[00:36]  * JontheEchidna wonders where ScottK is
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Want to show him this: http://imagebin.ca/view/fUA_BCW.html
[00:38] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: yesterday evening, jr says scottk was only in #ubuntu-women channel
[00:38] <Lex79> lol
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> lol?
[00:39] <Lex79> yeah, dunno why
[00:40] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: -*- Riddell wonders why scottk is in #ubuntu-women but not in here
[00:40] <Lex79> :)
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> hmm, seems to be only in #kde-devel and #quassel according to whois
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> maybe he's just taking a vacation from it all
[00:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes he is
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> and that's a good thing to do from time to time
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: anywayz, I fix0r3d packagekit and it's now nicely sitting in binary new :)
[00:43] <Riddell> what needed fix0r1ng?
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> oh, it FTBFS'd in a few places
[00:45] <Riddell> fooey.  thakns
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[01:01] <neversfelde> ha, Lex79, JontheEchidna and Riddell, I need your help :)
[01:01] <neversfelde> how do I skip dh_auto_test for debehlper in debian/rules
[01:02] <neversfelde> the manpage recommends to skip it, if it fails
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> maybe do an override on that and set it to do nothing?
[01:06] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: how can I do this?
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> I think you do something similar in your minitube package with a few other dh things
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> for example:
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> override_dh_auto_configure:
[01:07] <JontheEchidna>         qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> maybe try override_dh_auto_test:, but with nothing on the next line
[01:07] <neversfelde> yes, but how do I disable it completely
[01:07] <neversfelde> I'll try
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> I dunno if that's the proper way, or even if it'll work
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> worth a shot though I guess
[01:10] <Lex79> neversfelde: I found this http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/aqbanking/libgwenhywfar/trunk/debian/rules
[01:10] <Lex79> maybe dh build --after dh_auto_test
[01:12] <neversfelde> Lex79: thanks I will try it
[01:13] <neversfelde> btw what are we doing with kmymoney in lucid?
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> imo it'd probably be best to wait for a stable release before updating it to the KDE4 version
[01:14] <neversfelde> k
[01:14] <neversfelde> it is a LTS release, so probably best
[01:16] <neversfelde> on the other hand, we have to support it for 3 years, so KDE3 releases are a little bit outdated 2013
[01:20] <Lex79> it's not a problem since the world will finish in 21/12/2012 lol
[01:21] <neversfelde> rofl
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> Not unless Juliet has ended it next Tuesday :D
[01:23] <Lex79> btw for me the world finish with the last episode of Lost, when I will know the answer of "What lies in the shadow of the statue?"
[01:23] <Lex79> :)
[01:25] <neversfelde> Lex79: I like Lost, too. But it got a little bit confusing. I think I have to watch al episodes again
[01:25] <Lex79> yes, that's help
[01:25] <Lex79> http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_of_the_statue
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> I'll just have to sit down one summer and watch them all
[01:28] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: yes, I will do after the final season :) hope I can buy all seasons in blue ray, but I think it's much cost
[01:29] <Lex79> *much expensive
[01:29] <Lex79> :)
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> my mom bought the DVD for each series each year they came out (she's a fan too)
[01:29] <Lex79> uh great :)
[01:29] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: a blank line after it helps, thanks
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> neat
[01:30] <Lex79> I think  dh build --after dh_auto_test it's for old debhelper
[01:30] <Lex79> but dunno exactly
[01:45] <neversfelde> so I have a working basket 2.0 package. I am going to ask upstream, if they want us to ship the new or the old version, now
[01:45] <nixternal> why do people insist on blaming everyone but themselves for not succeeding? why do people insist on staying inside the Linux/free software/open source bubble? Why? Why? Why?
[01:48] <neversfelde> nixternal: you mean your blog post about Yahoo?
