[03:32] blakkheim called the ops in #ubuntu (Stefan91) [04:12] ubottu: tell eltume about o4o [04:14] MenZa: I don't see how that's inappropriate [04:15] Flannel: well, borderline [04:16] MenZa: It was effectively a factual question [04:17] True, I suppose [04:17] Just as if I had asked "In what verse does Falstaff claim to be the cause of wit in men" or something similar. [04:20] Aye, I guess. [04:21] Good evening, Flannel, MenZa. [04:21] HOwdy tritium [04:21] morning tritium! [04:25] :) [05:12] FloodBotK3 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [05:12] FloodBotK2 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [05:12] FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [05:14] FloodBotK2 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [05:17] FloodBotK3 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [05:17] FloodBotK2 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [05:17] FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [05:18] Flannel: I suggest +R-r with a message in /topic. [05:18] I'm not sure if CTCP requests to /channel/ are still sent to individual users, though [05:19] In which case, +r is also a good idea. [05:19] Seems like +R is fine [05:19] yeah, that's why I was pondering them to begin with [05:21] I'd rather have genuine unidentified users be met with "Hi, please identify" than being locked out. [05:21] @ Flannel ^ [05:21] when they attempt to send a message to a channel the server does send them a message [05:21] tsimpson: so if I ctcp a channel with something, it is sent to the individual users? [05:21] MenZa: They get the same thing when they attempt to j... yeah [05:22] if I'm -e [05:22] MenZa: if you ctcp a channel, it gets sent to everyone in the channel, it's just a PRIVMSG [05:22] same as any other message to a channel, all in there can see it [05:22] but PRIVMSGs are blocked if the channel is +R [05:22] What I'm curious about is if the channel is +R if it just PRIVMSGs every individual user [05:23] if it's the http post exploit, then it won't [05:23] and most simple script won't either [05:23] this seems to have dodged it [05:23] they join, sit for a bit, then part. [05:24] +R does not stop them joining [05:24] that's +r [05:24] I am aware [05:24] But it's not really a problem for them to join [05:25] As long as they don't CTCP spam. [05:25] it's only an issue for those who are already there, trying to send messages [05:26] tsimpson: if they're unidentified, the message is blocked, so what does it matter? [05:27] I mean for real uses, not attackers [05:27] oh, aye [05:37] blakkheim called the ops in #ubuntu () [05:41] mobi-sheep called the ops in #ubuntu (Electa) [05:55] lots of excesss flood by same people [05:57] due to the CTCPs [05:57] anyone? im on my n800 so limited resources [05:58] the attacks are in other channels, so not much we can do [05:58] we're trying to keep up :/ [05:58] apart from forwarding to another channel? [05:59] They should settle down soon [06:02] just keep the two "R"s close at hand [06:03] aptitude full-upgrade? [06:03] never heard [06:03] it's the new name for dist-upgrade I think [06:05] FloodBotK3 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [06:05] FloodBotK2 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [06:05] FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [06:05] please tell me dist-upgrade remains a valid alias... [06:05] it does, for now at lease [06:05] just use apt-get! [06:05] * Flannel hides. [06:07] i'm more thinking about finger memory and so forth [06:54] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:54] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:54] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:54] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [07:27] good morning [07:34] moin [08:18] mobi-sheep called the ops in #ubuntu (terje) [08:43] how boring [08:46] help? [09:08] Myrtti: ahum? [09:08] nothing [09:08] I set the channel +R in lack of better solutions [09:08] :) [09:08] Ah, CTCP flood? [09:08] no, "Install Gentoo" [09:08] I wasn't following. [09:09] Myrtti: Set it +Rr then; unregistered users will be forwarded to -unregged instead [09:11] freenode is rapidly becoming a registered only world it seems [09:14] I just love when I'm told how to do my ops business after being one for 10 years [09:18] it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside [09:18] meh [09:19] if anyone else wants to look at the discussion at #ubuntu right now, since I can't think of any way of making it go all support issues again, I'd appreciate [09:21] seriously [09:24] ubottu: tell Zosimos about guidelines [09:24] ubottu: tell Zosimos about coc [09:42] Tm_T: could you have a word with Knubbel the next time you see him online? I agree that his bans should probably stay put, but he joined #xubuntu to ask kubuntu questions. [09:42] I'm still a bit sceptic on his explanation that his reason for cursing on the channels is tourettes... [09:42] did zosimos get any more pm's than those two above? [09:43] does anyone confess making the bot send him any more pms? [09:43] I didn't [09:45] no worries, the user is probably just in the mood for a moan [09:45] indeed [09:59] Myrtti: that is a lame excuse, Tourette is speaking, certainly *not* writing [09:59] seems he has no Tourette at all [10:00] Mamarok: I know, I date a tourettean ;-) (with physical, not audible ticks) [10:00] OK :) [10:10] the bot will always give the nick of who requested it to /msg someone, so it's always traceable [10:42] * Myrtti facepalms [10:42] ? [10:44] * Myrtti goes to get the mail and more coffee and cookies [10:47] how tedious [10:56] niko: Can I have a +R in -locoteams please? [10:56] yes, please [10:56] sure [10:56] Myrtti: Knubbel? hmm, if I see him, sure, though I doubt it would be of any use [11:16] a +r is all that is needed next time [11:17] just kick'em out [11:22] ye [11:23] in general, would it make any sense to have localised -unregged channel in the future? [11:24] Tm_T: we have one for #ubuntu-fr* channels [11:25] topyli: Myrtti: ^ [11:25] we need staff in #plasma [11:26] tm_T, it does make sense [11:27] topyli: mind to set one up? (: [11:28] niko: mind to give +r in #plasma until the only op there is awake? [11:28] tm_T, that means work! :) [11:28] could do it after this other work [11:29] topyli: thanks, I most likely cannot get enough time to do it very soon [11:30] it's a good idea especially since afaik all -fi channels are now +r [11:31] Tm_T the founder is opped on #plasma [11:31] niko: but doesn't answer, so is not active [11:31] niko: been idle for, err, 12 hours (: [11:33] niko: so should we wait him to wake up? [11:35] for the moment, i see no spam on #plasma [11:35] yup, did stop when I asked you here, for now [11:35] but have been several times in last few hours already [11:37] actually, 8 rounds in last 2 hours (: [11:39] niko: also #ubuntu-locoteams has those again (: [11:39] Tm_T called the ops in #ubuntu-women () [11:39] and ^ [11:42] and plenty of other channels, but those can be left [11:43] topyli, Tm_T: have you done the channel yet? [11:43] not me [11:43] Myrtti, no [11:43] we're dreamers [11:43] -fi-rekisteroidy? [11:43] R. is in her "destruct everything" mode here [11:44] Myrtti: ok to me [11:44] i'm having a heated email discussion with colleagues who think jabber would make things even harder, not easier [11:45] Myrtti, you're creating it? [11:45] yup [11:45] good good [11:45] wait, colleagues. does that mean you have like a real job now? [11:46] of course not [11:46] oh what Bac is talking about?! [11:46] just some researchers i'm supposed to work with [11:47] channel registered, work interferes [11:47] Myrtti: no hurry, and big thanks [11:47] * Tm_T huggles Myrtti [11:49] topyli, i thought your research ran out of funds or something though :-/ [11:50] elky, it did. i'm eating savings and looking for a job [11:50] ah [11:50] no harm writing papers for conferences and looking at grants as well [11:51] of course not [11:53] and my dissertation is not *quite* there yet, although it's getting close. writing gets harder as the details get more boring [12:30] do I need some magic skillz to set a channel +f #channel2? [12:31] no, if you are opped [12:31] i think nal set it so we only need to +r it now [12:32] !calkins.freenode.net #ubuntu-fi has no forward channel [12:32] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [12:32] it maek no sense [12:33] /mode #channel +f #otherchannel and #otherchannel needs to be -Q [12:33] and it only forwards users blocked by +i, +r og +j join throttling [12:34] * Myrtti blinks [12:36] ?? [12:37] Myrtti: which channel are you trying to forward? and where to? [12:39] #ubuntu-fi to #ubuntu-fi-rekisteroidy with +r [12:40] if you're +o in #ubuntu-fi you should be able to /mode #ubuntu-fi +f #ubuntu-fi-rekisteroidy [13:00] oh the irony [13:01] there's complaints about the +r from a person that is registered and identified [13:01] Myrtti: iron-y [13:03] heh, he prefers the spam? [13:04] kloeri_: yes [13:06] amazing [13:06] he is [13:06] apparently would be better to let some spam in and let bots do banning than force people to register [13:07] it's a balance but for many channels I think the choice would have obviously fallen out in favour of +R/+r lately imo [13:08] kloeri_: yeah, well, most channels do not have bots that would do kicking [13:08] nod [13:09] and the constant kicking would itself be fairly noisy so not all that helpful [13:10] kloeri_: and new users having K-lined because their ip spams... [13:11] fortunately we haven't hit that many real users compared to the amount of spam bots we've klined [13:11] kloeri_: true [13:11] and we've worked hard to remove those klines quickly [13:11] ye [13:11] still, better to encourage registering than having them K-lined [13:12] and to be brutally honest - those users *were* part of the problem as it doesn't really matter if the channel is massively spammed by a vicious bot or clueless user [13:12] yes [13:12] yeah, I'm all for people registering [13:38] is there still attacks going on? [13:38] Myrtti: not that I know [13:47] anyone? [13:48] apparently no, no complaints in #f either [13:48] Nothing in any of my channels lately. [13:48] anyone protest if I -r #ubuntu and -ot [13:48] not me [13:49] yeah, looks fairly calm now [13:59] I was feeling hopeful [13:59] Myrtti: yes? [13:59] * Pici finishes writing bug report [13:59] *sigh* spanish flooders [14:03] can i put +R on again :-< [14:03] where? [14:06] * Myrtti facepalms [14:07] Myrtti: time for tea, I'd say [14:13] bleh. lp is oopsing when I try to file this bug [14:19] Er. I don't get Emanon's joke. [14:19] bangcolon? [14:19] hashcolon? [14:20] maybe he meant #| [14:41] the quality of the channel was so much higher with +Rr [14:42] Myrtti: was there any support questions then? (; [14:42] sure [14:50] !away > ghis|away === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:32] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Stefan91) [15:45] it's almost whack-a-mole with the guadalinex users [15:51] Myrtti: just not the fun part, hammer [16:13] heads up, #mer just got hit [16:28] nice drama around IRCnet, some people threats taking over channels, apparently have done too [16:38] oh no, now my BNC account is running wilde, even if I don't use it... [17:05] maybe that will work [17:05] uhoh [17:07] ... [17:08] yuuupp. [17:08] lull before war [17:28] Myrtti: btw what's the situation with new aliases? [17:29] Tm_T: I've not had time, neither has ikonia [17:29] feel free to do your own digging [17:29] irssi aliases? or a specific script? [17:30] irssi aliases is what I've been doing. Ikonia was planning to do the scripts, and I was planning to look from that how to do stuff. [17:31] Myrtti: roger, I hope I will have some time soon, as my todo is piling up ): [17:55] uh why does !sysrq say Alt+PrintScreen?? [17:55] it's Alt+SysRq! [17:56] someone who's updated that factoid has had a similar keyboard to mine [17:57] and a rather different one from mine [17:58] my sysrq key doesn't say sysrq, just "print screen" [17:58] mine says "Del" in normal text and "SysRq" in the please-hold-down-Fn-with-me text [17:59] PrtSc is on the key next to it, also in please-hold-down-Fn-with-me text [17:59] (thats the Ins key normally) === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [17:59] well, obvously your keyboard is wrong and mine is correct! :) [18:00] i would think keyboards that properly label the SysRq key are the ones that are correct [18:01] my mum's keyboard doesnt have a SysRq key at all. i tried all the usual weird ones they put it on [18:01] and apparently new Thinkpads won't have a SysRq key at all either :( [18:01] yep, i read about that [18:02] my keyboard here has sysrq on the del key too [18:02] one thing i've never figured out is the pause/break key [18:02] i vaguely remember there being some use for it in dos [18:03] its for pausing the internet so you can take a break, obviously [18:03] duh [18:03] ooh [18:05] pausing games too [18:07] I prefer pausing the internets [18:07] i have no games to pause [18:07] a pause key for -ot would be nice sometimes [18:07] topyli: Life's a game? [18:08] actually, Life's a long song [18:13] is there a way to redirect an entire channel other than: /mode +b *!*@*!