chrisccoulsonpitti - i've implemented the AutostartDelay support in gnome-session already :)00:35
chrisccoulsoni couldn't resist00:35
chrisccoulsonvuntz, that was a quick response ;)01:12
chrisccoulsoni didn't expect anybody to be around01:13
LLStarksi'd like to report a playback regression associated with today's gstreamer updates.01:53
ubottuUbuntu bug 502492 in totem "Totem cannot open Matroska files that hold ASS subtitles" [Undecided,Invalid]01:53
LLStarksthis is something that i've been observing through git over the past few weeks.01:53
LLStarkspreviously, matroska files would open fine save for improperly formatted subtitles.01:54
pittiGood morning06:07
didrocksgood morning pitti07:55
didrockshow are you?07:56
pittihey didrocks; I'm great, thanks!07:58
pittigot up at 707:58
pittiand hammered on my mailbox to have a clean slate07:58
pitti=ubuntu [Msgs:0]07:58
didrockspitti: battery icon not showing up when on battery and forcing icon show an obviously wrong value of 100% load. Known issue?08:02
pittihm, not to me08:03
didrocksoh, this morning reboot fixed it08:03
didrocksbut I had to unplug/plug again08:03
didrockswell, let's see if I can reproduce it later08:04
baptistemmgood morning08:17
* baptistemm did an install with alpha 2 cd yesterday on its new ssd08:18
didrockshey baptistemm08:18
baptistemmhey didrocks08:18
baptistemmthe install process is really beautiful08:18
didrocksbaptistemm: you didn't install karmic?08:18
didrocks(I didn't notice difference between karmic and alpha2 one)08:18
didrocksoh ok :)08:18
didrocksright, slideshow is really great08:18
baptistemmdidrocks, I didn't have installed ubuntu since 2 years08:19
baptistemmI do only distupgrade08:19
baptistemm(I only have one computer)08:19
didrockscome in our French ubuntu party to give an hand, you'll install lot of time :)08:19
baptistemmso now I have grub2 & ext4 :)08:19
baptistemmssd is fantastic, booting in a few seconds is awesome :)08:20
didrocksheh, new world of technology :)08:20
didrockshum, I don't have the chance to use ssd yet08:20
baptistemmyeah, HD was the bottleneck before, no more with SSD08:20
pittididrocks: don't you have an SSD mini 10?08:25
didrockspitti: no, you took it. Mine is HD08:25
* pitti feels guilty08:25
didrockspitti: you'll find a better way to optimize it than me08:26
didrocksso, don't feel guilty ;)08:26
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:42
didrockshey chrisccoulson08:42
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks, how are you?08:42
didrockschrisccoulson: good, preparing the sprint and enjoying Friday of mostly paperwork :)08:43
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm good thanks. i'm preparing for the weekend instead though ;)08:43
pittihey chrisccoulson08:44
chrisccoulsonhey pitti08:44
pittichrisccoulson: you rock08:44
chrisccoulsondid you get my message last night?08:44
pittichrisccoulson: I did; just didn't see a patch (it's not in bzr yet apparently)08:44
pittidaily chart08:45
chrisccoulsonpitti - the patch is on gnome bug 608402, although it has a couple of comments from vuntz08:45
ubottuGnome bug 608402 in general "Add support for delaying autostart applications" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60840208:45
chrisccoulsonexcellent - that looks good08:45
chrisccoulsoni might try and investigate that unexplained delay at the start of the session later08:46
pittichrisccoulson: ah, so you actually start them from a timer, instead of adding a sleep between the fork() and the exec()08:48
pittithat looks pretty nice08:48
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, i wanted to try and avoid creating a whole new process until necessary08:48
didrockschrisccoulson: how does this work with applications waiting for all soft in Applications phased to finish? (like the mouse cursor, xsplash…)08:54
chrisccoulsondidrocks - it has no effect. gnome-session will emit the session running signal as soon as all non-delayed applications have started08:54
didrocksoh perfect :)08:55
chrisccoulsonit works the same way as the conditionally autostarted applications08:55
