[09:53] <DJones> Just a heads up, CTCP versions & http spam have reappeared in ubuntu-ukm only one so far, but possibly a sign of more to come
[10:07] <jpds> DJones: The cat is on fire.
[14:32] <markie-> i'm here to discuss a ban made against me concerning -women, and would like to see it lifted
[14:34] <erUSUL> markie-: you will have to contact some women op
[14:35] <erUSUL> markie-: dunno if it has a ops channel if not try contactin via query
[14:35] <Myrtti> that would be hypa7ia
[14:35] <Tm_T> would -ops be good place for discussion?
[14:36] <erUSUL> Tm_T: ops is only for #ubuntu afaik
[14:36] <Tm_T> erUSUL: not true
[14:36] <Tm_T> it's for core channels
[14:36] <Tm_T> which is a bit more than just #u (:
[14:37] <erUSUL> is #ubuntu-women a core channel?
[14:37] <Tm_T> I am not sure, that's why I'm asking
[14:37] <markie-> how can i get in touch with hypa7ia?
[14:37] <erUSUL> !seen hypa7ia
[14:38] <Pici> one moment.
[14:38] <Tm_T> why uBOTu-fr is here?
[14:38] <Pici> Tm_T: all the bots are here
[14:38] <Tm_T> oh, then it shouldn't talk the same time with ubottu, I'd say (:
[14:39] <Pici> Tm_T: Many of them use -irc as their relay channel for ! ops messages.
[14:39] <Tm_T> aye
[14:39] <Tm_T> I have no issues those being here, just not multiple bots answering same call
[14:39] <Myrtti> ♥
[14:40] <Myrtti> pleia2: do you happen to be awake/present/available?
[14:40] <pleia2> markie-: there have been several complaints that you made people uncomfortable there, and reports that you ban evaded to get around the ban
[14:40] <Myrtti> ♥ ♥ ♥
[14:40]  * hypa7ia is here too, and supports keeping the ban
[14:40] <pleia2> I am not comfortable removing it at this time
[14:41] <markie-> do you know when you will be comfortable about removing it?
[14:42] <hypa7ia> when you show any indication of doing useful work to get women involved in the ubuntu project, rather than just being a troll.
[14:42] <pleia2> markie-: you've been banned and kicked from multiple channels *recently* - perhaps when you learn to behave in a manner that is more acceptable to the wider ubuntu community we can give you a chance in #ubuntu-women again too
[14:43] <hypa7ia> seems reasonable to me, pleia2
[14:44] <Tm_T> yes
[14:48] <Pici> hypa7ia, pleia2: thanks for looking at this :)
[14:48] <pleia2> welcome :)
[14:48] <hypa7ia> no problemo, Pici :)
[14:48] <markie-> i have helped women to get involved in the ubuntu community
[14:49] <ubot2> Tm_T called the ops in #ubuntu-locoteams ()
[14:49] <Tm_T> markie-: that doesn't matter if you don't behave in IRC-channels
[14:50] <markie-> pleia2: are you a op too?
[14:51] <Myrtti> heads up, there's spambots doing a round again
[14:51] <pleia2> markie-: I'm the channel founder
[14:51] <erUSUL> Myrtti: ty
[14:52] <markie-> and pici is?
[14:53] <Tm_T> markie-: I wonder why you ask this
[14:53] <Pici> markie-: Pici is an Ubuntu operator and I have a seat on the IRC Council.
[14:54] <markie-> alright, yea that's fine, i just get confused with which op i have to speak to thesedays
[14:55] <Pici> markie-: I'm not involved in this matter (yet), just was trying to get the people who were involved to take a look.
[14:55] <markie-> would it help if i bring a woman in to tell you how i help her with ubuntu all the time?
[14:56] <Tm_T> markie-: no, as long as you cannot behave in IRC-channels
[14:56] <markie-> Tm_T: who are you again?
[14:56] <Pici> Tm_T: pm?
[14:56] <Tm_T> Pici: sure
[14:56] <pleia2> markie-: the ubuntu women project is about encouraging women in general to contribute, you have shown thus far to make many of the members of our channel uncomfortable
[14:56] <pleia2> one woman saying you helped her won't change this
[14:57] <pleia2> my comment stands
[14:57] <markie-> what if i bring two in?
