[00:00] <joerg> highvolt1ge, well, it will be a new ear of education :o)
[00:00] <joerg> era
[00:00] <joerg> in the best case
[00:00] <joerg> in the worst case it will be a bzr repository floating around on launchpad that nobody ever downloads :)
[00:00] <highvolt1ge> heh
[00:01] <crimsun> stgraber: at what level is the esd nightmare?
[00:02] <stgraber> crimsun: well, the NX client acts as an esd and NX sends the ESD packets in the SSH tunnel. So currently you don't get much sound as ESD isn't that much used anymore.
[00:02] <stgraber> only way to get all sounds working is to use pulse's esd sink
[00:02] <stgraber> but then it adds a 2s or so latency ;)
[00:03] <crimsun> nasty
[00:04] <stgraber> I tried sending pulse's native protocol in the tunnel instead and replace the esd binary by some script starting pulse, sounds then magically works but it requires a lot of bandwidth
[00:04] <stgraber> as it's not a compressed protocol (AFAIK) and so is very sensitive to latency and won't work over the internet at all
[00:07] <joerg> so guys....if I write my specs: is it wise to write more or less blueprints?
[00:07] <joerg> I mean, describe a lot of functionality in one blueprint?
[00:07] <joerg> I'd probably post one blueprint for the core functionality and one for each module that I plan to develop or integrate
[00:13] <joerg> and does launchpad host wikis somewhere?
[00:13] <joerg> I cant find anything....
[00:13] <highvolt1ge> joerg: you certainly don't want too many blueprints
[00:13] <joerg> but one for each module is ok, isn't it?
[00:14] <joerg> modules like "webmail", "user management", "homedir access" I mean.
[00:14] <crimsun> stgraber: yeah, the plugins changes are in the pipeline
[00:14] <crimsun> won't land for 10.04 or 10.10
[06:10] <Balsaq> Ahmuck!!!
[06:10] <Balsaq> How have you been?
[07:27] <alkisg> Καλήμερα
[15:46] <joerg> very quiet here today :)
[15:58] <joerg> sbalneav, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/myserv/+spec/myserv-core
[15:58] <joerg> sbalneav, can you have a brief look at it? thx ;)
[15:59] <sbalneav> joerg: ok, will do
[16:05] <joerg> sbalneav, you don't need to read it actually.....just tell me if that fits from the structure etc.
[16:09] <joerg> sbalneav, oh and btw. - if you are interesting to see what we are trying to replace/make better: I have a demo account for the proprietary IServ thing for you. Just give me a shout then.
[16:35] <joerg> highvoltage, hey....are working for canonical? :)
[16:37] <ogra> no, he works for rvolutionlinux
[16:37] <ogra> *re
[16:38] <highvoltage> joerg: revolutionlinux mostly and then do some other work part-time as well
[16:38] <joerg> he he....
[16:38] <joerg> I just saw the .za domain on the mailinglist and got curious
[16:39] <highvoltage> joerg: not the best assumption, no one in .za works for canonical :)
[16:39] <ogra> yeah
[16:39] <joerg> he he....they only have 200 employees or sth like that, right?
[16:39] <ogra> most of us are german, uk, or us ... and then we spread over about 60 other countries with single people
[16:39] <ogra> 300
[16:39] <joerg> ah, okay....
[16:40] <ogra> distro is only like 50-60 people though
[16:41] <joerg> ogra, thats quite small...microsoft probably has half a million for their "distro" :D
[16:41] <ogra> heh, yeah
[16:42] <highvoltage> joerg: well if you're counting like that you should probably count the whole of debian and a lof ot upstream as well ;)
[16:42] <highvoltage> joerg: you'd be suprised how much of windows is developed outside of Microsoft or has been outsourced
[16:42] <ogra> yeah, definately
[16:42] <ogra> 80% of ubuntu comes unmodified from debian
[16:43] <stgraber> ogra: last few UDSes there seemed to be a lot of french people at Canonical (I'd say more than German who used to be the majority a few years ago ;))
[16:44] <joerg> highvoltage, mhhm....that might be true.....if MS would do everything on their own the software would probably be even worse ^^
[16:44] <stgraber> or it's just because these french guys talk more than the others :)
[16:44] <joerg> I love it when frenchies speak english :)
[16:45] <stgraber> heh
[16:51] <ogra> stgraber, yeah, france is taking over
[16:51] <ogra> surely a secret plan :P
[16:51] <ogra> highvoltage, stgraber, great work on the new website, congrats
[16:52] <highvoltage> thanks ogra!
[17:08] <mhall119|work> there's a new website?
