| tonyyarusso | Takyoji: bunches - can you get any more specific? | 00:15 |
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| Takyoji | Desktop applications; server applications (such as a VLE, etc) | 00:18 |
| tonyyarusso | What's VLE? | 00:18 |
| Takyoji | Virtual | 00:18 |
| Takyoji | Virtual Learning Environment* | 00:18 |
| Takyoji | i.e. Moodle | 00:18 |
| tonyyarusso | oh | 00:18 |
| tonyyarusso | Well for starters, is money as issue for your district? | 00:18 |
| Takyoji | Not necessarily; they just burn all the money they can get it almost seems | 00:19 |
| tonyyarusso | Of course - if they don't spend it they won't get it in the next budget cycle. | 00:19 |
| Takyoji | for things like gradebook solution, library solution, etc | 00:19 |
| Takyoji | Everything's pretty much all Windows servers, even for their webserver | 00:19 |
| tonyyarusso | Honestly, you probably don't have a prayer with the district unless you can make progress in a few schools first. | 00:20 |
| Takyoji | That's what I figure | 00:21 |
| tonyyarusso | Unless the idea of showing up to school board meetings and complaining about the wasted money sounds appealing to you. | 00:21 |
| Takyoji | otherwise I believe I'd be able to sway any of the teachers | 00:21 |
| tonyyarusso | Do that. Make the teachers demand it. | 00:21 |
| _diablo | Moodle is ridiculously popular with teachers. | 00:22 |
| _diablo | (from my experience) | 00:22 |
| Takyoji | considering one is already pushing for Moodle; while one of the district technologists try downloading the Moodle-XAMPP bundle and have it run in a Windows server; and thus try to make BOTH Apache and IIS to mystically bind to port 80... | 00:22 |
| tonyyarusso | XAMPP :( | 00:22 |
| tonyyarusso | Although at least he was doing it on Windows. | 00:22 |
| tonyyarusso | There was a guy in #ubuntu recently advising people to install XAMPP on Ubuntu. | 00:23 |
| Takyoji | heh | 00:23 |
| _diablo | lol | 00:26 |
| Takyoji | and then also the district technologist said as a counter-argument to me about being "all that maintenance" if they changed the webserver to a Linux installation rather than a Windows Server installation; and have pretty much everything managed through the package manager. | 00:26 |
| Takyoji | It's practically almost as if "Get the Facts" campaign must of been their bible growing up or something.. | 00:26 |
| tonyyarusso | Did you press him on exactly what maintenance he was referring to? | 00:28 |
| Takyoji | I didn't get much of an answer | 00:29 |
| Takyoji | and another time I was lightly implying the idea of perhaps a Linux distro on a few desktops or something; but he implied that they only have students use things they'll use in the "real world" | 00:30 |
| _diablo | Takyoji, ugh. this kind of ignorance is the annoyance of linux. It's people being opposed to it. You can at least fight that. It's people being ignorant. | 00:32 |
| Takyoji | The only thing they have that's Linux-based is a self-maintaining mail spam filter that was pre-installed with a custom Linux installation and so on | 00:32 |
| tonyyarusso | Takyoji: I would suggest that you aren't nearly aggressive enough. | 00:32 |
| Takyoji | I also love how he implied that Google Chrome will never really have a role in the browser market. | 00:33 |
| Takyoji | Yet right now it's pretty much becoming a big competitor to Firefox | 00:33 |
| _diablo | Takyoji, hahaha, it's already past safari! | 00:33 |
| tonyyarusso | Takyoji: Remember, if you can't change their mind, humiliate and discredit them in front of their peers and superiors so you don't have to. | 00:33 |
| Takyoji | Add-on functionality, faster JS, and much better performance on Linux than Firefox | 00:33 |
| Takyoji | Their boss is probably even more careless or even close-minded as well | 00:34 |
| Takyoji | the man won't even REPLY to your emails | 00:34 |
| tonyyarusso | Complain to his boss :) | 00:34 |
| tonyyarusso | about the not replying to e-mails, not the content (yet) | 00:35 |
| Takyoji | One of the teachers were asking if they could have simple little laptops for students in a class; just something capable of web browsing. And the technology director implied that would be like approximately $800 or so per laptop | 00:35 |
| Takyoji | A netbook would do exactly that, with like half the price | 00:36 |
| Takyoji | It's not like you'd need to run Crysis on it | 00:36 |
| _diablo | Takyoji, probably even less if you buy in bulk. you can get a solid netbook for 350 retail. if you watch for discounts, you can get it for 325 tops | 00:37 |
| Takyoji | You can get a Mini 10v for a starting price of 300 | 00:37 |
| _diablo | Ugh. Minis are gross imo. But yeah, as a generic school laptop, you're probably right. it would be fine | 00:38 |
| _diablo | tonyyarusso, what plans on the t-shirt thing? | 00:38 |
| _diablo | I would assume all results that matter are in | 00:39 |
| Takyoji | We need to do more somehow... | 00:42 |
| Takyoji | it's just too bad that there's not really anyone in my area though | 00:42 |
| tonyyarusso | _diablo: why are you asking me? | 00:44 |
| Takyoji | The idea is that supposedly there wasn't a whole lot of demand; and that we'd probably do something custom, correct? | 00:46 |
| tonyyarusso | _diablo: but the survey has a total of 10 requested. I don't think it's really gotten enough exposure as an idea yet. | 00:46 |
| tonyyarusso | Takyoji: pretty much | 00:47 |
| Takyoji | For those that want a shirt; perhaps they could collaborate on an idea | 00:47 |
| Takyoji | and if it stands out, more people could have interest | 00:47 |
| tonyyarusso | I think it would be a very smart idea to get at least 30 people expressing interest before worrying too much about order specifics. | 00:48 |
| _diablo | tonyyarusso, I thought you were organizing it. Was that not correct? | 00:49 |
| _diablo | and yeah, that makes sense | 00:49 |
| tonyyarusso | _diablo: I don't recall agreeing to such at least ;) | 00:50 |
| tonyyarusso | I'd be okay placing the order and dealing with some distribution aspects and can suggest vendors, but someone else should do the drumming up interest and stuff more first. | 00:50 |
| _diablo | okay, fair enough :) | 00:51 |
| _diablo | I'll mention it at each meeting. | 00:51 |
| tonyyarusso | That won't be enough on it's own. The mailing list readership is much larger but very little of it is involved enough for IRC. | 00:53 |
| _diablo | Ah, well... I sent an email to people asking if they wanted a shirt. I guess this answers the question about being enough interest :) | 00:54 |
| tonyyarusso | You can't just jump right in and ask the question. You have to propose it, explain it, argue for it, and then ask for support. | 00:56 |
| _diablo | ehhh, okay, I'm definitely not the right person to be doing this then. I am pretty ambivalent to the idea honestly. I'd buy one if offered, but am not gung-ho about this by any means | 00:57 |
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| tonyyarusso | oh btw guys, you can add Launchpad OpenIDs to your ubuntu-minnesota.org accounts now. | 02:46 |
| tonyyarusso | Creating new accounts that only use that doesn't work quite yet, but will soon. | 02:47 |
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