[01:10] <doctormo> pleia2: what's that website you use to choose dates and time for meetings?
[01:10] <pleia2> doodle.com
[01:12] <doctormo> pleia2: I can't figure out how to use the website
[01:13] <pleia2> hang on, on a call
[01:14] <doctormo> sos
[02:10] <cprofitt> pleia2:
[02:13] <cprofitt> doctormo: you there?
[02:17]  * pleia2 on marathon conference call
[02:19] <cprofitt> pleia2: -- when off just hollar
[02:22] <pleia2> will do :)
[02:28] <doctormo> cprofitt: yes
[02:28] <cprofitt> hey doctormo I am looking for a suggestion
[02:28] <cprofitt> which course, of yours, would transfer well to Moodle?
[02:29] <doctormo> cprofitt: The command line basics or the computer hardware would go well.
[02:29] <cprofitt> do you have links so I can check them out?
[02:33] <doctormo> Ubuntu Wiki
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[02:34] <doctormo> systems-admin.png
[02:34] <doctormo> damn sorry
[02:34] <doctormo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics
[02:34] <doctormo> I tried to paste a link and instead it pasted the entire header of the page
[02:35] <cprofitt> http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/ubuntu-system-admin-class-command-line-basics/
[02:35] <cprofitt> is that one?
[02:35] <doctormo> yep
[02:35] <doctormo> ans the "local computer" one
[02:36] <pleia2> I am putting the local computer one into bzr
[02:36] <pleia2> then I think moodle
[02:36] <cprofitt> ok... I will take a look at the command line then
[02:36] <doctormo> pleia2: great
[02:37] <pleia2> ran the script to create the structure in bzr last night, started filling in the easy bits to my branch
[02:58] <doctormo> pleia2: That's fantastic, let me know how you get on.
[03:12] <pleia2> ok, finally off the phone!
[03:39] <pleia2> I'm writing a CourseAssignment page to describe how people select courses for assignment
[03:55] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseAssignment
[03:55] <pleia2> now hopefully I won't need to explain it again :)
[13:31] <doctormo> pleia2: Your a command line goddess right? I need to somehow check if a PROJECTS= exists in /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults and then add a line to it if it doesn't.
[13:32] <pleia2> I'd just use grep
[13:32] <pleia2> then perl
[13:32] <doctormo> pleia2: Doesn't it require the use of a bash if statement?
[13:32] <pleia2> yeah
[13:32] <cprofitt> doc -- what development environment do you use?
[13:33] <doctormo> I'll be honest, I'm not very good with bash if statements
[13:33] <doctormo> cprofitt: gnome-terminal + vim
[13:33] <pleia2> doctormo: I'm on the phone with a client, give me 10min and I'll have something for you :)
[13:33] <cprofitt> so how do you make your GUI elements?
[13:43] <cprofitt> doctormo: how do you make your GUI elements?
[13:43] <pleia2> doctormo:
[13:43] <pleia2> if ! grep -q '^PROJECTS=' /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults; then echo 'PROJECTS=blahblah' >> /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults
[13:43] <pleia2> fi
[13:44] <pleia2> I'd do a line break between "then" and "echo"
[13:44] <pleia2> silly irssi paste
[13:44] <pleia2> so - if a line starting with "PROJECTS=" doesn't exist, it appends a "PROJECTS=blahblah" line to the end of the file
[13:49] <doctormo> Wow it's laundry mountin time today.
[13:49] <doctormo> Thanks pleia2!
[13:49] <pleia2> sure thing
[13:49] <doctormo> cprofitt: Oh I use glade-3 with gtkBuilder
[13:50] <cprofitt> thanks... I finally trying to get started with programming
[13:50] <cprofitt> but figuring out which tools I want to use has been frustrating
[13:51] <cprofitt> it is not as 'easy' as using Visual Studio ... though I suspect when I finally get everything set I will be more rewarded (personal)
[13:52] <doctormo> cprofitt: I've used Vidual Studio, so I can give you a comparison, I've also used Eclipse.