[01:49] <nixternal> not only that, but also stuff from the past...I have been quiet on all of it, piecing it all together
[01:50] <neversfelde> mhh, I agree on 100% regarding your post, I commented that, but it seems to be gone
[01:50] <nixternal> spammer :p
[01:51]  * nixternal checks the filters
[01:51] <neversfelde> hehe
[01:51] <nixternal> ok, it should be there now...you were marked as a spammer
[01:51] <neversfelde> time to sleep gn8
[01:52] <nixternal> g'nite dude
[01:52] <nixternal> or spammer
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> could a core-dev retry the kpackagekit builds please?
[02:04] <jjesse> having fun nixternal?
[02:05] <nixternal> oh yes
[02:05] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: link me sweetheart
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/0.5.4-0ubuntu1 Don't bother with ia64 or sparc yet, the build-deps aren't there.
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> but the new packagekit is published at least on i386, so it should build
[02:07] <nixternal> I want to break choqok over my knee
[02:07] <nixternal> is there a freakin' twitter/identi.ca app that doesn't crash everytime I post something?
[02:08] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: powerpc is good to go?
[02:08] <nixternal> doesn't matter, all but ia64 and sparc have been done :)
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[02:09] <nixternal> ok, I need to eat, I am about to die I think
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> Closing 9 bugs in one upload is satisfying :)
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> not as epic as crimsun's PA upload though
[03:54] <shtylman> Riddell maco: sorry to hear about the chaos. Yea, I know about that bug. Its a long standing one that I have been unable to fix without breaking other things. Hopefully inspiration will come to me one day and I will resolve it... :/
[04:48] <maco> shtylman: the person claims that it works properly in openSUSE and Arch
[04:59] <shtylman> maco: I doubt that cause the same bug is in the bugzilla for go-oo/openoffice
[04:59] <maco> heh alrighty
[04:59] <shtylman> :)
[06:06] <nixternal> fyi, I got ScottK back...i tried to not do threats, but i had no choice...he will be happy that I am allowing him to keep his walker
[06:07] <ScottK> Just so I'll have something to beat you with.
[06:07] <nixternal> to heavy for your old ass to pick up :p
[07:20] <apachelogger> salut mes amis!
[08:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kdeutils all triaged out, fixed a bug in printer-applet on the way
[11:17] <jussi01> o/
[12:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: neato
[12:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the bug was super ludicrous though ;)
[12:04] <apachelogger> KMessageBox.warning()
[12:06]  * JontheEchidna has to look through the bugmail now ;)
[12:09] <ghostcube> o{}o
[12:18] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: have fun with my bug reports from last night :)
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: which one is that?
[12:21] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: bug 513912 Im guessing is the one youll be interested in:
[12:24] <Quintasan> WTF is with those CTCP requests coming from different channels?
[12:24] <jussi01> Quintasan: evilness.. hoping they are fixed with the new ircd tomorrow
[12:26] <Quintasan> How do I request a sync from Debian?
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> with requestsync :P
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> gotta go, no time to not be cheeky
[12:27] <Quintasan> :P
[12:28] <jussi01> !sync | Quintasan
[12:28] <Quintasan> jussi01: nvm, I forgot I'm running karmic :P
[12:29] <ghostcube> Quintasan you can try an +C mode for your nick if single requests or the ops woukld need an +R for this channel but sux a bit
[12:30] <Quintasan> +C does what?
[12:32] <Quintasan> hmm look like I will team up with Johnatan on bug tiriaging
[12:43] <Quintasan> :/
[12:44] <Quintasan> bug #513435 <--- how should I deal with this? file a bug on kde bugzilla or it's probably a problem with our packages?
[12:44] <Quintasan> I am able to reproduce on both Karmic and Lucid 4.3.95 packages
[12:55] <ryanakca> \sh: Offtopic, but, what happened to Leonov?