didrocksright, gnome-session doesn't wait any signal from delayed started application08:55
didrocksgood ;)08:56
chrisccoulsondidrocks - are you using the session running signal then?08:57
didrockschrisccoulson: no, it was just coming into my head in case of xsplash comes back08:57
chrisccoulsondidrocks - yeah, this has been discussed before. the session running signal isn't an accurate indicator of when the session is ready, as it will be emitted once all applications in the last phase have connected to the session manager08:58
chrisccoulsonand for most applications, that happens fairly quickly08:59
chrisccoulsonbefore anything is drawn08:59
chrisccoulsondidrocks - http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2009-August/msg00079.html09:00
seb128hey chrisccoulson09:00
seb128what are you discussing?09:00
chrisccoulsonmy mail only got a single comment, but it was a positive one09:00
didrockschrisccoulson: thanks09:01
chrisccoulsonhey seb128 - we were just discussing the usefulness of the session running signal09:01
didrockshey seb12809:01
seb128hey didrocks09:02
seb128chrisccoulson, usefulness or the fact that it's wrongly emited?09:02
seb128ie that it should be sent after being done with the screen rendering?09:02
pittihey seb12809:03
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i was just pointing out that it is emitted once all clients have registered, which isn't necessarily when things have drawn on screen09:03
seb128pitti, hey09:03
seb128how are you?09:03
seb128wb pitti09:17
seb128pitti, did you read my comment about making the fn key work without modifier yesterday?09:18
baptistemmWould you be instered by bootchart with a ssd on a lucid install ?09:22
baptistemmin order to have a view on another ssd.09:22
pittiseb128: sorry, had some IRC trouble09:24
pittiseb128: don't think so, no?09:24
seb128pitti, not sure if you are annoyed by the fn keys being multimedia by default too09:24
pittiseb128: I changed that in the bios09:24
seb128pitti, rickspencer pointed you can change that in the bios09:24
seb128I didn't look into bios options before rick pointed it09:25
seb128there is nothing useful usually in bioses nowadays09:25
seb128out of setting boot order09:25
didrocksseb128, pitti: I've tried to think a little about some caching policy we can use for wallpapers (2 proposals), if you can think about more, don't hesitate: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60841909:28
ubottuGnome bug 608419 in libgnome-desktop "Caching wallpaper resize to avoid some CPU cycle at startup" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]09:28
pittididrocks: I'll answer in the bug report09:31
didrockspitti: thanks :)09:32
seb128didrocks, g-s-d has cleaning code you could use btw09:33
seb128it clean thumbnails etc09:33
didrocksseb128: I think the code can be easy to do, but it can be interested to see how they do it in g-s-d. I just wait for upstream to define the strategy together first.09:35
didrocksseb128: thanks :)09:35
didrockshey huats09:35
pittididrocks: done09:36
seb128chrisccoulson, I think you broke g-s-d media key09:38
seb128chrisccoulson, it has symbol not found errors on libnotify symbols09:38
seb128I guess the makefile change didn't work for a reason09:38
seb128or I messed up the upgrade09:39
chrisccoulsonseb128 - oh, that worked when i tested it09:39
seb128I will check that09:39
didrockspitti: I'm trying to think about the policy to keep only one wallpaper cache. Not that easy in fact (as we have to store the wallpaper name, the resolution and the transformation used)09:40
pittididrocks: if it's in a directory anyway, just remove the one file?09:41
asacwhat does packagekit use xulrunner for?09:41
pittididrocks: or use a symlink or separate .info file?09:41
didrockspitti: if we just copy one, we can remove the directory I guess09:42
didrockspitti: I was thinking about a separate .info file, but a symlink is good as well :)09:42
pitti.info is more portable though09:43
pitti(not sure how much this stuff needs to work on windows, etc.)09:43
glatzorhello asac, there's a firefox plugin09:44
didrockspitti: right, let's see what upstreams say first09:44