[17:08] <joerg> mhall119|work, ltsp-cluster.org I guess :)
[17:09] <mhall119|work> oh, nice
[17:26] <vmlintu> joerg_: I haven't got the time to finish the scripts yet..
[17:27] <vmlintu> joerg_: I try to finish the articles first and I'll be travelling a bit, so it'll be probably take some time before I get a chance to actually finish them..
[17:28] <joerg_> vmlintu, mhhm....I will probably just copy and paste all these commands to a big shell script then ;) that I can at least install one or two test servers without going through it by hand
[17:29] <vmlintu> joerg_: there were some typos in the first version that should be now fixed
[17:29] <joerg_> vmlintu, I just wonder....would a script like that do more than asking for the dn and the admin pw? :)
[17:29] <vmlintu> joerg_: not much, but I'm trying to make it first check what the status of the ldap directory is before it overwrites everything..
[17:30] <joerg_> vmlintu, oh and btw. the slapdtest utility can convert slapd.conf to a dir and vice versa....just to let you know that....some ldap guy told me that yesterday ;)
[17:30] <vmlintu> joerg_: yes, I'm writing about that too..
[17:31] <vmlintu> joerg_: just takes time to proof-read the stuff as wrong instructions are totally useless..
[17:32] <joerg_> indeed
[17:33] <joerg_> vmlintu, oh....and just to let you know: I wrote a more detailed spec about the portal project now (which is called MyServ now)
[17:33] <joerg_> because the old proprietary thing is called IServ :D
[17:33] <vmlintu> what was the url?
[17:33] <joerg_> vmlintu, myserv-project.org :)
[17:33] <joerg_> the spec is linked at launchpad as well
[17:34] <vmlintu> I've been just chatting with penguins.. ;) http://twitpic.com/10afh8
[17:40] <vmlintu> joerg_: what's your timeframe for the project?
[18:28] <joerg_> vmlintu, don't have one.
[18:29] <joerg_> vmlintu, they decided to not pay a single cent for that proprietary stuff anymore yesterday.....so basically the servers just keeping running without any (functional) updates until there's something new.
[18:37] <stgraber> ogra: thanks
[18:42] <vmlintu> joerg_: who was "they"?
[19:02] <joerg_> vmlintu, the regional computer center here :)
[19:02] <joerg_> vmlintu, the guys who sometimes pay me for projects :)
[19:17] <Traveler0> hi i have edubuntu 7.04 on eeepc 9000 why i cant connect to wifi
[19:18] <Traveler0> i put the pass all the time but it just doesnt want to connect
[19:22] <sbalneav> Traveler0: probably a driver issue, but 7,04's EOL, so it's unsupported now.
[19:24] <Traveler0> sbalneav well i can see the wifi i put the pass but its just doesnt want to connect and i know its iys EOL but its from work and i cant change it
[19:24] <Traveler0> wait is edubuntu gnome cuz it doens look anything like gnome more like xfce
[19:25] <sbalneav> Edubuntu's gnome.
[19:27] <Traveler0> lol
[19:27] <Traveler0> what is that
[19:27] <sbalneav> We use gnome as the desktop.
[19:28] <sbalneav> Can you post a screen shot of what you've got on the box?
[19:34] <Traveler0> no i cant connect to internet
[19:34] <Traveler0> i need fresh install
[19:35] <sbalneav> But, you're on the internet now :)
[19:35] <sbalneav> can't you take a screen shot, save it to a memory stick, and post it somewhere from a different machine?
[19:35] <Traveler0> not on eeepc
[19:36] <highvoltage> usb flash disk
[19:36] <Traveler0> hmmm
[19:36] <Traveler0> i cant i am on 64/64 kbps internet
[19:37] <Traveler0> i over used my internet :P
[19:37] <sbalneav> Well, you can still post an image over 64/64
[19:37] <sbalneav> Without seeing your screen, I can't say for sure what you've got on there.
[19:38] <sbalneav> But regardless, if you're at 7.04, you're out of luck anyway.  There's no support for that anymore.
[19:38] <Traveler0> i know what is gnome i have gnome but this is strange
[19:38] <sbalneav> On an eeepc I'd load 10.04 UNR
[19:39] <sbalneav> sorry 9.10 UNR
[19:39] <Traveler0> is it edubuntu lighter than ubuntu
[19:39] <sbalneav> No, the opposite.  Edubuntu's got MORE stuff than ubuntu.
[19:39] <sbalneav> UNR's what you want.  Ubuntu Netbook Remix
[19:40] <Traveler0> now that is smt i will never put in my net book :P
[19:40] <sbalneav> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[19:40] <sbalneav> Sorry? I don't understand.
[19:42] <Traveler0> i dont like it
[19:42] <sbalneav> Don't like what?
