| maco | Riddell: Nightrose bailed me out when non-kubuntu kde question came up | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| maco | Riddell: and then the people in -chat realised that the combination of celeste, mackenzie, and lydia = wow there's a lot of women involved in kde/kubuntu! | 00:14 |
| maco | and then they asked why all the girls like kde and if women like c++ ...and then pleia2 was all "hey! i use gnome!" | 00:14 |
| maco | but then i informed her that my desktop was prettier than hers | 00:14 |
| Quintasan | Oh well. I'm going to bed. Good night Ladies and Gentleman | 00:17 |
| Lex79 | Quintasan: night | 00:18 |
| ryanakca | maco: But don't you use xmonad? Or have you finally switched? | 00:18 |
| ryanakca | G'night Quintasan | 00:18 |
| maco | ryanakca: i use kde with xmonad instead of kde with kwin | 00:18 |
| maco | Quintasan: niters | 00:18 |
| ryanakca | maco: Have a link to your xmonad.hs? | 00:23 |
| maco | ryanakca: http://pastebin.com/f3e4698c5 | 00:23 |
| maco | ryanakca: so even though xprop says plasma-desktop and Plasma-desktop are both valid, only the capital P one actually works *shrug* | 00:24 |
| maco | be warned when making edits that you need the capitalised forms | 00:24 |
| ryanakca | maco: thanks | 00:25 |
| * ryanakca wonders if he can run both plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook simultaneously now :) | 00:26 | |
| * maco hopes Riddell didn't fall asleep, else he'll miss his plane | 00:26 | |
| Riddell | plane? | 00:27 |
| Riddell | oh aye, I should go to the airport shouldn't I? | 00:28 |
| maco | Riddell: you said you have to leave at 3. its 1230 | 00:29 |
| maco | i figured if you fell asleep now, you'd not wake up by 3 | 00:29 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: You can run them both, but it has unfortunate effects on performance. | 00:55 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Ah | 01:05 |
| Riddell | anyone having problems with knetworkmanager? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | it's stopped working for me? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | s/\?// | 01:06 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, working fine here | 01:07 |
| verbalshadow | Riddell: it did for me a few days back, i just started nm-applet and re-enable network management, could to it from knm or cnetworkmanager either | 01:39 |
| verbalshadow | oops couldn't | 01:39 |
| nixternal | mmm, mexican food ftw! | 02:11 |
| maco | ooh food? i want food | 02:13 |
| daskreech | food | 02:19 |
| seele | maco: how did the udw talk go? | 02:27 |
| Riddell | she rocked! | 02:28 |
| maco | hahaha | 02:28 |
| maco | seele: i got a bit stuck at "show a list of previous kubuntu papercuts and current ones" and so showed the lp search results within the hundredpapercuts project | 02:28 |
| seele | ah cool | 02:29 |
| maco | and when i got asked a KDE-but-not-Kubuntu question, Nightrose became my assistant | 02:29 |
| seele | did you talk about the papercut you worked on too? | 02:29 |
| seele | what was the kde question? | 02:29 |
| maco | why do some junior jobs look hard | 02:29 |
| maco | i thought maybe so there'd be some "ive coded before, but not worked on kde" tasks, but lydia said because someone didnt know what they wer doing when they tagged it | 02:29 |
| maco | i mentioned that a past papercut was changing scary technical terms to nicer user ones | 02:30 |
| seele | cool | 02:31 |
| maco | seele: someone asked why all the girls like kde | 02:33 |
| maco | ya know, once lydia was pulled in | 02:33 |
| maco | pleia2 popped up to proclaim her love of gnome | 02:33 |
| daskreech | Foot fetish! | 02:34 |
| seele | maco: because we dont need stupid girls clubs to feel like we belong to kde | 02:39 |
| maco | daskreech: O_o | 02:40 |
| maco | daskreech: oh wait...the gnome logo? | 02:40 |
| maco | seele: i like u-w and linuxchix... | 02:40 |
| seele | i think they are counter productive and nothing more the clubs | 02:41 |
| seele | but my views on women's groups are neither a secret nor popular | 02:41 |
| maco | i dont think im part of kde though. a little bit a part of kubuntu, but not much | 02:41 |