[13:52] <cprofitt> a comparison would be great.
[13:52] <cprofitt> Eclipse seemed FUBAR in Ubuntu
[13:52] <cprofitt> unless I wanted to do Java
[13:54] <doctormo> Eclipse has no maintainer in Ubuntu, so yes, fairly craptastic, it's also slow, buggy and not designed for python, perl or C
[13:54] <doctormo> Although I did manage to get the python and bzr plugins working
[13:54] <doctormo> Visual Studio is a fairly good all contained system, but it seemed to block or naturally make invisible external functionality.
[13:55] <doctormo> It also sets a fairly strict path that leads to windows only results, so people develing in VS end up with windows only applications.
[13:55] <doctormo> Even if they program in C or iron python.
[13:56] <doctormo> What you might be interested in, is Quickly, it's about getting all the tools together to start a project the right way and then lets you develop it how ever you want.
[13:56] <doctormo> Best practices, but not forcing you into things.
[14:06] <cprofitt> Yeah... that would help
[14:06] <cprofitt> I am planning to learn Python, Lisp (J) and C
[14:06] <cprofitt> so getting up to speed on how to create a GUI and then connect code to it would be a big help
[14:06] <cprofitt> MS Visual Studio obsfucates that process
[14:08] <mhall119|work> Quickly is definitely something to look into then
[17:02] <paultag> pleia2, poke :)
[17:02] <paultag> pleia2, did you hear about nigel ?
[17:02] <pleia2> paultag: morning
[17:03] <doctormo> paultag: poky
[17:03] <paultag> 's idea*
[17:03] <paultag> pleia2, Morning!
[17:03] <paultag> Hey there doctormo
[17:03] <pleia2> paultag: classroom stuff?
[17:03] <doctormo> paultag: I didn't, tell me
[17:03] <paultag> pleia2, aye, Python + -dev
[17:03] <paultag> doctormo, nigel wanted to start a python series from the dev team
[17:03] <pleia2> paultag: yeah it's great, feel free to pick any time, as I told nigel this morning the only thing we have on the schdeule at the moment is the motu things on thursdays https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training
[17:03] <paultag> and he asked me to talk with you pleia2 about scheduling it
[17:04] <paultag> pleia2, Cool. I'll get some members to prepare, then we can work a few in
[17:04] <pleia2> great :)
[17:04] <IdleOne> is ubuntu-desktop still recommended to be installed when upgrading to newer version of Ubuntu? I remember it used to cause issues if not installed
[17:04] <paultag> doctormo, I watched your video demo, I mentioned it the other day. Looks rad
[17:08] <doctormo> paultag: It's good all the positive responses it's gotten, I'm glad people can see it being useful outside of this project.
[17:09] <paultag> doctormo, aye
[17:13] <pleia2> paultag: also, you're welcome to join us over in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage where we're doing all the -classroom planning
[17:14] <pleia2> since, you know, you're not in enough channels already
[17:17] <paultag> hahaha
[17:17] <paultag> I've been maxing out lately
[17:18] <cprofitt> woot, RMS will be coming to Rochester
[17:19] <doctormo> cprofitt: What for?
[17:21] <paultag> cprofitt, my buddy is there
[17:21] <paultag> doctormo, RIT
[17:21] <paultag> he is talking to the school
[17:21] <doctormo> cool
[17:21] <paultag> I'm jealous
[17:21] <cprofitt> Yes... he will be at RIT
[17:22] <cprofitt> the only real issue is that it will be during the day
[17:23] <cprofitt> so... parking will be an issue and I have to take the day off
[17:23] <cprofitt> I got asked about speaking at FOSSVT too...
[17:23] <cprofitt> I need to get the details, but I may do that.
[18:05] <jcastro> can someone op maco in #classroom? She's taking over seele's class
[18:17] <paultag> jcastro, what do you need?