[12:58] <\sh> ryanakca: it's not dead...I'm lacking time right now for this project...but this will change in the next couple of weeks/months
[12:59] <ryanakca> \sh: ah, ok
[13:00] <\sh> if I had money, I would pay people to do implementations of my software ideas...;)
[13:05] <jussi01> ryanakca: no
[13:05] <jussi01> ryanakca: re -ops
[13:10] <ryanakca> jussi01: ok
[13:17] <ghostcube> Quintasan +C stops direct ctcp to you not through channels
[13:17] <ghostcube> :)
[13:39] <ScottK> Setting CTCP ignore rule on your Quassel also stops it.
[13:40] <seele> txwikinger: ping
[14:00] <Riddell> txwikinger: ping
[14:32] <txwikinger> Riddell: pon
[14:32] <txwikinger> Riddell: pong
[14:32] <txwikinger> seele: pong
[14:52] <genii> Does bugs.kde.org use same login as LP?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> genii: nope
[14:53] <shadeslayer> genii: unfourtunately, bugs.kde.org , techbase and userbase all have different login methods... i have 3 accounts myself :(
[14:55] <ScottK> Put slightly differently, fortunately bugs.kde.org does not use the man-in-the-middle protocol.
[14:55] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[14:56] <shadeslayer> you could say that :)
[14:58]  * ScottK always thought it was odd people liked a protocol which had as it's fundamental design principle a security attack.
[14:59]  * apachelogger is tha uber perl haxx0r
[15:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/karmic-backports/+bug/513329
[15:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :D
[15:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you still have a KDE 3 setup around?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ill brb..
[15:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh and while we are at it https://bugs.launchpad.net/karmic-backports/+bug/513825 :D
[15:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  You shoud have asked last month.  I still had a Dapper box then.
[15:19] <apachelogger> oh well, I suppose I'll just download dapper and vbox it
[15:19] <apachelogger> does one even get that thing for download still :D
[15:20] <Tm_T> apachelogger: 8.04.4 ?
[15:21] <Tm_T> or what it was
[15:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yeah, you'd want Hardy.
[15:21] <apachelogger> Tm_T: 6.06
[15:21] <ScottK> Tm_T: Actually 8.04.2 was the last update for Kubuntu.
[15:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: one could still get dapper from oldreleases.u.c :D
[15:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: First one approved, second one needs more info
[15:22] <Tm_T> ScottK: ah, true, .4 is only Ubuntu
[15:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm not sure if they moved the images or not.
[15:22] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[15:22] <apachelogger> downloading hardy now
[15:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: please backport kmess 2.0.2-1 to karmic as per bug 513329
[15:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks for the quick response :)
[15:43] <dholbach> hiya
[15:43] <dholbach> if seele turns up later on, can somebody tell her to show up in #ubuntu-classroom? thanks :)
[15:44] <ScottK> We can ask.
[15:44] <dholbach> super, thanks
[15:46] <seele> txwikinger: ping
[15:46] <txwikinger> seele: pong
[15:46] <dholbach> hiya seele!
[15:46] <txwikinger> hi dholbach
[15:46] <dholbach> hey txwikinger
[15:46] <seele> dholbach: yo
[15:46] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[15:46] <txwikinger> not very well
[15:46] <dholbach> seele: if you can show up in #ubuntu-classroom I can op you there so you can speak later on
[15:47] <dholbach> txwikinger: still busy with the lawyers and everything?
[15:47] <txwikinger> yes
[15:47] <dholbach> that sucks :-(
[15:47] <dholbach> seele: muchas gracias!
[15:47] <txwikinger> yeah.. in particula because the other site cannot even abide by court orders
[15:47] <dholbach> urgh
[15:47] <seele> dholbach: 3 hours right? want to make sure i get the time zone conversion correct :P
[15:48]  * txwikinger thinks he is on the verge of a heart attack
[15:48] <apachelogger> seele: set your kde clock to alternate between local and UTC upon scrolling :P
[15:48] <seele> apachelogger: i can do that?