| * daskreech hugs maco | 02:41 | |
| maco | just that im friends with the people who actually do make up the kubuntu team | 02:41 |
| maco | i only know how to do not-gui-at-all or gtk programming, so... :P | 02:42 |
| maco | but by semester's end, i'll be able to do kde stuff! | 02:42 |
| * maco circles the "learn pykde" entry on the todo list | 02:42 | |
| maco | Riddell: if i dont have any working code for that sign language app by the time you get here, make me sit down and Just Do It | 02:44 |
| maco | (design is done...ish) | 02:45 |
| Riddell | gotcha | 02:45 |
| maco | sebas: network issues? | 02:48 |
| dhillon-v10 | maco: nice session today :) | 02:50 |
| dhillon-v10 | Riddell: hi :) how's it going | 02:50 |
| maco | dhillon-v10: thanks | 02:50 |
| maco | dhillon-v10: seele wrote it | 02:50 |
| seele | dhillon-v10: i unfortunately had a last minute meeting dropped on me and i asked maco to cover for me | 02:50 |
| dhillon-v10 | seele: it was a nice session, but I missed the first part of it, just got back from school so I was there when someone asked that question regarding papercuts being hard | 02:51 |
| maco | now i see why so many people do joint sessions | 02:51 |
| maco | then you have backup on questions you cant answer! | 02:52 |
| dhillon-v10 | maco: that was not really a good question IMHO, you need to know how to code to solve papercuts | 02:52 |
| maco | dhillon-v10: not necessarily! | 02:52 |
| maco | i did a papercut last cycle without knowing c++ | 02:53 |
| maco | it was a crackton of string changes | 02:53 |
| dhillon-v10 | maco: well, to some extent, it makes your life easy :) | 02:53 |
| maco | but that question was about junior jobs, which is something i'm not really familiar with | 02:53 |
| maco | i'd read lyd's blog post about them before though, so i grabbed her | 02:53 |
| dhillon-v10 | maco: but in the end it turned out alright :) | 02:54 |
| seele | dhillon-v10: the point is that the project itself is small, so even if it takes a lot of work to learn how to fix the bug, as a beginner, you get a chance to learn a lot | 02:56 |
| seele | so even if it would take a seasoned developer 10 minutes to fix and someone new a few days, it is still a fairly small problem to fix | 02:56 |
| dhillon-v10 | seele: yeah, and 10 minutes is some time anyone can fin | 02:57 |
| dhillon-v10 | *find | 02:57 |
| maco | i guess i could start looking at >1 day problems.... | 02:57 |
| maco | i usually try to find bugs that i can do in a day | 02:58 |
| maco | half of which is spent figuring out which file is the one to modify | 02:58 |
| seele | maco: that's the learning bit. after a while you get to know where that stuff is and it isn't part of the bug fixing time | 02:59 |
| seele | that's why i like things like papercuts as an introduction to kde, you learn a lot about the libs by trying to do something simple, but you can reuse that knoweldge | 02:59 |
| ScottK | maco: You are definitely part of Kubuntu and part of KDE too. You have more upstream commits than I do. | 03:04 |
| maco | ScottK: they're string changes... | 03:04 |
| ScottK | maco: Yes. You don't need to be a C++ ubergeek to be part of KDE. | 03:05 |
| dhillon-v10 | ScottK: that makes me feel good :) I am not too proficient at it | 03:05 |
| seele | ScottK: incase you didnt get one of the 5 emails about the kde release party.. it is at fudruckers in columbia | 03:06 |
| maco | ScottK: i feel more like im a newbish developer who happens to use kde | 03:06 |
| seele | i figured since most of the people are from that area, that is a good place to have it | 03:06 |
| maco | if more people than can fit in your car want to come from dc (i can already count up me, Riddell, and crimsun), is the B30 the way to go? | 03:08 |
| maco | i mean, in a pinch i think people could sit on each others' laps, but i dont think the state troopers like that | 03:09 |
| seele | what are you talking about | 03:09 |
| seele | why the hell would you take the bus from dc to columbia? | 03:09 |
| maco | because it's too far to walk? | 03:09 |
| seele | because there are no such thing as cars? | 03:09 |
| seele | i've already said i will pick up people at the metro | 03:10 |
