[04:12] <MenZa> ubottu: tell eltume about o4o
[04:14] <Flannel> MenZa: I don't see how that's inappropriate
[04:15] <MenZa> Flannel: well, borderline
[04:16] <Flannel> MenZa: It was effectively a factual question
[04:17] <MenZa> True, I suppose
[04:17] <Flannel> Just as if I had asked "In what verse does Falstaff claim to be the cause of wit in men" or something similar.
[04:20] <MenZa> Aye, I guess.
[04:21] <tritium> Good evening, Flannel, MenZa.
[04:21] <Flannel> HOwdy tritium
[04:21] <MenZa> morning tritium!
[04:25] <tritium> :)
[05:18] <MenZa> Flannel: I suggest +R-r with a message in /topic.
[05:18] <MenZa> I'm not sure if CTCP requests to /channel/ are still sent to individual users, though
[05:19] <MenZa> In which case, +r is also a good idea.
[05:19] <MenZa> Seems like +R is fine
[05:19] <Flannel> yeah, that's why I was pondering them to begin with
[05:21] <MenZa> I'd rather have genuine unidentified users be met with "Hi, please identify" than being locked out.
[05:21] <MenZa> @ Flannel ^
[05:21] <tsimpson> when they attempt to send a message to a channel the server does send them a message
[05:21] <MenZa> tsimpson: so if I ctcp a channel with something, it is sent to the individual users?
[05:21] <Flannel> MenZa: They get the same thing when they attempt to j... yeah
[05:22] <MenZa> if I'm -e
[05:22] <tsimpson> MenZa: if you ctcp a channel, it gets sent to everyone in the channel, it's just a PRIVMSG
[05:22] <tsimpson> same as any other message to a channel, all in there can see it
[05:22] <MenZa> but PRIVMSGs are blocked if the channel is +R
[05:22] <MenZa> What I'm curious about is if the channel is +R if it just PRIVMSGs every individual user
[05:23] <tsimpson> if it's the http post exploit, then it won't
[05:23] <tsimpson> and most simple script won't either
[05:23] <MenZa> this seems to have dodged it
[05:23] <MenZa> they join, sit for a bit, then part.
[05:24] <tsimpson> +R does not stop them joining
[05:24] <tsimpson> that's +r
[05:24] <MenZa> I am aware
[05:24] <MenZa> But it's not really a problem for them to join
[05:25] <MenZa> As long as they don't CTCP spam.
[05:25] <tsimpson> it's only an issue for those who are already there, trying to send messages
[05:26] <MenZa> tsimpson: if they're unidentified, the message is blocked, so what does it matter?
[05:27] <tsimpson> I mean for real uses, not attackers
[05:27] <MenZa> oh, aye
[05:55] <Myrtti> lots of excesss flood by same people
[05:57] <tsimpson> due to the CTCPs
[05:57] <Myrtti> anyone? im on my  n800 so limited resources
[05:58] <tsimpson> the attacks are in other channels, so not much we can do
[05:58] <nalioth> we're trying to keep up :/
[05:58] <Myrtti> apart from forwarding to another channel?
[05:59] <Flannel> They should settle down soon
[06:02] <nalioth> just keep the two "R"s close at hand
[06:03] <Myrtti> aptitude full-upgrade?
[06:03] <Myrtti> never heard
[06:03] <tsimpson> it's the new name for dist-upgrade I think
[06:05] <elky> please tell me dist-upgrade remains a valid alias...
[06:05] <tsimpson> it does, for now at lease
[06:05] <Flannel> just use apt-get!
[06:05]  * Flannel hides.
[06:07] <elky> i'm more thinking about finger memory and so forth
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34] <Myrtti> moin
[08:43] <Myrtti> how boring
[08:46] <Myrtti> help?
[09:08] <MenZa> Myrtti: ahum?
[09:08] <Myrtti> nothing
[09:08] <Myrtti> I set the channel +R in lack of better solutions
[09:08] <MenZa> :)
[09:08] <MenZa> Ah, CTCP flood?
[09:08] <Myrtti> no, "Install Gentoo"
[09:08] <MenZa> I wasn't following.
