=== IdleOne_ is now known as IdleOne [01:10] pleia2: what's that website you use to choose dates and time for meetings? [01:10] doodle.com [01:12] pleia2: I can't figure out how to use the website [01:13] hang on, on a call [01:14] sos [02:10] pleia2: [02:13] doctormo: you there? [02:17] * pleia2 on marathon conference call [02:19] pleia2: -- when off just hollar [02:22] will do :) [02:28] cprofitt: yes [02:28] hey doctormo I am looking for a suggestion [02:28] which course, of yours, would transfer well to Moodle? [02:29] cprofitt: The command line basics or the computer hardware would go well. [02:29] do you have links so I can check them out? [02:33] Ubuntu Wiki [02:33] Search: [02:33] * Logged in as doctormo [02:33] * Log Out [02:33] * Ubuntu [02:33] * Community [02:33] * Support [02:33] * Partners [02:33] * Wiki [02:34] * Planet [02:34] * Ubuntu Team Wiki [02:34] * Lernid/Session Leaders [02:34] * humphreybc [02:34] * Marketing [02:34] ? [02:34] * SystemAdminTopics [02:34] * User Preferences [02:34] * Find Page [02:34] * Edit [02:34] * Comments [02:34] * Info [02:34] * Subscribe [02:34] * Add Link [02:34] * Attachments [02:34] * [02:34] * Learning/SystemAdminTopics [02:34] systems-admin.png [02:34] damn sorry [02:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics [02:34] I tried to paste a link and instead it pasted the entire header of the page [02:35] http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/ubuntu-system-admin-class-command-line-basics/ [02:35] is that one? [02:35] yep [02:35] ans the "local computer" one [02:36] I am putting the local computer one into bzr [02:36] then I think moodle [02:36] ok... I will take a look at the command line then [02:36] pleia2: great [02:37] ran the script to create the structure in bzr last night, started filling in the easy bits to my branch [02:58] pleia2: That's fantastic, let me know how you get on. [03:12] ok, finally off the phone! [03:39] I'm writing a CourseAssignment page to describe how people select courses for assignment [03:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseAssignment [03:55] now hopefully I won't need to explain it again :) [13:31] pleia2: Your a command line goddess right? I need to somehow check if a PROJECTS= exists in /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults and then add a line to it if it doesn't. [13:32] I'd just use grep [13:32] then perl [13:32] pleia2: Doesn't it require the use of a bash if statement? [13:32] yeah [13:32] doc -- what development environment do you use? [13:33] I'll be honest, I'm not very good with bash if statements [13:33] cprofitt: gnome-terminal + vim [13:33] doctormo: I'm on the phone with a client, give me 10min and I'll have something for you :) [13:33] so how do you make your GUI elements? [13:43] doctormo: how do you make your GUI elements? [13:43] doctormo: [13:43] if ! grep -q '^PROJECTS=' /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults; then echo 'PROJECTS=blahblah' >> /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults [13:43] fi [13:44] I'd do a line break between "then" and "echo" [13:44] silly irssi paste [13:44] so - if a line starting with "PROJECTS=" doesn't exist, it appends a "PROJECTS=blahblah" line to the end of the file [13:49] Wow it's laundry mountin time today. [13:49] Thanks pleia2! [13:49] sure thing [13:49] cprofitt: Oh I use glade-3 with gtkBuilder [13:50] thanks... I finally trying to get started with programming [13:50] but figuring out which tools I want to use has been frustrating [13:51] it is not as 'easy' as using Visual Studio ... though I suspect when I finally get everything set I will be more rewarded (personal) [13:52] cprofitt: I've used Vidual Studio, so I can give you a comparison, I've also used Eclipse. [13:52] a comparison would be great. [13:52] Eclipse seemed FUBAR in Ubuntu [13:52] unless I wanted to do Java [13:54] Eclipse has no maintainer in Ubuntu, so yes, fairly craptastic, it's also slow, buggy and not designed for python, perl or C [13:54] Although I did manage to get the python and bzr plugins working [13:54] Visual Studio is a fairly good all contained system, but it seemed to block or naturally make invisible external functionality. [13:55] It also sets a fairly strict path that leads to windows only results, so people develing in VS end up with windows only applications. [13:55] Even