pittihave an appointment now, bbl09:45
glatzorasac,     <object type="application/x-packagekit-plugin" width="300" height="150">09:45
glatzor      <!-- Name that will be used in the user interface -->09:45
glatzor      <param name="displayname" value="GNU Backgammon"/>09:45
glatzor      <!-- Whitespace separated list of package names -->09:45
glatzor      <param name="packagenames" value="gnubg"/>09:45
glatzor    </object>09:45
glatzorasac, this allows you to install an application from your browser09:45
asacglatzor: can we kill that?09:45
asachave to check the code how trivial that is09:46
glatzorasac, AFAIK there isn't any real use case09:46
asacwe will see if it "just works (TM)" to port to 1.9.209:47
baptistemmagainst which component I should fill a bug for a problem with the lucid installer09:48
baptistemmis it casper?09:48
didrocksbaptistemm: ubiquity?09:53
* didrocks grrr at rhythmbox being a pain using upnp09:53
chrisccoulsonseb128 - did you figure out what is wrong with gsd?09:53
seb128chrisccoulson, not yet, I was looking at something else09:53
seb128dholbach pointed it to me09:53
seb128and I noticed I've the issue too09:54
seb128** (gnome-settings-daemon:1956): WARNING **: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libkeybindings.so: undefined symbol: notify_notification_show09:54
seb128I don't use those keys often so I didn't notice09:54
seb128** (gnome-settings-daemon:1956): WARNING **: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libmedia-keys.so: undefined symbol: notify_notification_show09:54
seb128I'm wondering if that's an --as-needed issue09:55
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, found it10:09
chrisccoulsonah, what was it in the end?10:09
seb128chrisccoulson, it's a but in your change10:09
seb128chrisccoulson, you add LIBNOTIFY_LDFLAGS use10:09
seb128and configure.ac uses _LIB10:09
seb128and not _LDFLAGS10:09
chrisccoulsonthanks ;)10:10
seb128np ;-)10:10
seb128login speed is depressing some days10:17
seb128still around 9 seconds login there10:17
seb128with yesterday's gconf changes, etc10:18
seb128tseliot, hey, could you look to bug #509724?10:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 509724 in gnome-settings-daemon "Disabling tap to click doesn't disable tap to click in scrollarea" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50972410:36
* tseliot has a look10:36
tseliotseb128: if I disable corner tapping, people are going to be pretty angry (and they already are)10:39
seb128what does corner tapping do?10:39
tseliotseb128: there was a patch for the UI to allow users to change the settings of corner tapping10:40
tseliotwhen you tap on the top right or bottom right corner you get a right click10:40
tseliot(just an example)10:40
seb128doesn't seem to work on my mini10:41
seb128in any case the user doesn't suggest to disable that10:42
seb128just to disable it when tap to click is disabled10:42
tseliotoh, I see10:43
seb128I'm about to do a g-s-d upload10:44
seb128what do you think about the change? should we use it?10:44
tseliotseb128: I'm reading the patch10:46
tseliotseb128: data[1] = (state) ? 3 : 0; should be enough10:48
tseliotas we don't enable middle clicks any more10:48
tseliotwhich means that you can discard data[0] = (state) ? 2 : 0;10:49
seb128you agree with doing the data[1] = (state) ? 3 : 0 change then?10:49
tseliotyes, it makes sense to me10:49
seb128tseliot, thanks10:50
chrisccoulsonvuntz - you there?11:49
vuntzchrisccoulson: hmm?11:52
chrisccoulsonvuntz - thanks for reviewing my patch11:53
chrisccoulsonvuntz - i was just having a look at the comments. the reason i check gsm_app_is_running before calling gsm_app_stop in gsm-manager, is because gsm_app_stop sets a GError if the application isn't running, which is then printed as a warning in gsm-manager. i wanted to avoid the warning in the case where the autostart condition goes from enabled -> disabled before the autostart delay has timed out, and the application hasn't been 11:55
vuntzchrisccoulson: ok11:56
