [03:33] actually nouveau should work well too [03:33] that would give you kms [03:34] bleh [03:34] Can anyone think of a way to fix an inverted mouse cursor? [03:34] Anyone who likes working at a VT shouldn't “bleh” kms. I rather like my accelerated, 210x64 console. [03:35] that's why i brought it up [03:35] I would be unable to use that [03:36] you're awfully sure of waht this thing *can't* do... [03:36] I like console for the large fix width font [03:36] at 210x64 I would get eyestrain too fast [03:38] You could always change the console font size up. [03:40] ok the card claims to be an 8200. Maybe the driver does work now even though the one in karmic didn't. [03:41] so you also have vdpau [03:42] does it have an hdmi port? [03:43] the port is there my monitor hasn't one [03:44] so you could turn that computer into an xbmc-based media center pretty easily [03:44] it would pretty much play any file you could possibly throw at it [03:45] I'll bet I could do that even w/ VESA with all the CPU I've got [03:46] I ran a test once running video playback over remote X over the lan. [03:46] does vesa support video playback? [03:47] You'll get better quality video out of a driver that supports Xv, generally. [03:47] Remote X makes it not matter [03:47] Ah, sweet. Nouveau is back in compiz-time. [03:49] ah here's why it doesn't work. There's a device conflict in the chipset. [03:49] That explains why the blob bailed. [03:50] ACPI: I/O resource nForce2_smbus [0x700-0x73f] conflicts with ACPI region SM00 [0x700-0x73f] [03:51] nforce? [03:51] there's your problem [03:52] told you it's junk [03:57] but hey I'm not complaining about a junk integrated video. I've lived with VESA on a celeron, I can live with it on a dual core AMD [03:59] nforce is the chipset. not well supported on linux. also, amd cpus not well supported. basically the whole thing's not well supported [03:59] AMD CPU's work just fine. [04:00] bjsnider: AMD cpus not well supported? [04:01] My nforce2 server with AMD64 processor hasn't had any problems at all :) [04:02] read an entry on phoronix about how a new-ish amd quad core was missing features and not stable in linux [04:02] can't go wrong with intel [04:02] oh yes you can [04:02] * un214 looks at his cooked celeron [04:04] I had a choice: do I buy a supported chipset & graphics card to watch videos, or do I buy a second CPU to watch videos and do other things [04:26] is there anyway i could map a "multimedia button" to undo (normally z)? [05:06] szqyulaxc, needs a kick :) [05:07] lol [05:07] over like 20 of em, who knows why ;/ [05:09] here we go again [05:18] +z :-( [05:19] make it really hard to see throuh all the noise to what's still a problem [05:19] oh good, a named op. [05:22] eew, that URL sounds gross. [05:22] oh, it' [05:22] it's that awful "last measure" thing. [05:23] yes. [05:24] note to others: if you're ever curious what suspicious things actually are.... use wget and "less". [05:24] View the thing as pure text. [05:24] * The_Thing was pinged? [05:25] DanaG, i ran it in chrome :) [05:26] hyperstream: not good enough [05:26] I tried the thing once in firefox.... had to xkill it. [05:26] or rather, just hit ctrl-alt-backspace. [05:26] hifi, ? [05:26] if it's the same kind of attack that has been floating around, it will POST to IRC server and flood too [05:26] it doesn't do any harm to you, but to others [05:27] hifi, how so ? via an infection of some sort? [05:27] it was the reason I installed NoScript for firefox [05:27] And it's very NSFW. [05:27] hyperstream: no, it's just a regular HTTP POST request with a

[05:27] but it sends IRC commands in the data part [05:27] effective in linux still ? connects me to a irc network from http posts and spams ? [05:27] irc7 doesn't accept HTTP headers, but hyperion does (I think) [05:28] it's just a HTTP POST, if you know HTML and HTTP it should be quite easy to understand [05:28] hyperstream: nothing to do with your OS [05:28] yes i do, im a web developer, im just trying to understand how it works. [05:28] you can POST a form into any host and port [05:29] it POSTs to port 6667 with data that sends IRC commands [05:29] it interacts with my xchat client? or php socket driven hidden irc client kind of thing? [05:29] the IRC server ignores HTTP headers [05:29] hyperstream: there is a form with method="post" and action="http://irc.freenode.net:6667/" [05:29] ahhh [05:29] i get yah now :) [05:29] then JavaScript submits the form on-load [05:29] thats _really_ nasty [05:29] though, it's also a big fail on freenode's part that it accepts the data [05:30] they are changing ircd's in 3 days [05:30] :) [05:30] it doesn't accept HTTP