[15:48] <apachelogger> sure
[15:48] <dholbach> seele: sounds about right
[15:48] <dholbach> date; date -u   should give you the answer to
[15:48] <apachelogger> right click -> settings -> timeszones -> select utc
[15:49] <apachelogger> then when you scroll on your clock you swtich between local and utc
[15:49] <txwikinger> you can move over it and use the mouse wheel
[15:49] <apachelogger> or any other selected timezone
[15:49] <seele> apachelogger: oooh ho ho sweet
[15:56] <apachelogger> dholbach: you know, in the KDE world we barely pay the terminal a visit :P
[15:57] <dholbach> apachelogger: that explains the quality of packages
[15:57] <dholbach> apachelogger: just kidding ;-)
[15:57] <apachelogger> unless of course there is a terminal widget on the desktop where one can run a make on the Qt source, so one looks super busy ;)
[16:00] <apachelogger> weeh, vbox crash
[16:02] <apachelogger> one of the few things I like about KDE 3: the login sound we had was very smooth
[17:48] <genii> How to show Qt4 version?
[17:50] <Lex79> moc-qt4 -v
[17:50] <nixternal> qmake --version
[17:50] <Lex79> apt-cache policy libqt4-core
[17:50] <nixternal> lol
[17:50] <nixternal> dpkg -l libqt4-dev
[17:50] <nixternal> dpkg -l libqt4\* | grep \^ii
[17:50] <Lex79> others way?
[17:50] <nixternal> ;)
[17:50] <Lex79> lol
[17:50] <genii> Lex79: the apt-cache shows no version installed for -core or -gui
[17:51] <nixternal> qmake --version works well
[17:51] <nixternal> <<< nixternal@ShakaDoobie :: ~ :: 11:49.44 Fri Jan 29 2010
[17:51] <nixternal> >>> [1008] qmake --version
[17:51] <nixternal> QMake version 2.01a
[17:51] <nixternal> Using Qt version 4.6.0 in /usr/lib
[17:51] <genii> Hm. apparently i have no Qt installed
[18:20] <nixternal> i love how i never get these ctcp spams on oftc
[18:20] <ScottK> Almost never get netsplits either.
[18:21] <crimsun> then again, oftc doesn't seem to be as significant a target
[18:21] <ScottK> Could be.
[18:22] <nixternal> crimsun: that is because they are ran a little cleaner...maybe not as big as freenode, but they never have been controlled by people who shouldn't have been in control in the first place
[18:22] <nixternal> this all started in 2005 with lilo and it hasn't gone away since then
[18:23] <crimsun> nixternal: I don't doubt that there is an eighth layer involved, but scalability has always been an issue (even back in my dalnet/undernet/efnet days)
[18:23] <nixternal> efnet, man i used to be a huge troll on there
[18:24] <nixternal> we used to go in and bomb all political channels, all racist channels, all windows channels...it was so fun back then
[18:42] <Quintasan> hiho
[18:44] <daskreech> Hello
[19:13] <maco> i feel like i'm talking to the wall in -classroom
[19:13] <nixternal> you are :)
[19:15] <Quintasan> well, I'm there at least :P
[19:15] <ScottK> Kubuntu?  What is this "K" you spea of?
[19:15] <ScottK> spea/speak
[19:29] <maco> Quintasan: *flailing*
[19:41] <maco> Quintasan: i wish Riddell was online :(
[19:41] <maco> or nixternal
[19:41] <maco> no not him
[19:41] <maco> Nightrose:
[19:41] <Quintasan> :DD
[19:41] <ScottK> maco: If you need me to make up an answer to something, let me know.