| maco | thats why i said "if more than can fit in your car" | 03:10 |
| seele | ive got more than one car, i dont think it will be a problem | 03:10 |
| maco | oh | 03:10 |
| seele | the benefits of being in comfortable upper middle class :P | 03:10 |
| seele | dont make things harder than they need to be :P | 03:10 |
| maco | seele: by the way, why no seele in #ubuntu-us-dc ? | 03:13 |
| maco | oh its friday! metro open later tonight! | 03:13 |
| seele | maco: uh.. i dunno.. i try not to lurk and only stay in channels i participate in | 03:16 |
| maco | oh ok | 03:17 |
| daskreech | maco: You have a sign language app? | 03:23 |
| maco | daskreech: i will....eventually | 03:23 |
| maco | its my senior design project | 03:23 |
| daskreech | maco: Serious? | 03:25 |
| daskreech | Hmm | 03:25 |
| maco | daskreech: yes | 03:25 |
| daskreech | I have a few people here very interested in a sign language app | 03:25 |
| maco | you pick a region's sign language, and then you go through lessons, and then you get quizzed on them | 03:25 |
| maco | the lessons show you a video of a sign, and text telling you what the sign means and if necessary some hints like "don't sign it too high on your cheek, else instead of saying apple you'll say onion" | 03:26 |
| daskreech | maco: We just did something like that here but as a web app for Sign language teachers | 03:26 |
| maco | and it should remember which lesson of which sign language you were on | 03:26 |
| daskreech | They were asking if KDE had anything with Signlanguage when they saw parley | 03:27 |
| maco | hopefully by may there will be then :) | 03:27 |
| maco | so what you're saying is, i have willing test subjects? | 03:27 |
| daskreech | \o/ | 03:27 |
| daskreech | Quite a few | 03:27 |
| maco | possibly people willing to help build up a library of signs as well? | 03:27 |
| maco | i only know ASL signs | 03:28 |
| daskreech | I have JSL | 03:28 |
| maco | J? Japanese? | 03:28 |
| daskreech | I'll speak to them about licensing on it | 03:28 |
| ScottK | seele: Fudruckers is a good choice, unfortunately I'll be in California on business. | 03:28 |
| daskreech | Jamaican | 03:28 |
| seele | ScottK: waah, well i guess it is good you have business so i cant complain too much :) | 03:28 |
| maco | agateau said he thinks he needs to learn LSF since ASL & LSF are about 2/3 the same and i talk too fast for his ears | 03:28 |
| maco | he asked if i sign as fast as i talk | 03:29 |
| maco | i told him no, native english speakers ask me to sign while i talk to make me talk at a pace they can understand | 03:29 |
| * ScottK tosses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacing_effect at maco along with http://www.mnemosyne-proj.org/principles.php | 03:32 | |
| ScottK | maco: mnemosyne is written in pyqt. | 03:32 |
| maco | i think i can convince some friends to record some Auslan and NZSL signs | 03:32 |
| maco | ScottK: oh thats like pimsleur! | 03:32 |
| maco | when i started studying russian it was with the pimsleur CDs and they did the gradual spacing thing | 03:33 |
| maco | For all you science geeks, Mnemosyne can be integrated with LaTeX: <--- *GIGGLE* | 03:34 |
| maco | yay LaTeX! | 03:34 |
| ScottK | mnemosyne 1 is in the archive and is pyqt3. mnemosyne 2 is in development and is pyqt4. | 03:34 |
| ScottK | Unfortunately, the principle developer is about to become a father again, so release soon in unlikely. | 03:35 |
| ScottK | maco: mnemosyne 2 is split into a core library and a U/I. I'm not sure, but the lib might be useful for your project. | 03:35 |
| ScottK | I'm also not sure how done it is. | 03:36 |
| maco | ok. thanks! | 03:36 |
| maco | no physics card set :( | 03:36 |
| maco | or algebra :( | 03:36 |
| maco | guess ill be learning from a book tomorrow, the old fashioned way | 03:36 |
| ScottK | It's also compatible with supermemo data, so if you can find those, they'll work too. | 03:36 |
| daskreech | maco: What's the structure of it? | 03:39 |
| maco | daskreech: of how mine's supposed to be put together? umm i have a uml somewhere around here... | 03:40 |
| daskreech | ok can you mail it to me? | 03:41 |
| maco | i have it on a server... | 03:41 |