vuntzchrisccoulson: on the other hand, if you use the _start_app code as I suggested, you wouldn't connect to the signal condition-changed early, so it'd be a non-existing case11:57
chrisccoulsonvuntz - ok, i'll have another look at that11:59
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chrisccoulsonhey pitti12:28
asacpitti: do you know what the equivalent of postpone for bugs is wrt to blueprints and WI?12:29
asacjust unlinking the bugs? or set wont fix for lucid?12:29
asac(can we keep the non-lucid target open)?12:29
pittiasac: drop entirely? yes, unlink it12:29
pittilucid/wontfix could also work, I'm not sure12:30
asachmm. let me try that first12:30
asacwould better reflect that thats a postpone12:30
pittiasac: right, reading the code now12:30
pittiwontfix == postponed12:30
asacpitti: and does it work to only set lucid to postponed?12:30
asacok trying that ... setting wontfix to lucid and milestoning the main task as "later"12:32
pittiasac: right, that should work12:34
asacdid that ... we will see on next run i guess12:35
pittiRiddell: can you please update the Kubuntu bits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ?13:01
seb128pitti, hey13:11
seb128pitti, bug #514281 might be due to your changes13:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 514281 in gnome-control-center "kkeeyyss aacctt ffuunnnnyy aafftteerr uuppggrraaddee" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51428113:11
seb128pitti, seems the gconf keys for those have no value13:12
seb128pitti, I'm wondering if that's due to the gconf change you did13:12
pittiseb128: my first suspicion is ...13:12
pittimvo: wrt above bug, can you check your .xsession-errors for13:12
pitti** (gnome-settings-daemon:2113): WARNING **: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libmedia-keys.so: undefined symbol: notify_notification_show13:12
seb128ogra and mvo did start to getit today13:12
seb128pitti, no, I made mvo installed my fixed g-s-d13:12
pittithis broke _everyone_'s hotkeys and keyboard settings13:12
pittiseb128: ok, will ask in the bug then13:13
seb128and that would not explain empty values13:13
pittiseb128: ah, there's a fixed g-s-d?13:13
seb128pitti, yes I uploaded before lunch13:13
seb128de rien13:13
mvopitti: I just installed the fixed g-s-d, it did not help13:14
mvo /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/rate is also set to "no value" for me13:14
seb128it's weird that gconf-editor has "no value"13:14
mvoand on my karmic system it has meaningful values13:14
seb128whatever g-s-d does they should get a value13:14
seb128the value could be "0"13:14
seb128but I don't see how the symbol issue could lead to have vanishing key13:15
mvono idea, but got broken during the upgrade13:15
seb128well as said I think it's due to pitti's gconf stripping13:15
mvobut when I "unset" the key it vanishes13:15
pittimvo: I'll collect some ideas and ask in the bug13:15
seb128pitti, the g-s-d bug is there for a week and people started reporting the keyboard issue otday13:15
pittiok, then I blame me13:15
seb128pitti, the schemas is in libgnome13:19
pittiok, bug retitled, assigned to me and moved to gconf13:22
seb128pitti, mvo: iz gconf bug13:22
seb128pitti, I did dpkg -i *.deb on my previous gconf local build13:22
pittiso if you see similar things, please dupe to that one13:22
seb128and I get defaults values again13:22
pittiseb128: yes, clearly13:22
pittiI get it here, too13:22
seb128pitti, ok will do13:23
pittisorry about that13:23
* seb128 hugs pitti13:23
seb128that's ok13:23
seb128that's one of the reason I'm reluctant to do such changes to gconf13:23
seb128it's early in the cycle so we can break things still13:23
mvopitti: ohhh, you removed my summary? I liked it :)13:23
pittimvo: for me it's the other way around; I lost key repeat completely13:23
* vish hehe , imagined mvo shivering ;p [bug summary]13:27
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chrisccoulsonpitti - did you break gconf? ;)13:31
seb128it's weird, after downgrading and upgrading again it's working13:32
pittiperhaps it didn't like dropping the mtime13:33
pittiworking fine now13:33
seb128pitti, btw it seems your une lacks a clock applet in the config13:35