[19:53] <Mamarok> maco: btw most of the KDE projects have channels on Freenode, too, so if questions arise in JJ, they can ask in the channels or in #kde-devel
[19:53] <maco> people in #kde-devel will likely direct them to the right place though, i think
[19:53] <Mamarok> I guess so, yes, devel is just sometimes very quite, especially during nighttime in Europe
[19:54] <Mamarok> else #kde is an alternative
[19:56] <Mamarok> also, Qt/C++ allows to do shorter code, the Qt framework is very powerful
[20:00] <maco> heheh
[20:01] <maco> pleia2 is all amused that seele passed it off to me and i got help from Nightrose
[20:01] <maco> someone in -chat asked if women like C++
[20:02] <Nightrose> well i definitely like it more than C
[20:02] <Nightrose> :D
[20:03] <maco> i dont know C++
[20:03] <maco> C is soooo much better with GLib than on its own though
[20:03] <Quintasan> well, time to get that icon bug reported
[20:04] <maco> oh blah. my list of things to learn this weekend is horribly long: algebra, trig, calculus, physics, pykde
[20:04] <Quintasan> @_@
[20:04] <ScottK> Right, rework the sequence
[20:05] <maco> well i'm taking calc-based physics this semester. i learned calculus 5yr ago, trig 6yr ago, and algebra never
[20:05] <maco> and i have to have a slightly working demo of my sign language program by 10 feb, and thats happening in pykde
[20:27] <Quintasan> how do I add link to this same bug tracked in KDE's bugzilla in LP?
[20:27] <Quintasan> I can't find that option :/
[20:28] <ScottK> also affects project
[20:37] <genii> Hm. When apport itself is crashing, what to do?
[20:37] <Quintasan> ScottK: urgh, what I'm supposed to put there? KDE doesn't work and the project search yields http://www.kde.org which doesnt' work too
[20:37] <ScottK> Quintasan: Source pacakge name.
[20:37] <ScottK> If that doesn't work, just feed it the url of the bug.  IIRC there's a spot for that.
[20:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: thanks :)
[20:40] <wind-rider> hi
[20:41] <wind-rider> today or yesterday the soprano-daemon package was changed to recommend the virtuoso-server
[20:41] <wind-rider> this was done to 'fix' https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/505653
[20:42] <wind-rider> but i think it is not fixed by only recommending - it should be made depending because KDE will complain about it until virtuoso is installed
[20:42] <ScottK> Virtuoso is optional for soprano.
[20:43] <ScottK> For KDE 4.4, IIRC, the only KDE component that requires it is kmail.
[20:43] <ScottK> kmail/kdepim
[20:43] <maco> there's a new kmail coming right?
[20:43] <maco> hmm i should upgrade so i can play with it!
[20:43] <wind-rider> ScottK: Strigi also complains about it
[20:43] <maco> wait... hrm... will kdepim lose my calendar and contacts if i upgrade? *suspicious*
[20:44] <wind-rider> ScottK: Nepomuk depends on it
[20:44] <wind-rider> ScottK: and akonadi depends on nepomuk for part of its functionality
[20:44] <ScottK> wind-rider: Yes and the only part of KDE 4.4 that it's needed for is the akonadi/kdepim stuff.
[20:44] <ScottK> Having it required for soprano would be wrong.
[20:45] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: \o
[20:45] <wind-rider> ScottK: no, Strigi requires it too
[20:45] <ScottK> OK.  That's still not soprano
[20:45] <Mamarok> maco: not unlikely, you should export those
[20:45] <wind-rider> ScottK: every time I boot my laptop KDE complains about not having virtuoso
[20:45] <maco> meep!
[20:45] <ScottK> It may be that there should be some other component with a depends relationship, but not soprano.
[20:45] <Lex79> ScottK: soprano is build to depends on virtuoso. Soprano needs virtuoso backend to work
[20:45] <Mamarok> and the kaddressbook in the new KDEpim is a bit... strange
[20:46] <maco> Mamarok: i hope by release time there will be some conversion thingy so it doesnt get lost for everyone who upgrades?
[20:46] <ScottK> Lex79: It does?
[20:46] <wind-rider> ScottK: what would you propose, then?
[20:46] <wind-rider> ScottK: I would say soprano as virtuoso is a backend of soprano
[20:46]  * maco looks for screenshots
[20:46] <ScottK> I would propose Lex79 figure it out since he seems to understand it better than me.