| maco | wanna look in firefox? | 03:41 |
| daskreech | :-) | 03:41 |
| daskreech | Sure | 03:42 |
| maco | Riddell grumped because i used Dia instead of Umbrello | 03:42 |
| maco | http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~mac/uml.png | 03:42 |
| maco | im pretty sure i was a gnome user when the first draft of the uml happened though | 03:42 |
| maco | also, i dont like qt3 :P | 03:43 |
| daskreech | Ha ha :) | 03:54 |
| daskreech | How long are these attacks on freenode going to go on? | 03:55 |
| maco | new server tomorrow | 03:55 |
| daskreech | Riddell should be suitably annoyed he's in like 60 channels | 03:55 |
| maco | he's on his way to the airport | 03:55 |
| maco | he's sprinting all next week | 03:55 |
| maco | (er...as in canonical sprinting, not as in running) | 03:56 |
| daskreech | ok | 03:57 |
| === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh | ||
| daskreech | Bye jackass | 04:32 |
| claydoh | where are all these query attempts? zqgtsrv and nd the like?digrskd a | 04:35 |
| tsimpson | people being annoying | 04:43 |
| daskreech | claydoh: Freenode under attack again | 04:48 |
| daskreech | They have been bots joing random channels and script CTCP spam attacks all day | 04:49 |
| maco | all day? | 05:15 |
| maco | more like all month | 05:15 |
| daskreech | maco: Fun isn't it? | 05:51 |
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| === Sput is now known as Squt | ||
| === Squt is now known as Sput | ||
| markey | hey all | 10:50 |
| markey | is it possible (on Karmic) to upgrade to Qt 4.6.1, but keeping KDE 4.3.5? | 10:51 |
| markey | I don't want to upgrade KDE at this point (not yet) | 10:51 |
| === lubyou_ is now known as lubyou | ||
| refreshFSN | hello! just one quick question...planning to upgrade amarok 2.2.0 to amarok 2.2.2 on ubuntu (gnome). do i need to purge v2.2.0 before installing 2.2.2 or do i leave everything as it was? | 12:05 |
| Mamarok | refreshFSN: sorry, markey did mislead you, support is in #kubuntu | 12:12 |
| Mamarok | and see my answer in #amarok | 12:12 |
| markey | ah sorry | 12:13 |
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| === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying | ||
| === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler | ||
| === emma_ is now known as emma | ||
| === nhandler is now known as Guest1010 | ||
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| * ryanakca debates dist-upgrading to lucid | 15:21 | |
| redIago | where can i get some good info on programming with qt? | 16:12 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: well if you have some time to spare I'd like you to help me with icecc if you can | 16:33 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 16:51 |
| _Groo_ | anyone working in qt 4.6.1 already | 16:51 |
| Tm_T | _Groo_: I thought we are were using it | 16:54 |
| _Groo_ | Tm_T: really? cause i just did an update in lucid and its still 4.6.0 | 16:55 |
| Tm_T | ah, then I have no idea | 16:56 |
| _Groo_ | Tm_T: are you on karmic? | 16:56 |
| _Groo_ | Tm_T: maybe a ppa? | 16:56 |
| Tm_T | Intrepid | 16:56 |
| _Groo_ | Tm_T: a ppa then | 16:57 |
| Tm_T | nope, no ppa for Intrepid (: | 16:57 |
| _Groo_ | Tm_T: own packages? | 16:57 |
| Tm_T | no, I'm ugly and just build and run KDE trunk & stuff for myself ): | 16:58 |
| Sput | who doesn't :) | 17:01 |
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| lubyou | are there new python-kde4 packages in the works, because those released with kde 4.4 rc2 are broken (RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyKDE4.kdeui module requires API v6.0) ? | 17:32 |
| Lex79 | not yet in karmic | 17:33 |
| lubyou | too bad because it pretty much breaks all the pykde apps incl. the system setting's printer applet | 17:35 |
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| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: ping regarding docs freeze | 19:59 |
| nixternal | yo | 20:07 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10: yo | 20:08 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal: sorry irssi doesn't inform when someone pings me back, but anyways I finished my docs. and they were all reviewed so would you like for me to send you an email of all my docs. and pictures that I completed so you can check if you have included all of them in the branch | 20:32 |