[18:17] <paultag> jcastro, the flags for ubuntu/member/* are +o, you should be able to op
[18:17] <jcastro> oh
[18:17] <paultag> jcastro, :)
[18:17] <paultag> jcastro, well done :)
[18:17] <jcastro> whoo!
[18:18] <jcastro> I did it!
[18:18] <paultag> jcastro, w00t! :) 'grats :)
[18:37] <cprofitt> he jcastro
[18:40] <jcastro> howdy cprofitt
[18:45] <cprofitt> jcastro: has anyone from #fosscon contacted you yet?
[18:45] <jcastro> yeah I have the mail sitting in my inbox
[18:45] <cprofitt> Nice.
[18:45]  * jcastro will reply today
[18:45] <cprofitt> I got invited to speak at FOSSVT...
[18:45] <jcastro> I am on the cusp of inbox zero!
[18:46] <cprofitt> I have to look in to the specifics... but I am going to try to make it
[18:46] <cprofitt> woah... inbox 0
[18:46] <cprofitt> I have not seen that myself since day 0 of email
[18:46] <cprofitt> jcastro: are you familiar with FOSSVT?
[18:46] <jcastro> nope
[18:48] <jcastro> I've been to vermont to talk about oss before with matt oquist and another guy
[18:48] <jcastro> they run an .edu style oss conference up there
[18:48] <cprofitt> http://www.ncose.org/node/47
[18:48] <doctormo> jcastro: Interesting, I go up there quite often
[18:48] <jcastro> oh dude, FOSSED
[18:48] <cprofitt> its part of NCOSE
[18:48] <jcastro> I've been to that one
[18:48] <cprofitt> yeh... FOSSED is another one
[18:48] <cprofitt> I am going to try to go to that one
[18:49] <cprofitt> FOSSVT is another one of theirs.
[18:49] <cprofitt> FOSSED is in Main - so it is a bit futher away
[18:49] <doctormo> cprofitt: Is it worth going to FOSSVT?
[18:49] <cprofitt> doctormo: not sure... not seen much on it...
[18:50] <cprofitt> the Excutive director of NCOSE asked if I was interested in presenting
[18:50] <cprofitt> Bryant Patten
[18:50] <cprofitt> He spoke at OSSCON this past year
[18:51] <cprofitt> and Open Edge
[18:51] <cprofitt> Open Edge is in Australia
[18:52] <cprofitt> I am trying to decide if I want to keep my domain name charlesprofitt.com or go to a new one
[18:53] <cprofitt> jcastro: how many events do you attend a year?
[18:53] <jcastro> cprofitt: usually ohio linuxfest, ontario linuxfest and penguicon
[18:54] <cprofitt> penguincon -- where is that?
[18:54] <jcastro> detroit
[18:54] <cprofitt> are you close to use jcastro ?
[18:54] <jcastro> I am in detroit
[18:54] <cprofitt> Nice.
[18:55] <cprofitt> I mentored a guy who dropped out of HS and ended up being a sports writer covering the Lions
[18:55] <cprofitt> I forget what his name is....
[18:56] <cprofitt> that is bad... forgetting his name.
[18:58] <cprofitt> doctormo: would you be interested in going to either FOSSVT or FOSSED?
[19:00] <doctormo> cprofitt: I would
[19:00] <doctormo> VT is very near by, also near in heart.
[19:00] <cprofitt> Cool... when I get more information I will pass it on to you.
[19:00] <cprofitt> Perhaps we could both present...
[19:00] <cprofitt> and wear the FOSS/Ubuntu colors
[19:04] <doctormo> Sounds good, I have lots to talk about.
[19:20] <nigel_nb> hello :)
[19:21] <doctormo> hey nigel_nb
[19:21] <nigel_nb> hey doctormo
[19:21] <nigel_nb> sorry I couldn't talk yday
[19:21] <doctormo> np
[19:21] <nigel_nb> got back from work really late
[19:22] <nigel_nb> ground control is great, now i have to factor it in to my course
[19:22] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I have something else that might interest you
[19:22] <cprofitt> hey dinda
[19:23] <nigel_nb> doctormo: arent you in boston?