pittiit's not just "my" UNE13:35
seb128well your charts13:35
seb128if you start the gnome session once it will be there13:35
seb128gnome-panel fails to register it under une13:36
pittishouldn't that be in the default settings somewhere?13:36
seb128I think that's due to the mandatory config13:36
seb128on first run default config is register as user config13:36
seb128I think the mandatory values from une break that for the clock in some way13:36
seb128I mentioned it to didrocks before13:36
seb128I was trying to figure why your charts are slighter faster than mines13:37
seb128that's one of the differences13:37
pittihow much difference does it make? clock loads evo and all that, so I guess it's quite heavy?13:38
didrocksstrange that I still have it, I have to retry from a vanilla karmic UNR13:38
pittiseb128: I also have compiz and tomboy purged, but I think that's about it13:38
seb128didrocks, I get the issue every time I remove .gconf to reset my settings13:38
seb128pitti, 0.5 seconds13:39
seb128pitti, well atm 1 seconds but that's because you don't get nm-applet cpu use for some reason13:39
seb128which I do there13:39
didrocksseb128: oh right, before logging into the desktop session which recreate it13:40
didrocksand then, you got it into your UNE session, right?13:40
seb128didrocks, right13:40
seb128didrocks, but pitti never logged in the gnome session and is doing charts without it13:41
seb128not a real issue I was just pointing it13:41
seb128it makes boot slightly quicker13:41
* pitti goes to pack stuff for the sprint13:44
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seb128chrisccoulson, wb14:48
seb128chrisccoulson, so it's weekend time for you? ;-)14:48
chrisccoulsonhey seb12814:48
chrisccoulsonyeah, weekend time now :)14:48
chrisccoulsonalthough, i plan to do a bit of ubuntu stuff this afternoon14:49
seb128is your little girl feeling better btw? you said she was sick the other night?14:49
chrisccoulsonyeah, she's a bit better now thanks14:49
seb128good ;-)14:50
chrisccoulsonseb128 - do you have any plans for the weekend?14:52
chrisccoulsonyou'll be travelling won't you?14:52
seb128yeah, plan is to not sleep this night14:54
seb128ie I get up at 5am tomorrow to catch the plane and I don't manage to sleep before 1am usually...14:54
seb128so short night14:54
seb128and I'm travelling tomorrow for the day so14:54
seb128and we will see on sunday what happens in the other side of the world...14:55
didrocksseb128: when do you arrive at Portland?14:55
seb128didrocks, 12:2014:55
seb128saturday local time14:55
chrisccoulsonsounds like a busy weekend ;)14:55
didrocks4pm, saturday too14:55
seb128chrisccoulson, yeah, but not busy in the best way you can imagine for a weekend :-)14:56
seb128chrisccoulson, do you have any plan for this weekend?14:56
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i shall be relaxing this weekend, after spending most of last saturday driving around14:57
seb128relaxing sounds good ;-)14:57
chrisccoulsonheh, one of my cats has climbed right to the top of the tree in the garden14:58
seb128climbing is the easy part for them usually14:59
seb128let's see how the going down is going ;-)14:59
chrisccoulsonyeah, normally they fall back down again ;)14:59
chrisccoulsonthey tend to slip and then swing from the branches with their front paws14:59
chrisccoulsonthen fall down ;)15:00
chrisccoulsoni should get the camcorder out15:00
seb128chrisccoulson, btw you can do gnome-screensaver update if you want, you don't need to though15:09
seb128ie just pointing I'm not going to do it this week15:09
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i can look at that over the weekend15:10
seb128so if you want to do it feel free to grab it ;-)15:10
chrisccoulsoni can actually upload gnome-screensaver :)15:10
seb128one thing which is working ;-)15:10
seb128ok, I'm out for some erands before travelling tomorrow and packaging too...15:17
seb128I will be back later though15:17
pittiseb128: safe travels!15:17
pittisee you tomorrow then15:17
seb128see you later, or this weekend for those who stop early15:17
