| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|errand | ||
| doctormo_ | Does anyone know if mpt is usually on irc? | 15:54 |
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| ivanka | doctormo_: he is. he is on holiday now though | 16:00 |
| ivanka | doctormo_: hi! | 16:00 |
| ivanka | doctormo_: anything I can help with? | 16:01 |
| doctormo_ | ivanka: Only if you would like to help :-) | 16:02 |
| doctormo_ | Him being on holiday explains his brief comment on my blog, then. I hope he's having a good time. | 16:02 |
| === doctormo_ is now known as doctormo | ||
| ivanka | doctormo_: depends what it is you want help with :-) | 16:03 |
| doctormo | ivanka: So did you see the demonstration video yesterday on my blog? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/ground-control-demonstration/ | 16:03 |
| doctormo | ivanka: I'm thinking of removing the extended non-bold descriptions and just having the bold parts. Your thoughts? | 16:04 |
| ivanka | hang on - not seen it | 16:04 |
| ivanka | I have a call at 4.30 (in 20 minutes) have I got time to watch and comment before then? | 16:05 |
| doctormo | ivanka: yes, it's 9mins | 16:05 |
| ivanka | doctormo: (only at 1.41) quick question: how did you record your demo? | 16:09 |
| * ivanka goes back to the video | 16:09 | |
| doctormo | ivanka: gtk-mydesktop + cheese | 16:09 |
| doctormo | gtk-recordmydesktop* | 16:09 |
| ivanka | doctormo: did you find it slows down your machine? | 16:09 |
| doctormo | It wasn't apparent at the time, but there are parts in the recording where you can see the machine was working hard. | 16:10 |
| ivanka | doctormo: ok, just curious | 16:18 |
| ivanka | doctormo: have thoughts, well actually, questions - call starting now though | 16:32 |
| doctormo | ok | 16:32 |
| ivanka | doctormo: nice demo! | 16:32 |
| doctormo | ivanka: thanks, I'm looking forward to hearing you rthoughts | 16:32 |
| === MacSlow|errand is now known as MacSlow | ||
| ivanka | doctormo: hi again. Who is your target audience for this? | 17:10 |
| doctormo | ivanka: Course writers, none technical people. | 17:10 |
| ivanka | doctormo: I should install it so I get a better sense of the full experience | 17:11 |
| doctormo | ivanka: Sure, I'm trying to make it better now, I'm figuring out where to put the more verbose descriptions of the bars. | 17:14 |
| ivanka | doctormo: is there a particular reason why you are focussing on that? | 17:38 |
| ivanka | doctormo: you there? | 18:07 |
| doctormo | Sorry, went for lunch | 18:13 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: hi | 21:10 |
| doctormo | hey ivanka1 | 21:10 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: I went to lunch before, sorry | 21:10 |
| ivanka1 | hmm - wonder why I am ivanka1 | 21:11 |
| ivanka1 | anyway | 21:11 |
| ivanka1 | that's ok - I have installed Ground Control | 21:11 |
| ivanka1 | I like your big buttons | 21:11 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: I have some feedback | 21:13 |
| doctormo | great | 21:13 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: did you get round to answering why you focussed on those labels? have you had specific feedback? | 21:14 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: It's a technical issue, if the descriptions are too big and the window too small, then the text is cropped, which isn't desirable. | 21:14 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: 1) Simple thing: My launchpad is authenticated, I see my picture and the buttons offer me <logoff> or <close>. Both seem like negative actions. Can the be an obvious 'Get going with ground control' type thing? | 21:16 |
| ivanka1 | I mean 'can there' not 'can the' | 21:16 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: btw, I am on the train so, if I disappear, forgive me, I will have to catch you another day | 21:17 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: ah, technical issues are annoying. Can the text not wrap? | 21:17 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: It can only wrap 2/3 fixed position which doesn't respond to window resizes. | 21:18 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: ok...am thinking about it. | 21:19 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: any thoughts on the <logoff><close> | 21:19 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: So, I have the choice of using an gnome label and replace gtk-close with gtk-ok, gtk-next or gtk-refresh. Or use my own custom label for the button. | 21:19 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: what about 'start' as a custom label? | 21:20 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: gtk-next might be ok too | 21:20 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: We also have gtk-forward and gtk-apply which might work too. | 21:22 |
| doctormo | The advantage is that a standard label will be translated into every language gnome is. | 21:22 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: yes - anything which reflects a positive action | 21:22 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: that is a worthwhile advantage | 21:22 |
| doctormo | OK, fixed to gtk-apply | 21:23 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: cool. | 21:23 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: now, remembering that I don't have a ppa but I do have a launchpad account | 21:24 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: I don't get past that screen | 21:24 |
| ivanka1 | ivanka1: it is up to you to decide how you want to handle a user like me | 21:25 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: oops - I am a bit tired | 21:25 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: it is up to you to decide how you want to handle a user like me | 21:25 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: 1st question: is this designed behaviour, 2nd if not, what do you want my next step to be | 21:26 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: am I describing the scenario well enough? | 21:27 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: Did you type in your username and password and are you using lucid? | 21:27 |