if they program in C or iron python. [13:56] What you might be interested in, is Quickly, it's about getting all the tools together to start a project the right way and then lets you develop it how ever you want. [13:56] Best practices, but not forcing you into things. [14:06] Yeah... that would help [14:06] I am planning to learn Python, Lisp (J) and C [14:06] so getting up to speed on how to create a GUI and then connect code to it would be a big help [14:06] MS Visual Studio obsfucates that process [14:08] Quickly is definitely something to look into then === doctormo_ is now known as doctormo [17:02] pleia2, poke :) [17:02] pleia2, did you hear about nigel ? [17:02] paultag: morning [17:03] paultag: poky [17:03] 's idea* [17:03] pleia2, Morning! [17:03] Hey there doctormo [17:03] paultag: classroom stuff? [17:03] paultag: I didn't, tell me [17:03] pleia2, aye, Python + -dev [17:03] doctormo, nigel wanted to start a python series from the dev team [17:03] paultag: yeah it's great, feel free to pick any time, as I told nigel this morning the only thing we have on the schdeule at the moment is the motu things on thursdays https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training [17:03] and he asked me to talk with you pleia2 about scheduling it [17:04] pleia2, Cool. I'll get some members to prepare, then we can work a few in [17:04] great :) [17:04] is ubuntu-desktop still recommended to be installed when upgrading to newer version of Ubuntu? I remember it used to cause issues if not installed [17:04] doctormo, I watched your video demo, I mentioned it the other day. Looks rad [17:08] paultag: It's good all the positive responses it's gotten, I'm glad people can see it being useful outside of this project. [17:09] doctormo, aye [17:13] paultag: also, you're welcome to join us over in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage where we're doing all the -classroom planning [17:14] since, you know, you're not in enough channels already [17:17] hahaha [17:17] I've been maxing out lately [17:18] woot, RMS will be coming to Rochester [17:19] cprofitt: What for? [17:21] cprofitt, my buddy is there [17:21] doctormo, RIT [17:21] he is talking to the school [17:21] cool [17:21] I'm jealous [17:21] Yes... he will be at RIT [17:22] the only real issue is that it will be during the day [17:23] so... parking will be an issue and I have to take the day off [17:23] I got asked about speaking at FOSSVT too... [17:23] I need to get the details, but I may do that. [18:05] can someone op maco in #classroom? She's taking over seele's class [18:17] jcastro, what do you need? [18:17] jcastro, the flags for ubuntu/member/* are +o, you should be able to op [18:17] oh [18:17] jcastro, :) [18:17] jcastro, well done :) [18:17] whoo! [18:18] I did it! [18:18] jcastro, w00t! :) 'grats :) [18:37] he jcastro [18:40] howdy cprofitt [18:45] jcastro: has anyone from #fosscon contacted you yet? [18:45] yeah I have the mail sitting in my inbox [18:45] Nice. [18:45] * jcastro will reply today [18:45] I got invited to speak at FOSSVT... [18:45] I am on the cusp of inbox zero! [18:46] I have to look in to the specifics... but I am going to try to make it [18:46] woah... inbox 0 [18:46] I have not seen that myself since day 0 of email [18:46] jcastro: are you familiar with FOSSVT? [18:46] nope [18:48] I've been to vermont to talk about oss before with matt oquist and another guy [18:48] they run an .edu style oss conference up there [18:48] http://www.ncose.org/node/47 [18:48] jcastro: Interesting, I go up there quite often [18:48] oh dude, FOSSED [18:48] its part of NCOSE [18:48] I've been to that one [18:48] yeh... FOSSED is another one [18:48] I am going to try to go to that one [18:49] FOSSVT is another one of theirs. [18:49] FOSSED is in Main - so it is a bit futher away [18:49] cprofitt: Is it worth going to FOSSVT? [18:49] doctormo: not sure... not seen much on it... [18:50] the Excutive director of NCOSE asked if I was interested in presenting [18:50] Bryant Patten [18:50] He spoke at OSSCON this past year [18:51] and Open Edge [18:51] Open Edge is in Australia [18:52] I am trying to decide if I want to keep my domain name charlesprofitt.com or go to a new one [18:53] jcastro: how many events do you attend a year? [18:53] cprofitt: usually ohio linuxfest, ontario linuxfest and penguicon [18:54] penguincon -- where is that? [18:54] detroit [18:54] are you close to use jcastro ? [18:54] I am in detroit [18:54] Nice. [18:55] I mentored a guy who dropped out of HS and ended up being a sports writer covering the Lions [18:55] I forget what his name is.... [18:56] that is bad... forgetting his name. [18:58] doctormo: would you be interested in going to either FOSSVT or FOSSED? [19:00] cprofitt: I would [19:00] VT is very near by, also near in heart. [19:00] Cool... when I get more information I will pass it on to you. [19:00] Perhaps we could both present... [19:00] and wear the FOSS/Ubuntu colors [19:04] Sounds good, I have lots to talk about. [19:20] hello :) [19:21] hey nigel_nb [19:21] hey doctormo [19:21] sorry I couldn't talk yday [19:21] np [19:21] got back from work really late [19:22] ground control is great, now i have to factor it in to my course [19:22] doctormo: I have something else that might interest you [19:22] hey dinda [19:23] doctormo: arent you in boston? [19:24] nigel_nb: I am [19:25] doctormo: http://mairin.wordpress.com/category/inkscape-class/ [19:25] doctormo: its an inkscape class taken by a fedora art member in some boston area school.. the training is sponsered by red hat [19:25] nigel_nb: you making use of the existing inkscape course in Moodle? [19:26] cprofitt: didnt check yet, but we have now a partly written course for inkscape in terms of text, which may be rewritten [19:26] http://learn.ufbt.net/course/view.php?id=6 [19:27] we already have a Moodle cours (have for months) that covers Inkscape, Gimp and Scribus [19:27] oh, great :) [19:27] it just needs to be x-fered to the asciidoc format [19:27] ah [19:27] my bzr course is due [19:27] I have to finish it by end of next week [22:17] I'm not learning much! [22:22] lol [22:22] wow.. 3 minutes [22:24] not even. he expected to learn in 1 ;) [22:24] i want to learn something [22:24] like more about the back of my eyelids [22:25] heh [22:29] btw, blogged about the project: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2481 [22:39] pleia2: Fantasdtic! [22:40] *hugs* you've been doing a brilliant job of powering on with some documentation for the project, much needed. [22:40] *hugs*! :) [22:40] thanks [23:19] pleia2: How would I loop through 3 set strings in bash? [23:22] Ah I found it [23:38] Hello anyone and everyone [23:38] I would like to join in the Ubuntu Learning Course. [23:46] welcome Edgar1 :) [23:47] interested in writing a course? [23:48] not sure of what I can write of. I could be a translator but more than english may not be something important yet [23:49] Im a web developer and have sometime using ubuntu(almost a year) [23:49] cool, we will need translations eventually [23:49] do you think you could do some review work? [23:49] thats cool, yes i think :) [23:49] great :) [23:50] how and when can I start? [23:50] well, there are a couple of folks writing classes now that will need to be reviewed soon [23:50] ok i see [23:51] right at this moment... mostly we're looking for people to write things [23:52] once we have something for review, we'll post it to our mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-learning [23:52] mmm well, i dont know if its needed but i can write about web development in Ubuntu, anyway there are some pages that contain that information [23:52] like programs you can use for web development, or? [23:53] yeah programs that have some relation for use in php and apache, programs written in C and can be used in php [23:53] stuff like that [23:53] also configurating MySQL could be something [23:54] hmm, trying to think of where this would fit [23:55] the configuring mysql and apache things would probably be under maintaining: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics [23:55] programming stuff would be under development: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/DeveloperTopics [23:56] if you check out the SystemAdminTopics page there is a section we need covered called: "Web Hosting, apache, php, MySQL, .." [23:57] what you'd probably want to do for something like that is take https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP and put it into our CourseLayout format [23:57] ok, i'll see that now. I have suscribed to the mailing-list [23:58] great :) [23:58] feel free to take your time, it's a big project so it can be a bit overwhelming at first