seb128pitti, I arrive tomorrow around midday there15:17
seb128so I guess we will meet in the afternoon15:17
seb128safe travels too15:18
pittiplane lands at 14:3315:18
chrisccoulsonhmmm, note to self - don't try to sign e-mails with large attachments in evolution15:18
chrisccoulsonvuntz - i'm going to work on fixing that gnome-session patch this afternoon15:23
chrisccoulsonwhat do you want me to do about the libegg part of it? i've committed the change to libegg now - do you just want to sync gnome-session's local copy of this15:24
vuntzchrisccoulson: yep, sinc15:28
vuntzerr, sync15:28
chrisccoulsonvuntz - do you want me to do the sync now (as a separate commit), or do you want to do the sync?15:36
chrisccoulsonalso, i assume we just sync the whole of the libegg/smclient folder in to gnome-session?15:37
chrisccoulson(there's new files in there now)15:37
vuntzchrisccoulson: we'll do the sync when needed (ie, when pushing your patch, I guess)15:39
vuntzchrisccoulson: and no, we don't care about some files, so it's just what we have already15:39
chrisccoulsonvuntz - ok, thanks15:40
chrisccoulsoni'll work on fixing the patch now:)15:40
mvopitti: ah, keyboard is fine again, thanks for the fix15:45
* mvo goes back to packging 15:45
didrocksgrrr, tomboy don't want to synchronize my notes16:52
didrocksupstream rejected my patch for not showing the ws switcher if only one ws is visible (they just don't want that feature): https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60696617:01
ubottuGnome bug 606966 in general "workspace switcher widget shouldn't appear if there is only one workspace" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]17:01
pittihm, I don't quite follow the rationale17:03
* pitti follows up17:03
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didrocksreally, if you test with one ws, the ws switcher showing is really bad17:05
pittiit should not even bind the key if you only have one WS17:05
al-maisanHello there! I am running lucid alpha2 now and it's very nice :)17:22
al-maisanOne problem: I cannot get it to give me more than 2 virtual desktops17:22
al-maisanunder gnome17:22
al-maisanIs that a known issue?17:23
pittihm, I'm happily using 4 here17:23
al-maisansorry, "workspaces" is the word I've been looking for17:23
al-maisanpitti: just tried it and it worked for me as well, thanks!17:24
pittial-maisan: I thought it wouldn't work for you?17:24
al-maisanpitti: it did not17:24
al-maisanwhen I tried to change 2->4 in the workspace switcher preferences it crashed17:25
al-maisanbut I gave it another whirl after your comment and it just worked17:25
* al-maisan shrugs17:25
al-maisanpitti: the last remaining gotcha: I defined a keyboard shortcut for "Toggle whether window is on all workspaces or just one" (Ctrl+Alt+A) but when I use it, it has no effect17:28
pittiasac: did that just started to happen today?17:29
pittierm, al-maisan:17:29
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al-maisanit may be conflicting with compiz somehow..?17:29
pittial-maisan: if you dist-upgraded today, please do it again; yesterday I uploaded a bad gconf, fixed today17:29
al-maisanpitti: I only installed lucid today :P17:29
pittial-maisan: do you have gconf2 2.28.0-1ubuntu3 ?17:29
* al-maisan checks17:30
al-maisanpitti: yes, 2.28.0-1ubuntu317:30
pittial-maisan: right, that's busted; please upgrade to 4, restart session, and you should be happy again17:30
al-maisanpitti: great :) thanks!17:31
* al-maisan does the logout/login dance17:35
didrockspitti: it seems you nore more provide ubuntu desktop team WI report (I can't see mine which are related to Quickly)17:37
didrockssomething like "ubuntu-desktop" WI17:37
pittididrocks: how do you mean?17:38
pittididrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team.html#didrocks17:38
pittiall there17:38
didrockspitti: oh, I was thinking they were separed into another one, as it's not directly related to my canonical job, but well :)17:39
didrocksthanks pitti, I can try gtg WI importer17:39
pittididrocks: it's a spec targetted to lucid17:39
didrocksok, fine17:39
pittididrocks: you can also use all.html to get the entire ubuntu WI list17:40