[09:09] <MenZa> Myrtti: Set it +Rr then; unregistered users will be forwarded to -unregged instead
[09:11] <gord> freenode is rapidly becoming a registered only world it seems
[09:14] <Myrtti> I just love when I'm told how to do my ops business after being one for 10 years
[09:18] <Myrtti> it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
[09:18] <Myrtti> meh
[09:19] <Myrtti> if anyone else wants to look at the discussion at #ubuntu right now, since I can't think of any way of making it go all support issues again, I'd appreciate
[09:21] <Myrtti> seriously
[09:24] <MenZa> ubottu: tell Zosimos about guidelines
[09:24] <MenZa> ubottu: tell Zosimos about coc
[09:42] <Myrtti> Tm_T: could you have a word with Knubbel the next time you see him online? I agree that his bans should probably stay put, but he joined #xubuntu to ask kubuntu questions.
[09:42] <Myrtti> I'm still a bit sceptic on his explanation that his reason for cursing on the channels is tourettes...
[09:42] <Gary> did zosimos get any more pm's than those two above?
[09:43] <Myrtti> does anyone confess making the bot send him any more pms?
[09:43] <Myrtti> I didn't
[09:45] <Gary> no worries, the user is probably just in the mood for a moan
[09:45] <Myrtti> indeed
[09:59] <Mamarok> Myrtti: that is a lame excuse, Tourette is speaking, certainly *not* writing
[09:59] <Mamarok> seems he has no Tourette at all
[10:00] <Myrtti> Mamarok: I know, I date a tourettean ;-) (with physical, not audible ticks)
[10:00] <Mamarok> OK :)
[10:10] <tsimpson> the bot will always give the nick of who requested it to /msg someone, so it's always traceable
[10:42]  * Myrtti facepalms
[10:42] <Tm_T> ?
[10:44]  * Myrtti goes to get the mail and more coffee and cookies
[10:47] <Myrtti> how tedious
[10:56] <jpds> niko: Can I have a +R in -locoteams please?
[10:56] <Tm_T> yes, please
[10:56] <niko> sure
[10:56] <Tm_T> Myrtti: Knubbel? hmm, if I see him, sure, though I doubt it would be of any use
[11:16] <nalioth>  a +r is all that is needed next time
[11:17] <nalioth> just kick'em out
[11:22] <Tm_T> ye
[11:23] <Tm_T> in general, would it make any sense to have localised -unregged channel in the future?
[11:24] <niko> Tm_T: we have one for #ubuntu-fr* channels
[11:25] <Tm_T> topyli: Myrtti: ^
[11:25] <Tm_T> we need staff in #plasma
[11:26] <topyli> tm_T, it does make sense
[11:27] <Tm_T> topyli: mind to set one up? (:
[11:28] <Tm_T> niko: mind to give +r in #plasma until the only op there is awake?
[11:28] <topyli> tm_T, that means work! :)
[11:28] <topyli> could do it after this other work
[11:29] <Tm_T> topyli: thanks, I most likely cannot get enough time to do it very soon
[11:30] <topyli> it's a good idea especially since afaik all -fi channels are now +r
[11:31] <niko> Tm_T the founder is opped on #plasma
[11:31] <Tm_T> niko: but doesn't answer, so is not active
[11:31] <Tm_T> niko: been idle for, err, 12 hours (:
[11:33] <Tm_T> niko: so should we wait him to wake up?
[11:35] <niko> for the moment, i see no spam on #plasma
[11:35] <Tm_T> yup, did stop when I asked you here, for now
[11:35] <Tm_T> but have been several times in last few hours already
[11:37] <Tm_T> actually, 8 rounds in last 2 hours (:
[11:39] <Tm_T> niko: also #ubuntu-locoteams has those again (:
[11:39] <Tm_T> and ^
[11:42] <Tm_T> and plenty of other channels, but those can be left
[11:43] <Myrtti> topyli, Tm_T: have you done the channel yet?
[11:43] <Tm_T> not me
[11:43] <topyli> Myrtti, no
[11:43] <topyli> we're dreamers
[11:43] <Myrtti> -fi-rekisteroidy?
[11:43] <Tm_T> R. is in her "destruct everything" mode here
[11:44] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ok to me
[11:44] <topyli> i'm having a heated email discussion with colleagues who think jabber would make things even harder, not easier
[11:45] <topyli> Myrtti, you're creating it?
[11:45] <Myrtti> yup
[11:45] <topyli> good good
[11:45] <elky> wait, colleagues. does that mean you have like a real job now?
[11:46] <topyli> of course not
[11:46] <Tm_T> oh what Bac is talking about?!