| Tm_T | dhillon-v10: how it doesn't inform? | 20:33 |
| dhillon-v10 | Tm_T: hi there, you know like in xchat when someone pings you back you someone ping you, xchat window start blinking irssi in terminator doesn't do that | 20:34 |
| crimsun | that's because irssi has this "feature" where nick-highlight is only triggered at the beginning of the line | 20:35 |
| dhillon-v10 | * someone pings you back sorry about repeating the text | 20:35 |
| Tm_T | dhillon-v10: ah, you can make Konsole atleast to bling and yell at you | 20:35 |
| Tm_T | crimsun: not true | 20:35 |
| Tm_T | crimsun: it's totally up to your hilight rules | 20:36 |
| crimsun | Tm_T: well, certainly, it's perl | 20:36 |
| dhillon-v10 | Tm_T: wait then let me switch to konsole :) | 20:36 |
| === dhillon-v10 is now known as dhillon-v10_ | ||
| Tm_T | dhillon-v10: I'm sure you can do similar with Terminator too, just need configuration, and in Terminators case it typically is done by editing the config file | 20:37 |
| dhillon-v10_ | Tm_T: probably I haven't looked into it, but will do | 20:38 |
| dhillon-v10_ | dhillon-v10: ping | 20:38 |
| Tm_T | dhillon-v10: also it's up to how you configure your shell and screen if you use that | 20:38 |
| Tm_T | audible bell or visible bell, up to your taste | 20:38 |
| dhillon-v10_ | Tm_T: yup you are right, konsole blinks :) | 20:38 |
| nixternal | dhillon-v10_: just mark your changes for a merge on LP, or I will just manually copy them over later...I am getting ready to head out for the day | 20:38 |
| dhillon-v10_ | nixternal: alright :) that works too | 20:39 |
| === dhillon-v10_ is now known as dhillon-v10 | ||
| ScottK | nhandler: Could there please be some way to opt out of all these freenode notification PMs? I find them far more annoying than the stuff they are warning me about. | 20:52 |
| Sput | mode +w is supposed to enable wallops | 21:15 |
| Sput | but freenode staff likes to ignore that :P | 21:16 |
| crimsun | i.e., try setting -w | 21:16 |
| tsimpson | ScottK: you could probably ignore notices from *!*@freenode/staff/* (if your client supports ignoring notices) | 21:18 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: Sput: in this case, I doubt all who should receive the message does have +w (: | 21:18 |
| tsimpson | but global notices are supposed to be ... global :) | 21:19 |
| Tm_T | indeed | 21:19 |
| Tm_T | I never had problems with those | 21:20 |
| Tm_T | I have way more messages from spammers and alike | 21:20 |
| ScottK | Since I got CTCP ignore, I've been untroubled by spammers/bad guys | 21:20 |
| maco | where'd you get it? | 21:20 |
| maco | i am confused | 21:20 |
| maco | did you just recompile locally or something? | 21:20 |
| Tm_T | maco: ? | 21:21 |
| maco | Tm_T: at ScottK | 21:21 |
| Tm_T | roger | 21:21 |
| ScottK | maco: For quassel you get it in lucid, karmic-updates, and karmic-backports. | 21:22 |
| Sput | it shouldn't be necessary anymore though | 21:22 |
| maco | ok where in teh settings is it then? because i have karmic-updates, and i havent noticed any changes to quassel... | 21:23 |
| Sput | looks like spamming has stopped, also there's a user mode now to ignore channel CTCPs | 21:23 |
| maco | no new checkboxes or anything in the "ignore" section | 21:23 |
| tsimpson | the new IRCd blocs the HTTP POST exploit they used | 21:23 |
| tsimpson | and the channel mode +C blocks all CTCPs to a channel | 21:23 |
| maco | im still wondering where this mysterious new option in quassel is though | 21:24 |
| maco | supposedly its been there for a few days right, so i wouldve been able to not get these ctcps for the last few days? only i havent been able to find the setting | 21:24 |
| ScottK | maco: In the rule type for new ignore list rules | 21:29 |
| nhandler | ScottK: The only way to block the global notices is with the /ignore option that tsimpson mentioned. Although, these announcements are generally intended to be seen/read by everyone, so do this at your own risk | 21:33 |