pitti(not just the ones relevant to desktop)17:40
didrocksright, and import from there. Thanks!17:40
pittibye everyone!18:05
crimsunfrom pm-utils, is it possible to know the UID of the user who initiated a suspend-to-* ?18:30
dobeyhrmm, how do i fix debian/rules to run 'make check' with cdbs?19:09
asacanyone mono expert here?19:23
vishawe_: hi... hmm i didnt understand your comment :(  ... are you saying that the menu can be re-designed after user testing?  [anyways , i was just responding to danw upstream comments :)  ]20:07
vish danw's upstream comment*20:07
awe_vish, well, I don't understand your comment...20:08
awe_seems like all the pertinent info is already in the bug20:08
awe_people are complaining that the adhoc icon is meaningless and needs to be removed20:08
awe_asac states that's a potential security violation20:08
vishawe_: i know the info..[i was part of the discussion] I felt Dan wanted someone from the design team to comment upstream as well20:09
asacawe_: check with dcbw on the sense and non-sense of that.20:09
asaci think the idea is to show that that AP usually doesnt give you internet access20:09
awe_although it could20:09
asacit could20:09
asacbut most times you see that its not20:09
asaci regularly see printers etc.20:09
awe_so the bug is left open until someone does user testing.... which hasn't happened yet20:10
awe_so vish, nobody's commented because the user testing hasn't happened or been scheduled20:10
vishi guess ...20:10
vishawe_: anyway , it was part of the nm hugdat list , since i knew the bug  , i sent it upstream :)20:11
awe_vish, ok thanks...20:13
vishawe_: so, you are taking care of nm this cycle ?20:14
* vish me used to ask asac nm related doubts last cycle ;)20:14
asacthere isnt much planned for this cycle wrt nm20:15
asacbasically a stable 0.8 ...20:15
asacand more stabilization20:15
asacsomeone might want to work on the Auth eth0 labelling bug ;)20:16
awe_vish, in my spare cycles20:16
vishasac: you've been pawning that one off for a long time  ;p20:17
vishasac: but seems dan wants to address the notifications and the naming in the connection editor simultaneously20:17
baptistemmfor those interested with boot time on ssd with lucid: http://bmm80.free.fr/GNOME/shots/oak-lucid-20100129-1.png21:16
* dobey wants to get rid of boot time21:26
* bryceh leaves dobey's computer on all the time and solves his problem21:26
dobeybryceh: i pretty much do leave my computer on all the time, unless i *have* to reboot it21:27
dobeylike, i install enough updates that pulseaudio finally breaks21:27
dobeybut that's not what i meant by getting rid of boot time21:27
baptistemmdobey, with a ssd you almost get ride of boot time :)21:30
dobeybaptistemm: no you don't21:31
dobeyand i wish people would stop counting "boot time" as "only the time it takes once grub actually tells the kernel to initialize"21:31
JanCdobey: you also wish we could get rid of the BIOS?  ;)22:22
crimsundobey: what sort of updates?22:24
dobeyJanC: yes22:25
dobeycrimsun: hrmm?22:26
crimsun16:27 < dobey> like, i install enough updates that pulseaudio finally breaks22:26
dobeycrimsun: i don't know. i just know stuff breaks, and i have to either restart completely, if not just restart some apps, to resolve sudden breakage22:26
dobeycrimsun: sometimes kernel, sometimes pulseaudio updates i guess22:27
dobeyof course, ono my laptop, pulseaudio wants to keep the sound muted :-/22:27
crimsundobey: under lucid?22:27
dobeycrimsun: under karmic. i just updated my laptop to lucid yesterday so haven't used lucid a whole lot yet22:28
dobeyi need to fix the video on it though22:28
dobeygrmbl grmbl intel22:28
crimsunI already fixed the mute issues in lucid22:28
dobeyok, then maybe it's ok with lucid22:28
crimsundobey: please look at amixer state prior to logging in via gdm and after logging in to GNOME22:29
dobeythough the machine i care about it on is still running karmic22:29
dobeyi need to get away from the computer now22:29
crimsunI can't fix bugs I don't have good bug reports for22:29

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