data, just doesn't disconnect you when you send an invalid command [05:30] got K-lined for my curiosity last week [05:30] the new IRCd will fix this [05:30] tsimpson: ignoring it == accepts [05:31] it doesn't ignore it, just send an invalid command message back [05:31] NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname... NOTICE AUTH :*** Checking ident NOTICE AUTH :*** Found your hostname NOTICE AUTH :*** No identd (auth) response ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out) [05:31] heh. [05:32] but thumbs up for the people who invented the "attack" [05:32] I think it's a masterpiece of one sort [05:32] it's a very old attack actually [05:32] no viruses, no trojans, just some non-evil javascript [05:33] which does evil things though [05:34] well, JavaScript allows you to run arbitrary code on a remote system [05:34] it's bound to be exploited [05:39] not to forget plugins like flash or java which can do pretty much anything if they run by default [06:18] * The_Thing laughs his ass off at the trolls [07:25] I'm getting this from pidgin: ERROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file: [07:25] /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstlv2.so [07:26] Any way around it? [07:26] (caused by today's updates...) [07:27] Hmm ok removing gstreamer-plugins-bad temporarily... [08:37] Is there some way to get notification/indicators of new mail without having to leave evolution open? [08:40] ripps: mail notifier [08:41] but if you select the mails , it will take you to the browser[open mail in the browser] [08:41] vish: ew, I've used it in the past and it just constantly goofs with my gmail labels [08:42] ripps: alternatively , there was an evolution plugin which would minimize evo to the tray... or try AllTray ;) [08:42] I like evolution, and I prefer to use it. And I works perfectly with my gmail labels. Why doesn't the indicator hide it like the empathy indicator does. I don't want a tray icon, why should I, when there's an indicator [08:43] ripps: there is a bug for that feature.. no one has implemented it yet.. wanna give it a shot? ;) [08:44] I don't know how to program. Is there an alltray like program that hides a program instead of minimizing it to tray? [08:54] AFAIK , nope [08:59] hmm... it seems someone wrote a hack for evolution-indicator that hides evolution. I'll build it and see how it works [09:13] morning [09:17] woo, building evolution-indicator in pbuilder; man this little plugin has alot of build-depends [09:37] How do you disable something from starting up using upstart? Is there a command, or do you edit the config in /etc/init ? [09:56] foo [09:56] screen-x: you cannot do that [09:56] (which is ridiculous) [09:57] vega_: as in there is no way of disabling a service/thing? [09:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/94065 [09:57] Ubuntu bug 94065 in upstart "init: add non-destructive means to disable a job" [Wishlist,Triaged] [09:57] it's been on the list for almost 3 years now [09:58] w00t progress :) [09:59] "This feature is essential before we start moving certain services over to upstart." and yet karmic has been released for some time alreayd.. [12:52] !schedule | gnomefreak ;) [12:52] gnomefreak ;): A schedule of Lucid Lynx (10.04) release milestones can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule [12:53] vish: i know where it is and looked at it already [12:53] and wrong channel :) [12:53] gnomefreak: so feb 18th is wrong ? oops :s [12:53] who said feb 18th? [12:54] gnomefreak: oh , nvm me then.. i thought you were asking for Lucid FF date :) [12:55] vish: i was i forgot what it said but im looking at it right now and ~18th if correct [12:55] this is never going to make it in Lucid :( [13:12] oo just noticed ubuntu-desktop ,gstreamer plugins..brasero..among many others are going to be removed with todays upsates....maybe I should wait :) ? [13:17] coz_: don't do dist-upgrades/full-upgrades :P [13:18] coz_: as a general rule at least.. [13:25] arand, oh thats exactly what I do generally but no biggie...its not important at this point for me to any upgrades.... and if it breaks hey I can alsways reinstall on the lucid machine :) [13:29] coz_: aptitude safe-upgrade should suffice in almost all cases, In general, if packages are kept back, it is for a reason ;) [13:29] arand, yeah... I understand... dist-upgrade can be risky at this point.... thanks :) [13:31] <_stink_> how is safe-upgrade different from upgrade? safe-upgrade's not in the manpage on karmic, at least [13:33] _stink_: i was referring to apt-get upgrade // aptitude safe-upgrade which are somewhat comparable.. [13:34] <_stink_> arand: ah, i see. thanks! [13:39] so whats the word on fglrx cards in Lucid? [14:02] Heyas [14:08] where can I see the queue for packages to get imported into ubuntu Lucid ? [14:08] http://packages.debian.org/sid/gnome-do => really needs to be synced :D [14:13] dupondje, in lucid we sync with squeeze and not sid [14:14] autosync* [14:14] but we can request a sync from sid ? [14:14] cause it fixes some serious bugs in gnome-do ... [14:14] yes [14:14] open a bug [14:14] i'll do [14:17] ofc I don't have requestsync on this windows thing :D === arvind_k is now known as arvind_khadri [14:58] kklimonda: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-do/+bug/513802 :) done [14:58] Ubuntu bug 513802 in gnome-do "Please sync gnome-do 0.8.3.1+dfsg-1 from debian sid" [Undecided,New] [15:18] after upgrading to lucid i don't get dns name resolution unless i do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0. how can I fix this? [15:35] just updated my alpha install and empathy has been removed. anybody know why and when i get it back? [15:37] I cannot mount btrfs at startup. Before I reinstalled it was working fine but now it won't mount and the system don't even boot unless I remove the entry from fstab [15:39] temporarytao: did you do a dist-upgrade/full-upgrade? [15:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 4 starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom (first: Adopt-An-Upstream) [15:49] om26er: that sounds familiar, I disabled my btrfs test fs a while ago and didn't look into it more, thanks for reminding me ;) [15:50] yofel, it was working fine until I reinstalled lucid [15:50] om26er: maybe the UUID changed? [15:50] yofel, I never gave UUID [15:51] ok, that's odd then... [15:51] does booting with quiet splash disabled give you a mount error? [15:51] mountall seems to take those fatal since we use upstart :/ [15:55] yofel, yes yofel it was a mount all error === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:21] Hi. Does anyone else get "NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module" in lucid? [16:22] This prevents compositing from working. [16:37] !upgrade [16:37] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [16:40] hmm [16:41] how do I upgrade from 9.10 ? [16:41] update-manager -d did not work [16:41] what is the error? [16:41] no error [16:42] system is up to date it says' [16:42] Volkodav: so no upgrade button, what does ~/.cache/update-manager-core/meta-release-developerment contain? [16:42] Volkodav: is it the same if you run it again? (or two times?) [16:43] yes [16:43] tried 2 times [16:43] johanbr, make sure you use the current driver fore your nvidia card , folloow this tutorial to install it. http://www.pastebin.ca/1769509 [16:44] BluesKaj, it was after I did precisely that that I ended up with the GLX error [16:44] there might be a stray library still around somewhere, I think [16:44] but thanks for the suggestion :) [16:45] Volkodav: could you test the following diff: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/karmic/revision/1587?start_revid=1587 [16:45] Volkodav: actual diff is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/karmic/diff/1587 [16:45] johanbr, did you do, sudo nvidia-xconfig ? [16:46] no, my xorg.conf is empty [16:46] but I just did [16:47] then you should generate one [16:47] we'll see how this works, back in a minute [16:49] mvo - what is it that I do with diff again ? [16:50] BluesKaj, no change [16:50] Volkodav: hm, I think the first information if the output of ~/.update-manager-core/meta-release-development, the last few lines are interessting [16:51] one more try... [16:52] gnome-shell now has the ability in overview mode to switch from viewing all desktops to viewing one with a scrollbar and button to get to the others [16:52] mvo - there is no meta-release-development - only meta-release and meta-release-lts [16:58] Volkodav: hm, that is odd, it looks like it was unable to download it then [16:59] I will change the repos and then try it again [16:59] Volkodav: could you add the following lines on top of "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/UpdateManager/MetaReleaseGObject.py" for me: [16:59] import gtk [16:59] gtk.gdk.threads_init() [16:59] and see if that helps? [16:59] too late [16:59] I already sudo sed -i 's/karmic/lucid/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade [17:00] so packages are upgrading and then I will do do-release-upgrade -d [17:08] hmm, kde 4.4 plasma keeps crashing any time I try to add widgets. [17:09] Specifically, even if I don't actually add any... it crashes. [17:11] Steps to reproduce for me: right-click panel, "add widgets...", and