[20:47] <Lex79> ScottK: if virtuoso is recommends, this means is on the CD ?
[20:47] <maco> Mamarok: why does it look like Outlook/Evolution? :( http://userbase.kde.org/File:Kontact_presentation_small.jpg
[20:47] <ScottK> Lex79: Yes.
[20:48] <wind-rider> Lex79, ScottK: why is it only 'recommending' it, then
[20:48] <Mamarok> maco: it always did, long before there was Evolution
[20:48] <Lex79> wind-rider: we need to investigate a bit
[20:48] <ScottK> So it can be removed if you don't want it.
[20:48] <wind-rider> it will only annoy the user if it is not there
[20:48] <Mamarok> maco: and that's how PIM software looks :)
[20:48] <wind-rider> soprano is useless without it
[20:49] <maco> Mamarok: but that calendar now looks much more evolution-y with that sidebar thingy
[20:49]  * ScottK goes out on a limb and predicts it's changeable.
[20:50] <wind-rider> Lex79: what does the choice depend on?
[20:50] <Quintasan> ScottK: hmm my friend is working on liblo and he filled a sync request, synces are made automatically or we have to do it by hand?
[20:50] <Mamarok> maco: there has been a sidebar before
[20:51]  * Quintasan can't find policy on syncing
[20:51] <maco> Mamarok: the bit with the todos and such? i never saw that before...do you mean in the kde3 version or something?
[20:51] <Lex79> wind-rider: maybe it's right that soprano depends on virtuoso, but we need to investigate before, ok?
[20:52] <wind-rider> Lex79: sure
[20:52] <Lex79> wind-rider: we have time to do that :)
[20:52] <Lex79> it's an easy change to do, if it needs
[20:52] <Mamarok> maco: I don't recall exactly, but there was a sidebar, maybe just not in all elements
[20:52] <wind-rider> Lex79: I was only wondering why it was chosen the way it is now - and if looks obvious to have it depending, why not?
[20:52] <Mamarok> remember*
[20:54] <Lex79> wind-rider: that changes is made by Riddell, maybe just forgot to do that
[20:54] <wind-rider> Lex79: ok, i'll add something to the bug report
[20:54] <Lex79> ok thanks
[20:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: urgh nvm, I found something
[21:08] <Quintasan> gosh this is though, can anyone clear something for me? I'm trying to do a sync, I file a bug at Launchpad, I have downloaded the source from Debian Experimental and confirmed it builds in Ubuntu, shall I mark it on LP and subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[21:08] <Quintasan> tough*
[21:16] <Quintasan> DAMN IT
[21:16] <Quintasan> why the hell they had to break heating once again
[21:24] <nixternal> heh, my niece took a pic of me and told me to pose, so I did...I don't smile for pics I don't think and I don't know why
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> could a core-dev sponsor bug 508073?
[21:39]  * ScottK looks
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I also wanted to show you this: http://imagebin.ca/view/fUA_BCW.html
[21:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Nice.  I saw that bugmail yesterday.  Very important improvement.
[21:48] <nixternal> wtf does choqok crash 99.9% of the time after sending an update?
[21:48] <jjesse-netbook> no idea, i use the web pages more and more
[21:48] <jjesse-netbook> as it is a big piece of #%#%
[21:49] <nixternal> yes, yes it is
[21:49] <nixternal> gonna switch to gwibber I think
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> could be qt 4.6 crappiness, if this sort of thing didn't happen in 9.10
[21:50] <nixternal> it happens in everything
[21:50] <nixternal> 9.10, 10.10, 9.04, keep going
[21:50] <nixternal> openSUSE, Fedora, Arch, Debian, and Kubuntu
[21:50] <nixternal> it is like jjesse-netbook said, a big steaming pile of #%#%
[21:51] <nixternal> we got this little box thing right that does TV ratings, so I researched it a bit...blown away by the US' tv ratings
[21:52] <nixternal> Sara "I'm a dumb ass" Palin drew in more people for her debut on Fox News, than the Vikings and the State of the Union did...that is just insane...I want to cheat this box though, and make Playboy #1
[21:52] <neversfelde> a happy Kubuntu user and dev http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube-is-in-ubuntu-repositories :)
[21:53] <jjesse-netbook> i thought playboy was your #1 channel
[21:53] <jjesse-netbook> or skinamax
[21:53] <Quintasan> lol
[22:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: slangasek is going to sponsor it.