| Sput | nhandler: I'm not sure if every netsplit needs to be commented as a global message, and if such information couldn't be enabled for +w users only | 21:35 |
| Sput | netsplits by themselves are spammy enough, having 1-2 staffers during and/or afterwards writing a lengthy text telling me that a server went down doesn't strike me as particularly important :) | 21:36 |
| ScottK | Agreed | 21:37 |
| Sput | that just makes users take measure to blanket-ignore staff messages, and they'll miss the real important ones | 21:37 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: can you do echo $QT_IM_MODULE in konsole? | 22:27 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: $QT_IM_MODULE is ibus, $XMODIFIERS is @im=ibus | 22:27 |
| Quintasan | damn | 22:28 |
| Quintasan | same here | 22:28 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: using Konversation or Kopete ATM? | 22:28 |
| Zorael | Konversation for IRC, Kopete for the rest. :3 | 22:28 |
| Quintasan | when you right click on input field and go to Select Input Method I can guess you have ibus selected | 22:29 |
| Quintasan | right? | 22:29 |
| Zorael | In Kopete and Konversation yes, in Konsole no | 22:29 |
| Quintasan | Do you have XIM there? | 22:29 |
| Zorael | XIM, scim-bridge, ibus (ja) and uim - since I have all those installed to see if b.k.o #222620 was prevalent in each | 22:31 |
| Quintasan | damn, what's wrong now :/ | 22:31 |
| Zorael | Let me restart X just incase, this machine has been running for a while now | 22:33 |
| Quintasan | hmm in Kate I can't even enable Anthy with ctrl+alt+comma | 22:35 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: Looking closer, I see I get ibus from a ppa, so we're likely not running the same version | 22:35 |
| Zorael | Ctrl+alt+comma is my own setting; I have comma for enable, dot for hiragana, dash for katakana etc (on a Swedish keyboard) | 22:36 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: 1.2.0.2009 | 22:36 |
| Quintasan | what version do you have? | 22:36 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: 1.2.0.20091215-1~ppa2, from ppa:ibus-dev/ibus-1.2-karmic | 22:37 |
| Quintasan | let me test that | 22:38 |
| Quintasan | aint ctrl+alt+comma giving you a comma in input window even with keybind? | 22:38 |
| Zorael | nope | 22:38 |
| Zorael | In ibus preferences; "Enable or disable: Control+space; Control+Alt+comma" | 22:39 |
| Quintasan | okay | 22:40 |
| Quintasan | brb | 22:40 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: :/ | 22:43 |
| Quintasan | still XIM | 22:43 |
| Quintasan | I can use ibus if I switch to it manually | 22:43 |
| Quintasan | hngh | 22:43 |
| Zorael | I just switch input methods via im-switch and it ends up being the default | 22:44 |
| Quintasan | im-switch -z ja_JP -s ibus ? | 22:46 |
| Zorael | I don't use a Japanese locale, so just -s ibus | 22:46 |
| Zorael | I end up as all_ALL for some reason | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | oh wow | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | I have ibus and ibus-kde | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | :O | 22:46 |
| Zorael | wait, what? From where? | 22:47 |
| Zorael | give! | 22:47 |
| Quintasan | im-switch -c | 22:47 |
| Zorael | Curious, I only have ibus | 22:47 |
| Quintasan | plasam-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus | 22:47 |
| Quintasan | do you have this package? | 22:47 |
| Quintasan | damn HURRDURR | 22:48 |
| Zorael | Nope, I'll try it out | 22:48 |
| Zorael | I largely prefer UIM over ibus, due to ibus' (and Anthy under ibus) general lack of configurability and hitherto no Qt4 frontend | 22:48 |
| Quintasan | brb | 22:50 |
| Quintasan | testing testing and testing | 22:50 |
| Quintasan | YEAH | 22:51 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: I know what's wrong | 22:51 |
| Quintasan | It's a problem with different locale | 22:52 |
| Zorael | Ah, you were setting the IM for ja_JP when you were using e.g. en_US? | 22:52 |
| Quintasan | I had set ibus for jp_JP but my locale is pl_PL and it used default (XIM) | 22:52 |
| Quintasan | :DD | 22:52 |
| Quintasan | and what did you say about UIM? | 22:52 |