[19:24] <doctormo> nigel_nb: I am
[19:25] <nigel_nb> doctormo: http://mairin.wordpress.com/category/inkscape-class/
[19:25] <nigel_nb> doctormo: its an inkscape class taken by a fedora art member in some boston area school.. the training is sponsered by red hat
[19:25] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: you making use of the existing inkscape course in Moodle?
[19:26] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: didnt check yet, but we have now a partly written course for inkscape in terms of text, which may be rewritten
[19:26] <cprofitt> http://learn.ufbt.net/course/view.php?id=6
[19:27] <cprofitt> we already have a Moodle cours (have for months) that covers Inkscape, Gimp and Scribus
[19:27] <nigel_nb> oh, great :)
[19:27] <cprofitt> it just needs to be x-fered to the asciidoc format
[19:27] <nigel_nb> ah
[19:27] <nigel_nb> my bzr course is due
[19:27] <nigel_nb> I have to finish it by end of next week
[22:17] <sonny> I'm not learning much!
[22:22] <cjohnston> lol
[22:22] <cjohnston> wow.. 3 minutes
[22:24] <Pendulum> not even. he expected to learn in 1 ;)
[22:24] <cjohnston> i want to learn something
[22:24] <cjohnston> like more about the back of my eyelids
[22:25] <Pendulum> heh
[22:29] <pleia2> btw, blogged about the project: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2481
[22:39] <doctormo> pleia2: Fantasdtic!
[22:40] <doctormo> *hugs* you've been doing a brilliant job of powering on with some documentation for the project, much needed.
[22:40] <pleia2> *hugs*! :)
[22:40] <pleia2> thanks
[23:19] <doctormo> pleia2: How would I loop through 3 set strings in bash?
[23:22] <doctormo> Ah I found it
[23:38] <Edgar1> Hello anyone and everyone
[23:38] <Edgar1> I would like to join in the Ubuntu Learning Course.
[23:46] <pleia2> welcome Edgar1 :)
[23:47] <pleia2> interested in writing a course?
[23:48] <Edgar1> not sure of what I can write of. I could be a translator but more than english may not be something important yet
[23:49] <Edgar1> Im a web developer and have sometime using ubuntu(almost a year)
[23:49] <pleia2> cool, we will need translations eventually
[23:49] <pleia2> do you think you could do some review work?
[23:49] <Edgar1> thats cool, yes i think :)
[23:49] <pleia2> great :)
[23:50] <Edgar1> how and when can I start?
[23:50] <pleia2> well, there are a couple of folks writing classes now that will need to be reviewed soon
[23:50] <Edgar1> ok i see
[23:51] <pleia2> right at this moment... mostly we're looking for people to write things
[23:52] <pleia2> once we have something for review, we'll post it to our mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-learning
[23:52] <Edgar1> mmm well, i dont know if its needed but i can write about web development in Ubuntu, anyway there are some pages that contain that information
[23:52] <pleia2> like programs you can use for web development, or?
[23:53] <Edgar1> yeah programs that have some relation for use in php and apache, programs written in C and can be used in php
[23:53] <Edgar1> stuff like that
[23:53] <Edgar1> also configurating MySQL could be something
[23:54] <pleia2> hmm, trying to think of where this would fit
[23:55] <pleia2> the configuring mysql and apache things would probably be under maintaining: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics
[23:55] <pleia2> programming stuff would be under development: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/DeveloperTopics
[23:56] <pleia2> if you check out the SystemAdminTopics page there is a section we need covered called: "Web Hosting, apache, php, MySQL, .."
[23:57] <pleia2> what you'd probably want to do for something like that is take https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP and put it into our CourseLayout format
[23:57] <Edgar1> ok, i'll see that now. I have suscribed to the mailing-list
[23:58] <pleia2> great :)
[23:58] <pleia2> feel free to take your time, it's a big project so it can be a bit overwhelming at first