[22:22] <Quintasan> ScottK and JontheEchidna: got a second?
[22:26] <Sput> hmmm, my chokoq works fine
[22:26] <maco> swap your q and k
[22:26] <Sput> yeah, I tend to misspell that
[22:26] <maco> choqok works fine for me, mostly
[22:26] <maco> it crashes maybe once every couple days
[22:26] <Sput> anyway, I'm using development versions of everything, so whatever was buggy, it seems to be fixed meanwhile :)
[22:27] <maco> which is about how often quassel crashes...
[22:31] <Quintasan> urgh
[22:31] <Quintasan> ScottK, JontheEchidna or maco: mind checking http://pastebin.com/f523a1621 for any errors?
[22:32] <maco> Quintasan: did you intentionally lose all that documentation?
[22:33] <Quintasan> maco: it's a diff from debian probably
[22:33] <Quintasan> grr
[22:33] <Quintasan> this is giving me a headache
[22:33] <Quintasan> yes
[22:34] <Quintasan> this doc/ is dropped in debian and doc/html comes instead
[22:35] <maco> ok
[22:35] <maco> yeah reading merge diffs is like *stabby*
[22:35] <maco> sure, ooks fine to me
[22:35] <maco> *looks
[22:36] <maco> does it build? ;-)
[22:36] <crimsun> oh no, not /that/ package
[22:36] <crimsun> upstream already has official python bindings
[22:37] <crimsun> also, if the debdiff corrects the capitalisation of "API", why doesn't it correct the semantics in the summary? It's "Python bindings for ALSA".
[22:37] <maco> so youre saying "package unnecessary! EXTERMINATE!" ?
[22:37] <crimsun> it needs to die already, yes.
[22:37] <maco> (it's "be exterminated" not "die" where's the dalek in you?)
[22:37] <crimsun> no, I don't care to actively exterminate it
[22:38] <crimsun> I just want it to go away.  Big difference.
[22:38] <maco> into the void?
[22:39] <Quintasan> urgh
[22:39] <Quintasan> what the hell I'm doing
[22:39] <Quintasan> crimsun: mind clearing this? I don't know how to exacly deal with it
[22:40] <ari-tczew> so pyalsaaudio have to remove from archive?
[22:41] <Quintasan> crimsun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyalsaaudio/+bug/514453
[22:41] <Quintasan> crimsun: shall I mark it as invalid and file a archive removal request?
[22:43] <crimsun> Quintasan: no, you shouldn't file such a request. It's legitimate FOSS, but my opinion (and upstream's) is that it is deprecated in favor of the official bindings.
[22:44] <Quintasan> crimsun: anything against updating it?
[22:44]  * Quintasan is seriously confused now
[22:46] <Riddell> maco: how was the talk?
[22:47] <crimsun> Quintasan: I have absolutely nothing against updating it as an Ubuntu maintainer.
[22:47] <crimsun> Quintasan: from an upstream developer point of view, I don't like it.
[22:48] <Quintasan> crimsun: okay, but I think you should consider asking for removal if it's deprecated
[22:48] <crimsun> Quintasan: I'll look at the bug report in 20 minutes, but I don't plan to merge it myself unless you're specifically requesting that I do so.
[22:49] <Quintasan> crimsun: well I'm not going to impose any work on you
[23:33] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: mail sent
[23:50] <Riddell> what a mess
[23:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can only agree