#newchannel ? [18:14] yes [18:14] I think [18:14] maco: /mode +if #newchannel [18:14] kjcole needs to know as we are renaming our loco channel [18:15] Pici: thanks [18:15] kjcole: test? [18:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/MovingChannels [18:15] I was just cheating and looking from the freenode manual :-( [18:15] maco: From what to what? [18:16] #ubuntu-dc to #ubuntu-us-dc since popey said the us teams are supposed to be uniform [18:16] Okay, sounds good [18:16] not only popey [18:16] I would say the same [18:16] Tm_T: I'm planning to -Rr on -fi again [18:17] Tm_T: Well, as long as its okay by you ;) [18:17] Myrtti: sounds good to me [18:17] Pici: indeed [18:17] I have spoken, now go and do [18:17] * Tm_T hides [18:17] I'm not sure +if works without GUARD set [18:23] nnngghghghghghghghhghghgHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH [18:23] will not kill [18:24] * Tm_T huggles Myrtti [18:24] if nothing else, keeping your hand away from that kill switch [18:55] FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from marcosRz) [19:09] Whoa. Just sat down here, and see highlights... bleh. [19:09] * genii feeds tsimpson more cookies [19:09] tsimpson: interesting, if cryptic, answer [19:10] I asked him to join here to discuss it, so he joined #k-devel ... [19:12] now he's attempting to evade with webchat [19:12] tsk tsk [19:14] I wonder if he's the guy running the hola-bots [19:14] Bots? [19:17] Pici: The crapload the other day with something like: "HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" [19:17] genii: ah. [19:20] tsimpson: nice, I had my finger on enter key... (: [19:21] I was just looking up a password :) [19:33] Pici: Did you file the Guadalinux bug in the end? [19:33] bug 513915 [19:33] Launchpad bug 513915 in guadalinex "IRC Clients join Ubuntu channels by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513915 [19:33] jpds: After fighting with lp OOPS, I did. [19:34] "wontfix" ? [19:34] Pici: I think some IRC channels do join loco changes by default. [19:35] (All the installations with XChat I've done which are set to location = UK, join #ubuntu-uk by default). [19:35] jpds: really? [19:35] Yes. [19:36] QUICK, EVERYONE, mark that bug as affecting you! [19:36] That would be an awesome troll. [19:36] i just did :) [19:38] !away > _Ovidiu [19:55] marcosRz likes proxies, so I've disabled proxy access to #kubuntu for now [20:06] Pici: Call me silly, but shouldn't it be the responsibility of the Guadalinux developers to remove #ubuntu from autojoin? [20:07] MenZa: You're silly, that bug is filed agains't Guadalinex [20:08] orite. [20:08] Affects me! [20:12] !staff | omfgBBQ is marcosRz ban evading in #kubuntu, please help [20:12] omfgBBQ is marcosRz ban evading in #kubuntu, please help: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) [20:31] tsimpson: staff isn't interested apparently (:) [20:32] I noticed :( [21:05] tsimpson: marcosRz this is the good place i think [21:06] I won't bother you guys anymore, since I don't have freedom to say that something is good or bad. [21:06] marcosRz: you were asked to stop [21:07] I got frustated and got excited, (not sure if those are the corrected words) [21:07] and you decided to evade the ban, several times [21:08] do you see why I have a somewhat negative image of you? [21:08] Sorry I tried using proxies to be hearded but it seems that this doesnt go anywhere :(, anyway I've stopped [21:08] dropping all proxys :3 [21:09] if you find issues in our software you should file bug reports, rather than ranting and being negative in the channel [21:10] the first has a chance of getting the issue fixed, the second doesn't [21:10] ok [21:11] i'm a dev also btw @_@ I just fell frustated [21:11] please give our guidelines a read [21:11] !guidelines [21:11] The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [21:11] I'm even considering getting kpackagekit and making some tweaks :3 [21:11] I'll Seeker` [21:11] oops [21:12] tsimpson: I'll [21:13] I'm sorry If i have caused any troubles [21:13] once you look over the rules, I'll remove the ban(s) on you [21:18] marcosRz: have you read them yet? [21:18] almost done [21:18] done... [21:19] ok, did you look over the code of conduct too? [21:20] yes [21:20] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct [21:21] When we disagree, we consult others [21:21] ok, the bans are removed [21:21] pop quiz! [21:21] ok thanks tsimpson [21:21] kidding :) [21:21] please keep in mind what you have read then when in our channels [21:21] but on the channel where /how I do that [21:21] When we disagree, we consult others [21:21] who do I consult? [21:22] they talk about the ubuntu board, which seems more discussion about software inclusion/standarization [21:22] the code of conduct is geared more towards developers [21:22] it generally means we don't rant at each other, we talk with each other with respect [21:23] ok [21:26] marcosRz: if there's nothing else, you can leave this channel [21:26] sure [21:26] thanks for the time