[19:43] <Traveler0> it makes my netbook look like phone not a pc
[19:43] <sbalneav> Well, then just install regular ubuntu then.
[19:43] <sbalneav> No one's forcing you to use UNR :)
[19:44] <Traveler0> lol
[19:44] <Traveler0> and its for my mom
[19:44] <Traveler0> ubuntu it is
[19:44] <Traveler0> will it be able to watch youtube ???
[19:45] <sbalneav> All my computers run some form of Ubuntu, and I can watch Youtube on all of them.
[19:45] <sbalneav> just install flashplugin-nonfree.
[19:45] <Traveler0> yes but i mean 1.6 atom
[19:46] <sbalneav> I have an Acer Aspire One at home, running UNR.  Youtube's fine on that.
[19:46] <Traveler0> cuz i have intel 1.73 l2 2mb and i stilll have problems with youtube
[19:47] <sbalneav> I don't have an eeepc, so I don't know, video driver wise how they are.
[19:48] <Traveler0> we will se a format cant hirt anybody :P
[19:48] <sbalneav> but I've got a 1.6 in the aspire one, and I can watch youtube videos.
[19:49] <Traveler0> got to go its friday
[19:49] <Traveler0> sudo apt-get install friday-night-nonfree
[19:49] <Traveler0> :D
[22:09] <dgroos> Any one have some idea why I can't update my iTALC globalconfig.xml file?
[22:15] <dgroos> I added all my clients to iTALC last week and made those setting persistant as per Ubuntu wiki instructions.  Yesterday I tried to add another class (booting from the same server) and was not able to find the config file that had all of the new clients I'd just added!  Finally, I had to quit iTALC and upon restarting italc of course the new class was gone.  Any ideas?
[22:16] <alkisg> What wiki instructions?
[22:19] <dgroos> first these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc which worked the first time.
[22:20] <dgroos> then these http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Customizing_paths_to_keys_and_config-files which said I needed to quit italc before moving the file.
[22:22]  * alkisg hasn't used "global" configuration files, only "per-teacher" configuration files...
[22:22] <dgroos> that dude is one step ahead of the crowd :)
[22:22] <alkisg> I really don't like that page :)
[22:23] <dgroos> that would be personalconfig.xml?
[22:23] <dgroos> Oh come on!  think of all the business here on irc it has given you ;)
[22:23] <alkisg> E.g. the scp line is bound to make people unhappy... no chown no chmod, nothing...
[22:23] <alkisg> Heh, sure
[22:24] <dgroos> So, when I added a class to italc, where should that info have been? ~/.italc/?
[22:24] <dgroos> (before quitting italc, that is)
[22:24] <alkisg> I don't know about global configuration files, so I can't help on that
[22:25] <alkisg> For per-teacher configuration files, sure, they're on ~/.italc
[22:25] <dgroos> Don't you have persistent user lists?  How do you do it?
[22:25] <alkisg> Nothing special, it's automatic
[22:25] <dgroos> how do you make them persistent?  Just the auto list ay?
[22:25] <alkisg> Whatever changes you do are saved
[22:26] <alkisg> The "autodetected computers" class is the only one that is regenerated everytime
[22:26] <alkisg> So if you rename it once, it'll stay..
[22:26] <dgroos> I'm confused.  I thought it made a fresh copy of the class each time.  How do you 'save a class'?  I see...
[22:27] <dgroos> And I rename it by going into personalconfig.xml and chance the class name?
[22:27] <alkisg> No, from the gui
[22:27] <alkisg> You don't have to deal with files...
[22:28] <dgroos> alas, I learn vi and now I don't need it ;)
[22:28] <dgroos> I can't find the way to change it in the gui, though, just looked.
[22:31] <alkisg> Right click on the autodetected computers and select "rename"
[22:32] <dgroos> OK, cool, and then it won't auto detect anymore?
[22:33] <alkisg> It will have 2 classes, one with autodetected computers and the other one that you just renamed
[22:33] <alkisg> But if you start it with "italc" instead of "italc-launcher", it will only have the one you renamed
[22:33] <dgroos> ?  I start from the menu, not via terminal...
[22:34] <alkisg> Yeah you'd need to change the menu (=the italc.desktop file) for that
[22:34] <alkisg> Or if you use the italc devel ppa, I think you can also use a configuration file and say USE_AUTODETECTION=No
[22:35] <alkisg> AUTODETECT_CLIENTS=False
[22:35] <alkisg> in /etc/italc/italc.conf
[22:36] <dgroos> Thanks, where would I ...
[22:36] <dgroos> right :)
[22:36] <dgroos> Got to catch a plane!  But I'll save this stuff and make it work on monday!  Thanks again alkisg :)
[22:36] <alkisg> Have a nice trip