then click in a different window so the panel loses focus. [17:16] Any one lose brasero, gstreamer, and totem today with the updates? [17:16] anyone else ... [17:22] BluesKaj, I had to symlink /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so to /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so [17:22] now it works :) [17:30] johanbr, good to hear [17:32] johanbr, odd that you needed to make a symlink tho , it should have installed the .so files to the right dir [17:33] there was already a /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (not a symlink), not sure where it came from [17:33] so I deleted that, and then pointed it to the nvidia file [17:33] DanaG, did you see that phoronix story about the adobe hacker who's whining about linux video problems? [17:35] johanbr, I forgot to mention that you needed to remove the previous nvidia driver before installing the new one [17:35] hmm, a new one, or an old one? [17:36] Oh yeah, there's now Catalyst 10.1... but still doesn't claim Xorg 7.5 support. [17:36] BluesKaj, I did remove it, but it's possible that file came from an earlier version and wasn't deleted for some reason [17:36] ok [17:36] DanaG, there were two posts, most recently this morning [17:37] this guy is just writing blog after blog whining instead of coding [17:37] the video coding in the flash plugin makes no sense whatsoever [17:40] for instance, they grep for "SGI" in the opengl renderer string, and if found, disable opengl support [17:41] glxinfo | grep direct ? [17:41] yep [17:41] 3D? [17:41] nope, now swrast is direct too. [17:42] BluesKaj, what do you mean by "3D" ? [17:42] glxinfo | grep 3D [17:42] they look at "glxinfo |grep renderer", basically, I think [17:43] they also disable opengl if your window manager is compiz [17:43] yup mine outputs : [17:43] OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7600 GT/PCI/SSE2 [17:44] right [17:44] johanbr, you have flashplugin-nonfree [17:44] ? [17:45] but any video driver that uses Mesa rendering will have "SGI" in the string, even if it's accelerated [17:45] BluesKaj, that's the one I'm talking about, yes [17:47] they don't seem to know what they're doing [17:48] i got rid of compiz , kde desktop effects work as well without the compiz cpu-hog probs [17:50] right, there's a bunch of compositing window managers [17:50] which is one of the reasons their check for compiz makes no sense === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [18:31] time for my daily walk..bbl [19:04] hello, anyone can help me recording sound on kubuntu? [19:05] audacity used to work but it doesn't work anymore [19:08] mamagoody: On Lucid? [19:10] If not, then you should ask in #kubuntu [19:10] hi [19:10] i need sound on ubuntu lucid lynx [19:10] Pici: yes, on lucid lyix [19:10] lynx [19:13] sorry, reboot === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre [20:48] i assume when i get 404 when trying to install a package with apt-get its cause the mirror doesn't have the package yet ? [20:52] oskude: either the mirror didn't sync right, or the package was replaced by a newer one, did you run apt-get update? [20:52] yoasif, yup, did apt-get update... trying the main repo atm, sec [20:53] yoasif, yup, was the mirror not sync yet or something [20:53] oskude: s/yoasif/yofel/ ;) [20:53] and i fail in again, sorry yofel and yoasif :) [20:55] btw. colored sources.list in nano was nice, thanks! :) [20:55] hey cool, didn't notice that yet :D [20:56] ooh. Does the new .nanorc have source code hilighting on my default now? [20:58] Pici, seems so, and lots of other languages, even POV-Ray... havent seen that a while :) [20:58] oskude: Neat. I've been using a custom .nanorc just to have those enabled, I'll check out the one in /etc/nanorc when I get back to my lucid computer. === prefrontal is now known as MeherBaba === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [21:58] getting mbr error after just doing safe-upgrade === ripps is now known as ripps|sleep [23:29] hey, did someone break dependencies with gstreamer? [23:35] DrHalan: it was broken in the morning, but works fine here now (mirror out-of date?) [23:36] yofel: hm i thought it may be because i have some package sources that supply karmic packages [23:36] but also without them i can't install gstreamer0.10-plugins-base [23:37] I have karmic still enabled too, but I had package conflicts in the morning, but I updated fine a few minutes ago [23:38] strange [23:38] do you have pidign banshee or totem on your system? [23:39] or codeblocks in taht matter? [23:39] totem yes, the others not (I use kde with parts of gnome installed as fallback) [23:39] strange