[11:46] <topyli> just some researchers i'm supposed to work with
[11:47] <Myrtti> channel registered, work interferes
[11:47] <Tm_T> Myrtti: no hurry, and big thanks
[11:47]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[11:49] <elky> topyli, i thought your research ran out of funds or something though :-/
[11:50] <topyli> elky, it did. i'm eating savings and looking for a job
[11:50] <elky> ah
[11:50] <topyli> no harm writing papers for conferences and looking at grants as well
[11:51] <elky> of course not
[11:53] <topyli> and my dissertation is not *quite* there yet, although it's getting close. writing gets harder as the details get more boring
[12:30] <Myrtti> do I need some magic skillz to set a channel +f #channel2?
[12:31] <niko> no, if you are opped
[12:31] <elky> i think nal set it so we only need to +r it now
[12:32] <Myrtti> !calkins.freenode.net #ubuntu-fi has no forward channel
[12:32] <Myrtti> it maek no sense
[12:33] <kloeri_> /mode #channel +f #otherchannel and #otherchannel needs to be -Q
[12:33] <kloeri_> and it only forwards users blocked by +i, +r og +j join throttling
[12:34]  * Myrtti blinks
[12:36] <ikonia> ??
[12:37] <kloeri_> Myrtti: which channel are you trying to forward? and where to?
[12:39] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-fi to #ubuntu-fi-rekisteroidy with +r
[12:40] <kloeri_> if you're +o in #ubuntu-fi you should be able to /mode #ubuntu-fi +f #ubuntu-fi-rekisteroidy
[13:00] <Myrtti> oh the irony
[13:01] <Myrtti> there's complaints about the +r from a person that is registered and identified
[13:01] <Tm_T> Myrtti: iron-y
[13:03] <kloeri_> heh, he prefers the spam?
[13:04] <Tm_T> kloeri_: yes
[13:06] <kloeri_> amazing
[13:06] <Tm_T> he is
[13:06] <Myrtti> apparently would be better to let some spam in and let bots do banning than force people to register
[13:07] <kloeri_> it's a balance but for many channels I think the choice would have obviously fallen out in favour of +R/+r lately imo
[13:08] <Myrtti> kloeri_: yeah, well, most channels do not have bots that would do kicking
[13:08] <kloeri_> nod
[13:09] <kloeri_> and the constant kicking would itself be fairly noisy so not all that helpful
[13:10] <Tm_T> kloeri_: and new users having K-lined because their ip spams...
[13:11] <kloeri_> fortunately we haven't hit that many real users compared to the amount of spam bots we've klined
[13:11] <Tm_T> kloeri_: true
[13:11] <kloeri_> and we've worked hard to remove those klines quickly
[13:11] <Tm_T> ye
[13:11] <Tm_T> still, better to encourage registering than having them K-lined
[13:12] <kloeri_> and to be brutally honest - those users *were* part of the problem as it doesn't really matter if the channel is massively spammed by a vicious bot or clueless user
[13:12] <Tm_T> yes
[13:12] <kloeri_> yeah, I'm all for people registering
[13:38] <Myrtti> is there still attacks going on?
[13:38] <Tm_T> Myrtti: not that I know
[13:47] <Myrtti> anyone?
[13:48] <Tm_T> apparently no, no complaints in #f either
[13:48] <Pici> Nothing in any of my channels lately.
[13:48] <Myrtti> anyone protest if I -r #ubuntu and -ot
[13:48] <Tm_T> not me
[13:49] <kloeri_> yeah, looks fairly calm now
[13:59] <Myrtti> I was feeling hopeful
[13:59] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes?
[13:59]  * Pici finishes writing bug report
[13:59] <Myrtti> *sigh* spanish flooders
[14:03] <Myrtti> can i put +R on again :-<
[14:03] <Tm_T> where?
[14:06]  * Myrtti facepalms
[14:07] <Tm_T> Myrtti: time for tea, I'd say
[14:13] <Pici> bleh. lp is oopsing when I try to file this bug
[14:19] <Pici> Er. I don't get Emanon's joke.
[14:19] <Myrtti> bangcolon?
[14:19] <Myrtti> hashcolon?
[14:20] <Tm_T> maybe he meant #|
[14:41] <Myrtti> the quality of the channel was so much higher with +Rr
[14:42] <Tm_T> Myrtti: was there any support questions then? (;
[14:42] <Myrtti> sure
[14:50] <Myrtti> !away > ghis|away
[15:45] <Myrtti> it's almost whack-a-mole with the guadalinex users
[15:51] <Tm_T> Myrtti: just not the fun part, hammer
[16:13] <Myrtti> heads up, #mer just got hit
[16:28] <Tm_T> nice drama around IRCnet, some people threats taking over channels, apparently have done too
[16:38] <Mamarok> oh no, now my BNC account is running wilde, even if I don't use it...