[14:57] <pleia2> I am not going to play this game with you, please stop
[14:58] <markie-> it's not a game, i do actaully help people, despite the fact i have a fairly bad rep
[14:58] <markie-> which i'm _trying_ to clean up, hence me being here
[14:58] <pleia2> the problem is your "fairly bad rep" - it hurts our channel, makes us uncomfortable and causes women to leave
[14:59] <pleia2> if you do learn to clean up, you're welcome to come back and ask again, but I see no evidence of this in the past week
[14:59] <markie-> it's been quite awhile since that ban
[14:59] <pleia2> and it's been only a few days since the latest report of your poor behavior in the community
[15:00] <markie-> yea but there are different types of poor bahavior, some of which are not related
[15:01]  * hypa7ia is rapidly locing interest in this discussion
[15:01] <hypa7ia> *losing
[15:01] <pleia2> yeah, I've said what I'm going to say
[15:01] <pleia2> markie-: I do hope you learn to improve your behavior, for yourself and the community
[15:02] <markie-> true, me too. and that's what i've set out to do
[15:02] <markie-> today
[15:02] <markie-> well, over the past few days
[15:02] <markie-> making a clean start, trying to clean up the image of -cym aswell
[15:03] <hypa7ia> markie-: why don't you work on that for a while and then ask again in say two months?
[15:03] <hypa7ia> as a show of good faith, don't bother us until then.
[15:04] <markie-> two months, really? what about one?
[15:04] <markie-> and yes i'm actually serious about this
[15:04] <hypa7ia> markie-: two months. it's going to take some time to undo the harm you've done.
[15:05] <markie-> two months it is then
[15:06] <hypa7ia> much appreciated.  we'll touch base then, ok?
[15:06] <markie-> yep
[15:07] <markie-> it was nice speaking to you all, have a very wonderful day
[15:07] <hypa7ia> good stuff, you too.
[15:07] <markie-> :)
[15:09] <hypa7ia> it goes pretty much unsaid that bans elsewhere reset that 2 month marker
[15:09] <hypa7ia> i think
[15:10] <Tm_T> who knows (:
[15:10] <hypa7ia> anywhoo, back to vegging out :)
[15:39] <nealmcb> so what is the deal with these repeated CTCP VERSION messages in a bunch of channels.  Pigeon give me annoying popups for them "no such nick or channel".    Is it just spam?  probing for security vulnerabilities?  Anything I should worry about (I'm on hardy, should be patched up-to-date)  Are folks that do that quickly automatically booted by freenode? By the channel?
[15:39] <nealmcb> s/give/gives
[15:39] <Myrtti> spam, they are booted, currently several channels are either +r, +R or both
[15:39] <jpds> nealmcb: http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/javascript-spam/
[15:43] <nealmcb> Myrtti, jpds - Thanks!
[16:15] <Myrtti> FYI, #mer got just hit
[17:08] <ubot2> nixternal called the ops in #ubuntu-locoteams ()
[19:40] <jpds> m4v, erUSUL: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/guadalinex/+bug/513915
[19:40] <jpds> m4v, erUSUL: "This bug affects me too".
[19:43] <erUSUL> to be fair it affects #ubuntu channels. #ubuntu ops are more affected then me ;)
[19:43] <erUSUL> anyway; +1 from me
[22:11] <m4v> erUSUL: We do get some users in #ubuntu-es asking for support, I wonder how different is that distro from Ubuntu
[22:13] <m4v> should we try to help them, or just plainly direct them to #guadalinex?
[22:49] <topyli> m4v, what does #guadalinex look like? are there enough helpers, or would it be full of newbies if you directed everyone there?
[22:50] <topyli> need to consider the support too. some basic things are probably similar enough
[22:50] <topyli> ideally they should have a sustainable support channel of course, but who knows
[22:59] <m4v> their channel seems empty
[23:01] <m4v> and maybe abandoned, freenode-staff is the founder..
[23:06] <m4v> if guadalinex is just a rebranded Ubuntu then I wouldn't mind getting them in #ubuntu-es, maybe we can even win a regular helper
[23:10] <topyli> well if we're lucky, it's not that different
[23:11] <topyli> i don't know guadalinex very well, but i'm inclined to assume that it just has a slightly different default set of applications, and localization
[23:11] <topyli> i might be horribly wrong just as well
[23:15] <topyli> also, not all of them are likely to be newbies at all