| Zorael | Well, install it and try it out; compare. :3 It has input prediction, segment separators, and other Anthy options that ibus just doesn't seem to offer | 22:54 |
| Quintasan | 東京 | 23:00 |
| Quintasan | ？ | 23:00 |
| Zorael | yep :) | 23:00 |
| Quintasan | so Ibus works pretty fine | 23:00 |
| Zorael | Well | 23:00 |
| Quintasan | I type in toukyou and press space and it changes into kanji | 23:00 |
| Zorael | try opening up kate and enter something in there | 23:00 |
| Quintasan | works | 23:01 |
| Zorael | Yes, that's how it's supposed to work; you enter stuff, hit space and get a suggestion, then hit space again and get candidates | 23:01 |
| Zorael | Japanese does? | 23:01 |
| Zorael | You don't get https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222620? | 23:01 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 222620 in general "[4 4rc1 regression] cannot enter text in languages requiring commit (Japanese) using input methods through their Qt4 modules" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 23:01 |
| Quintasan | Candidates work | 23:01 |
| Quintasan | IBus + this gtk thingy in tray | 23:01 |
| Zorael | With ibus, as soon as I hit enter to commit, the text disappears | 23:02 |
| Zorael | With UIM, it sticks to the cursor | 23:02 |
| Zorael | Also, try entering something (using Anthy) in Konqueror. Is input really slow? | 23:03 |
| Quintasan | oh shit | 23:03 |
| Quintasan | it actually disappears | 23:03 |
| Quintasan | yeah konq's very slow | 23:03 |
| Zorael | something with either Qt4 or KDE is acting up, with nice input in some apps (Kopete, Konsole, etc), slow input in some (Konqueror, I think Amarok), and non-working in Kate/KWrite | 23:04 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: and UIM works in both? | 23:04 |
| Zorael | No, UIM exhibits the same behavior, albeit in Kate/KWrite the text doesn't immediately disappear (it sticks to the cursor, see screencast attached to the bug report), and you can circumvent it by exporting QT_IM_MODULE=xim before starting the app itself | 23:05 |
| dhillon-v10 | Quintasan: hi there, what's up | 23:05 |
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| Quintasan | dhillon-v10: toying with input methods | 23:06 |
| dhillon-v10 | Quintasan: nice :) | 23:06 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: I'd still try UIM if I were you though, unless you're really gunning for ibus | 23:07 |
| Quintasan | well I'm just playing with ibus to check if kimpanel works | 23:07 |
| Quintasan | but it doesnt | 23:07 |
| Zorael | Ah, okay | 23:08 |
| Zorael | no, instant plasma crash :3 | 23:08 |
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| Quintasan | Zorael: no, just doing it until it stays in panel :D | 23:08 |
| Zorael | At least it's good to see that 222620 happens to more than me (for awareness). The other guy I mention in the description was running Arch, and for him it worked in 4.3.4 but not in 4.4rc1. | 23:10 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: so you are not using ibus right? anthy + uim? | 23:11 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: I'd say I use UIM, but currently trying out ibus. Both use an Anthy backend | 23:12 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: uim-anthy, uim-qt, uim and uim-applet-kde should do the trick? | 23:14 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: I think so, yeah. I'm not sure the repo uim-qt has the Qt4 panel, though. Mine's from ppa:japanese-testers/ppa | 23:14 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: btw. you are from Japan? | 23:15 |
| Zorael | uim-applet-kde is just a panel widget that doesn't really work | 23:15 |
| Quintasan | ah okay | 23:15 |
| Zorael | No, I'm Swedish, but I've studied Japanese for some two years | 23:15 |
| Quintasan | okay, got uim from repo | 23:19 |
| Guest47478 | seriously, Guest47478 | 23:19 |
| Guest47478 | freenode sucks | 23:19 |
| Sput | yeah, 47474 would've been way cooler! | 23:20 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: mind telling me what uim backend you have selected? | 23:20 |
| Quintasan | uim, uim-systray or uim-toolbar-qt? | 23:20 |