[17:05] <Pici> maybe that will work
[17:05] <Myrtti> uhoh
[17:07] <Pici> ...
[17:08] <Myrtti> yuuupp.
[17:08] <Myrtti> lull before war
[17:28] <Tm_T> Myrtti: btw what's the situation with new aliases?
[17:29] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I've not had time, neither has ikonia
[17:29] <Myrtti> feel free to do your own digging
[17:29] <Pici> irssi aliases? or a specific script?
[17:30] <Myrtti> irssi aliases is what I've been doing. Ikonia was planning to do the scripts, and I was planning to look from that how to do stuff.
[17:31] <Tm_T> Myrtti: roger, I hope I will have some time soon, as my todo is piling up ):
[17:55] <maco> uh why does !sysrq say Alt+PrintScreen??
[17:55] <maco> it's Alt+SysRq!
[17:56] <Myrtti> someone who's updated that factoid has had a similar keyboard to mine
[17:57] <maco> and a rather different one from mine
[17:58] <topyli> my sysrq key doesn't say sysrq, just "print screen"
[17:58] <maco> mine says "Del" in normal text and "SysRq" in the please-hold-down-Fn-with-me text
[17:59] <maco> PrtSc is on the key next to it, also in please-hold-down-Fn-with-me text
[17:59] <maco> (thats the Ins key normally)
[17:59] <topyli> well, obvously your keyboard is wrong and mine is correct! :)
[18:00] <maco> i would think keyboards that properly label the SysRq key are the ones that are correct
[18:01] <maco> my mum's keyboard doesnt have a SysRq key at all. i tried all the usual weird ones they put it on
[18:01] <maco> and apparently new Thinkpads won't have a SysRq key at all either :(
[18:01] <topyli> yep, i read about that
[18:02] <gord> my keyboard here has sysrq on the del key too
[18:02] <topyli> one thing i've never figured out is the pause/break key
[18:02] <topyli> i vaguely remember there being some use for it in dos
[18:03] <gord> its for pausing the internet so you can take a break, obviously
[18:03] <gord> duh
[18:03] <topyli> ooh
[18:05] <maco> pausing games too
[18:07] <Tm_T> I prefer pausing the internets
[18:07] <topyli> i have no games to pause
[18:07] <topyli> a pause key for -ot would be nice sometimes
[18:07] <Tm_T> topyli: Life's a game?
[18:08] <Tm_T> actually, Life's a long song
[18:13] <maco> is there a way to redirect an entire channel other than: /mode +b *!*@*!#newchannel ?
[18:14] <Myrtti> yes
[18:14] <Myrtti> I think
[18:14] <Pici> maco: /mode +if #newchannel
[18:14] <maco> kjcole needs to know as we are renaming our loco channel
[18:15] <maco> Pici: thanks
[18:15] <maco> kjcole: test?
[18:15] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/MovingChannels
[18:15] <Myrtti> I was just cheating and looking from the freenode manual :-(
[18:15] <Pici> maco: From what to what?
[18:16] <maco> #ubuntu-dc to #ubuntu-us-dc since popey said the us teams are supposed to be uniform
[18:16] <Pici> Okay, sounds good
[18:16] <Tm_T> not only popey
[18:16] <Tm_T> I would say the same
[18:16] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I'm planning to -Rr on -fi again
[18:17] <Pici> Tm_T: Well, as long as its okay by you ;)
[18:17] <Tm_T> Myrtti: sounds good to me
[18:17] <Tm_T> Pici: indeed
[18:17] <Tm_T> I have spoken, now go and do
[18:17]  * Tm_T hides
[18:17] <tsimpson> I'm not sure +if works without GUARD set
[18:23] <Myrtti> nnngghghghghghghghhghghgHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH
[18:23] <Myrtti> will      not        kill
[18:24]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[18:24] <Tm_T> if nothing else, keeping your hand away from that kill switch
[19:09] <genii> Whoa. Just sat down here, and see highlights... bleh.
[19:09]  * genii feeds tsimpson more cookies
[19:09] <Pici> tsimpson: interesting, if cryptic, answer
[19:10] <tsimpson> I asked him to join here to discuss it, so he joined #k-devel ...
[19:12] <tsimpson> now he's attempting to evade with webchat
[19:12] <Pici> tsk tsk
[19:14] <genii> I wonder if he's the guy running the hola-bots
[19:14] <Pici> Bots?