| doctormo | There is a known problem with lucid that I've fixed but the update will come through tonight. | 21:28 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: yes to first, my identity is confirmed back to me with a picture (nice touch btw) and no to the second, not on this machine | 21:28 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: Ah ok, so your confirmed as a user, good. I think I'm confused as to what your describing yourself as. You don't need a PPA to use the program. | 21:29 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: I was just trying to give you all the facts to help you understand what is happening :-) | 21:30 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: OK I think the bit I'm missing is what screen your stuck on. | 21:31 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: I am glad a ppa isn't required. now that is understood - what should happen next? | 21:33 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: You press close? | 21:33 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: I take it you went to the program via Applications > Accessories > Launchpad Account menu item? | 21:33 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: yes - then nothing happens and Ground Control disappears. | 21:33 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: yes | 21:34 |
| doctormo | Ah right | 21:34 |
| doctormo | So open up your Home folder | 21:34 |
| doctormo | And make a directory called 'Projects' | 21:34 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: done | 21:36 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: now have found projects and see the label | 21:36 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: maybe we should think about a 'first use' scenario? | 21:36 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: Yes, it's designed to be installed and for people to have a Projects directory already and to navigate to it without having to go to the Launchpad Account menu item you used. | 21:37 |
| doctormo | But it's a good point that there isn't an obvious reason to expect that. | 21:37 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: well, I already have a projects folder | 21:38 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: this is why I asked who it is for - I got the impression from the blog post that it was for newbies | 21:38 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: Well it is, it will make a projects folder if you don't have one. | 21:38 |
| doctormo | And the banner at first has a button which goes to the configuration. | 21:39 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: I see. | 21:39 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: I think a scenario which covers discovery and first use would be useful to us | 21:40 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: going back to your original question. Can you expand the label on the button itself? | 21:44 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: does that help with the text wrapping? | 21:45 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: You mean make the label on the button more verbose than it is at the moment? | 21:45 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: Is there a technical limitation? | 21:47 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: also, can the labels be dynamic? | 21:47 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: There is no technical limit on the label in the button, it should even wrap. | 21:48 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: I'm not sure what dynamic labels are. | 21:48 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: by dynamic I mean, for ground control project, could the button label be <Load Ground Control Code>? | 21:49 |
| doctormo | Sure, it can be anything, but how is that meaningful to the user? | 21:50 |
| doctormo | Since the button is already generated depending on the context of the situation. | 21:50 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: I am just trying to think through what the user would gain by the labels you have being removed | 21:51 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: and exploring why you had them in the first place - what would they lose | 21:51 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: and, considering the technical limitations, is there a different way of creating the same effect | 21:51 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: make sense? | 21:51 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: I think we could have a small 'icon' help button which explains the current context. | 21:52 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: am worried my train will arrive in a sec - am trying to make sense but be fast :-) | 21:52 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: I think we can pick this up later, you've given me food for thought. | 21:53 |
| doctormo | ivanka1: but keep playing with it | 21:53 |
| doctormo | Thanks for your help :-) | 21:53 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: np | 21:54 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: I think it is nice if help can be incorporated in the interface | 21:54 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: in tests I have observed that people click help as a last resort | 21:55 |
| doctormo | Yes, something ubuntu-docs team is fustrated with | 21:55 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: hmm | 21:57 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: right train approaching last stop | 21:57 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: will keep playing and keep you posted | 21:57 |
| ivanka1 | doctormo: night! | 21:57 |
| doctormo | night | 21:58 |
| doctormo | thanks again | 21:58 |
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