| Quintasan | Guest47478: who the hell are you anyways? :P | 23:20 |
| Guest47478 | this is my new nick, screw freenode | 23:20 |
| Quintasan | Quintasan: | 23:20 |
| Quintasan | no highlight for me :< | 23:21 |
| Quintasan | Quintasan | 23:21 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: Well, since I have packages with the Qt4 panel/toolbar, I just use 'uim' and put a script in .kde/autostart to run uim-toolbar-qt4 upon login | 23:22 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: pick uim-toolbar-qt or uim-systray, I'd say, if you don't have /usr/bin/uim-toolbar-qt4. Any gtk panel will be uglier than sin, obviously, since it's started before the QtCurve gtkrc thing gets exported | 23:22 |
| Quintasan | okay I have uim-toolbar-qt4 | 23:23 |
| Quintasan | seriously, Asian input is such a mess now that it makes me want to puke | 23:23 |
| Quintasan | :/ | 23:23 |
| Quintasan | brb | 23:24 |
| nixternal | there | 23:25 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: awesome | 23:28 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: | 23:28 |
| Quintasan | urgh | 23:28 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: Regarding Asian input, uim-qt should be packaged so that there's a proper uim-toolbar-qt4 im-switch option, but as it happens it isn't. - ibus isn't installing any ibus im-switch options for the all_ALL locale, so I need to manually edit /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL. Skim (whilst now defunct-ish) installation is broken as per launchpad bug 403004 | 23:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 403004 in skim "Skim doesn't work after installation, XIM_PROGRAM variable unset" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403004 | 23:28 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: uim-pref-qt4 for configuration, uim-toolbar-qt4 for the panel. It won't hide when using direct input, though. I reported it as a feature request to the uim bugzilla. | 23:30 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: どもありがとう <-- No Kanji since I'm too new to japanese :P | 23:31 |
| Zorael | :3 | 23:31 |
| Zorael | どういたしまして。 | 23:31 |
| Zorael | FWIW, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25695 | 23:32 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 25695 in libuim "Hide toolbar on direct input" [Enhancement,New] | 23:32 |
| Quintasan | douitashimashite? | 23:32 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: already patched I see | 23:33 |
| Zorael | "You're welcome" | 23:33 |
| Quintasan | I will build package with that patch if you want :P | 23:33 |
| Zorael | Ah, that'd be lovely actually | 23:34 |
| Quintasan | uim-qt is the package? | 23:34 |
| Zorael | yes, or so dpkg -S says | 23:35 |
| Zorael | I think the other bug he mentions is https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13910, which shoots it in the foot by resetting the panel upon focus change, even if you minimize it by doubleclicking the panel edge as he describes. (unless I'm misinterpreting) | 23:37 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 13910 in bridge: Qt "Unwanted IM reset on focus-out of Qt4 immodule" [Major,New] | 23:37 |
| Zorael | Konqueror IME input slowdown bug at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26265 | 23:42 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 26265 in libuim "Slowness using uim in QT applications" [Normal,New] | 23:42 |
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| Quintasan | huh | 23:46 |
| Quintasan | wtf | 23:46 |
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| Guest72088 | dude, freenode sucks ass...they have shit docs, they change my nick before i can auth | 23:47 |
| Quintasan | Zorael: uploading to ppa | 23:49 |
| Quintasan | should be quick and painless | 23:49 |
| Tm_T | one can auth when connecting, or auth no matter what nick in use | 23:49 |
| Quintasan | I wonder why guys maintaining the repo won't submit the patches to main repo | 23:49 |
| Quintasan | first "repo" should be PPA :P | 23:50 |
| Zorael | Quintasan: ppa:quintasan/ppa? | 23:52 |
| Quintasan | yeah, wait before I test it :P | 23:52 |
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