[19:17] <genii> Pici: The crapload the other day with something like: "HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
[19:17] <Pici> genii: ah.
[19:20] <Tm_T> tsimpson: nice, I had my finger on enter key... (:
[19:21] <tsimpson> I was just looking up a password :)
[19:33] <jpds> Pici: Did you file the Guadalinux bug in the end?
[19:33] <Pici> bug 513915
[19:33] <Pici> jpds: After fighting with lp OOPS,  I did.
[19:34] <genii> "wontfix" ?
[19:34] <jpds> Pici: I think some IRC channels do join loco changes by default.
[19:35] <jpds> (All the installations with XChat I've done which are set to location = UK, join #ubuntu-uk by default).
[19:35] <Pici> jpds: really?
[19:35] <jpds> Yes.
[19:36] <jpds> QUICK, EVERYONE, mark that bug as affecting you!
[19:36] <jpds> That would be an awesome troll.
[19:36] <topyli> i just did :)
[19:38] <Pici> !away > _Ovidiu
[19:55] <tsimpson> marcosRz likes proxies, so I've disabled proxy access to #kubuntu for now
[20:06] <MenZa> Pici: Call me silly, but shouldn't it be the responsibility of the Guadalinux developers to remove #ubuntu from autojoin?
[20:07] <Pici> MenZa: You're silly, that bug is filed agains't Guadalinex
[20:08] <MenZa> orite.
[20:08] <MenZa> Affects me!
[20:12] <tsimpson> !staff | omfgBBQ is marcosRz ban evading in #kubuntu, please help
[20:31] <Tm_T> tsimpson: staff isn't interested apparently (:)
[20:32] <tsimpson> I noticed :(
[21:05] <niko> tsimpson: marcosRz this is the good place i think
[21:06] <marcosRz> I won't bother you guys anymore, since I don't have freedom to say that something is good or bad.
[21:06] <tsimpson> marcosRz: you were asked to stop
[21:07] <marcosRz> I got frustated and got excited, (not sure if those are the corrected words)
[21:07] <tsimpson> and you decided to evade the ban, several times
[21:08] <tsimpson> do you see why I have a somewhat negative image of you?
[21:08] <marcosRz> Sorry I tried using proxies to be hearded but it seems that this doesnt go anywhere :(, anyway I've stopped
[21:08] <marcosRz> dropping all proxys :3
[21:09] <tsimpson> if you find issues in our software you should file bug reports, rather than ranting and being negative in the channel
[21:10] <tsimpson> the first has a chance of getting the issue fixed, the second doesn't
[21:10] <marcosRz> ok
[21:11] <marcosRz> i'm a dev also btw @_@ I just fell frustated
[21:11] <tsimpson> please give our guidelines a read
[21:11] <tsimpson> !guidelines
[21:11] <marcosRz> I'm even considering getting kpackagekit and making some tweaks :3
[21:11] <marcosRz> I'll Seeker`
[21:11] <marcosRz> oops
[21:12] <marcosRz> tsimpson: I'll
[21:13] <marcosRz> I'm sorry If i have caused any troubles
[21:13] <tsimpson> once you look over the rules, I'll remove the ban(s) on you
[21:18] <tsimpson> marcosRz: have you read them yet?
[21:18] <marcosRz> almost done
[21:18] <marcosRz> done...
[21:19] <tsimpson> ok, did you look over the code of conduct too?
[21:20] <marcosRz> yes
[21:20] <marcosRz> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[21:21] <marcosRz> When we disagree, we consult others
[21:21] <tsimpson> ok, the bans are removed
[21:21] <topyli> pop quiz!
[21:21] <marcosRz> ok thanks tsimpson
[21:21] <topyli> kidding :)
[21:21] <tsimpson> please keep in mind what you have read then when in our channels
[21:21] <marcosRz> but on the channel where /how I do that
[21:21] <marcosRz> When we disagree, we consult others
[21:21] <marcosRz> who do I consult?
[21:22] <marcosRz> they talk about the ubuntu board, which seems more discussion about software inclusion/standarization
[21:22] <tsimpson> the code of conduct is geared more towards developers
[21:22] <tsimpson> it generally means we don't rant at each other, we talk with each other with respect
[21:23] <marcosRz> ok
[21:26] <tsimpson> marcosRz: if there's nothing else, you can leave this channel
[21:26] <marcosRz> sure
[21:26] <marcosRz> thanks for the time